BIlly Corgan talks shit on PJ on Howard Stern show..

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  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 27,122
    I don't give a flying fat monkeys ass what Billy Corgan thinks.
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    edited December 2014
    One of my favorite songs and he can't sing it. He's aweful live.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qLNIFUt4UU

    After zero, he completely butchered David Bowies Fame.
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
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  • mookeywrench
    mookeywrench Posts: 6,091
    HollisBrown said:

    Billy Corgan is to Eddie what Lex Luthor is to Superman.

    This implies either one cares about the other.

    Billy Corgan's successes/failures have zero dependence on Eddie Vedder and Eddie Vedder's successes/failures have zero dependence on Billy Corgan.

    I don't get this whole thing where people have to take sides....too many Stevie Janowskis on the board.
  • BinFrog
    BinFrog MA Posts: 7,314
    paulonious said:

    that being said, I'd like a different producer. when you stick with one producer too long, it all just ends up kind of sounding the same. Albini would be crazy. But he probably wouldn't do it! Rubin would be good. Not Lanois, though. Too slick. But they won't ever change from BoB, I don't think. he seems to think he's IN the band, and they seem to consider him in kind.

    Butch Vig would be awesome.

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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
    Last-12-Exit said:

    The Juggler said:

    Wma31394 said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    Sorry Billy, the smashing pumpkins not only are NOT one of the 2 most influential bands from the 90's, you're barely in the top 10. Maybe #10.

    I'll repeat, he's a fucking douche bag

    Lol all you guys saying he's a douche bag.. I dont think what he said was that bad..mist actually true but yes billy does like to push buttons..pumpkins where definitely top 5 out of 90s..they had their own sound and it ripped.
    haha....people's feelings are so easily hurt around here.
    My feelings aren't at all hurt. Don't be silly. I 100% disagree with what he said. The smashing pumpkins certainly had an original sound. And some great cds. But they were far from influential. For him to proclaim the it was nirvana and him up there as the best of the 90's is borderline retarded.

    I stand by what I said earlier. Billy corgan while a great songwriter, has a horrific voice. He's horrible live. If pearl jam didn't write another new song, they could still sell out tours for the next 10-15 years. The smashing pumpkins can't and Billy know that. CD for CD, pearl jam is just better.

    And why now do some of you think that PJ hasn't evolved? Or changed and experimented? Do any of you remember Binaural and riot act? Avacado and BS were average at best. And LB is really good. Billy corgan hasn't wriiten a good CD since the turn of the century.
    i think it's funny how in some arguments pearl jam fans will claim the popularity or number of records sold doesn't matter (for example: when britney spears' album sold more in yield's debut week. many other examples of this). yet with this argument, they defend pj by pointing out how popular they are on the touring circuit and how they can still put out #1 albums and stuff.

    yeah i remember binaural and riot act. i also am aware that they came out 12 and 14 years ago. i don't think the band has evolved much at all in the decade and a half since. lb is a good album--but it's a pretty straight forward rock album. nothing too experimental or groundbreaking there for me. they're better than that and i am still holding out hope that they have another great album in them (all the b side leaks give me some hope).

    but i really don't care what billy corgan says. he's always been a whiner and a baby. this isn't surprising. i liked the pumpkins back in the day and i actually like some of the stuff he put out in the early 2000's (i liked zwan). he hasn't done a lot of good stuff since....but neither has most of the bands from the 90's.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
    edited December 2014
    the tiki bomb said:

    I'm not advocating a Pharrell or Timbaland produced LP, but, to me, the Brendan O Brien, Adam Kaspar, Pearl Jam production sounds like they're doing what they want without being challenged. Binaural is the only "diffferent" sounding record.

    If they collaborated with Rick Rubin or Daniel Lanois, or Steve Albini, they'd evolve, and I'd be stoked.

    There's nothing wrong with what they're doing now, but just think of the possibilities.

    agreed. it's funny to see people citing avocado and backspacer as evidence that they've evolved. they evolved awesomely in the mid to late 90's and to a certain extent the early 2000's with binaural and riot act. i was hoping that would continue....since then they've kind of just took the easy road ----that being said, i love everything they've done, except backspacer. i just think they're better than a lot of the stuff they've put out over the last decade or so.
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    edited December 2014
    Let me ask this fairly obvious question since I keep hearing people mentioning "pushing boundaries" and "experimenting"...

    What is wrong with making straight up badass rock & roll? You guys do realize that is dying fast right? And as soon as PJ made some weird shit you guys would be blasting them... frankly there are few if any bands that have the range of pearl jam, period...

    This is why I love gaslight anthem, they make straight up rock records and don't apologize for it...

    want to hear some weird shit, pick up a radiohead record... want to hear some badass rock & roll, pick up a pearl jam record

    "Experimentation", "pushing boundaries", and "expanding your sound" doesn't automatically make something good or "genius" like Billy boy would like to think...

    Eddie Vedder made a ukulele record for god's sake... who the fuck does that?

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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
    edited December 2014
    my2hands said:

    Let me ask this fairly obvious question since I keep hearing people mentioning "pushing boundaries" and "experimenting"...

    What is wrong with making straight up badass rock & roll? You guys do realize that is dying fast right? And as soon as PJ made some weird shit you guys would be blasting them... frankly there are few if any bands that have the range of pearl jam, period...

    why would people who want them to experiment a little blast them for putting out a more experimental record?

    do you consider backspacer a "badass rock & roll" record?
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    edited December 2014
    The Juggler said:

    my2hands said:

    Let me ask this fairly obvious question since I keep hearing people mentioning "pushing boundaries" and "experimenting"...

    What is wrong with making straight up badass rock & roll? You guys do realize that is dying fast right? And as soon as PJ made some weird shit you guys would be blasting them... frankly there are few if any bands that have the range of pearl jam, period...

    do you consider backspacer a "badass rock & roll" record?
    I consider backspacer a straight up rock & roll record... do I consider it "badass" as a whole, no, are some songs "badass", yes... just because it isn't their best record doesn't matter to me in this discussion...

    By the way, Backspacer is better than any album Billy Boy has put out in 15 years

    I ask you, what is wrong with a rock band making rock records? Assuming you like rock music of course



  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    I remember Chris Cornell tried to "experiment" and "push his sound"...

    and he still gets flamed for it... because that isn't Chris Cornell

    Be yourself and don't fake the funk
  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,815
    Vitalogy was sort of experimental and turned off fans. Most everyone hates or doesn't understand Hey Foxymop. No Code wasn't well received by fans the first time. Binaural and Riot Act weren't as well. Ed does ukulele album. Doesn't get respect. They do SBM on LB. Not their usual sound, people here complain.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
    edited December 2014
    my2hands said:

    The Juggler said:

    my2hands said:

    Let me ask this fairly obvious question since I keep hearing people mentioning "pushing boundaries" and "experimenting"...

    What is wrong with making straight up badass rock & roll? You guys do realize that is dying fast right? And as soon as PJ made some weird shit you guys would be blasting them... frankly there are few if any bands that have the range of pearl jam, period...

    do you consider backspacer a "badass rock & roll" record?
    I consider backspacer a straight up rock & roll record... do I consider it "badass" as a whole, no, are some songs "badass", yes... just because it isn't their best record doesn't matter to me in this discussion...

    By the way, Backspacer is better than any album Billy Boy has put out in 15 years

    I ask you, what is wrong with a rock band making rock records? Assuming you like rock music of course



    i consider backspacer a rock band's attempt at a pop/rock/mass appeal record that ultimately failed.

    there's nothing wrong with a rock band making rock records. just as there's nothing wrong with rock bands making creative rock records that are a bit more challenging. give me vitalogy, no code, and yield over anything they've done in the last 15 years. that was the definition of a rock band, at it's creative peak.

    and who cares if backspacer is better than anything billy corgan has done in 15 years? that's clearly not the point.
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  • The Juggler
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    my2hands said:

    I remember Chris Cornell tried to "experiment" and "push his sound"...

    and he still gets flamed for it... because that isn't Chris Cornell

    Be yourself and don't fake the funk

    why do you think he was "faking?" is it possible cornell wanted to experiment with a different sound? i personally didn't like it but i always respect any artist willing to take chances like that.
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  • PureandEasy
    PureandEasy Posts: 5,818
    Oh God, it's music, it either moves you or it doesn't, no need to dissect everything. If it makes you feel anything, it's all good. And stop giving a shit about who says what about who. They're people just like us. Yes, Ed included.

    Life's too short people. Listen to what you like, skip what you don't.
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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    Unreal how some feel it's not ok to make a good CD because it isn't experimental enough. Lightning bolt is a great album. Not just ok. It's great. But I guess since there's not a harpsichord or an accordian on it, it's not taking enough risks.

    Personally, I agree with my2hands. BS is Pearl Jams weakest albums and it's better than anything the smashing pumpkins or schmuck ladouche has written in 15 years.

    Again, it's cool with me that corgan thinks he's a god amongst God's. I just think he's wrong. No matter how you slice it, the smashing pumpkins were never as good as pearl jam in any way. Pearl jam wrote better songs and are a flat out better live band.

    The smashing pumpkins had 1 great CD in the 90's. The others range anywhere from good to above average because of a few hits. Every CD pearl jam released in the 90's ranged from great to iconic. Of course, this is just my opinion.
  • InBetweenIsMne
    InBetweenIsMne Posts: 430
    PureandEasy said:

    Oh God, it's music, it either moves you or it doesn't, no need to dissect everything. If it makes you feel anything, it's all good. And stop giving a shit about who says what about who. They're people just like us. Yes, Ed included.

    Life's too short people. Listen to what you like, skip what you don't.

    Well said, thank you!
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
    Last-12-Exit said:

    Unreal how some feel it's not ok to make a good CD because it isn't experimental enough. Lightning bolt is a great album. Not just ok. It's great. But I guess since there's not a harpsichord or an accordian on it, it's not taking enough risks.

    Personally, I agree with my2hands. BS is Pearl Jams weakest albums and it's better than anything the smashing pumpkins or schmuck ladouche has written in 15 years.

    Again, it's cool with me that corgan thinks he's a god amongst God's. I just think he's wrong. No matter how you slice it, the smashing pumpkins were never as good as pearl jam in any way. Pearl jam wrote better songs and are a flat out better live band.

    The smashing pumpkins had 1 great CD in the 90's. The others range anywhere from good to above average because of a few hits. Every CD pearl jam released in the 90's ranged from great to iconic. Of course, this is just my opinion.

    oh my god.
    an album doesn't have to be experimental to be good. a lot of people just feel pj's recent albums haven't been as strong and would like a little more experimentation like they used to have back in the day. i think they were at their creative peak in the mid to late 90's and, in my opinion, those were clearly their best albums. those were truly great albums.

    but music is subjective so if you want to go on record and call lighting bolt a "great" album---hey, that's on you, man.

    and you seem to have some deep rooted hatred for the pumpkins and corgan. i think your feelings really are hurt. haha
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  • RD101189
    RD101189 Posts: 454
    Just a competitive sore loser who's not happy the Smashing Pumpkins aren't relevant anymore. What's this like the 18th line up of the Smashing Pumpkins due to Billy's egomania? In the end he doesn't matter anymore and PJ still does and it pisses him off that he's played his career wrong.
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