Another death, police not indicted

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Following the announcement Wednesday that a Staten Island grand jury declined to indict the NYPD officer who placed Eric Garner in a fatal chokehold, Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) told CNN's Wolf Blitzer that Garner would not have died if he hadn't been so "obese."

"If he had not had asthma and a heart condition and was so obese, almost definitely he would not have died from this,” King said. "The police had no reason to know he was in serious condition."

The city's medical examiner ruled Garner's death a homicide and attributed it to the use of a chokehold by officer Daniel Pantaleo. Garner had repeatedly exclaimed "I can't breathe" during the arrest, as seen in the video recorded by bystanders. Nevertheless, King questioned whether Garner had pleaded for help, telling Blitzer, "The fact of the matter is, if you can’t breathe, you can’t talk." He added: "I have no doubt if he was a 350-pound white guy, he would have been treated the same."

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Officers say the choke hold wasn't a choke hold but a wrestle move to induce compliance.

That guy was in that choke hold for about 7 seconds. I'm not sure how much of those seconds resulted in him not being able to breathe. But if you are talking, you are breathing. I think from hearing that autopsy report, the worse part was after the choke hold, the 5 or 6 cops were all kneeling on him. That is worse than the choke. The pressure in his chest and lungs seemed to have triggered his asthma and COPD issue. The combination of the two were obviously deadly.

I am not defending the cops. I don't see any reason why they had to 1) put him in the choke hold to begin with and 2) all of those cops did not need to be kneeling on him while they were cuffing him.It's sensless.

rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

This one is just tragic.Id call this one a accidental death,a tragedy.I really didn't see excessive force.No guns,tazers,pepper spray.Just Cops trying to arrest a big dude who was not making it easy.This wasn't murder by a long shot.Horrible and tragic and unnecessary yes but I watch the video a few times and I don't see a bunch of gung-ho storm troopers.Just typical police work that had a bad accident.

What amount of force is necessary for a man selling loose cigarettes? To me it seems to be NONE. Typical police work, I agree, that's exactly the problem. Escalate what should be a citation and a goodbye into a show of force which carries the risk of tragedy for civilian and officer alike.

Not the act .The amount of force is relative to his size and non compliance and his perceived escalating hostile demeanor. It sucks and any death is horrible but they could not just sit back and do nothing.
I do agree it is not a good outcome and senseless waste of life.

I disagree, sit back and do nothing is exactly what they could have done. This man posed no threat, real or potential, to anybody and they could/should have written him a citation and a summons and went about their day or ignored him entirely. Instead, they chose a display of force so they could show him how tough they are. Meanwhile, how often does a cop or firefighter get a traffic citation? They can turn a blind eye to that but they have to be out there policing the looseys. Broken window policing is racially disparate, just like stop and frisk, and both are bad policy because they lead to unnecessary confrontations with the risk of violence or death.
Should every pot smoker be arrested?
Should we start arresting people for speeding and failure to stop at stop signs?
Should we arrest people for jaywalking? Where does it end?

This man was arrested, what 30 times? Over untaxed cigarettes.
Mitt Romney doesn't get arrested for millions in tax evasion. Billions in fraud and tax evasion in the financial collapse, nobody arrested.
But these cops couldn't sit back and do nothing? Bullshit!

Damit!! I got coffee and donut stains all over me again...That's the second shirt I ruined from laughing so hard at a post. This blinders on policing is starting to sound better and better and safer for everyone apparently... Interesting concept. Thanks for the tip.

rgambs said:

muskydan said:

rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

This one is just tragic.Id call this one a accidental death,a tragedy.I really didn't see excessive force.No guns,tazers,pepper spray.Just Cops trying to arrest a big dude who was not making it easy.This wasn't murder by a long shot.Horrible and tragic and unnecessary yes but I watch the video a few times and I don't see a bunch of gung-ho storm troopers.Just typical police work that had a bad accident.

What amount of force is necessary for a man selling loose cigarettes? To me it seems to be NONE. Typical police work, I agree, that's exactly the problem. Escalate what should be a citation and a goodbye into a show of force which carries the risk of tragedy for civilian and officer alike.

Not the act .The amount of force is relative to his size and non compliance and his perceived escalating hostile demeanor. It sucks and any death is horrible but they could not just sit back and do nothing.
I do agree it is not a good outcome and senseless waste of life.

I disagree, sit back and do nothing is exactly what they could have done. This man posed no threat, real or potential, to anybody and they could/should have written him a citation and a summons and went about their day or ignored him entirely. Instead, they chose a display of force so they could show him how tough they are. Meanwhile, how often does a cop or firefighter get a traffic citation? They can turn a blind eye to that but they have to be out there policing the looseys. Broken window policing is racially disparate, just like stop and frisk, and both are bad policy because they lead to unnecessary confrontations with the risk of violence or death.
Should every pot smoker be arrested?
Should we start arresting people for speeding and failure to stop at stop signs?
Should we arrest people for jaywalking? Where does it end?

This man was arrested, what 30 times? Over untaxed cigarettes.
Mitt Romney doesn't get arrested for millions in tax evasion. Billions in fraud and tax evasion in the financial collapse, nobody arrested.
But these cops couldn't sit back and do nothing? Bullshit!

Damit!! I got coffee and donut stains all over me again...That's the second shirt I ruined from laughing so hard at a post. This blinders on policing is starting to sound better and better and safer for everyone apparently... Interesting concept. Thanks for the tip.

Care to add to the discussion or are you just here to mock those with whom you disagree?
You are not setting the best example for police having maturity, discretion and articulate intelligence on these boards.

I did add to the discussion... Plus I am very fragile and my ego simply cannot handle the name calling. Thanks again for the tip. Today is now going to be a breeze of a day.

allegedly these are cops reaction about Garner decision on policeone.com
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"Somewhere along the line we became the bad guys."

"Watch your backs out there. Oh your fronts and sides too. Going to get nasty. Unless of course they let us do our job kick some thug ass."

" Every now and then we win one. Horrible situation, man lost his life, but like in the Ferguson case he controlled his own destiny."

" Stay safe, brothers. You're in for another set of riots." | ah yes the dangerous die-ins and arm locking all over the place. "riots"

"People are sick and tired of thugs. Certain people better wake the hell up and stop supporting the thugs."

" I don't see any wrongdoing, and certainly no criminal conduct on their part."

"The criminal weighed in above 300 lbs. and was combative. Case Closed!"

"Congratulations to the officers being cleared."

"Politics has changed our lives the media is turning our world upside down."

"You know what, who gives a fat rats ass how the cop grabbed Garner he resisted arrest and was asked many times to turn around and submit."

"the press minimizes what the criminal did, and vilifies the evil 'White NYC-officer' portraying him killing a harmless 'unarmed black man'"

"You know this kind of lawlessness wouldn't have lasted two days in the 80"s -90"s god,I miss those days."

" Looks like another week or so of chasing around these thugs, letting them have their way."

" It has become extremely difficult to be a good police officer these days. We have to work around race baiters, cop haters."

" Having watched this video, it's clearly another case of someone being non-compliant.."

"Maybe some day, the majority of the public will look up from the TV and wonder what the hell happened to the country." "Maybe they will actually want to see the laws that they passed enforced. Maybe they will want to feel safe in their communities."

" look at these things from the point of view of officer survival. Not surviving the fight, but surviving getting thrown under the bus."

"Instead of suing the police department, his (#EricGarner) family should sue Papa Johns, Dominos, Pizza Hut, Burger King, McDonalds, etc..."

"Just another criminal caught in the middle of committing a crime."

"What is being presented as racial problems between police & blacks is actually a black cultural problem of refusing authority of any type"

"1.Do NOT under any circumstance ARGUE with police out in the street. You cannot win an argument with police out in the field."
2. Do NOt raise your voice, but stay cool and calm. Do NOT make any quick or aggressive movements."
"3.Police know that hands kill, so always keep your hands in plain sight. Before you move your hands ask permission,"
"4.NEVER run from police even if you are innocent."
"5.DO NOT resist arrest – if you do one of three things is going to happen:"
"a.You are going to get beat down till you stop resisting b.You are going to get injured or 'accidentally' killed""c.And you are going to have charges taken out against you"

"Biblically, it's all there in black and white print..."Do what is right and obey the peace keepers!""

"To the criminals in protest,don't break the law and do what the authorities tell you to do."

"He killed himself by getting so worked up over refusing to follow simple and lawful commands."

"What choke hold? You mean the attempted "Carotid Restraint Hold" that lasted for several seconds on "Fatso" the walking heart attack?"

"We are trained to ARREST those that need arresting = AND use whatever force we see needed to avoid OURS getting killed"

"Now the NYPD will terminate Pantaleo and he'll have to fight to get his job back. Good luck, brother."

"Eric Gardner and Michael Brown are dead because of the poor choices they made when lawfully confronted by the police."