Another death, police not indicted

Gern Blansten

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/south-carolina-3-indictments-cops

interesting...

rgambs

Rgambs, you never fail me. Nothing like waking up 2 your thoughts. It appears I maybe growing on you just a teeny tiney bit....perhaps you would enjoy meeting up w/ speedy and I and for some drinks? I can tell you got some synicalness in Ya...Keep up the good fight .

I always start hostile and work my way back from there lol. I do admire your ability to take a hit and not get all bent out of shape, that's one of the best qualities an officer can have. I would meet anybody here for a drink, though 2 fingers of scotch is the extent of my drinking, just not a drinker and never a drunker. I used to enjoy the marijuanas before my wife got all preggered. Maybe someday I will again, and hopefully by then the law will be less hypocritical towards those who prefer a clean, dry buzz to a sloppy, wet one!

Last-12-Exit

Gern Blansten said:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/south-carolina-3-indictments-cops

interesting...

I literally live 10 miles from eutawville and I haven't heard this story. (Pronounced Utah-Ville)).

muskydan

rgambs said:

Rgambs, you never fail me. Nothing like waking up 2 your thoughts. It appears I maybe growing on you just a teeny tiney bit....perhaps you would enjoy meeting up w/ speedy and I and for some drinks? I can tell you got some synicalness in Ya...Keep up the good fight .

I always start hostile and work my way back from there lol. I do admire your ability to take a hit and not get all bent out of shape, that's one of the best qualities an officer can have. I would meet anybody here for a drink, though 2 fingers of scotch is the extent of my drinking, just not a drinker and never a drunker. I used to enjoy the marijuanas before my wife got all preggered. Maybe someday I will again, and hopefully by then the law will be less hypocritical towards those who prefer a clean, dry buzz to a sloppy, wet one!

Ahmen 2 that G....

JC29856

muskydan said:

rgambs said:

Rgambs, you never fail me. Nothing like waking up 2 your thoughts. It appears I maybe growing on you just a teeny tiney bit....perhaps you would enjoy meeting up w/ speedy and I and for some drinks? I can tell you got some synicalness in Ya...Keep up the good fight .

I always start hostile and work my way back from there lol. I do admire your ability to take a hit and not get all bent out of shape, that's one of the best qualities an officer can have. I would meet anybody here for a drink, though 2 fingers of scotch is the extent of my drinking, just not a drinker and never a drunker. I used to enjoy the marijuanas before my wife got all preggered. Maybe someday I will again, and hopefully by then the law will be less hypocritical towards those who prefer a clean, dry buzz to a sloppy, wet one!

Ahmen 2 that G....

Musky, i spent a few good times in chi town with a buddy who played for your beloved bears, good times.
For the record i love sloppy wet ones!

benjs

JC29856 said:

my 2 cents (da Bears suk!)

here is an analogy to someone working as post sales customer service rep... 100% percent of what they deal with are "problems" but its only 5% of the total sales. ask the customer service rep how good the product is and they will tell you it sucks, i spend my entire day dealing with problems. they are unlikely to tell you about the other 95% of sales that went smoothly.

Chicagos population is 2.7M, the muskys deal with 108,000 robbers and arsonists most of the time while the other 2.5M citizens go on their merry law abiding ways.

anyway carry on...

This is probably my favourite thing I've seen you write here. Analytical, accurate, fair, concise. Well put, JC.

josevolution

I'll say it this musky cat comes o

Gern Blansten said:

Musky said:

It was my pleasure sir. And you are absolutey right, I don't consider myself part of the urban community I am forced to work in.. I am one who respects having a job, being respectful to my woman by marrying her and not having 10 kids with 7 different lady friends, staying off crack and heroin, not selling my food stamps meant for my 10 kids for 50dy cents on the $ to buy booze and cigarettes, essentially living a pathetic existence all paid for by you and me. Now you might ask, why don't you get the hell out of there??? Well just like all civil servant jobs it's all about senority. In my town you need atleat 20 years on to bid to one of "those" kinds communities . I gots a few more years 2 go. Be safe and keep on rockin in the free world !!

Maybe an apology is due....did I assume that Musky was generalizing the actions of a few and applying that to an entire group? The entire group that he is paid to serve and protect?

I probably did assume that and offer my apology....too much coffee maybe.

But it really is kind of disturbing to read Musky's post. Or am I misinterpreting ""those" kinds of (sic) communities?"

No his view of the ghetto community's is disturbing to me he comes off a bit racist .....

benjs

By the way... muskydan, you have every right to feel the way you do, and I don't think it makes you a despicable person or a bad officer the way people here believe. We're all products of our experiences, and clearly you've had enough experiences that you feel justify your generalization on the full populace of Chicago (at least).

What bugs me is the arrogance and elitism combined with disrespect with which you speak where you equate the people to cockroaches that crawl all over you and require your time and effort to shake them off and squash them where possible. A police officer's role - to serve and protect - has implicit status relationships in it. Who do you serve? You serve your superior. Who do you protect? You protect someone who means more to you.

From my perspective, if you want to act like a police officer in the truest sense - your primary objective shouldn't be suppressing negative action, it should be enabling the people you serve to be the best versions of themselves. If I as a citizen witnessed authoritative figures who exclusively are present because they think I'm an animal, what am I going to start believing about myself?

Edited to correct grammar.

rr165892

Gern Blansten said:

rr165892 said:

Gern Blansten said:

rr165892 said:

Sorry Gern but paycheck,embrace and liberals should not be used in the same sentence unless of course we are talking about how to make them (pay checks)smaller.

You are delusional. Which party has been pushing "right to work" legislation?

Which party is pushing for an increase in the minimum wage? Wake up

Delusional Gern I don't think so.I get both sides here.I am an employer.One who has had full insurance and health benefits,401 k and other very generous perks for my employees way before the govt told me I needed to.Even the lowest paid employee I have makes more then double minimum wage.Again I didn't need to be prompted by govt.
Has everyone of my people brought home less on their checks under this admin then last yes! Have I paid way more in taxes you bet.Im stroking all those checks every week,I see first hand how much less my employees being home.
I don't care which party is ruling.It is just important that we pave the way for Sucess for all buisness owners and self employed folks.That way we can hire more people and the cycle continues.(sound familiar?)

oh...and by "under this administration" do you mean your leadership? What the hell does Obama have to do with your business. My revenues went up about 15% last year. Was that thanks to Obama? or me?

Answer: ME

http://www.vox.com/2014/12/5/7339051/november-unemployment-rate

Don't get me wrong Me is always the answer.Our revenue is way up as well.I personally have enjoyed the last 8 years financially all because of Our hard work and sweat equity.But in fairness without my offset,some of my employees would all be out of pocket more now then prior to 08.im sure every situation is different.
As I've stated in other threads,I am an Independent so To me I judge each administration on how it effects me/us.I just would like to see more common sense legislation to keep the road to buisness and financial success easier to obtain.

muskydan

benjs said:

By the way... muskydan, you have every right to feel the way you do, and I don't think it makes you a despicable person or a bad officer the way people here believe. We're all products of our experiences, and clearly you've had enough experiences that you feel justify your generalization on the full populace of Chicago (at least) has merit.

What bugs me is the arrogance and elitism combined with disrespect with which you speak where you equate the people to cockroaches that crawl all over you and require your time and effort to shake them off and squash them where possible. A police officer's role - to serve and protect - has implicit status relationships in it. Who do you serve? You serve your superior. Who do you protect? You protect someone who means more to you.

From my perspective, if you want to act like a police officer in the truest sense - your primary objective shouldn't be suppressing negative action, it should be enabling the people you serve to be the best versions of themselves. If I as a citizen witnessed authoritative figures who exclusively are present because they think I'm an animal, what am I going to start believing about myself?

Interesting perspective, I will keep that in mind.
However, if I hear "who do you protect, who do you serve" yelled in my ear for 6 straight hours I may just blow my own brains out. Note to self, earplugs for the next protest I work.

Cliffy6745

muskydan said:

benjs said:

By the way... muskydan, you have every right to feel the way you do, and I don't think it makes you a despicable person or a bad officer the way people here believe. We're all products of our experiences, and clearly you've had enough experiences that you feel justify your generalization on the full populace of Chicago (at least) has merit.

What bugs me is the arrogance and elitism combined with disrespect with which you speak where you equate the people to cockroaches that crawl all over you and require your time and effort to shake them off and squash them where possible. A police officer's role - to serve and protect - has implicit status relationships in it. Who do you serve? You serve your superior. Who do you protect? You protect someone who means more to you.

From my perspective, if you want to act like a police officer in the truest sense - your primary objective shouldn't be suppressing negative action, it should be enabling the people you serve to be the best versions of themselves. If I as a citizen witnessed authoritative figures who exclusively are present because they think I'm an animal, what am I going to start believing about myself?

Interesting perspective, I will keep that in mind.
However, if I hear "who do you protect, who do you serve" yelled in my ear for 6 straight hours I may just blow my own brains out. Note to self, earplugs for the next protest I work.

Perhaps you should give that question some thought, given your comments on the people in the community you are paid to serve.

And I think it just goes to show that if a seemingly decent cop refers to the people in the community he works as living a "pathetic existence" then is it any surprise that other not so decent police are so willing to kill these people so easily?

backseatLover12

muskydan said:

backseatLover12 said:

Hey Musky Dan, how about answering my questions?

I gots no time my man, I am running late getting my shit together for muzzle loader season. Perhaps when i get up there I will from the deer stand. But the phone is usually off...nothing like tuning off...

Make the time. You have no problem writing in response to everyone else.

backseatLover12

benjs said:

JC29856 said:

my 2 cents (da Bears suk!)

here is an analogy to someone working as post sales customer service rep... 100% percent of what they deal with are "problems" but its only 5% of the total sales. ask the customer service rep how good the product is and they will tell you it sucks, i spend my entire day dealing with problems. they are unlikely to tell you about the other 95% of sales that went smoothly.

Chicagos population is 2.7M, the muskys deal with 108,000 robbers and arsonists most of the time while the other 2.5M citizens go on their merry law abiding ways.

anyway carry on...

This is probably my favourite thing I've seen you write here. Analytical, accurate, fair, concise. Well put, JC.

Analytical? That's a purely negative thought process. To have 95% of your day be good but to voice the 5% that wasn't good is not analytical. It's cynical.

backseatLover12

benjs said:

By the way... muskydan, you have every right to feel the way you do, and I don't think it makes you a despicable person or a bad officer the way people here believe. We're all products of our experiences, and clearly you've had enough experiences that you feel justify your generalization on the full populace of Chicago (at least) has merit.

What bugs me is the arrogance and elitism combined with disrespect with which you speak where you equate the people to cockroaches that crawl all over you and require your time and effort to shake them off and squash them where possible. A police officer's role - to serve and protect - has implicit status relationships in it. Who do you serve? You serve your superior. Who do you protect? You protect someone who means more to you.

From my perspective, if you want to act like a police officer in the truest sense - your primary objective shouldn't be suppressing negative action, it should be enabling the people you serve to be the best versions of themselves. If I as a citizen witnessed authoritative figures who exclusively are present because they think I'm an animal, what am I going to start believing about myself?

Great post. However, to try to reason with someone who views those he protects and serves as a derogatory group, I highly doubt you will change his mind. We're that "liberal society" he doesn't like.

benjs

backseatLover12 said:

benjs said:

JC29856 said:

my 2 cents (da Bears suk!)

here is an analogy to someone working as post sales customer service rep... 100% percent of what they deal with are "problems" but its only 5% of the total sales. ask the customer service rep how good the product is and they will tell you it sucks, i spend my entire day dealing with problems. they are unlikely to tell you about the other 95% of sales that went smoothly.

Chicagos population is 2.7M, the muskys deal with 108,000 robbers and arsonists most of the time while the other 2.5M citizens go on their merry law abiding ways.

anyway carry on...

This is probably my favourite thing I've seen you write here. Analytical, accurate, fair, concise. Well put, JC.

Analytical? That's a purely negative thought process. To have 95% of your day be good but to voice the 5% that wasn't good is not analytical. It's cynical.

If you live in a bubble (like a police officer chasing criminals or a customer service agent dealing with customers who hate your product), you can only define the universe by what you know and see in your bubble - not what you don't.

JC was analyzing the thought process of someone like muskydan - not stating that it's the correct way to think. And yes, I believe his statement was highly analytical and most likely accurate. The cynicism come from the people who practice this train of thought - not those that recognize it in others.

muskydan

backseatLover12 said:

muskydan said:

backseatLover12 said:

Hey Musky Dan, how about answering my questions?

I gots no time my man, I am running late getting my shit together for muzzle loader season. Perhaps when i get up there I will from the deer stand. But the phone is usually off...nothing like tuning off...

Make the time. You have no problem writing in response to everyone else.

Chill out man, been in a deer blind the past 4 hours and I was going to reread your question and give you a honest responce later. At a bar now enjoying a delicious spotted Cow, so my brain now is focused on happy things. Why don't you have one too??

Thirty Bills Unpaid

backseatLover12 said:

benjs said:

JC29856 said:

my 2 cents (da Bears suk!)

here is an analogy to someone working as post sales customer service rep... 100% percent of what they deal with are "problems" but its only 5% of the total sales. ask the customer service rep how good the product is and they will tell you it sucks, i spend my entire day dealing with problems. they are unlikely to tell you about the other 95% of sales that went smoothly.

Chicagos population is 2.7M, the muskys deal with 108,000 robbers and arsonists most of the time while the other 2.5M citizens go on their merry law abiding ways.

anyway carry on...

This is probably my favourite thing I've seen you write here. Analytical, accurate, fair, concise. Well put, JC.

Analytical? That's a purely negative thought process. To have 95% of your day be good but to voice the 5% that wasn't good is not analytical. It's cynical.

You've completely misunderstood what he intended.

Last-12-Exit

I think body cameras will help. But as the daughter of Mr. Garner pointed out, and I'm paraphrasing: "my dad was killed on national tv and still no justice."

backseatLover12

benjs said:

backseatLover12 said:

benjs said:

JC29856 said:

my 2 cents (da Bears suk!)

here is an analogy to someone working as post sales customer service rep... 100% percent of what they deal with are "problems" but its only 5% of the total sales. ask the customer service rep how good the product is and they will tell you it sucks, i spend my entire day dealing with problems. they are unlikely to tell you about the other 95% of sales that went smoothly.

Chicagos population is 2.7M, the muskys deal with 108,000 robbers and arsonists most of the time while the other 2.5M citizens go on their merry law abiding ways.

anyway carry on...

This is probably my favourite thing I've seen you write here. Analytical, accurate, fair, concise. Well put, JC.

Analytical? That's a purely negative thought process. To have 95% of your day be good but to voice the 5% that wasn't good is not analytical. It's cynical.

If you live in a bubble (like a police officer chasing criminals or a customer service agent dealing with customers who hate your product), you can only define the universe by what you know and see in your bubble - not what you don't.

JC was analyzing the thought process of someone like muskydan - not stating that it's the correct way to think. And yes, I believe his statement was highly analytical and most likely accurate. The cynicism come from the people who practice this train of thought - not those that recognize it in others.

Ok, gotcha. I did misunderstand.

mickeyrat

rr165892 said:

Gern Blansten said:

rr165892 said:

Sorry Gern but paycheck,embrace and liberals should not be used in the same sentence unless of course we are talking about how to make them (pay checks)smaller.

You are delusional. Which party has been pushing "right to work" legislation?

Which party is pushing for an increase in the minimum wage? Wake up

Delusional Gern I don't think so.I get both sides here.I am an employer.One who has had full insurance and health benefits,401 k and other very generous perks for my employees way before the govt told me I needed to.Even the lowest paid employee I have makes more then double minimum wage.Again I didn't need to be prompted by govt.
Has everyone of my people brought home less on their checks under this admin then last yes! Have I paid way more in taxes you bet.Im stroking all those checks every week,I see first hand how much less my employees being home.
I don't care which party is ruling.It is just important that we pave the way for Sucess for all buisness owners and self employed folks.That way we can hire more people and the cycle continues.(sound familiar?)

would it be fair to say that in part this is because costs have gone up not directly related to government? Such as supplies, transport, etc?