Another death, police not indicted

backseatLover12

Because discussing it in the M. Brown thread is not fair.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30317807

Eric Garner: No charges in NY chokehold case

A grand jury has not charged a New York City police officer over the death of Eric Garner, who died after being placed in a chokehold by the officer.

The case sparked national attention after a video of Officer Daniel Pantaleo arresting Garner on 17 July became public.

Garner, 43, who had asthma, was heard on the video shouting "I can't breathe!"

He was being arrested for allegedly selling untaxed cigarettes.

Following the decision, family lawyer Jonathon Moore said he was "astonished based on the evidence of the video tape, and the medical examiner, that this grand jury at this time wouldn't indict for anything".

Garner's daughter, Erica, told the BBC the grand jury "are not even human, [and] there is no humanity".

More at link above.

Last-12-Exit

Why is putting someone in a choke hold illegal?

Btw, no reason for this guy to be dead. At all.

Last-12-Exit

So why aren't the friends and family of this guy rioting?

rgambs

Last-12-Exit said:

Why is putting someone in a choke hold illegal?

Btw, no reason for this guy to be dead. At all.

Not sure if it is exactly illegal, but it is against NYPD policy. Obese individuals and those with COPD are at risk for fatality from prolonged choking.

backseatLover12

There have been protests in NYC from the Ferguson outcome, I'm sure they will disrupt the tree lighting ceremony tonight.

backseatLover12

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/03/the-policies-behind-eric-garner-s-death.html

rgambs

Last-12-Exit said:

So why aren't the friends and family of this guy rioting?

Part of the reason, IMO, is that the NYPD is very accustomed to protests and haven't/won't respond with such a Draconian show of force as was seen in Ferguson when the original protests sprung up.
Another factor may be that the outside agitators can't afford to keep at it in a new city, but I don't know much about that.

Last-12-Exit

rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

So why aren't the friends and family of this guy rioting?

Part of the reason, IMO, is that the NYPD is very accustomed to protests and haven't/won't respond with such a Draconian show of force as was seen in Ferguson when the original protests sprung up.
Another factor may be that the outside agitators can't afford to keep at it in a new city, but I don't know much about that.

I really didn't see a problem with the way Ferguson brought the heavy artillery in. Regardless of what is being protested, the police still have to be in charge. The first batch of rioting in Ferguson proved that. I'd bet that if those protestors in NYC started to get violoent, you'd see the same sort of equipment used in Ferguson.

Last-12-Exit

rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Why is putting someone in a choke hold illegal?

Btw, no reason for this guy to be dead. At all.

Not sure if it is exactly illegal, but it is against NYPD policy. Obese individuals and those with COPD are at risk for fatality from prolonged choking.

It seems to be an effective way to gain control of the situation. As long as the guy let's the choke hold loose. I found it odd that it was against NYPD SOP.

backseatLover12

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/12/03/3599222/eric-garner-twitter-reactions/

rgambs

Last-12-Exit said:

rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Why is putting someone in a choke hold illegal?

Btw, no reason for this guy to be dead. At all.

Not sure if it is exactly illegal, but it is against NYPD policy. Obese individuals and those with COPD are at risk for fatality from prolonged choking.

It seems to be an effective way to gain control of the situation. As long as the guy let's the choke hold loose. I found it odd that it was against NYPD SOP.

This situation was far from needing control to be gained, which is why it's so tragic. Not that you were saying it was out of control, I'm just saying.
As a restraint in a situation loosing control it's not really super effectic, a standing rear-naked choke leaves you vulnerable to face scraping, eye-gouging, and anyone with a little grappling training would drop and turn their hips and send you flying. The main reason it is outside SOP is probably because of the significant risk for fatality.

brianlux

I read somewhere that in many places it requires more hours of training to become a cosmetologist than to become a cop. Thus these kinds of terrible incidents.
(But as I've said elsewhere, this doesn't mean I think all cops are bad.)

JC29856

http://www.policeone.com/Crowd-Control/articles/7921845-Lawyer-No-indictment-in-NYPD-in-custody-death/

Check the comments out

"It's a good day for cops....."

rgambs

Comments are typical. Lack of compassion much?
Clearly there is a consensus that resisting arrest is grounds for lethal force among law enforcement.

gimmesometruth27

how many grand juries does it take to change a lightbulb??

none- they can't agree that the bulb is broken..

our system is really, really, fucked up.

brianlux

Yeah, several of those comments at the end of the article JC29856 posted definitely lack compassion. I would say some are definitely racist as well. And judging by some of the writing, I'd say some of those comments also illustrate my point made elsewhere about lack of education (which should be part of proper training) being a problem. We need to raise the qualification bar on this occupation.

(But still keep in mind that there are some damn fine cops out there.)

rr165892

This one is just tragic.Id call this one a accidental death,a tragedy.I really didn't see excessive force.No guns,tazers,pepper spray.Just Cops trying to arrest a big dude who was not making it easy.This wasn't murder by a long shot.Horrible and tragic and unnecessary yes but I watch the video a few times and I don't see a bunch of gung-ho storm troopers.Just typical police work that had a bad accident.

gimmesometruth27

coroner ruled it a homicide.

Cliffy6745

Last-12-Exit said:

rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Why is putting someone in a choke hold illegal?

Btw, no reason for this guy to be dead. At all.

Not sure if it is exactly illegal, but it is against NYPD policy. Obese individuals and those with COPD are at risk for fatality from prolonged choking.

It seems to be an effective way to gain control of the situation. As long as the guy let's the choke hold loose. I found it odd that it was against NYPD SOP.

Did you see that type of equipment at occupy? The nypd does a lot of things terribly, but brining tanks to a hostile situation is something below them

rgambs

rr165892 said:

This one is just tragic.Id call this one a accidental death,a tragedy.I really didn't see excessive force.No guns,tazers,pepper spray.Just Cops trying to arrest a big dude who was not making it easy.This wasn't murder by a long shot.Horrible and tragic and unnecessary yes but I watch the video a few times and I don't see a bunch of gung-ho storm troopers.Just typical police work that had a bad accident.

What amount of force is necessary for a man selling loose cigarettes? To me it seems to be NONE. Typical police work, I agree, that's exactly the problem. Escalate what should be a citation and a goodbye into a show of force which carries the risk of tragedy for civilian and officer alike.

JC29856

http://m.truthdig.com/report/item/hands_up_dont_choke_20141203

Day after coroner ruled homicide police harassed guy video it