Michael Brown Shooting

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

JC29856 said:

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My answer your post is this (my questions aren't at you but questions in general)...I think that is exactly what people want, fairness and equality. I think people want evidence, facts and justice served. Do you think in this particular case, we have gotten it? Do you think facts, evidence and justice has been served and laws followed? The facts and evidence I rely on cannot be called rumor and cannot be spun, twisted by any news source blog or otherwise. Can a reasonable person applying simple logic to what little facts and evidence release make any sense to what the authorities have said and put forth? Are we to believe what the authorities have told us?
its indisputable that Wilson never filed an incident report which he is required to do by LAW? Have you seen the incident report that was released weeks later, after several sunshine law requests? It says nothing. Why wasn't a police report filed when an officer was involved in killing a person? Why not a video statement from Wilson describing exactly what went down to cause him to use lethal force immediately after the incident?
Can the distance between Browns body and Wilson's SUV be disputed twisted or spun? Why would the police report that the distance was 35 feet when its actually around 100 feet?
Ignoring the 6 eyewitnesses accounts, can real time audio and video of 2 construction workers not far from the scene be disputed twisted or spun? Why seconds after Wilson gunned down Brown would 2 construction workers say he stopped turned around and had his hands up while motioning with their hands up?
Its a fact that even before Browns body, which lay dead in the street for 4.5 hours (why did it lay there so long?) was removed, Wilson was consulting with police union reps and an attorney. Why? What did Wilson do wrong to need an attorney so quickly? If by law you are innocent until proven guilty (which didn't apply to Brown) and Wilson followed the laws then why did Wilson run and hide from the law that he is sworn to uphold?
You don't think this stinks to high heavens? What is taking the grand jury so long to decide whether or not to indict? What could they possibly be deliberating over? Is this the longest grand jury decision about a cop in US history? Remember this is an indictment, not a trial, this is the first step in the legal process to see if there was wrongdoing. There's a saying that a prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich, is the opposite true?
Why the state of emergency, is it even legal for a governor to declare a state of emergency over a grand jury decision (another first in US history)?
I can go on and on... so I ask where is this due process you mention? where was it for Brown? where is it for Wilson?

Your questions are fair... and Wilson clearly crossed the line. But you really seem to ignore the other side to this issue. Here's some questions you might not necessarily like given your propensity to tout Brown as an angel (or at least never acknowledge the fact that he was the root of this problem):

Why did Brown rob the convenience store? Why did Brown provoke a confrontation with the police? Was the struggle at some point in time a 'life and death' fight for Wilson? Why did Brown only relent after he lost the upper hand in this altercation? Would Brown have exercised restraint if he had succeeded in wrestling the firearm from Wilson? Would Brown's criminal behaviours have stopped if he had not crossed paths with Wilson?

If this was a young man riding home on his bike after shopping at the convenience store, stopped by police, and then shot dead... I'd be as outraged as you. However... this isn't exactly the case.

And are you suggesting, given all we know from the past regarding people's reactions to such decisions, that the state make no preparations at all? Do you actually think that would be wise?

brown did not provoke a confrontation with wilson. wilson drove up to him and told him to "get the fuck out of the street." wilson drove up to him with typical hardass cop posturing and provoked the whole thing.

In your other post, you seemed incredulous at why someone would be going for a cop's gun- stating that would not be the first thing you'd do if confronted by an officer of the law. I ask you... exactly what frame of mind was Brown in when, immediately following robbing a convenience store, he brazenly walked down the middle of the street?

To my way of thinking, if I had just robbed a convenience store... I would not be walking down the middle of the street. I would be slinking through alleyways and trying to get home with my loot. If I was walking down the middle of the street instead of slinking through alleyways freshly after committing a crime... I'm thinking that I'm the man and I'm ready for anything.

You say typical hardass cop posturing provoked the whole thing... I say typical badass criminal fuck everyone attitude provoked the whole thing.

people brazenly walk down the middle of the street here all the time. that is city life here. there are reports that wilson did not know about the robbery. i am saying he did not have to take the tone he took with brown. "get the fuck out of the street" is what started this. this attitude that brown was somehow below him. what it boils down to is brown was jaywalking, and instead of getting a ticket he got executed.

Say nothing of the fact he tried to wrestle a cop's gun away. This was a small detail you managed to leave out.

muskydan said:

JC29856 said:

Here are some facts about police lying about the robbery video...."overwhelming FOIA requests", yet the facts say there wasn't 1

http://m.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/did-ferguson-police-chief-mislead-public-about-robbery-video/article_f5ed9c93-8d40-5585-8f6d-a7767db8ae67.html?mobile_touch=true

Thank God he had the Balls to release that video. So are you saying people should not see with THEIR OWN EYES what kind of MAN Mike Brown was? You would rather hear from eye witnesses that all seem to have their own agenda than actual VIDEO of a thug doing what they do… I am so confused. I

hedonist said:

JC29856 said:

whispering hands said:

I admit my facts on Ferguson, and I'm not trying to be in civil. But it's ridiculous to say this kid was murdered. He was WARNED.

JC29856 said:

dignin said:

Please whispering, stick to the facts. We don't know if Brown went for Wilsons gun. That's Wilsons story, why do you take it as gospel?

Actually the going for the gun isn't from Wilson. The going for the gun is from leaks and/or from Josie"

I just know I've heard this account from more than one take in this.. And yeah, you'd be surprised how many people think they can do that. And who is Josie? As fir the leaks, a lot if that falls under the lies category, which pisses me off! If him going for the gun was in fact a fabrication then I stand corrected. But I highly doubt it. Yes, it is stupid, but most criminals DO stupid stuff! I can totally see this guy doing this given what he'd already done. Either way, he WAS supposedly warned to stop, or risk being shot. He declined.

If you don't know who Josie is then you probably should refrain from posting in this thread....and that goes for everybody! Lol

I had no idea who Josie was either. Why would I? Did a search just now, first time aware of this.

Please know (and maybe be considerate of the fact) that not everyone is following every single item out there on this - and yet still can contribute thoughts same as anyone.

Despite the "lol", couldn't tell if you were being condescending or genuinely kidding.