There is no god

chad the bible stuff is for the benefit of JWPearl, who got on my bad side when he/she seemed to be more concerned with the way we talk about the church than with the tens of thousands of children molested by priests. Your philosophy blows the pants off the bible.
you da man, here ya go!
Numbers 31: 17 Now therefore kill every male among the little children, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
31: 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

PSALMS 137:9 Happy shall they be, who take your little ones and dash them upon the rock.
1 Timothy 2: 12 I permit no woman to teach or have authority over man; she is to keep silent.
Mathew 13: 50 ...and throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
2 Thessalonians 1: 9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction...

kill every male among the little children just means "kill the boys, keep the girls"
32,000 girls were kept according to the count of moses...not that i trust the count, but the sheer audacity of claiming 32,000 child sex slaves in the name of god makes the bible a filthy imposition on mankind.

backseatLover12 said:

PJ_Soul said:

backseatLover12 said:

PJ_Soul said:

backseatLover12 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

backseatLover12 said:

Literally? You really think that literally, God entertains all in Heaven and monitors all on earth? What's your answer?

That's part of the message that's sold to young, influential minds.

The message changes as people get wiser?

No, since there are a whole heap of adults - otherwise intelligent ones - who sincerely believe such things until the day they die. And even believe that Bible is true, or that Jesus will come down and signal the apocalypse. It's fucking crazy. Never fails to amaze me, really.
BTW, the most prayed for thing in America is supposedly that a favorite sports team wins. Lol.

And those people have to right to believe whatever they want, as long is it comforts them, gives them hope, keeps them looking for a positive in their lives, whatever. It's not up to anyone else to say that their beliefs trump those of another. Because they don't.

I never said people don't have a right to believe anything they want. They do, just as much as I have a right to talk about how crazy it is.

But who are you to judge?

I'm me. Free to have my own opinions and judge what I like. People who believe in God say I'm wrong. I say they're wrong. No difference there at all.

Sigh. No one's wrong. Belief is extremely subjective and to each his own. Just believe what you want, but perhaps drop the judgment of others. They can - and will - believe what they want.

No one has all the answers. But the crap in Bible, Koran, and god love the Mormons is all bullshit.

Of course you do. All tou

JWPearl said:

callen said:

backseatLover12 said:

PJ_Soul said:

backseatLover12 said:

PJ_Soul said:

backseatLover12 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

backseatLover12 said:

Literally? You really think that literally, God entertains all in Heaven and monitors all on earth? What's your answer?

That's part of the message that's sold to young, influential minds.

The message changes as people get wiser?

No, since there are a whole heap of adults - otherwise intelligent ones - who sincerely believe such things until the day they die. And even believe that Bible is true, or that Jesus will come down and signal the apocalypse. It's fucking crazy. Never fails to amaze me, really.
BTW, the most prayed for thing in America is supposedly that a favorite sports team wins. Lol.

And those people have to right to believe whatever they want, as long is it comforts them, gives them hope, keeps them looking for a positive in their lives, whatever. It's not up to anyone else to say that their beliefs trump those of another. Because they don't.

I never said people don't have a right to believe anything they want. They do, just as much as I have a right to talk about how crazy it is.

But who are you to judge?

I'm me. Free to have my own opinions and judge what I like. People who believe in God say I'm wrong. I say they're wrong. No difference there at all.

Sigh. No one's wrong. Belief is extremely subjective and to each his own. Just believe what you want, but perhaps drop the judgment of others. They can - and will - believe what they want.

No one has all the answers. But the crap in Bible, Koran, and god love the Mormons is all bullshit.

I have to disagree with you...

Of course you do. Your fragile truth system relies on it . Must be tuff though to keep all the lies in order.

The other day we watched one of those old "sword and sandals" movies ( you know, the "cast of thousands" type) called "The Robe" with Richard Burton, Jean Simmons and Victor Mature. One of the things that I thought was cool about that film was the way they portrayed early Christians. In one scene the Roman, Marcellus Gallio, gives a poor boy a donkey. In a later scene Gallio sees another boy riding the donkey and discovers that the first boy had given the donkey to his friend. At first Gallio doesn't understand this kind of generosity. He begins to see that this is how these people live. There are a number of scenes like this in the film.

Over most of my adult life, I've given a lot of thought to religion and spiritual matters and I having done so, I can't imagine signing up with any religious group, especially any with a set doctrine based on something intangible- a tribe or community, yes, but not a religious group or tribe on something primarily dogmatic. But if Christianity were based primarily on loving, accepting, generosity toward others the way that group is portrayed in "The Robe", I would at least find that appealing. I don't know of any group that works like that to that degree- although the Pearl Jam fan club can be like that at times.

brianlux said:

I don't know of any group that works like that to that degree- although the Pearl Jam fan club can be like that at times.

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23scidoo said:

brianlux said:

23scidoo said:

brianlux said:

23scidoo said:

''God is everything and anything that can be imagined, but the one thing God is not is definable. Attempts by the anthropocentrists to define the unknown, to finite the infinite, have only led and continue to lead to ecological holocaust and the deaths of billions of lives.''

i agree brianlux,but is this not the destination of the human race?..reach the uknown?..touch the stars?..find our inside god?..ad astra per aspera..if you want to go above,you have to go below first..

Interesting thought, 23scidoo, but I'm not sure what our destination is other than that on our current path, our destination is extinction of our species and that many, many others that we are taking down with us. The point of Waton's (I said "Wilson earlier by mistake) quote is that most religion is based on anthropocentric thinking which leaves all other life pretty much out of the picture and other than perhaps some indigenous beliefs, particularly American Indian beliefs, ignores the divine nature of everything living and non-living.

Another good quote from Watson:

"The truth is not to be found in Christian icons, Judaic writings, Islamic rules, Buddhist meditations, dianetics or any of the theological inventions of humankind.

The truth cannot be found in political philosophies.

The truth can only be found by realizing that it cannot be found and that all is not knowable, that the infinite can never be comprehended by the finite. The purpose of life is life itself. The purpose of death is rebirth. The purpose of birth is death. The immortality of humanity as in all species is to be found in the Continuum."

This doesn't mean we can't reach for the stars or seek to better understand the unknown but if we do so with the belief that we are separate or better or above all else, or that we can define or find a god or belief we ourselves have invented we will only reach a dead end. If our perspective is that we are a part of a greater whole we might become part of that whole that is undefinable and divine.

i'm not follower of any religion and i don't know if there is a god or not..but most of all, i don't believe almost nobody who tells me he got the truth..the truth is something subjective i guess..if you ask a christian he tells you:yes man its true,i know..and yes.. its true for him..if you ask a buddhist,he tells you the same..and he can fly for his god or walk on the water..i'm more interesting for the questions but the answers..i agree again,we are parts of the big picture..if we start wonder about what the fuck is going on here and who the fuck we are..we gonna have two results..a better planet and better hymanity..eddie said..i'm a seed wondering why it grows..you sould visit a greek island..standing at the sunset above of the sea..behind you few white houses with blue windows..starting wonder..

I would LOVE to visit a Greek Island. Hell, I would love to BUY a Greek Island if I could, haha!

But I know what you mean. Today I stood at the base of 10,000 ft. (3048 meter) Round Top Mountain in the Sierra Nevada Mountain Range and watched these huge, massive, surreal clouds build and pour over the top of that mountain in a way that was truly awe inspiring. An act of nature like this alone is enough to leave me very satisfied with not needing a mythological god. Nature at it's finest is the closest thing to a god I could ever ask for. Not that God doesn't possibly exist but if God does exist, that is out of the range of my human perception and understanding and I'm ok with that. :-)

i don't know eddie..but i swear to all the greek gods, i'll try to figure out..thank you brian for your thoughts..i always love to have food for thought.. :-h

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx8r-TiLSVg

whispering hands said:

I do believe in God. I serve in my church and do my humanly best to uphold the standards outlined in the Bible. I may fail, sometimes miserably, but that isour nature as humans. I get ridicule a lot of the time, but that's ok. Someone's lack of faith or fear of mine dies not cause my faith to waiver. The best witness I can be as a Christian is to be an example, by living my life by the Bible. But as I said earlier, sometimes I get it wrong.. And I am learning of how deep accountability runs, so I am learning to be more faithful, not just because I think I should, but because everything I say or do effects slmeoneskmewhere. <<<< lmao.. Heck of a typo!! None the less.. I DO believe there is a God. And I believe he lives each and everyone if us very much. And before you say, but if there's aGod how can rape, incest, murder and pain exist?? Well because God gave man free will.. These things are the result of that.. Anyhow, gotta go to work! Havea great day everyone!</p>

What about the parts of the bible where God itself inflicts rape, murder, and pain?

catefrances said:

I do not believe mankind has free will. There are too many external factors to consider.

I don't catch your drift, care to explain? External factors like gravity and plate tectonics, chemical interactions and chaos theory, neural networks and impulses? Or like God the puppeteer with us as dancing marionettes?

rgambs said:

catefrances said:

I do not believe mankind has free will. There are too many external factors to consider.

I don't catch your drift, care to explain? External factors like gravity and plate tectonics, chemical interactions and chaos theory, neural networks and impulses? Or like God the puppeteer with us as dancing marionettes?

well lets first strike God pulling our strings off the list considering im an atheist. For starters i would consider the rules of law and those of society to be a couple of instances where free will is curtailed.