Petition: PUT AN END TO INFLATED PRICES AND SHADY BUSINESS PRACTICE (ITW vinyl, etc)

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  • JOEJOEJOE
    JOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,842
    sgossard3 wrote:
    im pretty sure if i were to print off my petition and give it to the baron it would end up in a bonfire... hes not a fan of printed words... or jews

    Well, we don't need him in our fan clubs......PJ and my people can do without him.
  • Kilgore_Trout
    Kilgore_Trout Posts: 7,334
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    Well, we don't need him in our fan clubs......PJ and my people can do without him.
    agreed! hes a no good flipper! i can count the jewish people in on my petition then yes? we can make it more of a list... a schindler's list ;)

    gotta stay on topic so my thread doesnt got shut down!
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  • fanch75
    fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    LeatherMandi wrote:
    Oh my god... i cant believe you are suggesting that we could actually make a difference! We are only humans in a world of capitalism.. we have no grounds to stand on... none what so ever....

    Good Lord. Are you seriously comparing buying keepsake vinyl records (that most people can't play) to the struggle of the human race in capitalism?
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  • Danimal
    Danimal Posts: 2,000
    LeatherMandi wrote:
    I used the slavery comparision to say, if your just quiet and let things stay the way they are , nothing will change


    Hey least im trying to stop something i dont like. Id like to know what you accomplish in a day ;)
    You guys are a bunch of flunky nazis...

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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Here's a solution... other than just showing restraint.
    ...
    How about... when there is a 'Limited Pressing'... the Fan Club Members get first shot. If there are only 2000 copies... and 2000 Fans order one each for 20 bucks... that's it... case closed. Have the Fan Member ordering period for one week. If you can't get your shit together in one week.. that's your problem. And when they are gone... they are gone.
    If there are any left over... they go to the Local Independent Record shops... who can sell them for whatever the market dictates.
    ...
    If all 2000 copies are sold to Fan club Members... and one shows up on EBay or Craigslist... the member (seller) forfeits his/her Club Membership. Trades are still possible... like if you want to trade your copy of vinyl for a certain poster... that's cool... and encouraged.
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  • Foxy Mop
    Foxy Mop Posts: 2,823
    Cosmo wrote:
    Here's a solution... other than just showing restraint.

    If all 2000 copies are sold to Fan club Members... and one shows up on EBay or Craigslist... the member (seller) forfeits his/her Club Membership. Trades are still possible... like if you want to trade your copy of vinyl for a certain poster... that's cool... and encouraged.

    If you have bought a poster recently from 10C, it says "not for resale" and we see how well that goes on eBay. I think people are far more diligent on reporting 10C ticket scalping and that's been pretty effective so far.
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  • Kel Varnsen
    Kel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    Cosmo wrote:
    Here's a solution... other than just showing restraint.
    ...
    How about... when there is a 'Limited Pressing'... the Fan Club Members get first shot. If there are only 2000 copies... and 2000 Fans order one each for 20 bucks... that's it... case closed. Have the Fan Member ordering period for one week. If you can't get your shit together in one week.. that's your problem. And when they are gone... they are gone.
    If there are any left over... they go to the Local Independent Record shops... who can sell them for whatever the market dictates.
    ...
    If all 2000 copies are sold to Fan club Members... and one shows up on EBay or Craigslist... the member (seller) forfeits his/her Club Membership. Trades are still possible... like if you want to trade your copy of vinyl for a certain poster... that's cool... and encouraged.

    That is a good start of an idea, but the problem comes when you have 2000 copies and 5000 fans. Which is why I would think my pre-order idea (where they take orders before anything is manufacturered) would be the best way to go. So far I have not seen anyone present any reasons why it wouldn't work.
  • Kilgore_Trout
    Kilgore_Trout Posts: 7,334
    Cosmo wrote:
    Here's a solution... other than just showing restraint.
    ...
    How about... when there is a 'Limited Pressing'... the Fan Club Members get first shot. If there are only 2000 copies... and 2000 Fans order one each for 20 bucks... that's it... case closed. Have the Fan Member ordering period for one week. If you can't get your shit together in one week.. that's your problem. And when they are gone... they are gone.
    If there are any left over... they go to the Local Independent Record shops... who can sell them for whatever the market dictates.
    ...
    If all 2000 copies are sold to Fan club Members... and one shows up on EBay or Craigslist... the member (seller) forfeits his/her Club Membership. Trades are still possible... like if you want to trade your copy of vinyl for a certain poster... that's cool... and encouraged.
    see... yes... that wouldve been a much better idea... i dont see why the record stores had copies at all... granted its just ed and the movie people probably wanted the soundtrack more widely distributed than just through 10C... but still... i think it wouldve made sense... or atleast make the 10C version different as we all originally thought it would be

    but thats just regarding the instance of the vinyl situation...

    and fanch of course this is a part of the overall capitalist struggle... how is it not?? certainly, it is just one simple piece to the puzzle that effect very few, but these things add up... its constantly creating a set of standards about what is and is not ok to do from a business stand point
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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    How about... when there is a 'Limited Pressing'... the Fan Club Members get first shot. If there are only 2000 copies... and 2000 Fans order one each for 20 bucks... that's it... case closed. Have the Fan Member ordering period for one week. If you can't get your shit together in one week.. that's your problem. And when they are gone... they are gone.
    If there are any left over... they go to the Local Independent Record shops... who can sell them for whatever the market dictates..
    Why should fan club members get first option on ALL the limited numbers (as you propose with the 2000 copies example). Unless the band or the 10C decide to press the vinyls themselves, these are made for and distributed by the record company. They have no obligation or loyalty to fan club members above the rest of the population that may want a PJ collectible/vinyl. Remember all, the band is a business.
  • Kilgore_Trout
    Kilgore_Trout Posts: 7,334
    Foxy Mop wrote:
    If you have bought a poster recently from 10C, it says "not for resale" and we see how well that goes on eBay. I think people are far more diligent on reporting 10C ticket scalping and that's been pretty effective so far.
    i think the problem laur, with the posters anyway, is thats theres no way to differentiate between the posters bought at shows (which i believe can freely be resold) and the 10C posters (which say not for resale)... not to mention its probably alot of work that 10C would rather not do to trace somebodys ebay user name back to their 10C account and then cancel their membership... plus with certain things like the 98 posters and such the inflation is a lil more understandable because of their age and how then do we establish if its ok to resell those and if so how much should people be allowed to charge... i mean theres no real answers to any of the questions that have been brought up here (atleast from a consumer POV)... the only solution is for 10C to change how it does things... which is a lofty thing to ask, but maybe in the best interest of its members
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  • fanch75
    fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    I think being in the 10c entitles one to the following when PJ comes to your neck of the woods!

    1) A 10 minute skate with Jeff!
    2) 10 minutes of listening to shitty bands with Matt!
    3) One smoke with Boom!
    4) 10 minutes of being awesome with Mike!
    5) 10 minutes of studdering with Ed!
    6) And last but not least.....your taxes done by Stone!

    What are you waiting for?!?!? Call now!!!!!
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  • Kilgore_Trout
    Kilgore_Trout Posts: 7,334
    fanch75 wrote:
    I think being in the 10c entitles one to the following when PJ comes to your neck of the woods!

    1) A 10 minute skate with Jeff!
    2) 10 minutes of listening to shitty bands with Matt!
    3) One smoke with Boom!
    4) 10 minutes of being awesome with Mike!
    5) 10 minutes of studdering with Ed!
    6) And last but not least.....your taxes done by Stone!

    What are you waiting for?!?!? Call now!!!!!
    i called and ordered option 4...

    seriously tho... that is completely off topic... im not asking for any preferential treatment at all from 10C... the point of my thread was to have us all show preferential treatment to one another... i know its a utopian idea but as fellow fans i didnt think it was too much to ask... obviously sarcasm and cynicism is easier to do
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  • aNiMaL
    aNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    bazzer wrote:
    So, who gets the limited copies of ITW vinyl (for example)? Who decides if not the market? Does no one get them?
    A fine question. In this scenario where there is no capitalism and all is equal and fair for everyone; who would get the limited release ITW-LP? In this little scene would everything be plentiful for everyone to have until the last person on earth claims they don't want it or already have it, and then, and not before then, can production of said item stop?
  • boxwine_in_hell
    boxwine_in_hell Posts: 1,263
    Let me just bottom line it for you all. Trying to compare the sale of human beings under a free market society to any inanimate object under a free market society is just plain retarded. Congratulations, you came up with the worst analogy ever.
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  • fanch75
    fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    boxwine_in_hell wrote:
    Let me just bottom line it for you all. Trying to compare the sale of human beings under a free market society to any inanimate object under a free market society is just plain retarded. Congratulations, you came up with the worst analogy ever.

    Man, I could hear the "bitch slap" from here!
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  • godpt3
    godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    you know, seeing all this whining makes me want to put both my ITW and benaroya vinyls on ebay just to spite people.
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  • aNiMaL
    aNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    LeatherMandi wrote:
    I think he actually has one...

    why is everyone missing the fucking point here though? You guys are slow today :P
    Sorry, but there is no real problem here. Nothing to solve or fix. Nothing to be done or waste time on. This isn't slavery for crying out loud, as was previously compared to. It's about a fucking record. One that was made in limited supply - NOT BY THE 10C. Would you and the thread starter have chosen that no one gets these and they all get unloaded on eBay - or they just sit in a box in a warehouse because there isn't enough to go around? Or should everything be mass produced for everyone in the world to have a copy - whether they want one or not, there better be enough made for everyone or none at all? This isn't grade school.
  • Kilgore_Trout
    Kilgore_Trout Posts: 7,334
    boxwine_in_hell wrote:
    Let me just bottom line it for you all. Trying to compare the sale of human beings under a free market society to any inanimate object under a free market society is just plain retarded. Congratulations, you came up with the worst analogy ever.
    and let me say this again... its not about INANIMATE OBJECTS! its about how we treat one another... there are fans looking to take advantage of other fans... and in turn there are now many many non fans looking to do the same... and we are essentially selling our own human selves if were willing to shill out all our morals to make a quick buck... the comparison is not slave to vinyl... its the common greed shown by the people who allow injustice to continue unchecked
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  • fanch75
    fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    godpt3 wrote:
    you know, seeing all this whining makes me want to put both my ITW and benaroya vinyls on ebay just to spite people.

    haha, yeah. and then donate the proceeds to the NRA just to cap it off.
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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    sgossard3 wrote:
    .. and we are essentially selling our own human selves if were willing to shill out all our morals to make a quick buck...

    Ummm... this is an lp we are talking about... let's get things back into perspective. We're not talking food for the hungry, medicines for those who desperately need it, etc. It's just an lp/poster/book... whatever limited editions we may get via the 10c.

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