Petition: PUT AN END TO INFLATED PRICES AND SHADY BUSINESS PRACTICE (ITW vinyl, etc)

SPEEDY MCCREADY

sgossard3 wrote:

thats the problem man... people arent seeing it in stores... its going straight to ebay cause greedy store owners are seeing how much they can make off of us... if nothing else, THAT issue needs to be addressed... im just saying our greed has become so publically visable that even non fans are jumpin on the inflation wagon now... that did not use to be the case... its a new thing... thats why im bringing all this up now...

and the fact that people here have given both you and i shit for getting a little pissed off about this situation just baffles me.....

Kilgore_Trout

Cosmo wrote:

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That's because people are willing to pay inflated prices. If there were no market for these items, they would sell at face value.
The Fans control the market by paying these inflated prices. Don't blame the record store owners... they are in it for the business. The buyer who forks over 150 bucks for a 20 dollar item also contributes to the situation.

yup! ive been saying it all along! im trying to raise awareness with this thread! dont buy it for that much! the fans are the problem and thats why this conversation is taking place on this fan forum...

sorry to those that are bothered by the persistant existance of this thread, but when i feel it has run its course and people truly understand my motivation for starting it in the first place, then ill let it go away... or kat can step in a close it up

chromiam

PJ fans are sheep and will pay whatever price for any piece of merchandise. The band and 10C know this and more importantly, the flippers and merchants know this. I guess with an older fanbase with more disposable income, this becomes the case.

Kilgore_Trout

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

and the fact that people here have given both you and i shit for getting a little pissed off about this situation just baffles me.....

you me and mandi are the last of a dying breed man... like the majestic bald eagles! (im really stretching for the shittiest analogies available now)

Kilgore_Trout

chromiam wrote:

PJ fans are sheep and will pay whatever price for any piece of merchandise. The band and 10C know this and more importantly, the flippers and merchants know this. I guess with an older fanbase with more disposable income, this becomes the case.

guess ill just have to start loving a new, young, hip band... anyone know how much the maroon 5 fan club costs?

JOEJOEJOE

sgossard3 wrote:

you me and mandi are the last of a dying breed man... like the majestic bald eagles! (im really stretching for the shittiest analogies available now)

I was thinking more like MLK and Mother Theresa (as long as one of you will dress in drag). Give yourselves some credit here!

SPEEDY MCCREADY

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

I was thinking more like MLK and Mother Theresa (as long as one of you will dress in drag). Give ourselves some credit here!

ill dress in drag....

it wouldnt be the first time either......

hehehehe..........

Kilgore_Trout

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

I was thinking more like MLK and Mother Theresa (as long as one of you will dress in drag). Give ourselves some credit here!

ok... speedy can be MLK... mandi will be mother theresa... and ill be john lennon cause i stand for something important! (and i havent gotten out of bed all day )

JOEJOEJOE

sgossard3 wrote:

ok... speedy can be MLK... mandi will be mother theresa... and ill be john lennon cause i stand for something important! (and i havent gotten out of bed all day )

Christ, you know it ain't easy!

SPEEDY MCCREADY

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

Christ, you know it ain't easy!

they're gonna crucify me!!!!!

JSBE

sgossard3 wrote:

first, i wasnt able to get a copy of the "holy grail" cause i was in class... i was lucky that a completely faceless friend from this message board whom ive talked to a few times over the years saw i missed out and she said she'd sell me her copy for face value... THAT is what i mean when im talking about treating eachother well around here... i know id do the same for anyone else here

second, a higher print # would certainly solve the problem... how often do you hear of people getting ripped off for VS. on vinyl?... if nothing else, 10C should stop getting people hyped up with all this "extremly limited" talk or at least announce how many copies are available so consumers can make an education evaluation of how much the vinyls worth

third, i dont think anyone wants to see 10C raise their prices... there has already been enough outrage about $120 hoodies and $200 posters books... the fact of the matter tho is that in both cases the inflation rate is not nearly as rampant, if it sells out at all... if thats what it takes then so be it... id rather see the 10C or the artist of the product actually see more profit than joe shmoe making a payment on his new boat

(A) congrats on on having a faceless friend who was nice enough to sell you a copy for face value and for being so nice to everyone by saying you would do the same for them.

(B) while a higher print number might drop the inflated ebay/street value (that is, only if the print number was really jacked up there enough to the point where it would no longer be considered a 'limited' printing), i still don't think it would solve everything. like i said in my post, there will always be more people wanting something that there is of that something people want. it would be nice to know the number of vinyls printed, but then what happens if it is less than the speculated 2,000? prices would go up again. what if it was 3,000? would prices dramatically drop? i personally doubt it.

(C) i'm not justifying the $120 hoodie (were they really that much, i didn't think they were), but it was a handcrafted, wearable collectable that was numbered and truely limited. the $200 version of the poster book (i thought it was less than that) was AUTOGRAPHED by all artists, which was the cause of higher price. anyone could have purchased the exact same version of the book, sans autographs for a fraction of the price. are you honestly saying that you would be perfectly ok with the 10c or distributor charging $200 for the into the wild vinyl?

Kilgore_Trout

JSBE wrote:

are you honestly saying that you would be perfectly ok with the 10c or distributor charging $200 for the into the wild vinyl?

oh obviously that was just a hypothetical worse case scenario... but if anyones gonna be marking up the price it might as well be them... they just wouldnt cause theyre above that... shouldnt we show the distributor respect by keeping what they sell at the same price they sold instead of the price they couldve sold for... and come to think of it... could you imagine the outrage we'd hear if 10C tried selling this album for $200?!? and yet, people are willing to pay some stranger that price! i dont get it...

aNiMaL

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

and the fact that people here have given both you and i shit for getting a little pissed off about this situation just baffles me.....

I am just not sure that there is really a problem here that the 10C has any control over - or us, the few PJ fans who frequent this board has any control over. Record store owners can do whatever they want with their merchandise. Most things are not released as limited items - so again, this really isn't that big of a deal.

And again, no one has answered the question of who then, in this perfectly fair - non-capitalism world, who would have gotten the limited edition ITW-LP's?

Kilgore_Trout

aNiMaL wrote:

I am just not sure that there is really a problem here that the 10C has any control over - or us, the few PJ fans who frequent this board has any control over. Record store owners can do whatever they want with their merchandise. Most things are not released as limited items - so again, this really isn't that big of a deal.

And again, no one has answered the question of who then, in this perfectly fair - non-capitalism world, who would have gotten he limited edition ITW-LP's?

well if were gonna dream up a perfectly idealistic world we would probably do away with the "limited edition" all together... theres no need to make anything "limited edition" other than to make it more valuable... the value should be in the physical art / music... i guess what im saying... and i dont mean to call out 10C, but i guess i shouldnt beat around the bush... doesnt 10C want these items to be valued for what they are instead of as a piece of stock?? make as many as necessary to appease the people that pay dues... i know thats gonna come off as an unfair sense of entitlement, and doesnt apply to ITW since that probably was out of 10C hands... but in general it would make sense to do away with "limited edition"

JSBE

sgossard3 wrote:

oh obviously that was just a hypothetical worse case scenario... but if anyones gonna be marking up the price it might as well be them... they just wouldnt cause theyre above that... shouldnt we show the distributor respect by keeping what they sell at the same price they sold instead of the price they couldve sold for... and come to think of it... could you imagine the outrage we'd hear if 10C tried selling this album for $200?!? and yet, people are willing to pay some stranger that price! i dont get it...

i know the $200 was a hypothetical price, but would people pay $50? $100? what would the 'reasonable' price? is there a such thing as a 'reasonable' price? i would have to think it is what each individual wanting to purchase a copy would consider the value to them would be...which ultimately means you can't try to tell people how to spend their own money.

JSBE

sgossard3 wrote:

well if were gonna dream up a perfectly idealistic world we would probably do away with the "limited edition" all together... theres no need to make anything "limited edition" other than to make it more valuable... the value should be in the physical art / music... i guess what im saying... and i dont mean to call out 10C, but i guess i shouldnt beat around the bush... doesnt 10C want these items to be valued for what they are instead of as a piece of stock?? make as many as necessary to appease the people that pay dues... i know thats gonna come off as an unfair sense of entitlement, and doesnt apply to ITW since that probably was out of 10C hands... but in general it would make sense to do away with "limited edition"

that's some dream world.

the 10c is simply the majority distributor for this item. i would think their sole responsiblity put it out for sale and distribute according to the purchase orders received.

Kilgore_Trout

JSBE wrote:

i know the $200 was a hypothetical price, but would people pay $50? $100? what would the 'reasonable' price? is there a such thing as a 'reasonable' price? i would have to think it is what each individual wanting to purchase a copy would consider the value to them would be...which ultimately means you can't try to tell people how to spend their own money.

i think if were talking about ITW specifically... the best way to have dealt with it wouldve been an exclusive box set type deal like radiohead's "in rainbows" late last year... there was a certain number of those, but since they were something $80 they lasted a fairly long time on their website, eventually selling out meaning people would pay that much... and there is now a regular version of the record available all over for like $15-$20... i havent seen too much inflation really going on there... i guess i cant speak for the exclusive box set tho as i havent really been keeping an eye on those prices

aNiMaL

sgossard3 wrote:

well if were gonna dream up a perfectly idealistic world we would probably do away with the "limited edition" all together... theres no need to make anything "limited edition" other than to make it more valuable... the value should be in the physical art / music... i guess what im saying... and i dont mean to call out 10C, but i guess i shouldnt beat around the bush... doesnt 10C want these items to be valued for what they are instead of as a piece of stock?? make as many as necessary to appease the people that pay dues... i know thats gonna come off as an unfair sense of entitlement, and doesnt apply to ITW since that probably was out of 10C hands... but in general it would make sense to do away with "limited edition"

So, then you admit that is not realistic and that there is no realistic solution to this, what you consider, a problem?

Listen, it is just a part of life. And as we were all taught at a very young age, life isn't always fair. There is no changing that. You can bitch, moan, discuss, until you're blue in the face and this world will still be very unfair.

While I see your side and understand what you think is wrong - I need you to see and understand that there is no solution and that is just how this society works.

JSBE

sgossard3 wrote:

i think if were talking about ITW specifically... the best way to have dealt with it wouldve been an exclusive box set type deal like radiohead's "in rainbows" late last year... there was a certain number of those, but since they were something $80 they lasted a fairly long time on their website, eventually selling out meaning people would pay that much... and there is now a regular version of the record available all over for like $15-$20... i havent seen too much inflation really going on there... i guess i cant speak for the exclusive box set tho as i havent really been keeping an eye on those prices

the in rainbows box set just seems more substantial than the into the wild vinyl. in rainbows came in a hardback slipcase with artwork and a lyric book as well as both the heavyweight vinyl and the album in cd with a bonus disc available no where else.

for 10c/distributor to charge $80 for just the into the wild vinyl, even with the bonus 7" seems a little steep in comparison.

we will obviously see as to what happens with the secondary market for the box set once it does sell out on the website, if it hasn't already.

JSBE

aNiMaL wrote:

So, then you admit that is not realistic and that there is no realistic solution to this, what you consider, a problem?

Listen, it is just a part of life. And as we were all taught at a very young age, life isn't always fair. There is no changing that. You can bitch, moan, discuss, until you're blue in the face and this world will still be very unfair.

While I see your side and understand what you think is wrong - I need you to see and understand that there is no solution and that is just how this society works.

i understand exactly what you mean, but dude, didn't you see you were not supposed to say that just how things are?