Prostitution..should it be legalized ?

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  • Annafalk
    Annafalk Sweden Posts: 4,004
    edited August 2014
    I think that this is an interesting discussion, thank you everyone :)
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Should also be safe and legal for those who want to buy it as well.

    Some take advantage, some just do what they (feel they) have to.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Prostitution has been around for ages and will always exist. I wonder what a poll in the U.S. or any other big country where it is illegal would tell us? I'm guessing such a poll would illustrate that the illegality is out of sync with the majority opinion. It certainly is here, LOL!
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    edited August 2014
    godfather,

    yet you have a problem with adults using marijuana. nicely done
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,837
    hedonist said:

    I imagine some if not many do it for the income, as do say...strippers. It'd break my heart if my 22-yr-old niece chose to sell herself/her body - that intimacy - for sex but it's HER body.

    Choice.

    Not to derail the thread, but in a way to me it's similar to abortion - again, choice. Taking away the legality won't do anything but make it unsafe.

    Nice derailment because they are nothing alike. ;)
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,681
    edited August 2014
    This is the topic that turns me into a conservative, feminist prude.
    I don't think it should be legal to have women's bodies for sale. I understand and appreciate the arguments for legalization, but I still just can't be okay with prostitution and what it truly means to women's position in society (yes, the fact that male prostitutes exist too is something I'm aware of). I think all efforts should go towards preventing people from being prostitutes, as much as that entails.

    I'm also aware of the whole problem with this vs the legalization of drugs, which i support... at least some drugs. The prohibition doesn't work argument. Totally get it. But this has a very important extra factor, which is the renting of - that is, the buying and selling - of people... 90% of whom are driven to it out of financial desperation or drug addiction, not by real choice. With all the great arguments for its legalization, including the safety of sex workers, I still just can't bring myself to think it's condoned by society or the government. We need to fight to end prostitution as anything close to a reasonable activity. Especially since the legalization of prostitution would seem like some kind of validation for illegal prostitution and really sinister shit like with the sex slavery racket, which, btw, is the 3rd biggest illegal market in the world, right after drugs and weapons..... doesn't that make it seems like attitudes about this stuff need some tweaking rather than validating the behaviour?

    Also, anyone who pays to use someone for sex pretty much makes me sick. So men are what? 99% of the market probably? How about society works at changing the attitudes of these men.

    But you all.who support it have completely understandable, reasonable points.
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  • Annafalk
    Annafalk Sweden Posts: 4,004
    edited August 2014
    PJ_Soul said:

    This is the topic that turns me into a conservative, feminist prude.
    I don't think it should be legal to have women's bodies for sale. I understand and appreciate the arguments for legalization, but I still just can't be okay with prostitution and what it truly means to women's position in society (yes, the fact that male prostitutes exist too is something I'm aware of). I think all efforts should go towards preventing people from being prostitutes, as much as that entails.

    I'm also aware of the whole problem with this vs the legalization of drugs, which i support... at least some drugs. The prohibition doesn't work argument. Totally get it. But this has a very important extra factor, which is the renting of - that is, the buying and selling - of people... 90% of whom are driven to it out of financial desperation or drug addiction, not by real choice. With all the great arguments for its legalization, including the safety of sex workers, I still just can't bring myself to think it's condoned by society or the government. We need to fight to end prostitution as anything close to a reasonable activity.

    Also, anyone who pays to use someone for sex pretty much makes me sick. So men are what? 99% of the market probably? How about society works at changing the attitudes of these men.

    But you all.who support it have completely understandable, reasonable points.

    This is right on what I wanted to say :)
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  • Leezestarr313
    Leezestarr313 Temple of the cat Posts: 14,444
    I think legalizing it the way it happened in Germany (and as I read Australia and the Netherlands) is not supposed to validate illegal prostitution in any way. It is supposed to make life easier for those who choose to be in that trade. Yes, there is sex slave trade going on, yes, there are prostitutes who sell their bodies because of addiction or other motives like that, yes, there are nasty, violent pimps. But there are also people who willingly work in the sex business.

    Prostitutes are a part of society. They have always been. I think the people who abuse the system now will do it after legalisation as well, they do not care. But the people who are being pushed into illegality right now will have an easier time and a better life. Which is good for them as well as for their customers.
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    just some thoughts; yep chadwick has a opinion >:)

    i bet that a pretty large percentage of the guys seeing a 'lady of the evening' do not have sexual intercourse, but get it taken care of others ways.

    when you go grocery shopping or to your public library or what have you, there are 'ladies of the evening' standing next to you in the yogurt section & they resemble a judge, doctor or sniper

    you can buy tobacco (which if you look up tobacco in a thesaurus it will say - Lady Nicotine) & alcohol all over the place & we know the story here

    in the united states, tv frowns on sex scenes but is good to go w/ murder & whatnot... so this means natural pleasure OUT & supporting killing is IN

    ODD as can be, yes/no?
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Leezestarr313 said:

    I think legalizing it the way it happened in Germany (and as I read Australia and the Netherlands) is not supposed to validate illegal prostitution in any way. It is supposed to make life easier for those who choose to be in that trade. Yes, there is sex slave trade going on, yes, there are prostitutes who sell their bodies because of addiction or other motives like that, yes, there are nasty, violent pimps. But there are also people who willingly work in the sex business.

    Prostitutes are a part of society. They have always been. I think the people who abuse the system now will do it after legalisation as well, they do not care. But the people who are being pushed into illegality right now will have an easier time and a better life. Which is good for them as well as for their customers.

    You're so damn reasonable, Leeze!

    chadwick, good points - and always appreciate your opinions.

    And...if prostitution isn't legal, then why is porn?
  • mickeyrat
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    Once again, an area related to a woman deciding what she can do with her body.
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  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    edited August 2014
    hedonist said:

    Leezestarr313 said:

    I think legalizing it the way it happened in Germany (and as I read Australia and the Netherlands) is not supposed to validate illegal prostitution in any way. It is supposed to make life easier for those who choose to be in that trade. Yes, there is sex slave trade going on, yes, there are prostitutes who sell their bodies because of addiction or other motives like that, yes, there are nasty, violent pimps. But there are also people who willingly work in the sex business.

    Prostitutes are a part of society. They have always been. I think the people who abuse the system now will do it after legalisation as well, they do not care. But the people who are being pushed into illegality right now will have an easier time and a better life. Which is good for them as well as for their customers.

    You're so damn reasonable, Leeze!

    chadwick, good points - and always appreciate your opinions.

    And...if prostitution isn't legal, then why is porn?
    Holy Shit Hedonist,I never put a similar connection to porn and prostitution.But your right.How come its ok to pay people to have sex with each other(s) and put it on film including every little kinky fetish,but two consenting adults can't pay one another for the same thing?

    So a legal loophole for a prostitute should be to get a buisness card that says Director/actor on it,and then tell the johns that your making a movie,and you need to be paid for acting in the upcoming sex scene.Set I phone to record,and whammy you got a legal situation right?
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    no... i would imagine you'd need a film making license & all the permits & whatnots
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,681
    edited August 2014
    Leezestarr313 said:

    I think legalizing it the way it happened in Germany (and as I read Australia and the Netherlands) is not supposed to validate illegal prostitution in any way. It is supposed to make life easier for those who choose to be in that trade. Yes, there is sex slave trade going on, yes, there are prostitutes who sell their bodies because of addiction or other motives like that, yes, there are nasty, violent pimps. But there are also people who willingly work in the sex business.

    Prostitutes are a part of society. They have always been. I think the people who abuse the system now will do it after legalisation as well, they do not care. But the people who are being pushed into illegality right now will have an easier time and a better life. Which is good for them as well as for their customers.

    I'm not saying that the point of legalization is to validate it, but legalizing it necessarily does validate it whether that is the intent or not.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,681
    chadwick said:

    just some thoughts; yep chadwick has a opinion >:)

    i bet that a pretty large percentage of the guys seeing a 'lady of the evening' do not have sexual intercourse, but get it taken care of others ways.

    when you go grocery shopping or to your public library or what have you, there are 'ladies of the evening' standing next to you in the yogurt section & they resemble a judge, doctor or sniper

    you can buy tobacco (which if you look up tobacco in a thesaurus it will say - Lady Nicotine) & alcohol all over the place & we know the story here

    in the united states, tv frowns on sex scenes but is good to go w/ murder & whatnot... so this means natural pleasure OUT & supporting killing is IN

    ODD as can be, yes/no?

    I don't consider alcohol or tobacco comparable to the buying and selling of human beings. I don't find a healthy and openminded perspective on sex in society relatable to prostitution. Quite the opposite.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Annafalk
    Annafalk Sweden Posts: 4,004
    Isn't prostitution very humiliating? I feel It's like a failure to society. :|
  • Annafalk
    Annafalk Sweden Posts: 4,004
    edited August 2014
    Anyone have any facts or scientific evidence on that a legalization would help the people involved? :-/
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  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    yes
    this way will be check on health,pay taxis etc...they provide service as any other job
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  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    PJ_Soul said:

    This is the topic that turns me into a conservative, feminist prude.
    I don't think it should be legal to have women's bodies for sale. I understand and appreciate the arguments for legalization, but I still just can't be okay with prostitution and what it truly means to women's position in society (yes, the fact that male prostitutes exist too is something I'm aware of). I think all efforts should go towards preventing people from being prostitutes, as much as that entails.

    not only women do sex for money..
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Yes. Let's make it safer for everyone involved.

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