Prostitution..should it be legalized ?

rgambs

i have never had a big problem with sin taxes, i only think they should add one to television watching! ;P

Godfather.

rr165892 said:

Wow,an issue everyone agrees on and makes sense.Thats the governmental kiss of death all over it.So you know the tightly whitey crowd(who hypocritically patronizes these same escort/call girl buisness women)government wonks.Will spout religious reasoning and hyperbole for why its immoral and filthy.
Clean it up,Tax the shit out of the customer(they will still come a calling)let free enterprise expand it and legitimize it,make it safe.
Just think how many jail cells will empty and how many rapes and murders will not happen.The vice cops can actually do some work that is meaningful like sex trade and slavery,child porn and exploitation,etc.Regulated brothels with security and contraception and 401 k.
This issue along with pot seem to be the most common sense changes and clean ups we could do to help violence rates,imprisoment and taxation while people benefit and no one gets hurt.

mikepegg44 said:

rr165892 said:

Wow,an issue everyone agrees on and makes sense.Thats the governmental kiss of death all over it.So you know the tightly whitey crowd(who hypocritically patronizes these same escort/call girl buisness women)government wonks.Will spout religious reasoning and hyperbole for why its immoral and filthy.
Clean it up,Tax the shit out of the customer(they will still come a calling)let free enterprise expand it and legitimize it,make it safe.
Just think how many jail cells will empty and how many rapes and murders will not happen.The vice cops can actually do some work that is meaningful like sex trade and slavery,child porn and exploitation,etc.Regulated brothels with security and contraception and 401 k.
This issue along with pot seem to be the most common sense changes and clean ups we could do to help violence rates,imprisoment and taxation while people benefit and no one gets hurt.

Don't mean to imply that you are the only one who wants this, but I am not sure why the gov't should benefit any more from this service than they do any other. It always bothers me a little bit when people believe things like prostitution and marijuana should be taxed heavily if they become legal. I used to sit on that side of the fence and have come to realize that they don't deserve to benefit from this or anything else they legalize more than other similar products simply because they legalized something there is demand for...Plus you said it yourself, the cost savings that could be realized should be enough of a motivator for the gov't to re-think the laws. Care to share why you think this should be taxed anymore than say the labor on an oil change?

Now if the gov't has to employ inspectors and licensing agencies I understand a small tax to help pay for those expenses, but it seems to me that existing health and business inspectors should be able to handle the added loads (no pun intended). There will be plenty of tax revenue simply from volume, no reason to treat these products any differently than other labor/service industries. The people doing the work should receive the vast majority of the money that is being paid out by the customer.

Agreed ! we pay more than we should in tax's as it is.


Godfather.

josevolution

Leezestarr313 said:

It is legal in Germany. They made a prostitution law in order to improve the situation of sex workers. The law helps them in regards to money claims and payment, "customer criticism" and social security (they can enter the social security system and get proper health care). There are regulations that they need to follow. They are not allowed to advertise themselves. There is an age rule and they are not allowed to do their job anywhere. There are neighbourhoods and areas where it is not allowed.
It is the oldest job in the world, it won't go away. So why not improve the legal situation of sex workers?

Your talking of AMERICA surely you know the law makers would rather hand out rifles in the street than have prostitution legalized , this country is 20 yrs back on all these issues ....

unsung

Yes, it should be.

hedonist

Leezestarr313 said:

It is legal in Germany. They made a prostitution law in order to improve the situation of sex workers. The law helps them in regards to money claims and payment, "customer criticism" and social security (they can enter the social security system and get proper health care). There are regulations that they need to follow. They are not allowed to advertise themselves. There is an age rule and they are not allowed to do their job anywhere. There are neighbourhoods and areas where it is not allowed.
It is the oldest job in the world, it won't go away. So why not improve the legal situation of sex workers?

It strikes me as strange, though...to legally be in business (for yourself, I assume?) yet have an age restriction.

(what if someone has an Oedipus complex )

And not be allowed to advertise?

I understand and support most regulations including that of location, but those two above just make no sense to me.

cincybearcat

This is an easy one... Yes. Absolutely

josevolution

cincybearcat said:

This is an easy one... Yes. Absolutely

Agreed , good to see you here ccbc

Leezestarr313

hedonist said:

Leezestarr313 said:

It is legal in Germany. They made a prostitution law in order to improve the situation of sex workers. The law helps them in regards to money claims and payment, "customer criticism" and social security (they can enter the social security system and get proper health care). There are regulations that they need to follow. They are not allowed to advertise themselves. There is an age rule and they are not allowed to do their job anywhere. There are neighbourhoods and areas where it is not allowed.
It is the oldest job in the world, it won't go away. So why not improve the legal situation of sex workers?

It strikes me as strange, though...to legally be in business (for yourself, I assume?) yet have an age restriction.

(what if someone has an Oedipus complex )

And not be allowed to advertise?

I understand and support most regulations including that of location, but those two above just make no sense to me.

The age thing simply means that you are not allowed to do it before you are of age, meaning 18 years old. The advertise thing means that you cannot have a sign out that says - "come here for sex for money" or something like that. It needs to be subtle. People usually know where to go. I think the main reason for this is that sex workers are given more social security. They pay taxes and have easier access to health care and stuff like that.

hedonist

Leezestarr313 said:

The age thing simply means that you are not allowed to do it before you are of age, meaning 18 years old. The advertise thing means that you cannot have a sign out that says - "come here for sex for money" or something like that. It needs to be subtle. People usually know where to go. I think the main reason for this is that sex workers are given more social security. They pay taxes and have easier access to health care and stuff like that.

Ah, thank you for clarifying. Makes sense...for some reason I inferred the opposite, like "when you hit 60, you're out!"

Annafalk

rgambs said:

Annafalk said:

No, it shouldn't.

care to elaborate??
Is it just that you dont like it or is there a legitimate reason you think it shouldnt be?

I think it's wrong, why should anyone have to sell their body. People living like this often has drug problems and needs money to finance this. I guess there are pimps that take most of the money unfairly as well.

And if someone gets HIV, or hepatitis it doesn't show right away in the blood test it can get spread before anyone knows about it.
I think we should live in a world with respect for one another.

jeffbr

Annafalk said:

rgambs said:

Annafalk said:

No, it shouldn't.

care to elaborate??
Is it just that you dont like it or is there a legitimate reason you think it shouldnt be?

I think it's wrong, why should anyone have to sell their body. People living like this often has drug problems and needs money to finance this. I guess there are pimps that take most of the money unfairly as well.

Have to sell their body? I don't think anyone here is talking about human trafficking being OK. Pimps are out of the equation for the most part with legalization, and the people who chose this route will be safer since it won't be underground. They'll have the same protections everyone else has. Lots of people sell their bodies for lots of reasons. MMA fighters, construction workers, NFL football players. Politicians sell their souls. There are many reasons women turn to prostitution that don't involve needing to fund drug habits. This simply makes it safer and healthier for them, and stops them from being labeled as criminals.

Annafalk said:

And if someone gets HIV, or hepatitis it doesn't show right away in the blood test it can get spread before anyone knows about it.
I think we should live in a world with respect for one another.

I fully agree with this and believes it has general applicability and nothing specifically to do with prostitution. Everyone who is engaging in any sort of sexual behavior should keep this in mind.

Godfather.

the money is big for a call girl and I think if were to be legalized it would be controled in a manner that would keep it much safer and cleaner,like requiering STD tests and helping to elimate some of the darker sides to that trade.

Godfather.

Annafalk

Is there really people who chooses to be prostitutes? Don't they often have some sort of problem that pushes them in to this? Shouldn't they get help instead?

fife

Annafalk said:

Is there really people who chooses to be prostitutes? Don't they often have some sort of problem that pushes them in to this? Shouldn't they get help instead?

i have many client who choose to be a sex trade worker. the money is good, they can choose their own hours.

but yes you are right that some may have other issues that drive them to the sex trade ie addiction being a main reason and yes they do need help but maybe not around their job but those other issues.

what type of help do you suggest they be given?

hedonist

I imagine some if not many do it for the income, as do say...strippers. It'd break my heart if my 22-yr-old niece chose to sell herself/her body - that intimacy - for sex but it's HER body.

Choice.

Not to derail the thread, but in a way to me it's similar to abortion - again, choice. Taking away the legality won't do anything but make it unsafe.

Annafalk

fife said:

Annafalk said:

Is there really people who chooses to be prostitutes? Don't they often have some sort of problem that pushes them in to this? Shouldn't they get help instead?

i have many client who choose to be a sex trade worker. the money is good, they can choose their own hours.

but yes you are right that some may have other issues that drive them to the sex trade ie addiction being a main reason and yes they do need help but maybe not around their job but those other issues.

what type of help do you suggest they be given?

I guess this mostly is about money as usual...I just think it's depressing that people would choose it. How does this affect them in their soul so to say?

callen

Annafalk said:

Is there really people who chooses to be prostitutes? Don't they often have some sort of problem that pushes them in to this? Shouldn't they get help instead?

Agree. The only thing is they are going to do it anyway. Downside more women AND men may gravitate to this type of income and there will be young humans forced into the profession. In end think well regulated and with support and checks it would be safer legalized.

Annafalk

callen said:

Annafalk said:

Is there really people who chooses to be prostitutes? Don't they often have some sort of problem that pushes them in to this? Shouldn't they get help instead?

Agree. The only thing is they are going to do it anyway. Downside more women AND men may gravitate to this type of income and there will be young humans forced into the profession. In end think well regulated and with support and checks it would be safer legalized.

Maybe you are right, maybe it's unstoppable. Prostitution has been around for a long time historically...but if it would be legalized then it's like saying that it's ok..

fife

Annafalk said:

fife said:

Annafalk said:

Is there really people who chooses to be prostitutes? Don't they often have some sort of problem that pushes them in to this? Shouldn't they get help instead?

i have many client who choose to be a sex trade worker. the money is good, they can choose their own hours.

but yes you are right that some may have other issues that drive them to the sex trade ie addiction being a main reason and yes they do need help but maybe not around their job but those other issues.

what type of help do you suggest they be given?

I guess this mostly is about money as usual...I just think it's depressing that people would choose it. How does this affect them in their soul so to say?

of course its about money. we live in a world that values money and people need to have money to survive.

for me making sex trade legal is more about safety and not really about money. way to often to have clients come to me after being beaten up by johns on the streets actually more in allyways.

lets make it safe as possible for people. as for their souls, i can't really speak to that.

rr165892

Annafalk said:

callen said:

Annafalk said:

Is there really people who chooses to be prostitutes? Don't they often have some sort of problem that pushes them in to this? Shouldn't they get help instead?

Agree. The only thing is they are going to do it anyway. Downside more women AND men may gravitate to this type of income and there will be young humans forced into the profession. In end think well regulated and with support and checks it would be safer legalized.

Maybe you are right, maybe it's unstoppable. Prostitution has been around for a long time historically...but if it would be legalized then it's like saying that it's ok...could there be a better way ?

Why?What better way? There is always the need and this is ,if done right a victimless issue.Trying to say its not ok due to some unseen code of morality could also be applied to professions such as defense attorneys,lobbyists,dancers,etc,etc also.
If a woman sees a way to a better life and can earn a lot of money doing it go for it,if its her thing.She has a service that is always in demand and highly coveted.Shit,go to any nightclub and everyone is looking for the same,she is just skipping the small talk and getting right to buisness and making bank.