care to elaborate?? Is it just that you dont like it or is there a legitimate reason you think it shouldnt be?
I think it's wrong, why should anyone have to sell their body. People living like this often has drug problems and needs money to finance this. I guess there are pimps that take most of the money unfairly as well.
Have to sell their body? I don't think anyone here is talking about human trafficking being OK. Pimps are out of the equation for the most part with legalization, and the people who chose this route will be safer since it won't be underground. They'll have the same protections everyone else has. Lots of people sell their bodies for lots of reasons. MMA fighters, construction workers, NFL football players. Politicians sell their souls. There are many reasons women turn to prostitution that don't involve needing to fund drug habits. This simply makes it safer and healthier for them, and stops them from being labeled as criminals.
And if someone gets HIV, or hepatitis it doesn't show right away in the blood test it can get spread before anyone knows about it. I think we should live in a world with respect for one another.
I fully agree with this and believes it has general applicability and nothing specifically to do with prostitution. Everyone who is engaging in any sort of sexual behavior should keep this in mind.
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the money is big for a call girl and I think if were to be legalized it would be controled in a manner that would keep it much safer and cleaner,like requiering STD tests and helping to elimate some of the darker sides to that trade.
Is there really people who chooses to be prostitutes? Don't they often have some sort of problem that pushes them in to this? Shouldn't they get help instead?
Is there really people who chooses to be prostitutes? Don't they often have some sort of problem that pushes them in to this? Shouldn't they get help instead?
i have many client who choose to be a sex trade worker. the money is good, they can choose their own hours.
but yes you are right that some may have other issues that drive them to the sex trade ie addiction being a main reason and yes they do need help but maybe not around their job but those other issues.
I imagine some if not many do it for the income, as do say...strippers. It'd break my heart if my 22-yr-old niece chose to sell herself/her body - that intimacy - for sex but it's HER body.
Choice.
Not to derail the thread, but in a way to me it's similar to abortion - again, choice. Taking away the legality won't do anything but make it unsafe.
Is there really people who chooses to be prostitutes? Don't they often have some sort of problem that pushes them in to this? Shouldn't they get help instead?
i have many client who choose to be a sex trade worker. the money is good, they can choose their own hours.
but yes you are right that some may have other issues that drive them to the sex trade ie addiction being a main reason and yes they do need help but maybe not around their job but those other issues.
what type of help do you suggest they be given?
I guess this mostly is about money as usual...I just think it's depressing that people would choose it. How does this affect them in their soul so to say?
Is there really people who chooses to be prostitutes? Don't they often have some sort of problem that pushes them in to this? Shouldn't they get help instead?
Agree. The only thing is they are going to do it anyway. Downside more women AND men may gravitate to this type of income and there will be young humans forced into the profession. In end think well regulated and with support and checks it would be safer legalized.
Is there really people who chooses to be prostitutes? Don't they often have some sort of problem that pushes them in to this? Shouldn't they get help instead?
Agree. The only thing is they are going to do it anyway. Downside more women AND men may gravitate to this type of income and there will be young humans forced into the profession. In end think well regulated and with support and checks it would be safer legalized.
Maybe you are right, maybe it's unstoppable. Prostitution has been around for a long time historically...but if it would be legalized then it's like saying that it's ok..
Is there really people who chooses to be prostitutes? Don't they often have some sort of problem that pushes them in to this? Shouldn't they get help instead?
i have many client who choose to be a sex trade worker. the money is good, they can choose their own hours.
but yes you are right that some may have other issues that drive them to the sex trade ie addiction being a main reason and yes they do need help but maybe not around their job but those other issues.
what type of help do you suggest they be given?
I guess this mostly is about money as usual...I just think it's depressing that people would choose it. How does this affect them in their soul so to say?
of course its about money. we live in a world that values money and people need to have money to survive.
for me making sex trade legal is more about safety and not really about money. way to often to have clients come to me after being beaten up by johns on the streets actually more in allyways.
lets make it safe as possible for people. as for their souls, i can't really speak to that.
Is there really people who chooses to be prostitutes? Don't they often have some sort of problem that pushes them in to this? Shouldn't they get help instead?
Agree. The only thing is they are going to do it anyway. Downside more women AND men may gravitate to this type of income and there will be young humans forced into the profession. In end think well regulated and with support and checks it would be safer legalized.
Maybe you are right, maybe it's unstoppable. Prostitution has been around for a long time historically...but if it would be legalized then it's like saying that it's ok...could there be a better way ?
Why?What better way? There is always the need and this is ,if done right a victimless issue.Trying to say its not ok due to some unseen code of morality could also be applied to professions such as defense attorneys,lobbyists,dancers,etc,etc also. If a woman sees a way to a better life and can earn a lot of money doing it go for it,if its her thing.She has a service that is always in demand and highly coveted.Shit,go to any nightclub and everyone is looking for the same,she is just skipping the small talk and getting right to buisness and making bank.
Prostitution has been around for ages and will always exist. I wonder what a poll in the U.S. or any other big country where it is illegal would tell us? I'm guessing such a poll would illustrate that the illegality is out of sync with the majority opinion. It certainly is here, LOL!
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I imagine some if not many do it for the income, as do say...strippers. It'd break my heart if my 22-yr-old niece chose to sell herself/her body - that intimacy - for sex but it's HER body.
Choice.
Not to derail the thread, but in a way to me it's similar to abortion - again, choice. Taking away the legality won't do anything but make it unsafe.
This is the topic that turns me into a conservative, feminist prude. I don't think it should be legal to have women's bodies for sale. I understand and appreciate the arguments for legalization, but I still just can't be okay with prostitution and what it truly means to women's position in society (yes, the fact that male prostitutes exist too is something I'm aware of). I think all efforts should go towards preventing people from being prostitutes, as much as that entails.
I'm also aware of the whole problem with this vs the legalization of drugs, which i support... at least some drugs. The prohibition doesn't work argument. Totally get it. But this has a very important extra factor, which is the renting of - that is, the buying and selling - of people... 90% of whom are driven to it out of financial desperation or drug addiction, not by real choice. With all the great arguments for its legalization, including the safety of sex workers, I still just can't bring myself to think it's condoned by society or the government. We need to fight to end prostitution as anything close to a reasonable activity. Especially since the legalization of prostitution would seem like some kind of validation for illegal prostitution and really sinister shit like with the sex slavery racket, which, btw, is the 3rd biggest illegal market in the world, right after drugs and weapons..... doesn't that make it seems like attitudes about this stuff need some tweaking rather than validating the behaviour?
Also, anyone who pays to use someone for sex pretty much makes me sick. So men are what? 99% of the market probably? How about society works at changing the attitudes of these men.
But you all.who support it have completely understandable, reasonable points.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
This is the topic that turns me into a conservative, feminist prude. I don't think it should be legal to have women's bodies for sale. I understand and appreciate the arguments for legalization, but I still just can't be okay with prostitution and what it truly means to women's position in society (yes, the fact that male prostitutes exist too is something I'm aware of). I think all efforts should go towards preventing people from being prostitutes, as much as that entails.
I'm also aware of the whole problem with this vs the legalization of drugs, which i support... at least some drugs. The prohibition doesn't work argument. Totally get it. But this has a very important extra factor, which is the renting of - that is, the buying and selling - of people... 90% of whom are driven to it out of financial desperation or drug addiction, not by real choice. With all the great arguments for its legalization, including the safety of sex workers, I still just can't bring myself to think it's condoned by society or the government. We need to fight to end prostitution as anything close to a reasonable activity.
Also, anyone who pays to use someone for sex pretty much makes me sick. So men are what? 99% of the market probably? How about society works at changing the attitudes of these men.
But you all.who support it have completely understandable, reasonable points.
I think legalizing it the way it happened in Germany (and as I read Australia and the Netherlands) is not supposed to validate illegal prostitution in any way. It is supposed to make life easier for those who choose to be in that trade. Yes, there is sex slave trade going on, yes, there are prostitutes who sell their bodies because of addiction or other motives like that, yes, there are nasty, violent pimps. But there are also people who willingly work in the sex business.
Prostitutes are a part of society. They have always been. I think the people who abuse the system now will do it after legalisation as well, they do not care. But the people who are being pushed into illegality right now will have an easier time and a better life. Which is good for them as well as for their customers.
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just some thoughts; yep chadwick has a opinion >:)
i bet that a pretty large percentage of the guys seeing a 'lady of the evening' do not have sexual intercourse, but get it taken care of others ways.
when you go grocery shopping or to your public library or what have you, there are 'ladies of the evening' standing next to you in the yogurt section & they resemble a judge, doctor or sniper
you can buy tobacco (which if you look up tobacco in a thesaurus it will say - Lady Nicotine) & alcohol all over the place & we know the story here
in the united states, tv frowns on sex scenes but is good to go w/ murder & whatnot... so this means natural pleasure OUT & supporting killing is IN
I think legalizing it the way it happened in Germany (and as I read Australia and the Netherlands) is not supposed to validate illegal prostitution in any way. It is supposed to make life easier for those who choose to be in that trade. Yes, there is sex slave trade going on, yes, there are prostitutes who sell their bodies because of addiction or other motives like that, yes, there are nasty, violent pimps. But there are also people who willingly work in the sex business.
Prostitutes are a part of society. They have always been. I think the people who abuse the system now will do it after legalisation as well, they do not care. But the people who are being pushed into illegality right now will have an easier time and a better life. Which is good for them as well as for their customers.
You're so damn reasonable, Leeze!
chadwick, good points - and always appreciate your opinions.
And...if prostitution isn't legal, then why is porn?
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I think legalizing it the way it happened in Germany (and as I read Australia and the Netherlands) is not supposed to validate illegal prostitution in any way. It is supposed to make life easier for those who choose to be in that trade. Yes, there is sex slave trade going on, yes, there are prostitutes who sell their bodies because of addiction or other motives like that, yes, there are nasty, violent pimps. But there are also people who willingly work in the sex business.
Prostitutes are a part of society. They have always been. I think the people who abuse the system now will do it after legalisation as well, they do not care. But the people who are being pushed into illegality right now will have an easier time and a better life. Which is good for them as well as for their customers.
You're so damn reasonable, Leeze!
chadwick, good points - and always appreciate your opinions.
And...if prostitution isn't legal, then why is porn?
Holy Shit Hedonist,I never put a similar connection to porn and prostitution.But your right.How come its ok to pay people to have sex with each other(s) and put it on film including every little kinky fetish,but two consenting adults can't pay one another for the same thing?
So a legal loophole for a prostitute should be to get a buisness card that says Director/actor on it,and then tell the johns that your making a movie,and you need to be paid for acting in the upcoming sex scene.Set I phone to record,and whammy you got a legal situation right?
I think legalizing it the way it happened in Germany (and as I read Australia and the Netherlands) is not supposed to validate illegal prostitution in any way. It is supposed to make life easier for those who choose to be in that trade. Yes, there is sex slave trade going on, yes, there are prostitutes who sell their bodies because of addiction or other motives like that, yes, there are nasty, violent pimps. But there are also people who willingly work in the sex business.
Prostitutes are a part of society. They have always been. I think the people who abuse the system now will do it after legalisation as well, they do not care. But the people who are being pushed into illegality right now will have an easier time and a better life. Which is good for them as well as for their customers.
I'm not saying that the point of legalization is to validate it, but legalizing it necessarily does validate it whether that is the intent or not.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
just some thoughts; yep chadwick has a opinion >:)
i bet that a pretty large percentage of the guys seeing a 'lady of the evening' do not have sexual intercourse, but get it taken care of others ways.
when you go grocery shopping or to your public library or what have you, there are 'ladies of the evening' standing next to you in the yogurt section & they resemble a judge, doctor or sniper
you can buy tobacco (which if you look up tobacco in a thesaurus it will say - Lady Nicotine) & alcohol all over the place & we know the story here
in the united states, tv frowns on sex scenes but is good to go w/ murder & whatnot... so this means natural pleasure OUT & supporting killing is IN
ODD as can be, yes/no?
I don't consider alcohol or tobacco comparable to the buying and selling of human beings. I don't find a healthy and openminded perspective on sex in society relatable to prostitution. Quite the opposite.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
yes this way will be check on health,pay taxis etc...they provide service as any other job
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This is the topic that turns me into a conservative, feminist prude. I don't think it should be legal to have women's bodies for sale. I understand and appreciate the arguments for legalization, but I still just can't be okay with prostitution and what it truly means to women's position in society (yes, the fact that male prostitutes exist too is something I'm aware of). I think all efforts should go towards preventing people from being prostitutes, as much as that entails.
not only women do sex for money..
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"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
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Godfather.
but yes you are right that some may have other issues that drive them to the sex trade ie addiction being a main reason and yes they do need help but maybe not around their job but those other issues.
what type of help do you suggest they be given?
Choice.
Not to derail the thread, but in a way to me it's similar to abortion - again, choice. Taking away the legality won't do anything but make it unsafe.
for me making sex trade legal is more about safety and not really about money. way to often to have clients come to me after being beaten up by johns on the streets actually more in allyways.
lets make it safe as possible for people. as for their souls, i can't really speak to that.
If a woman sees a way to a better life and can earn a lot of money doing it go for it,if its her thing.She has a service that is always in demand and highly coveted.Shit,go to any nightclub and everyone is looking for the same,she is just skipping the small talk and getting right to buisness and making bank.
Some take advantage, some just do what they (feel they) have to.
yet you have a problem with adults using marijuana. nicely done
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
I don't think it should be legal to have women's bodies for sale. I understand and appreciate the arguments for legalization, but I still just can't be okay with prostitution and what it truly means to women's position in society (yes, the fact that male prostitutes exist too is something I'm aware of). I think all efforts should go towards preventing people from being prostitutes, as much as that entails.
I'm also aware of the whole problem with this vs the legalization of drugs, which i support... at least some drugs. The prohibition doesn't work argument. Totally get it. But this has a very important extra factor, which is the renting of - that is, the buying and selling - of people... 90% of whom are driven to it out of financial desperation or drug addiction, not by real choice. With all the great arguments for its legalization, including the safety of sex workers, I still just can't bring myself to think it's condoned by society or the government. We need to fight to end prostitution as anything close to a reasonable activity. Especially since the legalization of prostitution would seem like some kind of validation for illegal prostitution and really sinister shit like with the sex slavery racket, which, btw, is the 3rd biggest illegal market in the world, right after drugs and weapons..... doesn't that make it seems like attitudes about this stuff need some tweaking rather than validating the behaviour?
Also, anyone who pays to use someone for sex pretty much makes me sick. So men are what? 99% of the market probably? How about society works at changing the attitudes of these men.
But you all.who support it have completely understandable, reasonable points.
Prostitutes are a part of society. They have always been. I think the people who abuse the system now will do it after legalisation as well, they do not care. But the people who are being pushed into illegality right now will have an easier time and a better life. Which is good for them as well as for their customers.
i bet that a pretty large percentage of the guys seeing a 'lady of the evening' do not have sexual intercourse, but get it taken care of others ways.
when you go grocery shopping or to your public library or what have you, there are 'ladies of the evening' standing next to you in the yogurt section & they resemble a judge, doctor or sniper
you can buy tobacco (which if you look up tobacco in a thesaurus it will say - Lady Nicotine) & alcohol all over the place & we know the story here
in the united states, tv frowns on sex scenes but is good to go w/ murder & whatnot... so this means natural pleasure OUT & supporting killing is IN
ODD as can be, yes/no?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
chadwick, good points - and always appreciate your opinions.
And...if prostitution isn't legal, then why is porn?
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
So a legal loophole for a prostitute should be to get a buisness card that says Director/actor on it,and then tell the johns that your making a movie,and you need to be paid for acting in the upcoming sex scene.Set I phone to record,and whammy you got a legal situation right?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
this way will be check on health,pay taxis etc...they provide service as any other job
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”