justam i think there must be many reasons for choosing and i do think it is projecting to see them all as "evil" did it ever occur to you that a man may want a sexual encounter free from the fear of rejection? Or perhaps free from performance anxiety? Did it ever occur to you that someone with incredibly low self-esteem might feel incapable of the monumental task of finding someone to love? Sex can be about companionship even if it is paid for, who are you to say that a man doesn't care if he is pleasing a hooker, that is one of many big assumptions. I feel like many of the anti-legalization folks are thinking only of the lowly street walkers and their nasty johns. Maybe thats just me projecting...seems though that nobody is considering that just because money is involved, doesnt mean there cant be respect.
justam i think there must be many reasons for choosing and i do think it is projecting to see them all as "evil" did it ever occur to you that a man may want a sexual encounter free from the fear of rejection? Or perhaps free from performance anxiety? Did it ever occur to you that someone with incredibly low self-esteem might feel incapable of the monumental task of finding someone to love? Sex can be about companionship even if it is paid for, who are you to say that a man doesn't care if he is pleasing a hooker, that is one of many big assumptions. I feel like many of the anti-legalization folks are thinking only of the lowly street walkers and their nasty johns. Maybe thats just me projecting...seems though that nobody is considering that just because money is involved, doesnt mean there cant be respect.
I don't know anything about this topic really. These are all just my thoughts about the basic exchange as I see it from the outside.
You could be right, and I could be wrong. I don't know! I'm certainly not an expert on this topic, but since I'm a professor I have the tendency to talk like one when involved in discussions. ">
By the way, there ARE machines and those plastic blowup dealios with said orifices for fucking.
Amazing!
I know. That's the point. Prostitution still exists because the customers want MORE than just a hole to fuck and the release of sexual tension. They want a human being yet they don't want to have to treat the prostitute as an equal human being.
perhaps, but I would also think many are incapable of the emotional attachment that goes with it consensual (free) sex between adults.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
By the way, there ARE machines and those plastic blowup dealios with said orifices for fucking.
Amazing!
They want a human being yet they don't want to have to treat the prostitute as an equal human being.
This is an assumption and a judgement.
But do you really think that the prostitute gets treated equal?
I'm sure in most cases no. And I think that is a symptom of prostitution being illegal. Once legal and regulated we can begin to fix these problems. I think we all have to leave our morality at the door here and do what's best for the people involved in the sex trade. Because prostitution is not going away.
I've been hit on by hookers a few times at casinos and I'll tell they looked pretty bad, it seems the drive to support thier habbits throws thier morals out the window but on the other hand I have met women that hook for a living with no habbits just a way to survive and they were good with it and they make good money for what they do either way it's not my business or place to judge thier trade but it seems dangerous to me for many reasons.
I got hit on once by a very handsome dude who looked a little like Lou Rawls. All I could do was blush a little and say, "Sorry, man, thanks anyway." He was driving a very sharp looking Mercedes, had a twenty in his hand, crisp suit, Rolex watch, the works. I was a 20-something kid heading down town to look for temp work but that just wasn't what I had in mind.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
By the way, there ARE machines and those plastic blowup dealios with said orifices for fucking.
Amazing!
They want a human being yet they don't want to have to treat the prostitute as an equal human being.
This is an assumption and a judgement.
It IS an assumption and a judgement. I feel it's a fair assessment though and I'll tell you why...
In the world, people can obtain sex free of charge from other people by being desirable to the people. I don't mean they have to be beautiful, I mean they have to behave in such a way that another person finds them desirable. That usually takes treating another person well!!
Our species has had a lot of sex and usually it's between people who want each other. When an individual finds him or herself in a place where no one wants to have sex with him or her there is usually a reason.
Total equality would mean that people have to find other people willing to have sex with them for free!!
I'm all for FREE sex. Not coerced sex. Paying someone is a way of getting them to do something they wouldn't otherwise want to do with you!
Justam,Would dinner,drinks and a movie or show constitute FREE sex?
By the way, there ARE machines and those plastic blowup dealios with said orifices for fucking.
Amazing!
They want a human being yet they don't want to have to treat the prostitute as an equal human being.
This is an assumption and a judgement.
It IS an assumption and a judgement. I feel it's a fair assessment though and I'll tell you why...
In the world, people can obtain sex free of charge from other people by being desirable to the people. I don't mean they have to be beautiful, I mean they have to behave in such a way that another person finds them desirable. That usually takes treating another person well!!
Our species has had a lot of sex and usually it's between people who want each other. When an individual finds him or herself in a place where no one wants to have sex with him or her there is usually a reason.
Total equality would mean that people have to find other people willing to have sex with them for free!!
I'm all for FREE sex. Not coerced sex. Paying someone is a way of getting them to do something they wouldn't otherwise want to do with you!
Justam,Would dinner,drinks and a movie or show constitute FREE sex?
Sorry, this question wasn't directed to me but I think this sounds like two persons simply having a good time
By the way, there ARE machines and those plastic blowup dealios with said orifices for fucking.
Amazing!
They want a human being yet they don't want to have to treat the prostitute as an equal human being.
This is an assumption and a judgement.
It IS an assumption and a judgement. I feel it's a fair assessment though and I'll tell you why...
In the world, people can obtain sex free of charge from other people by being desirable to the people. I don't mean they have to be beautiful, I mean they have to behave in such a way that another person finds them desirable. That usually takes treating another person well!!
Our species has had a lot of sex and usually it's between people who want each other. When an individual finds him or herself in a place where no one wants to have sex with him or her there is usually a reason.
Total equality would mean that people have to find other people willing to have sex with them for free!!
I'm all for FREE sex. Not coerced sex. Paying someone is a way of getting them to do something they wouldn't otherwise want to do with you!
Justam,Would dinner,drinks and a movie or show constitute FREE sex?
If the couple split the bill and enjoyed the food drinks and entertainment together, then YES (even though money has been spent) this is still what I would consider "free" sex. The people would be going into the experience with mutual desire. No one is being paid to agree to the act.
By the way, there ARE machines and those plastic blowup dealios with said orifices for fucking.
Amazing!
They want a human being yet they don't want to have to treat the prostitute as an equal human being.
This is an assumption and a judgement.
It IS an assumption and a judgement. I feel it's a fair assessment though and I'll tell you why...
In the world, people can obtain sex free of charge from other people by being desirable to the people. I don't mean they have to be beautiful, I mean they have to behave in such a way that another person finds them desirable. That usually takes treating another person well!!
Our species has had a lot of sex and usually it's between people who want each other. When an individual finds him or herself in a place where no one wants to have sex with him or her there is usually a reason.
Total equality would mean that people have to find other people willing to have sex with them for free!!
I'm all for FREE sex. Not coerced sex. Paying someone is a way of getting them to do something they wouldn't otherwise want to do with you!
Justam,Would dinner,drinks and a movie or show constitute FREE sex?
If the couple split the bill and enjoyed the food drinks and entertainment together, then YES (even though money has been spent) this is still what I would consider "free" sex. The people would be going into the experience with mutual desire. No one is being paid to agree to the act.
You so realize prostitute determines how much she's paid right? She determines services rendered.
Going on date and man paying is not same as buying a hooker. It's courtship something entirely different.
By the way, there ARE machines and those plastic blowup dealios with said orifices for fucking.
Amazing!
They want a human being yet they don't want to have to treat the prostitute as an equal human being.
This is an assumption and a judgement.
It IS an assumption and a judgement. I feel it's a fair assessment though and I'll tell you why...
In the world, people can obtain sex free of charge from other people by being desirable to the people. I don't mean they have to be beautiful, I mean they have to behave in such a way that another person finds them desirable. That usually takes treating another person well!!
Our species has had a lot of sex and usually it's between people who want each other. When an individual finds him or herself in a place where no one wants to have sex with him or her there is usually a reason.
Total equality would mean that people have to find other people willing to have sex with them for free!!
I'm all for FREE sex. Not coerced sex. Paying someone is a way of getting them to do something they wouldn't otherwise want to do with you!
Justam,Would dinner,drinks and a movie or show constitute FREE sex?
If the couple split the bill and enjoyed the food drinks and entertainment together, then YES (even though money has been spent) this is still what I would consider "free" sex. The people would be going into the experience with mutual desire. No one is being paid to agree to the act.
Would you consider doing the dishes ,Vacuuming the rugs, Bathing the dogs,and folding a couple loads of laundry so the wife Dosent has to when she gets home ,foreplay?lol
Would you consider doing the dishes ,Vacuuming the rugs, Bathing the dogs,and folding a couple loads of laundry so the wife Dosent has to when she gets home ,foreplay?lol
Well, at my house, my husband always gets rewarded for doing nice things for me! So, I imagine your wife would also be kindly disposed towards you for that kind of help.
quick question on that dinner date - the night's date expense must be split to enjoy sex properly?
Properly? What do you mean by that?
I suggested the splitting of the check to avoid someone saying that "If the man always pays the bill, then he's paying for sex." You know someone would be a smart-ass and say that!!
Also, for most modern women, paying half the bill is not a big deal. Unless the couple are only just starting to go out, it's pretty common wouldn't you say?
by 'properly' one could insert 'free' or 'free & clear'. properly is also used as a 'rules & regulations' guide being placed on millions & millions of adults
Would you consider doing the dishes ,Vacuuming the rugs, Bathing the dogs,and folding a couple loads of laundry so the wife Dosent has to when she gets home ,foreplay?lol
Well, at my house, my husband always gets rewarded for doing nice things for me! So, I imagine your wife would also be kindly disposed towards you for that kind of help.
To get back on topic... legalize prostitution. In My country we have legalized prostitution, and to be honest, it still is quite a shady business, with lots of criminal act in it. Lots of human trafficking, and pimps making lots of money, over the becks of the hookers. Just a very selective minority of the sex workers, chose the profession willingly. I do know one, who did, but she only worked the SM scene as a master, and liked men willing to pay for the pain she provided, she liked getting money for being bossy, not the average sex worker, by all means. I think legalizing prostitution may be a good idea to get more government control in the business, and certainly better health care for the sex workers, but doesn't do much for the shady image off the business. Or the image of the people who become sex workers.
I also knew a man who was thinking of visiting a prostitute, he explained to me that he was considering it, not because he couldn't get laid for free, but the idea exited him sexual that he could pay a woman to have sex, and doesn't have to care for her sexual needs. So his motives where partial power and partial selfishness. The man I'm talking about was a highly educated young man, who usually cared a lot for the people around him. But liked to get discussions, just for the fun of it, so it could be that he dropped this statement in my presence to get a reaction of me, because in that time, we had lots of discussions about feminism, cause i went through a ultra feminist period in my life... And he just tried to get in an argument with me...
I know these are just two maybe redoubtable examples of the sex industry in my country, and I don't have many more examples out of second hand, but the point I'm trying to make is that although I'm in favor of legalization. I don't think legalization is the answer to all the problems concerning the sex workers industry. On the other hand, it didn't turn all Dutch girls into hookers, who do not have any self esteem regarding to their bodies. And the only people in prison regarding to the sex industry are the pimps, who force people into the business, and human traffickers.
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"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
I should have been more clear with my Dinner post.Of course it's not the same,or prostitution or anything of the sort.I was half being a smart ass.Any gentleman on here has surely spent money wine and dinning a lady friend,wife,GF,Date,friend with the hopes of ending the evening with a little "dessert".Human nature right?Since that is the goal pretty much every waking minute of everyday .
I gotta tell ya guy's there nothing better than being in love with the woman you're having sex with..shit did I just type out-loud....maybe I'm just getting old. LOL!
Would you consider doing the dishes ,Vacuuming the rugs, Bathing the dogs,and folding a couple loads of laundry so the wife Dosent has to when she gets home ,foreplay?lol
Well, at my house, my husband always gets rewarded for doing nice things for me! So, I imagine your wife would also be kindly disposed towards you for that kind of help.
So you use sex to get something. Hmmm kinda sounds like your placing a value on sex like a ..........
I'm not trying to pile it on or be mean just ironic that you charge your man but are against other women charging as well.
quick question on that dinner date - the night's date expense must be split to enjoy sex properly?
Properly? What do you mean by that?
I suggested the splitting of the check to avoid someone saying that "If the man always pays the bill, then he's paying for sex." You know someone would be a smart-ass and say that!!
Also, for most modern women, paying half the bill is not a big deal. Unless the couple are only just starting to go out, it's pretty common wouldn't you say?
I pay every time but just old fashioned and expect nothing.
I gotta tell ya guy's there nothing better than being in love with the woman you're having sex with..shit did I just type out-loud....maybe I'm just getting old. LOL!
Would you consider doing the dishes ,Vacuuming the rugs, Bathing the dogs,and folding a couple loads of laundry so the wife Dosent has to when she gets home ,foreplay?lol
Well, at my house, my husband always gets rewarded for doing nice things for me! So, I imagine your wife would also be kindly disposed towards you for that kind of help.
So you use sex to get something. Hmmm kinda sounds like your placing a value on sex like a ..........
I'm not trying to pile it on or be mean just ironic that you charge your man but are against other women charging as well.
Course everyone does it.
No,Callen,That was under the "foreplay" question.So,we are not talking about payment,more about setting a mood.The Professor is just agreeing with me that a little help around the house and making my ladies life less hectic can make life easier and more happy and exciting for all involved in the universal spirit of cooperation.
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did it ever occur to you that a man may want a sexual encounter free from the fear of rejection? Or perhaps free from performance anxiety? Did it ever occur to you that someone with incredibly low self-esteem might feel incapable of the monumental task of finding someone to love? Sex can be about companionship even if it is paid for, who are you to say that a man doesn't care if he is pleasing a hooker, that is one of many big assumptions.
I feel like many of the anti-legalization folks are thinking only of the lowly street walkers and their nasty johns. Maybe thats just me projecting...seems though that nobody is considering that just because money is involved, doesnt mean there cant be respect.
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You could be right, and I could be wrong. I don't know! I'm certainly not an expert on this topic, but since I'm a professor I have the tendency to talk like one when involved in discussions.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Godfather.
Going on date and man paying is not same as buying a hooker. It's courtship something entirely different.
I'm no expert on hookers.
I just expressed a few opinions in this thread (based upon my own reasoning!) and now people are jumping on me for expressing my opinion.
But, feel free to pile on. I don't mind an argument!
So, I imagine your wife would also be kindly disposed towards you for that kind of help.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
I suggested the splitting of the check to avoid someone saying that "If the man always pays the bill, then he's paying for sex." You know someone would be a smart-ass and say that!!
Also, for most modern women, paying half the bill is not a big deal. Unless the couple are only just starting to go out, it's pretty common wouldn't you say?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
I think legalizing prostitution may be a good idea to get more government control in the business, and certainly better health care for the sex workers, but doesn't do much for the shady image off the business. Or the image of the people who become sex workers.
I also knew a man who was thinking of visiting a prostitute, he explained to me that he was considering it, not because he couldn't get laid for free, but the idea exited him sexual that he could pay a woman to have sex, and doesn't have to care for her sexual needs. So his motives where partial power and partial selfishness. The man I'm talking about was a highly educated young man, who usually cared a lot for the people around him. But liked to get discussions, just for the fun of it, so it could be that he dropped this statement in my presence to get a reaction of me, because in that time, we had lots of discussions about feminism, cause i went through a ultra feminist period in my life... And he just tried to get in an argument with me...
I know these are just two maybe redoubtable examples of the sex industry in my country, and I don't have many more examples out of second hand, but the point I'm trying to make is that although I'm in favor of legalization. I don't think legalization is the answer to all the problems concerning the sex workers industry. On the other hand, it didn't turn all Dutch girls into hookers, who do not have any self esteem regarding to their bodies. And the only people in prison regarding to the sex industry are the pimps, who force people into the business, and human traffickers.
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
I'm not trying to pile it on or be mean just ironic that you charge your man but are against other women charging as well.
Course everyone does it.