Prostitution..should it be legalized ?

Godfather.

it shure seems that legalizing it would clean up the business of sex for sale.

http://money.cnn.com/2014/07/11/technology/silicon-valley-prostitution/?hpt=hp_bn6&iid=obnetwork

Godfather.

mickeyrat

maybe. I think many involved as workers now , wouldnt be able to meet whatever standards of health should/would be set, if such a thing would occur. There is no way that it wouldnt be regulated.

rgambs

let consenting adults do as consenting adults wish to do!
I think it is really sad if a woman thinks her body is the only thing she has to offer the world, but who is anyone else to tell her she cant make some bread based on supply and demand.

fife

I know many sex trade workers and they have told me that the biggest risk with sex trade is that the laws prevent them from preforming their job are the laws in place. for a long time in Canada, things like brothels were illegal and that drove sex trade workers to do their job in less than safe places.

for me, i think sex trade should be legal and yes there has to be rules in place such as HIV testing and other STI testing.

I once was talking to a friend of mine and he told me that the reason sex trade is not legal is because politicians didn't want to look like they were encouraging this type of job.

rgambs

yeah i am sorry its a damned flip phone i am using and it sucks! I cant edit and double posts are coming and seldom going. Sincere apologies for the double posts yall!
I agree that illegality makes it much more dangerous!
I dont think sexually transmitted diseases should disqualify a person from sex work. Almost the opposite! We need to keep the herpes and HIV folks having sex with each other, and not the general public. Test them, register what they have, force them to "advertise" their ailments and jail them if they are caught misleading clients!

fife

rgambs said:

yeah i am sorry its a damned flip phone i am using and it sucks! I cant edit and double posts are coming and seldom going. Sincere apologies for the double posts yall!
I agree that illegality makes it much more dangerous!
I dont think sexually transmitted diseases should disqualify a person from sex work. Almost the opposite! We need to keep the herpes and HIV folks having sex with each other, and not the general public. Test them, register what they have, force them to "advertise" their ailments and jail them if they are caught misleading clients!

why do you want to give people with herpes HIV? just joking. it just kindof reads like that.

I also don't think sti should disqualify someone from sex work but i do think they should be tested anyway for their own health and that of the other person.

at my work all my clients are HIV + and many are involved in the sex trade and they actually advertise on a website for HIV + people. of course not all of them do that.

rgambs

fife said:

rgambs said:

yeah i am sorry its a damned flip phone i am using and it sucks! I cant edit and double posts are coming and seldom going. Sincere apologies for the double posts yall!
I agree that illegality makes it much more dangerous!
I dont think sexually transmitted diseases should disqualify a person from sex work. Almost the opposite! We need to keep the herpes and HIV folks having sex with each other, and not the general public. Test them, register what they have, force them to "advertise" their ailments and jail them if they are caught misleading clients!

why do you want to give people with herpes HIV? just joking. it just kindof reads like that.

I also don't think sti should disqualify someone from sex work but i do think they should be tested anyway for their own health and that of the other person.

at my work all my clients are HIV + and many are involved in the sex trade and they actually advertise on a website for HIV + people. of course not all of them do that.

yes exactly! Thats the smart way to go about it! If i had the herps or HIV i would want to have my fun without endangering anyone and legal, tested and regulated prostitution would provide that opportunity! Then you could begin down the road of prosecuting those who pass STI's along knowingly, which i feel should be classified as a violent crime.

hedonist

rgambs said:

let consenting adults do as consenting adults wish to do!
I think it is really sad if a woman thinks her body is the only thing she has to offer the world, but who is anyone else to tell her she cant make some bread based on supply and demand.

Completely agree on both points.

fife

rgambs said:

fife said:

rgambs said:

yeah i am sorry its a damned flip phone i am using and it sucks! I cant edit and double posts are coming and seldom going. Sincere apologies for the double posts yall!
I agree that illegality makes it much more dangerous!
I dont think sexually transmitted diseases should disqualify a person from sex work. Almost the opposite! We need to keep the herpes and HIV folks having sex with each other, and not the general public. Test them, register what they have, force them to "advertise" their ailments and jail them if they are caught misleading clients!

why do you want to give people with herpes HIV? just joking. it just kindof reads like that.

I also don't think sti should disqualify someone from sex work but i do think they should be tested anyway for their own health and that of the other person.

at my work all my clients are HIV + and many are involved in the sex trade and they actually advertise on a website for HIV + people. of course not all of them do that.

yes exactly! Thats the smart way to go about it! If i had the herps or HIV i would want to have my fun without endangering anyone and legal, tested and regulated prostitution would provide that opportunity! Then you could begin down the road of prosecuting those who pass STI's along knowingly, which i feel should be classified as a violent crime.

in Canada right now the law states that any person who has HIV, fails to disclose the fact to their sexual partner, and does not take some sort of protective measure (such as condom use), is guilty of aggravated sexual assault.

mikepegg44

yes

Jason P

I don't know. The one place in the US where it is legal is a hell hole once you get off the strip.

hedonist

Jason P said:

I don't know. The one place in the US where it is legal is a hell hole once you get off the strip.

Yeah, I used to watch that HBO show - Cathouse? Looked a bit skeevy.

But I wonder if it were legal all over, the standards would be raised?

And yes, have it subjected to the same parameters of any other business (or business owner).

It'd generate revenue and free up much space in jails, not to mention court resources.

rr165892

Wow,an issue everyone agrees on and makes sense.Thats the governmental kiss of death all over it.So you know the tightly whitey crowd(who hypocritically patronizes these same escort/call girl buisness women)government wonks.Will spout religious reasoning and hyperbole for why its immoral and filthy.
Clean it up,Tax the shit out of the customer(they will still come a calling)let free enterprise expand it and legitimize it,make it safe.
Just think how many jail cells will empty and how many rapes and murders will not happen.The vice cops can actually do some work that is meaningful like sex trade and slavery,child porn and exploitation,etc.Regulated brothels with security and contraception and 401 k.
This issue along with pot seem to be the most common sense changes and clean ups we could do to help violence rates,imprisoment and taxation while people benefit and no one gets hurt.

Leezestarr313

It is legal in Germany. They made a prostitution law in order to improve the situation of sex workers. The law helps them in regards to money claims and payment, "customer criticism" and social security (they can enter the social security system and get proper health care). There are regulations that they need to follow. They are not allowed to advertise themselves. There is an age rule and they are not allowed to do their job anywhere. There are neighbourhoods and areas where it is not allowed.
It is the oldest job in the world, it won't go away. So why not improve the legal situation of sex workers?

jeffbr

As long as the parties are consenting adults entering into a mutually beneficial contract, it should be legal. Keep the religious hangups out of the laws. Whether something is distasteful to an uninvolved 3rd party should have no bearing.

mikepegg44

rr165892 said:

Wow,an issue everyone agrees on and makes sense.Thats the governmental kiss of death all over it.So you know the tightly whitey crowd(who hypocritically patronizes these same escort/call girl buisness women)government wonks.Will spout religious reasoning and hyperbole for why its immoral and filthy.
Clean it up,Tax the shit out of the customer(they will still come a calling)let free enterprise expand it and legitimize it,make it safe.
Just think how many jail cells will empty and how many rapes and murders will not happen.The vice cops can actually do some work that is meaningful like sex trade and slavery,child porn and exploitation,etc.Regulated brothels with security and contraception and 401 k.
This issue along with pot seem to be the most common sense changes and clean ups we could do to help violence rates,imprisoment and taxation while people benefit and no one gets hurt.

Don't mean to imply that you are the only one who wants this, but I am not sure why the gov't should benefit any more from this service than they do any other. It always bothers me a little bit when people believe things like prostitution and marijuana should be taxed heavily if they become legal. I used to sit on that side of the fence and have come to realize that they don't deserve to benefit from this or anything else they legalize more than other similar products simply because they legalized something there is demand for...Plus you said it yourself, the cost savings that could be realized should be enough of a motivator for the gov't to re-think the laws. Care to share why you think this should be taxed anymore than say the labor on an oil change?

Now if the gov't has to employ inspectors and licensing agencies I understand a small tax to help pay for those expenses, but it seems to me that existing health and business inspectors should be able to handle the added loads (no pun intended). There will be plenty of tax revenue simply from volume, no reason to treat these products any differently than other labor/service industries. The people doing the work should receive the vast majority of the money that is being paid out by the customer.

Annafalk

No, it shouldn't.

rgambs

Annafalk said:

No, it shouldn't.

care to elaborate??
Is it just that you dont like it or is there a legitimate reason you think it shouldnt be?

Last-12-Exit

Of course it should be legal.

Jason P

Unless Democrats inexplicably decide to use this issue as another round of ammo in their Republican “War on Women” strategy, it’s safe to say it will always be illegal.

rr165892

mikepegg44 said:

rr165892 said:

Wow,an issue everyone agrees on and makes sense.Thats the governmental kiss of death all over it.So you know the tightly whitey crowd(who hypocritically patronizes these same escort/call girl buisness women)government wonks.Will spout religious reasoning and hyperbole for why its immoral and filthy.
Clean it up,Tax the shit out of the customer(they will still come a calling)let free enterprise expand it and legitimize it,make it safe.
Just think how many jail cells will empty and how many rapes and murders will not happen.The vice cops can actually do some work that is meaningful like sex trade and slavery,child porn and exploitation,etc.Regulated brothels with security and contraception and 401 k.
This issue along with pot seem to be the most common sense changes and clean ups we could do to help violence rates,imprisoment and taxation while people benefit and no one gets hurt.

Don't mean to imply that you are the only one who wants this, but I am not sure why the gov't should benefit any more from this service than they do any other. It always bothers me a little bit when people believe things like prostitution and marijuana should be taxed heavily if they become legal. I used to sit on that side of the fence and have come to realize that they don't deserve to benefit from this or anything else they legalize more than other similar products simply because they legalized something there is demand for...Plus you said it yourself, the cost savings that could be realized should be enough of a motivator for the gov't to re-think the laws. Care to share why you think this should be taxed anymore than say the labor on an oil change?

Now if the gov't has to employ inspectors and licensing agencies I understand a small tax to help pay for those expenses, but it seems to me that existing health and business inspectors should be able to handle the added loads (no pun intended). There will be plenty of tax revenue simply from volume, no reason to treat these products any differently than other labor/service industries. The people doing the work should receive the vast majority of the money that is being paid out by the customer.

My stance on taxing it heavily is for a couple reasons.One you stated ,to get proper inspections and health checks,but my main reason is to entice those politicians who would oppose it.Trying to win them over with revenue I guess.I personally don't want any buisness person to pay more taxes,but if its that or no legality ,then I choose stiffer tariffs(no pun).

rgambs

i have never had a big problem with sin taxes, i only think they should add one to television watching! ;P

Godfather.

rr165892 said:

Wow,an issue everyone agrees on and makes sense.Thats the governmental kiss of death all over it.So you know the tightly whitey crowd(who hypocritically patronizes these same escort/call girl buisness women)government wonks.Will spout religious reasoning and hyperbole for why its immoral and filthy.
Clean it up,Tax the shit out of the customer(they will still come a calling)let free enterprise expand it and legitimize it,make it safe.
Just think how many jail cells will empty and how many rapes and murders will not happen.The vice cops can actually do some work that is meaningful like sex trade and slavery,child porn and exploitation,etc.Regulated brothels with security and contraception and 401 k.
This issue along with pot seem to be the most common sense changes and clean ups we could do to help violence rates,imprisoment and taxation while people benefit and no one gets hurt.

mikepegg44 said:

rr165892 said:

Wow,an issue everyone agrees on and makes sense.Thats the governmental kiss of death all over it.So you know the tightly whitey crowd(who hypocritically patronizes these same escort/call girl buisness women)government wonks.Will spout religious reasoning and hyperbole for why its immoral and filthy.
Clean it up,Tax the shit out of the customer(they will still come a calling)let free enterprise expand it and legitimize it,make it safe.
Just think how many jail cells will empty and how many rapes and murders will not happen.The vice cops can actually do some work that is meaningful like sex trade and slavery,child porn and exploitation,etc.Regulated brothels with security and contraception and 401 k.
This issue along with pot seem to be the most common sense changes and clean ups we could do to help violence rates,imprisoment and taxation while people benefit and no one gets hurt.

Don't mean to imply that you are the only one who wants this, but I am not sure why the gov't should benefit any more from this service than they do any other. It always bothers me a little bit when people believe things like prostitution and marijuana should be taxed heavily if they become legal. I used to sit on that side of the fence and have come to realize that they don't deserve to benefit from this or anything else they legalize more than other similar products simply because they legalized something there is demand for...Plus you said it yourself, the cost savings that could be realized should be enough of a motivator for the gov't to re-think the laws. Care to share why you think this should be taxed anymore than say the labor on an oil change?

Now if the gov't has to employ inspectors and licensing agencies I understand a small tax to help pay for those expenses, but it seems to me that existing health and business inspectors should be able to handle the added loads (no pun intended). There will be plenty of tax revenue simply from volume, no reason to treat these products any differently than other labor/service industries. The people doing the work should receive the vast majority of the money that is being paid out by the customer.

Agreed ! we pay more than we should in tax's as it is.


Godfather.

josevolution

Leezestarr313 said:

It is legal in Germany. They made a prostitution law in order to improve the situation of sex workers. The law helps them in regards to money claims and payment, "customer criticism" and social security (they can enter the social security system and get proper health care). There are regulations that they need to follow. They are not allowed to advertise themselves. There is an age rule and they are not allowed to do their job anywhere. There are neighbourhoods and areas where it is not allowed.
It is the oldest job in the world, it won't go away. So why not improve the legal situation of sex workers?

Your talking of AMERICA surely you know the law makers would rather hand out rifles in the street than have prostitution legalized , this country is 20 yrs back on all these issues ....

unsung

Yes, it should be.

hedonist

Leezestarr313 said:

It is legal in Germany. They made a prostitution law in order to improve the situation of sex workers. The law helps them in regards to money claims and payment, "customer criticism" and social security (they can enter the social security system and get proper health care). There are regulations that they need to follow. They are not allowed to advertise themselves. There is an age rule and they are not allowed to do their job anywhere. There are neighbourhoods and areas where it is not allowed.
It is the oldest job in the world, it won't go away. So why not improve the legal situation of sex workers?

It strikes me as strange, though...to legally be in business (for yourself, I assume?) yet have an age restriction.

(what if someone has an Oedipus complex )

And not be allowed to advertise?

I understand and support most regulations including that of location, but those two above just make no sense to me.

cincybearcat

This is an easy one... Yes. Absolutely

josevolution

cincybearcat said:

This is an easy one... Yes. Absolutely

Agreed , good to see you here ccbc

Leezestarr313

hedonist said:

Leezestarr313 said:

It is legal in Germany. They made a prostitution law in order to improve the situation of sex workers. The law helps them in regards to money claims and payment, "customer criticism" and social security (they can enter the social security system and get proper health care). There are regulations that they need to follow. They are not allowed to advertise themselves. There is an age rule and they are not allowed to do their job anywhere. There are neighbourhoods and areas where it is not allowed.
It is the oldest job in the world, it won't go away. So why not improve the legal situation of sex workers?

It strikes me as strange, though...to legally be in business (for yourself, I assume?) yet have an age restriction.

(what if someone has an Oedipus complex )

And not be allowed to advertise?

I understand and support most regulations including that of location, but those two above just make no sense to me.

The age thing simply means that you are not allowed to do it before you are of age, meaning 18 years old. The advertise thing means that you cannot have a sign out that says - "come here for sex for money" or something like that. It needs to be subtle. People usually know where to go. I think the main reason for this is that sex workers are given more social security. They pay taxes and have easier access to health care and stuff like that.

hedonist

Leezestarr313 said:

The age thing simply means that you are not allowed to do it before you are of age, meaning 18 years old. The advertise thing means that you cannot have a sign out that says - "come here for sex for money" or something like that. It needs to be subtle. People usually know where to go. I think the main reason for this is that sex workers are given more social security. They pay taxes and have easier access to health care and stuff like that.

Ah, thank you for clarifying. Makes sense...for some reason I inferred the opposite, like "when you hit 60, you're out!"

Annafalk

rgambs said:

Annafalk said:

No, it shouldn't.

care to elaborate??
Is it just that you dont like it or is there a legitimate reason you think it shouldnt be?

I think it's wrong, why should anyone have to sell their body. People living like this often has drug problems and needs money to finance this. I guess there are pimps that take most of the money unfairly as well.

And if someone gets HIV, or hepatitis it doesn't show right away in the blood test it can get spread before anyone knows about it.
I think we should live in a world with respect for one another.