Imagine That -- I’m Still Anti-War

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  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    edited July 2014
    badbrains said:

    dignin said:

    Luckytwn1 said:



    A survey last month by the anti-defamation league found that 26% of those polled — representing approximately 1.1 billion adults worldwide — harbor deeply anti-Semitic views. If you are searching for these people, you need look no further than the streets outside of Israeli embassies across the world, where anti-Semites disguised as humanitarians from Sydney to Boston demand an end to the imagined Gaza genocide.

    So if I protest against this "war" I'm an anti-Semite?
    Dignin, you and I and byrnzie and eldarion and Gimmie and drowned out and whoever else have chosen to speak up, are no anti-Semites.

    Debatable


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  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    dignin said:

    Luckytwn1 said:



    A survey last month by the anti-defamation league found that 26% of those polled — representing approximately 1.1 billion adults worldwide — harbor deeply anti-Semitic views. If you are searching for these people, you need look no further than the streets outside of Israeli embassies across the world, where anti-Semites disguised as humanitarians from Sydney to Boston demand an end to the imagined Gaza genocide.

    So if I protest against this "war" I'm an anti-Semite?
    Dignin, you and I and byrnzie and eldarion and Gimmie and drowned out and whoever else have chosen to speak up, are no anti-Semites.

    Debatable


    Hahahahahaha
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,615
    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    dignin said:

    Luckytwn1 said:



    A survey last month by the anti-defamation league found that 26% of those polled — representing approximately 1.1 billion adults worldwide — harbor deeply anti-Semitic views. If you are searching for these people, you need look no further than the streets outside of Israeli embassies across the world, where anti-Semites disguised as humanitarians from Sydney to Boston demand an end to the imagined Gaza genocide.

    So if I protest against this "war" I'm an anti-Semite?
    Dignin, you and I and byrnzie and eldarion and Gimmie and drowned out and whoever else have chosen to speak up, are no anti-Semites.

    Debatable


    How so ? please explain
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • eldarion75
    eldarion75 Posts: 2,488
    If you dont agree that innocent people, men women and children, can be slaughtered within a walled prison, youre an anti semite. Simple.
  • eldarion75
    eldarion75 Posts: 2,488
    ill just leave this here...hes probably dead now, god bless him
    image
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,615
    eldarion75 said:

    ill just leave this here...hes probably dead now, god bless him
    image

    This is incredible i hope this kid makes it out alive ....
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    josevolution said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    dignin said:

    Luckytwn1 said:



    A survey last month by the anti-defamation league found that 26% of those polled — representing approximately 1.1 billion adults worldwide — harbor deeply anti-Semitic views. If you are searching for these people, you need look no further than the streets outside of Israeli embassies across the world, where anti-Semites disguised as humanitarians from Sydney to Boston demand an end to the imagined Gaza genocide.

    So if I protest against this "war" I'm an anti-Semite?
    Dignin, you and I and byrnzie and eldarion and Gimmie and drowned out and whoever else have chosen to speak up, are no anti-Semites.

    Debatable


    How so ? please explain
    Hamas hates jews, Much of the PLO hates jews, Hezbollah hates Jews, Iranian leadership hates Jews, ISIS hates jews, the Pro-Palestinian demonstrators in France that attacked synagogues and Jewish businesses clearly hate jews. I could go on. In fact everyone just listed not only want the destruction of Israel but they generally want the death of all jews.

    Now I am not suggesting that Dignin, BadBrains, Byrnzie, Eldarion, Gimme and Drowned Out want the death of all jews but when it comes to supporting the palestinian resistance movement they tend to play on the same team with those that do. And there's the rub...until the peaceful palestinian supporters (which I assume they all are) counter the Jew haters in their movement there shall be no peace. Anti-semitism is unfortunately a slow growing cancer and those that truly want peace must either counter it or be consumed by it.
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    edited July 2014
    BS44325 said:

    josevolution said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    dignin said:

    Luckytwn1 said:



    A survey last month by the anti-defamation league found that 26% of those polled — representing approximately 1.1 billion adults worldwide — harbor deeply anti-Semitic views. If you are searching for these people, you need look no further than the streets outside of Israeli embassies across the world, where anti-Semites disguised as humanitarians from Sydney to Boston demand an end to the imagined Gaza genocide.

    So if I protest against this "war" I'm an anti-Semite?
    Dignin, you and I and byrnzie and eldarion and Gimmie and drowned out and whoever else have chosen to speak up, are no anti-Semites.

    Debatable


    How so ? please explain
    Hamas hates jews, Much of the PLO hates jews, Hezbollah hates Jews, Iranian leadership hates Jews, ISIS hates jews, the Pro-Palestinian demonstrators in France that attacked synagogues and Jewish businesses clearly hate jews. I could go on. In fact everyone just listed not only want the destruction of Israel but they generally want the death of all jews.

    Now I am not suggesting that Dignin, BadBrains, Byrnzie, Eldarion, Gimme and Drowned Out want the death of all jews but when it comes to supporting the palestinian resistance movement they tend to play on the same team with those that do. And there's the rub...until the peaceful palestinian supporters (which I assume they all are) counter the Jew haters in their movement there shall be no peace. Anti-semitism is unfortunately a slow growing cancer and those that truly want peace must either counter it or be consumed by it.
    If anti-semitism is on the rise like a cancer in the world, maybe those who feel that way should maybe look at themselves and find out why the worlds view is growing in anger against them? Mite not like what you see, but it's a start. Just my opinion.
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,615
    BS44325 said:

    josevolution said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    dignin said:

    Luckytwn1 said:



    A survey last month by the anti-defamation league found that 26% of those polled — representing approximately 1.1 billion adults worldwide — harbor deeply anti-Semitic views. If you are searching for these people, you need look no further than the streets outside of Israeli embassies across the world, where anti-Semites disguised as humanitarians from Sydney to Boston demand an end to the imagined Gaza genocide.

    So if I protest against this "war" I'm an anti-Semite?
    Dignin, you and I and byrnzie and eldarion and Gimmie and drowned out and whoever else have chosen to speak up, are no anti-Semites.

    Debatable


    How so ? please explain
    Hamas hates jews, Much of the PLO hates jews, Hezbollah hates Jews, Iranian leadership hates Jews, ISIS hates jews, the Pro-Palestinian demonstrators in France that attacked synagogues and Jewish businesses clearly hate jews. I could go on. In fact everyone just listed not only want the destruction of Israel but they generally want the death of all jews.

    Now I am not suggesting that Dignin, BadBrains, Byrnzie, Eldarion, Gimme and Drowned Out want the death of all jews but when it comes to supporting the palestinian resistance movement they tend to play on the same team with those that do. And there's the rub...until the peaceful palestinian supporters (which I assume they all are) counter the Jew haters in their movement there shall be no peace. Anti-semitism is unfortunately a slow growing cancer and those that truly want peace must either counter it or be consumed by it.
    In this whole post you never mentioned the palestinians civilian casualties at all , you are ok with the killing of all the innocent civilians i find that to be a pathetic stance , we are here speaking out against atrocities being committed against civilians by the Israeli army .....Peace what Peace by the killing of kids parents , brothers , sisters you are creating more & more hatred towards your government for ever .....
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    BS44325 said:

    josevolution said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    dignin said:

    Luckytwn1 said:



    A survey last month by the anti-defamation league found that 26% of those polled — representing approximately 1.1 billion adults worldwide — harbor deeply anti-Semitic views. If you are searching for these people, you need look no further than the streets outside of Israeli embassies across the world, where anti-Semites disguised as humanitarians from Sydney to Boston demand an end to the imagined Gaza genocide.

    So if I protest against this "war" I'm an anti-Semite?
    Dignin, you and I and byrnzie and eldarion and Gimmie and drowned out and whoever else have chosen to speak up, are no anti-Semites.

    Debatable


    How so ? please explain
    Hamas hates jews, Much of the PLO hates jews, Hezbollah hates Jews, Iranian leadership hates Jews, ISIS hates jews, the Pro-Palestinian demonstrators in France that attacked synagogues and Jewish businesses clearly hate jews. I could go on. In fact everyone just listed not only want the destruction of Israel but they generally want the death of all jews.

    Now I am not suggesting that Dignin, BadBrains, Byrnzie, Eldarion, Gimme and Drowned Out want the death of all jews but when it comes to supporting the palestinian resistance movement they tend to play on the same team with those that do. And there's the rub...until the peaceful palestinian supporters (which I assume they all are) counter the Jew haters in their movement there shall be no peace. Anti-semitism is unfortunately a slow growing cancer and those that truly want peace must either counter it or be consumed by it.
    One more reason why the "picking sides" mantra from early on was such utter nonsense. There is a huge difference between wanting Israel to cease fire and supporting the Palestinian resistance movement, or Hamas, or the PLO, or ISIS, etc. Wanting the bloodshed to cease does not make you a fellow traveler to those who, as you say, hate Jews.

    Personally, I would like to see charges of anti-semitism AND hasabara both left out of the conversation. Not sure I have read one of either yet that would hold water.

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  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    josevolution said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    dignin said:

    Luckytwn1 said:



    A survey last month by the anti-defamation league found that 26% of those polled — representing approximately 1.1 billion adults worldwide — harbor deeply anti-Semitic views. If you are searching for these people, you need look no further than the streets outside of Israeli embassies across the world, where anti-Semites disguised as humanitarians from Sydney to Boston demand an end to the imagined Gaza genocide.

    So if I protest against this "war" I'm an anti-Semite?
    Dignin, you and I and byrnzie and eldarion and Gimmie and drowned out and whoever else have chosen to speak up, are no anti-Semites.

    Debatable


    How so ? please explain
    Hamas hates jews, Much of the PLO hates jews, Hezbollah hates Jews, Iranian leadership hates Jews, ISIS hates jews, the Pro-Palestinian demonstrators in France that attacked synagogues and Jewish businesses clearly hate jews. I could go on. In fact everyone just listed not only want the destruction of Israel but they generally want the death of all jews.

    Now I am not suggesting that Dignin, BadBrains, Byrnzie, Eldarion, Gimme and Drowned Out want the death of all jews but when it comes to supporting the palestinian resistance movement they tend to play on the same team with those that do. And there's the rub...until the peaceful palestinian supporters (which I assume they all are) counter the Jew haters in their movement there shall be no peace. Anti-semitism is unfortunately a slow growing cancer and those that truly want peace must either counter it or be consumed by it.
    If anti-semitism is on the rise like a cancer in the world, maybe those who feel that way should maybe look at themselves and find out why the worlds view is growing in anger against them? Mite not like what you see, but it's a start. Just my opinion.
    Ahhhh...yes...the jew must look at himself. Thank you badbrains for proving my point.
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    josevolution said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    dignin said:

    Luckytwn1 said:



    A survey last month by the anti-defamation league found that 26% of those polled — representing approximately 1.1 billion adults worldwide — harbor deeply anti-Semitic views. If you are searching for these people, you need look no further than the streets outside of Israeli embassies across the world, where anti-Semites disguised as humanitarians from Sydney to Boston demand an end to the imagined Gaza genocide.

    So if I protest against this "war" I'm an anti-Semite?
    Dignin, you and I and byrnzie and eldarion and Gimmie and drowned out and whoever else have chosen to speak up, are no anti-Semites.

    Debatable


    How so ? please explain
    Hamas hates jews, Much of the PLO hates jews, Hezbollah hates Jews, Iranian leadership hates Jews, ISIS hates jews, the Pro-Palestinian demonstrators in France that attacked synagogues and Jewish businesses clearly hate jews. I could go on. In fact everyone just listed not only want the destruction of Israel but they generally want the death of all jews.

    Now I am not suggesting that Dignin, BadBrains, Byrnzie, Eldarion, Gimme and Drowned Out want the death of all jews but when it comes to supporting the palestinian resistance movement they tend to play on the same team with those that do. And there's the rub...until the peaceful palestinian supporters (which I assume they all are) counter the Jew haters in their movement there shall be no peace. Anti-semitism is unfortunately a slow growing cancer and those that truly want peace must either counter it or be consumed by it.
    If anti-semitism is on the rise like a cancer in the world, maybe those who feel that way should maybe look at themselves and find out why the worlds view is growing in anger against them? Mite not like what you see, but it's a start. Just my opinion.
    Ahhhh...yes...the jew must look at himself. Thank you badbrains for proving my point.
    And what the fuck is wrong with that? Really? What, are they above everybody else? Now all of a sudden you can't tell someone to look at themselves without being labeled anti-Semite? Please. Run along, leave your non sense on the Israel FB page. Fucken unreal
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    josevolution said:

    BS44325 said:

    josevolution said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    dignin said:

    Luckytwn1 said:



    A survey last month by the anti-defamation league found that 26% of those polled — representing approximately 1.1 billion adults worldwide — harbor deeply anti-Semitic views. If you are searching for these people, you need look no further than the streets outside of Israeli embassies across the world, where anti-Semites disguised as humanitarians from Sydney to Boston demand an end to the imagined Gaza genocide.

    So if I protest against this "war" I'm an anti-Semite?
    Dignin, you and I and byrnzie and eldarion and Gimmie and drowned out and whoever else have chosen to speak up, are no anti-Semites.

    Debatable


    How so ? please explain
    Hamas hates jews, Much of the PLO hates jews, Hezbollah hates Jews, Iranian leadership hates Jews, ISIS hates jews, the Pro-Palestinian demonstrators in France that attacked synagogues and Jewish businesses clearly hate jews. I could go on. In fact everyone just listed not only want the destruction of Israel but they generally want the death of all jews.

    Now I am not suggesting that Dignin, BadBrains, Byrnzie, Eldarion, Gimme and Drowned Out want the death of all jews but when it comes to supporting the palestinian resistance movement they tend to play on the same team with those that do. And there's the rub...until the peaceful palestinian supporters (which I assume they all are) counter the Jew haters in their movement there shall be no peace. Anti-semitism is unfortunately a slow growing cancer and those that truly want peace must either counter it or be consumed by it.
    In this whole post you never mentioned the palestinians civilian casualties at all , you are ok with the killing of all the innocent civilians i find that to be a pathetic stance , we are here speaking out against atrocities being committed against civilians by the Israeli army .....Peace what Peace by the killing of kids parents , brothers , sisters you are creating more & more hatred towards your government for ever .....
    I abhor palestinian civilian casualties but I am sorry this post is NOT about "speaking out against atrocities being committed against civilians by the Israeli army". This post is called "Imagine That --- I Am Still Anti-War". Unfortunately some of you have decided to use this thread to draw others to your cause.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    Pretty sure Bad Brains was referring to Israeli Hawks, not Jews worldwide. Pretty sure you knew that, too.

    Antisemitism is a real problem in this world. Hiding behind it to deflect criticism from a military operation that has killed hundreds of civilians in a matter of weeks is shameful. If the world sees that tactic being employed and shakes its head then maybe the Israelis do need to look to themselves.
    ___________________________________________

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  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    JimmyV said:

    BS44325 said:

    josevolution said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    dignin said:

    Luckytwn1 said:



    A survey last month by the anti-defamation league found that 26% of those polled — representing approximately 1.1 billion adults worldwide — harbor deeply anti-Semitic views. If you are searching for these people, you need look no further than the streets outside of Israeli embassies across the world, where anti-Semites disguised as humanitarians from Sydney to Boston demand an end to the imagined Gaza genocide.

    So if I protest against this "war" I'm an anti-Semite?
    Dignin, you and I and byrnzie and eldarion and Gimmie and drowned out and whoever else have chosen to speak up, are no anti-Semites.

    Debatable


    How so ? please explain
    Hamas hates jews, Much of the PLO hates jews, Hezbollah hates Jews, Iranian leadership hates Jews, ISIS hates jews, the Pro-Palestinian demonstrators in France that attacked synagogues and Jewish businesses clearly hate jews. I could go on. In fact everyone just listed not only want the destruction of Israel but they generally want the death of all jews.

    Now I am not suggesting that Dignin, BadBrains, Byrnzie, Eldarion, Gimme and Drowned Out want the death of all jews but when it comes to supporting the palestinian resistance movement they tend to play on the same team with those that do. And there's the rub...until the peaceful palestinian supporters (which I assume they all are) counter the Jew haters in their movement there shall be no peace. Anti-semitism is unfortunately a slow growing cancer and those that truly want peace must either counter it or be consumed by it.
    One more reason why the "picking sides" mantra from early on was such utter nonsense. There is a huge difference between wanting Israel to cease fire and supporting the Palestinian resistance movement, or Hamas, or the PLO, or ISIS, etc. Wanting the bloodshed to cease does not make you a fellow traveler to those who, as you say, hate Jews.

    Personally, I would like to see charges of anti-semitism AND hasabara both left out of the conversation. Not sure I have read one of either yet that would hold water.

    I 100% agree which is why I defended Eddie's comments on the conflict from the beginning.

    http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/235373/jerusalem-post-ben-red-completely-off-base-in-criticism-of-eddie-and-pearl-jam/p1
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    JimmyV said:

    Pretty sure Bad Brains was referring to Israeli Hawks, not Jews worldwide. Pretty sure you knew that, too.

    Antisemitism is a real problem in this world. Hiding behind it to deflect criticism from a military operation that has killed hundreds of civilians in a matter of weeks is shameful. If the world sees that tactic being employed and shakes its head then maybe the Israelis do need to look to themselves.

    Thank you jim.
  • eldarion75
    eldarion75 Posts: 2,488
    lets at least be civil, guys...we can be from different views and not let it get into name calling or inferring...we have one thing in common, hope, lets work from there.
  • jumbojet
    jumbojet Posts: 1,484
    Luckytwn1 said:


    The Allied forces literally saved the world.

    A minimum of 60 MILLION people were killed during WW II, all caused by German and Japanese aggression. The United States and Britain were the good guys and saved the world. That is history.

    Sorry but felt the need about this misinterpretation of WW2 facts. If you just equate "saving the world" to beating German & Japanese aggression, you should add the Soviet Red Army as well to your list of guys saving the world. Actually, it was the Eastern Front in WW2 that was the decisive factor that brought the defeat of the German army and 3rd reich.
    What's your part, who you are?

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  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    JimmyV said:

    Pretty sure Bad Brains was referring to Israeli Hawks, not Jews worldwide. Pretty sure you knew that, too.

    Antisemitism is a real problem in this world. Hiding behind it to deflect criticism from a military operation that has killed hundreds of civilians in a matter of weeks is shameful. If the world sees that tactic being employed and shakes its head then maybe the Israelis do need to look to themselves.

    I'm pretty sure Bad Brains was referring to Israeli Hawks as well but can't say I am 100% sure. Like I said earlier it is incumbent for the peaceful palestinian supporters to look at the real jew haters in their midst i.e. Hamas and say "Enough...you are hurting our cause!". No one is hiding behind anti-semitism to deflect. This is a thread on peace and arriving to a place of peace will require those that truly want it to aggressively counter the extremists on their side.
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    BS44325 said:

    JimmyV said:

    Pretty sure Bad Brains was referring to Israeli Hawks, not Jews worldwide. Pretty sure you knew that, too.

    Antisemitism is a real problem in this world. Hiding behind it to deflect criticism from a military operation that has killed hundreds of civilians in a matter of weeks is shameful. If the world sees that tactic being employed and shakes its head then maybe the Israelis do need to look to themselves.

    I'm pretty sure Bad Brains was referring to Israeli Hawks as well but can't say I am 100% sure. Like I said earlier it is incumbent for the peaceful palestinian supporters to look at the real jew haters in their midst i.e. Hamas and say "Enough...you are hurting our cause!". No one is hiding behind anti-semitism to deflect. This is a thread on peace and arriving to a place of peace will require those that truly want it to aggressively counter the extremists on their side.
    And then what happens when they do? They follow what u want to a T. Then what, you'll give them peace, land, a life? Who are they to tell them what they have to do to live? I'm the bully so whatever I say goes? Come on man, have a fucken heart already. The Palestinians have been suffering for over 60 years. Hey, go ask a Palestinian when the last time he left Palestine to go see pearl jam in Amsterdam or philly or New York? Ask him when the last time he was allowed to walk from one village to the other without any fear. Will you, of course not, because it's like that fucken Tool song Vicarious. Watch it on tv, only problem is what you're seeing here isn't reality. And now with all kinds of networks, people are seeing what's really happening, finally. You could see it in the eyes of all the leaders of Israel and the US, they know they fucked up on this and miscalculated. The response of the world is defining. The Palestinians are rising and this isn't gonna be good for Israel. I dnt care how strong your military is, you cannot kill what's dead already. And these Palestinians seem to think that they have nothing left to live for. Can u blame them?
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