Imagine That -- I’m Still Anti-War

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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,358

    Not sure what is so funny about 'allah'?
    Cant you respect others religion?

    Why should he?
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  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    edited July 2014
    Luckytwn1 said:

    Seriously, you are clueless. Every time you write something it reads as if you just a read a Cliff Notes version of the history and can't keep the basic facts straight.

    First of all, so-called Nakba Day dates back to 1948, which is when the State of Israel was established. I have no idea what you're referring to from 40 years ago, though it does roughly coincide with the '73 Yom Kippur War but clearly you can't be attempting to use that considering a coalition of Arab forces launched a sneak attack on the holiest day of the Jewish calendar, hoping to catch Israel off guard.

    It also bears pointing out that in 1948, the Palestinians were offered a chance at a two state solution and refused it. After the formation of Israel, for 25 years Arab forces launched repeated wars but were unable to destroy Israel.
    Sorry mate, didn't mean to rile u up with my post about nakba day. So let me clear up my post. What I mean was this "recent" situation started on nakba day THIS year. Clear?? U know, the day the idf killed those 2 Palestinian teens protesting on NAKBA DAY. Am I clear now? And I didn't get that from some clif notes. It's all over the Internet [name-calling edited by Admin].

    Edit- I edited it some as to keep it civil.
    Post edited by Kat on
  • shortstackshortstack Posts: 2,339
    i think you need to edit it a little more. yikes.
    did you see me? i saw you.
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    Here's an article that I found. After this nakba incident, the 3 Israeli teens were kidnapped and everything dominoed after that:

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinian-nakba-day-victim-shot-by-live-fire-autopsy-finds/
  • Luckytwn1Luckytwn1 Posts: 517
    Yes, that's terrible. However, as the very article you posted points out, it was so terrible, it is being investigated by "Palestinian and Israeli specialists, as well as two pathologists from the US and Denmark." In Israel, there is law and order and people who commit crimes are held to account. As with the brutal killers of the young Palestinian boy who are now under arrest and being prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

    Who on the Palestinian side is investigating the kidnappings of the three Israeli boys? How have the two suspects totally disappeared into thin air? Would Israeli specialists ever be invited to take part in an investigation in Gaza?

    And of course, none of that justifies missiles being fired indiscriminately into Israel, a point that has been made repeatedly by the Americans, Canadians, Dutch, British, French, Germans, etc.
  • eldarion75eldarion75 Posts: 2,488
    so what is it that justifies the deaths of all those children in Gaza?
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,475
    Luckytwn1 said:
    And of course, none of that justifies missiles being fired indiscriminately into Israel, a point that has been made repeatedly by the Americans, Canadians, Dutch, British, French, Germans, etc.

    A point made repeatedly by my Canadian government, not me. A government elected with less than 40% support. Polls show an even split amongst Canadians when it comes to the Israel/Palestine conflict. I'm not sure about the sentiment of the other countries.
  • Luckytwn1Luckytwn1 Posts: 517

    so what is it that justifies the deaths of all those children in Gaza?

    You would have to address that question to Hamas, not Israel. Israel has offered numerous times to stop firing on Gaza if the missile attacks stop. Israel accepted the Egyptian cease fire, Hamas did not. If Hamas is worried about the death of Palestinian children, why don't they stop firing?
  • Luckytwn1Luckytwn1 Posts: 517
    edited July 2014
    dignin said:


    A point made repeatedly by my Canadian government, not me. A government elected with less than 40% support. Polls show an even split amongst Canadians when it comes to the Israel/Palestine conflict. I'm not sure about the sentiment of the other countries.

    The government speaks for your country. You speak for yourself.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,358
    Luckytwn1 said:

    You would have to address that question to Hamas, not Israel. Israel has offered numerous times to stop firing on Gaza if the missile attacks stop. Israel accepted the Egyptian cease fire, Hamas did not. If Hamas is worried about the death of Palestinian children, why don't they stop firing?
    That is true that Hamas is rejecting a cease-fire. Not a good decision for the Palestinian people. According to the BBC, Hamas has said that they will continue firing until Israel ends the economic blockade..... So sounds like this is just going to escalate, because I seriously doubt that Israel is about to do that at the moment. Once again, same as always, both governments are refusing to even try and cooperate at the expense of lives.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,109
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  • SivanMeriliSivanMerili Ashdod, Israel Posts: 133
    Why respect religion of some one? Just a basic manner of a human being.

    Unless youre..

    As Eddie said; mind your manners.


  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,358

    Why respect religion of some one? Just a basic manner of a human being.

    Unless youre..

    As Eddie said; mind your manners.


    Demanding that someone respect something that they don't respect isn't polite. People should only respect what they think is worthy of respect. If someone doesn't think a religion (or anything else) is worthy of respect that is totally their right.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • SivanMeriliSivanMerili Ashdod, Israel Posts: 133
    If im not religious, it dose not meen that i dont have any respect for other peoples belief.
    I can disagree and work against the interpretation some are giving to their belief as a way to justify horror acctions (jihad ideology) towards the mankind in general.
    There are muslims/jews/christian that cherish humans life and love life.
    Religion is not evil, the interpretation given to it by radical believers in 'the name of..' Is evil.
  • SivanMeriliSivanMerili Ashdod, Israel Posts: 133
    Man, if it was genocide, belive me Israel have the means to do it in few hours if that was their purpose..
    Stop with the genocide bulls. Its so so so not true that no one is takking it seriously..
    Even the famos 'goldstone report' ended with goldstones regret about it.

  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    edited July 2014

    Man, if it was genocide, belive me Israel have the means to do it in few hours if that was their purpose..
    Stop with the genocide bulls. Its so so so not true that no one is takking it seriously..
    Even the famos 'goldstone report' ended with goldstones regret about it.

    It's genocide and what if u were on the other side? America would be there right now freeing u. Bottom line is u feel the way u do because you live there, the side with everything. But if u were on the other side, you wouldn't even be able to post anything on this forum.

    And the reason you ain't doing it instantly is because then you'd MOST DEF get a reaction from the world. But I dnt think it would be actions involving words...
  • Luckytwn1Luckytwn1 Posts: 517

    Man, if it was genocide, belive me Israel have the means to do it in few hours if that was their purpose..
    Stop with the genocide bulls. Its so so so not true that no one is takking it seriously..
    Even the famos 'goldstone report' ended with goldstones regret about it.

    Seriously, nobody can look dumber than claiming Israel is conducting genocide. Words actually have meaning and either you'd have to have no understanding of the word or just be really stupid to say that.

    As you point out, Israel could literally destroy Gaza in its entirety in an afternoon. All civilian deaths are tragic but the fact is that the care taken by Israel to avoid civilian casualties is why the death toll so far is low considering the density of the population and the size of the operation.
  • backseatLover12backseatLover12 Posts: 2,312
    It's nice to see that this thread supposedly about peace has been brought down to this debate. I guess...
  • Luckytwn1Luckytwn1 Posts: 517
    edited July 2014
    badbrains said:



    It's genocide and what if u were on the other side? America would be there right now freeing u. Bottom line is u feel the way u do because you live there, the side with everything. But if u were on the other side, you wouldn't even be able to post anything on this forum.

    And the reason you ain't doing it instantly is because then you'd MOST DEF get a reaction from the world. But I dnt think it would be actions involving words...

    A perfect example of what I was just saying above.
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    Luckytwn1 said:

    Seriously, nobody can look dumber than claiming Israel is conducting genocide. Words actually have meaning and either you'd have to have no understanding of the word or just be really stupid to say that.

    As you point out, Israel could literally destroy Gaza in its entirety in an afternoon. All civilian deaths are tragic but the fact is that the care taken by Israel to avoid civilian casualties is why the death toll so far is low considering the density of the population and the size of the operation.
    You no what, you keep talking shit and talking down to people who dnt agree with what you're saying. Are you trying to be a complete asshole or are you doing it by mistake? I've gotten a few pm messages telling me not to get into with u so I dnt get suspended. I'm trying real hard. But your posts are very attacking, like you're waiting for a response so you can run and tell and get me/whoever banned. Bro, stop being an asshole and post whatever you want and be respectful. I may not agree with u and the lady from Israel, but I'm not sitting here calling u dumb or her stupid. You're doing a fine job taking care of that for us.

    Thanks for the pms guys, appreciate you guys reaching out. You have no idea what your words mean to me. Again, thanks!
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    If people want to see what it's like in Palestine, plz watch the movie by John Pilger called Palestine is still the Issue. He filmed it there, you can pretty much see what it's like. Watch the film, make your own opinions.
  • Luckytwn1Luckytwn1 Posts: 517
    edited July 2014
    badbrains said:

    You no what, you keep talking shit and talking down to people who dnt agree with what you're saying. Are you trying to be a complete asshole or are you doing it by mistake? I've gotten a few pm messages telling me not to get into with u so I dnt get suspended. I'm trying real hard. But your posts are very attacking, like you're waiting for a response so you can run and tell and get me/whoever banned. Bro, stop being an asshole and post whatever you want and be respectful. I may not agree with u and the lady from Israel, but I'm not sitting here calling u dumb or her stupid. You're doing a fine job taking care of that for us.

    Thanks for the pms guys, appreciate you guys reaching out. You have no idea what your words mean to me. Again, thanks!
    It would never even remotely occur to me to spend even a second getting you banned. I don't want ignorance banned. I want it out in the open where we can expose it. I am simply responding as I see fit to someone who is posting untruths and doesn't have command of the facts as it pertains to Israel. If you're going to make silly statements like Israel is conducting genocide, then you should expect a response.
    Post edited by Luckytwn1 on
  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,404

    It's nice to see that this thread supposedly about peace has been brought down to this debate. I guess...

    Eddie was clearly talking about armed conflicts all over the world - not one conflict in general. Yet partisans on both sides of this issue continue to make it entirely about Israel and Palestine. When you think about it, that is a common ground that they share. So Eddie's call for peace is, in a way, bringing people together.

    That's about all the positivity I can muster at this point.


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  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    Luckytwn1 said:

    It would never even remotely occur to me to spend even a second getting you banned. I don't want ignorance banned. I want it out in the open where we can expose it. I am simply responding as I see fit to someone who is posting untruths and doesn't have command of the facts as it pertains to Israel. If you're going to make silly statements like Israel is conducting genocide, then you should expect a response.
    See, and there u are again talking shit. Again. Hey Einstein, got news for you, just because I dnt agree with the bullshit you're spewing doesn't mean I'm ignorant or silly or whatever the fuck you want to call me. What's silly is you're sitting here trying to have a big dick contest behind the screen of a computer. People have been posting all kinds of links and they're all lies right? Everything u say is god and kosher right? We should all stop because god (you) said we are all ignorant or I'm ignorant or blah blah blah. Whatever. Get off your high holy horse and get the fuck off my back. Post whatever you want but dnt call us stupid or ignorant or whatever's clever for you. In reality, all you're doing is making yourself look like an ignorant asshole. And I dnt need to post a link for that.
  • SivanMeriliSivanMerili Ashdod, Israel Posts: 133
    badbrains said:

    It's genocide and what if u were on the other side? America would be there right now freeing u. Bottom line is u feel the way u do because you live there, the side with everything. But if u were on the other side, you wouldn't even be able to post anything on this forum.

    And the reason you ain't doing it instantly is because then you'd MOST DEF get a reaction from the world. But I dnt think it would be actions involving words...
    Do you realy think the world can stop someone from comiting genocide?
    Realty check- Syria.
    Every day (!!!) thousands are being murderd in Syria by Asaads people, and the world stands silente..
    Till now millions were murderd. Still, the world proves it impotence.
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    Oh so now there's 1,000,000 dead I syria? Wow. Let's deflect the chaos in gaza and push it to syria now?

    I'm done with this thread tonight. Fucken self polluting myself in here. Gonna take a break before I say something to get banned. I need a sedative right now. We all do.
  • Luckytwn1Luckytwn1 Posts: 517
    badbrains said:

    See, and there u are again talking shit. Again. Hey Einstein, got news for you, just because I dnt agree with the bullshit you're spewing doesn't mean I'm ignorant or silly or whatever the fuck you want to call me. What's silly is you're sitting here trying to have a big dick contest behind the screen of a computer. People have been posting all kinds of links and they're all lies right? Everything u say is god and kosher right? We should all stop because god (you) said we are all ignorant or I'm ignorant or blah blah blah. Whatever. Get off your high holy horse and get the fuck off my back. Post whatever you want but dnt call us stupid or ignorant or whatever's clever for you. In reality, all you're doing is making yourself look like an ignorant asshole. And I dnt need to post a link for that.
    Blah blah blah, that's all nice gobbledygook, I will say it again, make reckless and wrong statements like "Israel is committing genocide" and I will respond. If you don't like my response then my suggestion would be to understand what genocide is before making those kinds of statements. As Sivan points out, there actually is genocide going on in Syria at the moment but we don't hear a peep out of people like you about that.
  • SivanMeriliSivanMerili Ashdod, Israel Posts: 133
    edited July 2014
    BadBrains,
    If you have something to say, say it,
    But please stop with the 'words laundery'.
    If you see Hamas as a legitimate organization, something is realy disturbed with you..
    And the 'i dont hate israelis' is losing it credibillity.
    Just be true to your self for once and say what you realy think.
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