Imagine That -- I’m Still Anti-War

Luckytwn1 said:

eldarion75 said:

Thought this was important to share And this constitutes Israel
Defending itself? These stats haven't been updated since the ground attack began. Red Cross are being hard from going in and reclaiming dozens of bodies on the streets. It's heartbreaking and the world powers are turning a blind eye still

To point out how ridiculous that is and how little you understand history, consider the following. In World War II, there were obviously no American civilians killed in the mainland US and no damage to American cities while millions of civilians died in Germany and Japan and we reduced both countries to rubble. Does that mean we were the bad guys?

"...we reduced both countries to rubble." Sounds bad to me. How many of those that die in wars are actually guilty of the act we use as justification for bombing the shit out of them? I don't think it's a matter of good guys vs bad guys. It's all bad.

melissachun said:

Luckytwn1 said:

eldarion75 said:

Thought this was important to share And this constitutes Israel
Defending itself? These stats haven't been updated since the ground attack began. Red Cross are being hard from going in and reclaiming dozens of bodies on the streets. It's heartbreaking and the world powers are turning a blind eye still

To point out how ridiculous that is and how little you understand history, consider the following. In World War II, there were obviously no American civilians killed in the mainland US and no damage to American cities while millions of civilians died in Germany and Japan and we reduced both countries to rubble. Does that mean we were the bad guys?

"...we reduced both countries to rubble." Sounds bad to me. How many of those that die in wars are actually guilty of the act we use as justification for bombing the shit out of them? I don't think it's a matter of good guys vs bad guys. It's all bad.

Are you joking? It is frightening to see such ignorance. The Allied forces literally saved the world. The US did not seek war in 1941, we (and our allies) acted to stop the worst aggression the world has ever seen.

CM189191 said:

Luckytwn1 said:

CM189191 said:

Luckytwn1 said:

badbrains said:

mandm621 said:

badbrains said:

BS44325 said:

badbrains said:

And if you think ed DIDNT raise a banner then you are truly delusional.

The only banner he raised was No War. His clarification specifically references taxpayer funding of US drones. Not sure why you insist on making it more then that.

Us drones???? Hahahaha since when do drones "go across land and steal land that's NOT there's"?? Nice try

badbrains said:

BS44325 said:

badbrains said:

And if you think ed DIDNT raise a banner then you are truly delusional.

The only banner he raised was No War. His clarification specifically references taxpayer funding of US drones. Not sure why you insist on making it more then that.

Us drones???? Hahahaha since when do drones "go across land and steal land that's NOT there's"?? Nice try

No but they bomb people. Not everything he was said was about stealing land, you need to read or listen to what was said.

Oh, I heard him loud and clear. Especially the part about "not giving them our money, dnt want to give them any of our taxes...." And your right, "they" bomb people. "They" also are under occupation by a government running rogue with the money "we give them from the taxes we pay." Wake the fuck up. Stop being so naive and blind.

It's very simple. Israel is using its weapons to protect Israeli citizens while Hamas is using their citizens to protect their weapons. If Hamas put down their weapons, Israel would stop firing (as evidenced by Israel keeps recognizing the cease fires and Hamas keeps breaking them). If Israel suddenly destroyed all its weapons, the country would be overrun by enemies from all sides.

That is the reality for Israel. And that is why, regardless of your misguided opinions or the opinions of anyone else, they are going to do what needs to be done to protect their citizens.

And when do the Israeli settlement expansions stop?

There are no Israeli settlements in Gaza and in fact, Israel forcibly removed settlers from Gaza in 2005.

So because they're in the west bank, that makes them ok?

It's a non-sequitur. Not even Hamas is trying to claim they are firing missiles into Israel because of settlements in the West Bank. The leaders of Hamas hate the Palestinian Authority almost as much as they hate Israel.

At a point in the future, many but probably not all West Bank settlements will be dealt with, just as the difficult choice was made in Gaza.

Luckytwn1 said:

melissachun said:

Luckytwn1 said:

eldarion75 said:

Thought this was important to share And this constitutes Israel
Defending itself? These stats haven't been updated since the ground attack began. Red Cross are being hard from going in and reclaiming dozens of bodies on the streets. It's heartbreaking and the world powers are turning a blind eye still

To point out how ridiculous that is and how little you understand history, consider the following. In World War II, there were obviously no American civilians killed in the mainland US and no damage to American cities while millions of civilians died in Germany and Japan and we reduced both countries to rubble. Does that mean we were the bad guys?

"...we reduced both countries to rubble." Sounds bad to me. How many of those that die in wars are actually guilty of the act we use as justification for bombing the shit out of them? I don't think it's a matter of good guys vs bad guys. It's all bad.

Are you joking? It is frightening to see such ignorance. The Allied forces literally saved the world. The US did not seek war in 1941, we (and our allies) acted to stop the worst aggression the world has ever seen.

And it's frightening to see such arrogance. Demeaning people who have a different viewpoint says nothing about them, but a whole lot about you. I'd rather be ignorant and naive with Eddie than oh-so-enlightened, like yourself.

And the divide continues. Either/or, here/there, support/oppose.

I keep envisioning antlers entwined.

Not sure if in this or the myriad of other related (and similarly-headed) threads, I believe Brad Klausen spoke of duality, how it separates. Seems this has gone that path, at least for the most part.

So it goes. And goes.

melissachun said:

Luckytwn1 said:

melissachun said:

Luckytwn1 said:

eldarion75 said:

Thought this was important to share And this constitutes Israel
Defending itself? These stats haven't been updated since the ground attack began. Red Cross are being hard from going in and reclaiming dozens of bodies on the streets. It's heartbreaking and the world powers are turning a blind eye still

To point out how ridiculous that is and how little you understand history, consider the following. In World War II, there were obviously no American civilians killed in the mainland US and no damage to American cities while millions of civilians died in Germany and Japan and we reduced both countries to rubble. Does that mean we were the bad guys?

"...we reduced both countries to rubble." Sounds bad to me. How many of those that die in wars are actually guilty of the act we use as justification for bombing the shit out of them? I don't think it's a matter of good guys vs bad guys. It's all bad.

Are you joking? It is frightening to see such ignorance. The Allied forces literally saved the world. The US did not seek war in 1941, we (and our allies) acted to stop the worst aggression the world has ever seen.

And it's frightening to see such arrogance. Demeaning people who have a different viewpoint says nothing about them, but a whole lot about you. I'd rather be ignorant and naive with Eddie than oh-so-enlightened, like yourself.

There is only one viewpoint acceptable on World War II and if you have a differing one then you are absolutely deserving of arrogance and much worse.

The Axis powers invaded entire continents intent on world domination. Nobody was attacking them, there was no self defense involved. It was pure aggression. The Germans set up death camps where 11 MILLION people were massacred. Jews, gays, gypsies, anyone they didn't like were exterminated. They killed tens of millions more in other ways. The Japanese went into countries and took women hostages and made them serve as sex slaves. They also conducted the Bataan Death March, they conducted a secret attack on Pearl Harbor, etc.

A minimum of 60 MILLION people were killed during WW II, all caused by German and Japanese aggression. The United States and Britain were the good guys and saved the world. That is history.

JimmyV said:

rr165892 said:

JimmyV said:

Luckytwn1 said:

JWPearl said:

melissachun said:

Luckytwn1 said:

eldarion75 said:

Thought this was important to share And this constitutes Israel
Defending itself? These stats haven't been updated since the ground attack began. Red Cross are being hard from going in and reclaiming dozens of bodies on the streets. It's heartbreaking and the world powers are turning a blind eye still

To point out how ridiculous that is and how little you understand history, consider the following. In World War II, there were obviously no American civilians killed in the mainland US and no damage to American cities while millions of civilians died in Germany and Japan and we reduced both countries to rubble. Does that mean we were the bad guys?

"...we reduced both countries to rubble." Sounds bad to me. How many of those that die in wars are actually guilty of the act we use as justification for bombing the shit out of them? I don't think it's a matter of good guys vs bad guys. It's all bad.

I agree..

Let me guess, you don't have a degree in history?

Well, I do have a degree in history. One thing you learn pretty quick when you study history is that there are almost never good guys and bad guys. Especially so once the bullets and bombs start flying.

I think WW2 was clear cut,good vs bad.Many other conflicts I can see where it's more point of view.

The Japanese immigrants we placed in internment camps may disagree. As may anyone who lost a relative to the atom bomb.

As it happens, I am a graduate of one of the top law schools in the US and we had to write a major thesis style paper to graduate. My topic was Just War Theory and the use of atomic weapons on Hiroshima and Nagasaki and anyone who lost a relative to the atomic bomb should blame the Japanese Emperor for not surrendering.

JimmyV said:

rr165892 said:

JimmyV said:

Luckytwn1 said:

JWPearl said:

melissachun said:

Luckytwn1 said:

eldarion75 said:

Thought this was important to share And this constitutes Israel
Defending itself? These stats haven't been updated since the ground attack began. Red Cross are being hard from going in and reclaiming dozens of bodies on the streets. It's heartbreaking and the world powers are turning a blind eye still

To point out how ridiculous that is and how little you understand history, consider the following. In World War II, there were obviously no American civilians killed in the mainland US and no damage to American cities while millions of civilians died in Germany and Japan and we reduced both countries to rubble. Does that mean we were the bad guys?

"...we reduced both countries to rubble." Sounds bad to me. How many of those that die in wars are actually guilty of the act we use as justification for bombing the shit out of them? I don't think it's a matter of good guys vs bad guys. It's all bad.

I agree..

Let me guess, you don't have a degree in history?

Well, I do have a degree in history. One thing you learn pretty quick when you study history is that there are almost never good guys and bad guys. Especially so once the bullets and bombs start flying.

I think WW2 was clear cut,good vs bad.Many other conflicts I can see where it's more point of view.

The Japanese immigrants we placed in internment camps may disagree. As may anyone who lost a relative to the atom bomb. Or anyone who was "liberated" only to spend the next 50 years behind the iron curtain.

Even in WW2, perspective was important. Was the Nazi high command evil? Yes. Were the Allies angels? No.

What did that computer in the movie war games say about war? There can never be a winner or something like that,and I agree that everyone comes out a looser.But in this scenario,lucky is 100% right.There was good vs bad and good prevailed.We finished a fight others brought to us in a cowardly fashion.

dimitrispearljam said:

Luckytwn1 said:

JimmyV said:

Luckytwn1 said:

JWPearl said:

melissachun said:

Luckytwn1 said:

eldarion75 said:

Thought this was important to share And this constitutes Israel
Defending itself? These stats haven't been updated since the ground attack began. Red Cross are being hard from going in and reclaiming dozens of bodies on the streets. It's heartbreaking and the world powers are turning a blind eye still

To point out how ridiculous that is and how little you understand history, consider the following. In World War II, there were obviously no American civilians killed in the mainland US and no damage to American cities while millions of civilians died in Germany and Japan and we reduced both countries to rubble. Does that mean we were the bad guys?

"...we reduced both countries to rubble." Sounds bad to me. How many of those that die in wars are actually guilty of the act we use as justification for bombing the shit out of them? I don't think it's a matter of good guys vs bad guys. It's all bad.

I agree..

Let me guess, you don't have a degree in history?

Well, I do have a degree in history. One thing you learn pretty quick when you study history is that there are almost never good guys and bad guys. Especially so once the bullets and bombs start flying.

Well, you definitely should get a refund if your professors taught you there was any moral ambiguity regarding the sides in World War II.

History is written from the winners...
so if hitler had won back then all will be written different about usa and their allies

May have been written different,but you would be talking German and good would not have prevailed.