I was born in Israel. This is the fact. Some of the Gazan civilianze were born here as well. Hamas is a terror cell that filtered in with a clear and loud ideology - jihad. You can read it in their platform.
You dont know. Feading up from the media is definitely not knowing. Knowing is living and breathing the situation daily, every second and minute.
I remind you 9/11. Please tell how it felt? Was it fun? Did you thought that you are the one to blame and not al-quaidda? How you felt when Binnladen was wiped from earth? Millions of civilianze were killed by the us in the name of justice. Is it because the us wanted to kill them? You think the us should have set aside and not doing nothing?
Media? Here in America?? You're kidding right? I spoke out and continue to speak out against Iraq or Afghanistan. I also know that things aren't as simple as people say they are. I see you got to go and see pearl jam in Europe this past tour, must be nice to be able to leave Israel as you please and go travel to see pearl jam. Lucky you, shit, a Palestinian living in gaza can't even take a piss or shit without getting the ok from your regime. I told you, I feel for you for what you're going through, BUT I also feel MORE for the Palestinians who can't even breathe or look outside their window or even go out and kick a fucken soccer ball around on the beach without getting killed. See, it's horrible on the otherside too...
Do you think it's right under any circumstances to put your leaders and weapons in the middle of civilian areas, including their houses, hospitals, social areas and schools?
Listen, just because some of the "main" media are pushing this script around, doesn't mean I need to believe it. U believe what u want and I'll do the same. I'm just showing the other side. If you want I can start posting the pics of the bodies but I figured I'd leave those out to save the people the disgusting images coming out of gaza. But, we can if you want.
So the UN was lying when they announced they found Hamas missiles stashed in UN sanctioned schools for the second time?
As far as your concern for the Palestinians, many more Palestinians are being killed in Syria right this second than there are Palestinians dying in Gaza and in fact, people are spreading pictures of Palestinian dead that in many cases are actually from Syria and not Gaza. Yet, I don't see you showing any concern for those deaths. The reality is your posts show less a concern for the Palestinian people and rather a complete hatred of Israel.
The reason why the EU came out with such a strong statement of support for Israel's right to self defense today is the same reason all 535 Senators and Representatives here in the US did, it is the only sensible response by a democracy. Israel is entitled to defend itself in response to widespread attacks by a terrorist organization and it will continue to do so.
And the Palestinians have THE RIGHT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES TOO. We can go at this all day and all night. Just like they are in gaza. Funny, you bring up the UN when it suits your cause but when for YEARS they've said enough, you guys ignore it. They said stop killing civilians, u guys keep doing it. Now when the UN says something against israel again, they'll ignore that and continue the murder. I'm amazed that whenever someone criticizes Israel, they all rant and scream. But the minute someone says anything remote about the Palestinians or Hamas in a negative way, it's all over front pages and threads get started.
Edit- and just for the record, I DNT HATE ISRAELIS, just your fucked up government. I've said it before, my people are a nomadic people and we have 2 villages in Israel that one day I'd love to visit.
My government is the United States of America. And the Palestinians do not have a right to fire missiles indiscriminately into Israel, which is what caused the Israeli ongoing response. That has been made clear by the US, Canada, Australia, France, UK, Dutch, etc. The Palestinians launched a series of attacks and that is why all the other nations are referring to Israel's right of self defense in this situation.
Bullshit, go back and look at the timeline to when "this" fucken shit started. Nakba day, there's a hint for you. But if you want to know what started this whole entire mess, you're gonna have to go back about 40 years. That's thousands and thousands of deaths ago....
Seriously, you are clueless. Every time you write something it reads as if you just a read a Cliff Notes version of the history and can't keep the basic facts straight.
First of all, so-called Nakba Day dates back to 1948, which is when the State of Israel was established. I have no idea what you're referring to from 40 years ago, though it does roughly coincide with the '73 Yom Kippur War but clearly you can't be attempting to use that considering a coalition of Arab forces launched a sneak attack on the holiest day of the Jewish calendar, hoping to catch Israel off guard.
It also bears pointing out that in 1948, the Palestinians were offered a chance at a two state solution and refused it. After the formation of Israel, for 25 years Arab forces launched repeated wars but were unable to destroy Israel.
Sorry mate, didn't mean to rile u up with my post about nakba day. So let me clear up my post. What I mean was this "recent" situation started on nakba day THIS year. Clear?? U know, the day the idf killed those 2 Palestinian teens protesting on NAKBA DAY. Am I clear now? And I didn't get that from some clif notes. It's all over the Internet [name-calling edited by Admin].
Yes, that's terrible. However, as the very article you posted points out, it was so terrible, it is being investigated by "Palestinian and Israeli specialists, as well as two pathologists from the US and Denmark." In Israel, there is law and order and people who commit crimes are held to account. As with the brutal killers of the young Palestinian boy who are now under arrest and being prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
Who on the Palestinian side is investigating the kidnappings of the three Israeli boys? How have the two suspects totally disappeared into thin air? Would Israeli specialists ever be invited to take part in an investigation in Gaza?
And of course, none of that justifies missiles being fired indiscriminately into Israel, a point that has been made repeatedly by the Americans, Canadians, Dutch, British, French, Germans, etc.
And of course, none of that justifies missiles being fired indiscriminately into Israel, a point that has been made repeatedly by the Americans, Canadians, Dutch, British, French, Germans, etc.
A point made repeatedly by my Canadian government, not me. A government elected with less than 40% support. Polls show an even split amongst Canadians when it comes to the Israel/Palestine conflict. I'm not sure about the sentiment of the other countries.
so what is it that justifies the deaths of all those children in Gaza?
You would have to address that question to Hamas, not Israel. Israel has offered numerous times to stop firing on Gaza if the missile attacks stop. Israel accepted the Egyptian cease fire, Hamas did not. If Hamas is worried about the death of Palestinian children, why don't they stop firing?
A point made repeatedly by my Canadian government, not me. A government elected with less than 40% support. Polls show an even split amongst Canadians when it comes to the Israel/Palestine conflict. I'm not sure about the sentiment of the other countries.
The government speaks for your country. You speak for yourself.
so what is it that justifies the deaths of all those children in Gaza?
You would have to address that question to Hamas, not Israel. Israel has offered numerous times to stop firing on Gaza if the missile attacks stop. Israel accepted the Egyptian cease fire, Hamas did not. If Hamas is worried about the death of Palestinian children, why don't they stop firing?
That is true that Hamas is rejecting a cease-fire. Not a good decision for the Palestinian people. According to the BBC, Hamas has said that they will continue firing until Israel ends the economic blockade..... So sounds like this is just going to escalate, because I seriously doubt that Israel is about to do that at the moment. Once again, same as always, both governments are refusing to even try and cooperate at the expense of lives.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Why respect religion of some one? Just a basic manner of a human being.
Unless youre..
As Eddie said; mind your manners.
Demanding that someone respect something that they don't respect isn't polite. People should only respect what they think is worthy of respect. If someone doesn't think a religion (or anything else) is worthy of respect that is totally their right.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
If im not religious, it dose not meen that i dont have any respect for other peoples belief. I can disagree and work against the interpretation some are giving to their belief as a way to justify horror acctions (jihad ideology) towards the mankind in general. There are muslims/jews/christian that cherish humans life and love life. Religion is not evil, the interpretation given to it by radical believers in 'the name of..' Is evil.
Man, if it was genocide, belive me Israel have the means to do it in few hours if that was their purpose.. Stop with the genocide bulls. Its so so so not true that no one is takking it seriously.. Even the famos 'goldstone report' ended with goldstones regret about it.
Man, if it was genocide, belive me Israel have the means to do it in few hours if that was their purpose.. Stop with the genocide bulls. Its so so so not true that no one is takking it seriously.. Even the famos 'goldstone report' ended with goldstones regret about it.
It's genocide and what if u were on the other side? America would be there right now freeing u. Bottom line is u feel the way u do because you live there, the side with everything. But if u were on the other side, you wouldn't even be able to post anything on this forum.
And the reason you ain't doing it instantly is because then you'd MOST DEF get a reaction from the world. But I dnt think it would be actions involving words...
Man, if it was genocide, belive me Israel have the means to do it in few hours if that was their purpose.. Stop with the genocide bulls. Its so so so not true that no one is takking it seriously.. Even the famos 'goldstone report' ended with goldstones regret about it.
Seriously, nobody can look dumber than claiming Israel is conducting genocide. Words actually have meaning and either you'd have to have no understanding of the word or just be really stupid to say that.
As you point out, Israel could literally destroy Gaza in its entirety in an afternoon. All civilian deaths are tragic but the fact is that the care taken by Israel to avoid civilian casualties is why the death toll so far is low considering the density of the population and the size of the operation.
It's genocide and what if u were on the other side? America would be there right now freeing u. Bottom line is u feel the way u do because you live there, the side with everything. But if u were on the other side, you wouldn't even be able to post anything on this forum.
And the reason you ain't doing it instantly is because then you'd MOST DEF get a reaction from the world. But I dnt think it would be actions involving words...
A perfect example of what I was just saying above.
Man, if it was genocide, belive me Israel have the means to do it in few hours if that was their purpose.. Stop with the genocide bulls. Its so so so not true that no one is takking it seriously.. Even the famos 'goldstone report' ended with goldstones regret about it.
Seriously, nobody can look dumber than claiming Israel is conducting genocide. Words actually have meaning and either you'd have to have no understanding of the word or just be really stupid to say that.
As you point out, Israel could literally destroy Gaza in its entirety in an afternoon. All civilian deaths are tragic but the fact is that the care taken by Israel to avoid civilian casualties is why the death toll so far is low considering the density of the population and the size of the operation.
You no what, you keep talking shit and talking down to people who dnt agree with what you're saying. Are you trying to be a complete asshole or are you doing it by mistake? I've gotten a few pm messages telling me not to get into with u so I dnt get suspended. I'm trying real hard. But your posts are very attacking, like you're waiting for a response so you can run and tell and get me/whoever banned. Bro, stop being an asshole and post whatever you want and be respectful. I may not agree with u and the lady from Israel, but I'm not sitting here calling u dumb or her stupid. You're doing a fine job taking care of that for us.
Thanks for the pms guys, appreciate you guys reaching out. You have no idea what your words mean to me. Again, thanks!
If people want to see what it's like in Palestine, plz watch the movie by John Pilger called Palestine is still the Issue. He filmed it there, you can pretty much see what it's like. Watch the film, make your own opinions.
Man, if it was genocide, belive me Israel have the means to do it in few hours if that was their purpose.. Stop with the genocide bulls. Its so so so not true that no one is takking it seriously.. Even the famos 'goldstone report' ended with goldstones regret about it.
Seriously, nobody can look dumber than claiming Israel is conducting genocide. Words actually have meaning and either you'd have to have no understanding of the word or just be really stupid to say that.
As you point out, Israel could literally destroy Gaza in its entirety in an afternoon. All civilian deaths are tragic but the fact is that the care taken by Israel to avoid civilian casualties is why the death toll so far is low considering the density of the population and the size of the operation.
You no what, you keep talking shit and talking down to people who dnt agree with what you're saying. Are you trying to be a complete asshole or are you doing it by mistake? I've gotten a few pm messages telling me not to get into with u so I dnt get suspended. I'm trying real hard. But your posts are very attacking, like you're waiting for a response so you can run and tell and get me/whoever banned. Bro, stop being an asshole and post whatever you want and be respectful. I may not agree with u and the lady from Israel, but I'm not sitting here calling u dumb or her stupid. You're doing a fine job taking care of that for us.
Thanks for the pms guys, appreciate you guys reaching out. You have no idea what your words mean to me. Again, thanks!
It would never even remotely occur to me to spend even a second getting you banned. I don't want ignorance banned. I want it out in the open where we can expose it. I am simply responding as I see fit to someone who is posting untruths and doesn't have command of the facts as it pertains to Israel. If you're going to make silly statements like Israel is conducting genocide, then you should expect a response.
It's nice to see that this thread supposedly about peace has been brought down to this debate. I guess...
Eddie was clearly talking about armed conflicts all over the world - not one conflict in general. Yet partisans on both sides of this issue continue to make it entirely about Israel and Palestine. When you think about it, that is a common ground that they share. So Eddie's call for peace is, in a way, bringing people together.
That's about all the positivity I can muster at this point.
Man, if it was genocide, belive me Israel have the means to do it in few hours if that was their purpose.. Stop with the genocide bulls. Its so so so not true that no one is takking it seriously.. Even the famos 'goldstone report' ended with goldstones regret about it.
Seriously, nobody can look dumber than claiming Israel is conducting genocide. Words actually have meaning and either you'd have to have no understanding of the word or just be really stupid to say that.
As you point out, Israel could literally destroy Gaza in its entirety in an afternoon. All civilian deaths are tragic but the fact is that the care taken by Israel to avoid civilian casualties is why the death toll so far is low considering the density of the population and the size of the operation.
You no what, you keep talking shit and talking down to people who dnt agree with what you're saying. Are you trying to be a complete asshole or are you doing it by mistake? I've gotten a few pm messages telling me not to get into with u so I dnt get suspended. I'm trying real hard. But your posts are very attacking, like you're waiting for a response so you can run and tell and get me/whoever banned. Bro, stop being an asshole and post whatever you want and be respectful. I may not agree with u and the lady from Israel, but I'm not sitting here calling u dumb or her stupid. You're doing a fine job taking care of that for us.
Thanks for the pms guys, appreciate you guys reaching out. You have no idea what your words mean to me. Again, thanks!
It would never even remotely occur to me to spend even a second getting you banned. I don't want ignorance banned. I want it out in the open where we can expose it. I am simply responding as I see fit to someone who is posting untruths and doesn't have command of the facts as it pertains to Israel. If you're going to make silly statements like Israel is conducting genocide, then you should expect a response.
See, and there u are again talking shit. Again. Hey Einstein, got news for you, just because I dnt agree with the bullshit you're spewing doesn't mean I'm ignorant or silly or whatever the fuck you want to call me. What's silly is you're sitting here trying to have a big dick contest behind the screen of a computer. People have been posting all kinds of links and they're all lies right? Everything u say is god and kosher right? We should all stop because god (you) said we are all ignorant or I'm ignorant or blah blah blah. Whatever. Get off your high holy horse and get the fuck off my back. Post whatever you want but dnt call us stupid or ignorant or whatever's clever for you. In reality, all you're doing is making yourself look like an ignorant asshole. And I dnt need to post a link for that.
Man, if it was genocide, belive me Israel have the means to do it in few hours if that was their purpose.. Stop with the genocide bulls. Its so so so not true that no one is takking it seriously.. Even the famos 'goldstone report' ended with goldstones regret about it.
It's genocide and what if u were on the other side? America would be there right now freeing u. Bottom line is u feel the way u do because you live there, the side with everything. But if u were on the other side, you wouldn't even be able to post anything on this forum.
And the reason you ain't doing it instantly is because then you'd MOST DEF get a reaction from the world. But I dnt think it would be actions involving words...
Do you realy think the world can stop someone from comiting genocide? Realty check- Syria. Every day (!!!) thousands are being murderd in Syria by Asaads people, and the world stands silente.. Till now millions were murderd. Still, the world proves it impotence.
Oh so now there's 1,000,000 dead I syria? Wow. Let's deflect the chaos in gaza and push it to syria now?
I'm done with this thread tonight. Fucken self polluting myself in here. Gonna take a break before I say something to get banned. I need a sedative right now. We all do.
Man, if it was genocide, belive me Israel have the means to do it in few hours if that was their purpose.. Stop with the genocide bulls. Its so so so not true that no one is takking it seriously.. Even the famos 'goldstone report' ended with goldstones regret about it.
Seriously, nobody can look dumber than claiming Israel is conducting genocide. Words actually have meaning and either you'd have to have no understanding of the word or just be really stupid to say that.
As you point out, Israel could literally destroy Gaza in its entirety in an afternoon. All civilian deaths are tragic but the fact is that the care taken by Israel to avoid civilian casualties is why the death toll so far is low considering the density of the population and the size of the operation.
You no what, you keep talking shit and talking down to people who dnt agree with what you're saying. Are you trying to be a complete asshole or are you doing it by mistake? I've gotten a few pm messages telling me not to get into with u so I dnt get suspended. I'm trying real hard. But your posts are very attacking, like you're waiting for a response so you can run and tell and get me/whoever banned. Bro, stop being an asshole and post whatever you want and be respectful. I may not agree with u and the lady from Israel, but I'm not sitting here calling u dumb or her stupid. You're doing a fine job taking care of that for us.
Thanks for the pms guys, appreciate you guys reaching out. You have no idea what your words mean to me. Again, thanks!
It would never even remotely occur to me to spend even a second getting you banned. I don't want ignorance banned. I want it out in the open where we can expose it. I am simply responding as I see fit to someone who is posting untruths and doesn't have command of the facts as it pertains to Israel. If you're going to make silly statements like Israel is conducting genocide, then you should expect a response.
See, and there u are again talking shit. Again. Hey Einstein, got news for you, just because I dnt agree with the bullshit you're spewing doesn't mean I'm ignorant or silly or whatever the fuck you want to call me. What's silly is you're sitting here trying to have a big dick contest behind the screen of a computer. People have been posting all kinds of links and they're all lies right? Everything u say is god and kosher right? We should all stop because god (you) said we are all ignorant or I'm ignorant or blah blah blah. Whatever. Get off your high holy horse and get the fuck off my back. Post whatever you want but dnt call us stupid or ignorant or whatever's clever for you. In reality, all you're doing is making yourself look like an ignorant asshole. And I dnt need to post a link for that.
Blah blah blah, that's all nice gobbledygook, I will say it again, make reckless and wrong statements like "Israel is committing genocide" and I will respond. If you don't like my response then my suggestion would be to understand what genocide is before making those kinds of statements. As Sivan points out, there actually is genocide going on in Syria at the moment but we don't hear a peep out of people like you about that.
BadBrains, If you have something to say, say it, But please stop with the 'words laundery'. If you see Hamas as a legitimate organization, something is realy disturbed with you.. And the 'i dont hate israelis' is losing it credibillity. Just be true to your self for once and say what you realy think.
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Edit- I edited it some as to keep it civil.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinian-nakba-day-victim-shot-by-live-fire-autopsy-finds/
Who on the Palestinian side is investigating the kidnappings of the three Israeli boys? How have the two suspects totally disappeared into thin air? Would Israeli specialists ever be invited to take part in an investigation in Gaza?
And of course, none of that justifies missiles being fired indiscriminately into Israel, a point that has been made repeatedly by the Americans, Canadians, Dutch, British, French, Germans, etc.
A point made repeatedly by my Canadian government, not me. A government elected with less than 40% support. Polls show an even split amongst Canadians when it comes to the Israel/Palestine conflict. I'm not sure about the sentiment of the other countries.
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Unless youre..
As Eddie said; mind your manners.
I can disagree and work against the interpretation some are giving to their belief as a way to justify horror acctions (jihad ideology) towards the mankind in general.
There are muslims/jews/christian that cherish humans life and love life.
Religion is not evil, the interpretation given to it by radical believers in 'the name of..' Is evil.
Stop with the genocide bulls. Its so so so not true that no one is takking it seriously..
Even the famos 'goldstone report' ended with goldstones regret about it.
And the reason you ain't doing it instantly is because then you'd MOST DEF get a reaction from the world. But I dnt think it would be actions involving words...
As you point out, Israel could literally destroy Gaza in its entirety in an afternoon. All civilian deaths are tragic but the fact is that the care taken by Israel to avoid civilian casualties is why the death toll so far is low considering the density of the population and the size of the operation.
Thanks for the pms guys, appreciate you guys reaching out. You have no idea what your words mean to me. Again, thanks!
That's about all the positivity I can muster at this point.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Realty check- Syria.
Every day (!!!) thousands are being murderd in Syria by Asaads people, and the world stands silente..
Till now millions were murderd. Still, the world proves it impotence.
I'm done with this thread tonight. Fucken self polluting myself in here. Gonna take a break before I say something to get banned. I need a sedative right now. We all do.
If you have something to say, say it,
But please stop with the 'words laundery'.
If you see Hamas as a legitimate organization, something is realy disturbed with you..
And the 'i dont hate israelis' is losing it credibillity.
Just be true to your self for once and say what you realy think.