Lots of people lean to the left here huh?

Godfather. · March 2014

Cosmo said:

Godfather. said:
do youi mean would I go and fight ? yes I would but for obama...fuck no that ass hat is not an American in my eyes, but for my Brothers and Sisters and Country,yes I would.
now just to understand that dumb fuck of a question...what are you two reaching for ? are we playing internet forum games ? (silly me,this is a game) good lord Cosmo I made a comment and you are running a muck with half baked bullshit...
1. Do you believe that it was good (for our country/military)?..... advancement in military tech.
2. Why did all of those men have to die in the name of weapons testing?,,,,,,, no......DUHHHHH
3. Was it worth those lives? ....why don't you tell me what war is woth one single life and if you want a real answer ask that question to some war vets.

really man ? you want a straight answer from me on questions of life death and worthiness of it all..."many gave some and some gave all" wtf dose that mean to you ?
is that simple enough for you sir ?

Godfather.
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No need to get your panties in a twist, sir. i was just looking for some answers from you because of some statements you previously made... which you finally answered... sort of. I just wanted some clarification.
Thanx for that... so now... From your very own answers, you believe:
The war in Viet Nam was good for America because it provided proof of concept in the advancement of new weapons technology.
But, that justification was not a worth fighting in Viet Nam... I think that is your answer... because most people do not respond to a question that asks 'Why', with a Yes or No answer.
And you can't say it was worth it or not... instead, you ask me a question to which I answer YES... there are some wars that are paid for in blood. if you need a reference, I'll say World War II.. and not just American lives. Many Europeans and Russians gave their lives to stop aggression in their homeland by an invading/occupational military force. In Viet Nam, it was a civil war between the North and South and had nothing to do with us.
From what you have stated... you think it was a good opportunity for us to send over young men over there, so our military industry could test out new weapons systems and that America would benefit from those test results. Got it. Thank you.
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And you ask me to ask Viet Nam Vets.. well... I Do. I work for those military industries... have been since the Summer of 1978. I work with many, many Viet Nam veterans... both officers and elisted men that served in many differing capacities. I have, literally, crossed paths with hundreds of veterans and talked about their war experiences.
I just told a couple of them what you had responded with and they both said your comments were.. well, to make it as nice a s possible... apparently, not formed by using the human brain as it was originally intended. They said that you should learn about Viet Nam before making statements that are founded on the fecal matter dropped from a bull's rectum (I'm paraphrasing, here because I don't remember their exact words).
That whole thing about benefitting from new weapons is... again... not... not very smart. We DID go over there to test out new guerilla warfare tactics... but, that is no justification to have our military personel die and what we learned from that was not worth their lives. What we should have learned from Viet Nam is:
Do not send in troops without a clear military objective.
Do not go into a foriegn conflict without understanding the native culture, language, customs and religious beliefs.
Do not go into armed conflict without full support from the American people.
Do not go to armed conflict without a defined exit strategy.
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Anyway, I just wanted to get a better understanding of where your opinions and views come from... that's all.
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P.S. Also... I hope you understand that we CAN and do test weapons systems that employ the latest advancement in technology, without sending our troops to war. We built stealth aircraft to defeat Soviet radar technology... but didn't go to war with the Soviet Union. We benefited from stealth technology... and our military families did not have to pay for it with theirr lives. I think that is a good thing.

P.S. (P.S.) Regarding this comment:
"do youi mean would I go and fight ? yes I would but for obama...fuck no that ass hat is not an American in my eyes, but for my Brothers and Sisters and Country,yes I would."
I'm just trying to get this straight... You would go off to Syria to fight and die along side of Al Qaeda in order to establish a fundamentalist Islamic state if Obama started a war with those pretenses? So, your death would be to establish Syria as an Islamic State that wouls possibly seek to destroy America.
Okay... I wouldn't. I suppose, that's what makes us different.

P.S. (P.S.) Regarding this comment:
"do youi mean would I go and fight ? yes I would but for obama...fuck no that ass hat is not an American in my eyes, but for my Brothers and Sisters and Country,yes I would."
I'm just trying to get this straight... You would go off to Syria to fight and die along side of Al Qaeda in order to establish a fundamentalist Islamic state if Obama started a war with those pretenses? So, your death would be to establish Syria as an Islamic State that wouls possibly seek to destroy America.
Okay... I wouldn't. I suppose, that's what makes us different.

me.....al qaeda.....HHAHHAHHAHHHAHAHHAHAHHA AND MUSLIMS ! HAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAH, my friend with all the anti muslim/al queda comments I have made you believe or even think I would do this ????? where do you come up with this stufff...and don't say from me,you twist and turn shit to create debate ...good grief.

Godfather.

rgambs · March 2014

you indicated that you would fight a war with which you disagree, cosmo is testing the limits of your obedience. You won't fight for Obama because you are racist, we get it now.

g under p · March 2014

rgambs said:
you indicated that you would fight a war with which you disagree, cosmo is testing the limits of your obedience. You won't fight for Obama because you are racist, we get it now.

Interesting, therefore that might explain how he thinks BHO is nowhere near the American as GWB. Which also leads him to believe BHO is NOT an American at heart, whatever that means. Oh it might mean he just doesn't look like me, could that be it?

Peace

Godfather. · March 2014

You won't fight for Obama because you are racist, we get it now. [quote] from rgambs

stupid post.......did somebody post that for you ? or was it your very own original thought ? is that the only thing you can come up with ..racism !...really ? 8-} take the walf of shame buddy hahhahhahhahhahhahahha.

Godfather.

mikepegg44 · March 2014

I would get off the personal stuff or this will get locked. Godfather isn't a racist. He doesn't like Obama's politics and believes it to be "unamerican" (general term). That is very subjective. Godfather may be a lot of things but after being on this site for a long time I do not believe him to be Racist in any way shape or form.
One can call someone un-american, one can call someone an idiot or a socialist or a pussy....it doesn't mean race was at all involved. President Obama is an extremely polarizing figure unfortunately, I don't believe he deserves that status as he is no different than most presidents, he has made somethings better and other things worse like everyone before him.
I would get back on topic as much as you can...Arguing over who is more American seems like a strange way for this thread to turn but that is far more interesting than taking it to a personal level on who is racist and who isn't.
As for me, I would say anyone who wants to be President is about as American as you can get. The search for power and status drives many here to attempt to better their lives and like few other countries in the world someone like Obama, or Clinton before him, is a prime example of the upward mobility people can have in this country with hard work and luck. Pretty American if you ask me.

polaris_x · March 2014

i personally like GF but it wouldn't surprise me if he was partly racist - based on a literal translation ... he's written many bigoted things already on this board as it relates to gay people and muslims - so, not a stretch ... as it relates to this board ... we all have our strong viewpoints and discussions sometimes benefit from those viewpoints ...

Cosmo · March 2014

Godfather. said:

Cosmo said:

P.S. (P.S.) Regarding this comment:
"do youi mean would I go and fight ? yes I would but for obama...fuck no that ass hat is not an American in my eyes, but for my Brothers and Sisters and Country,yes I would."
I'm just trying to get this straight... You would go off to Syria to fight and die along side of Al Qaeda in order to establish a fundamentalist Islamic state if Obama started a war with those pretenses? So, your death would be to establish Syria as an Islamic State that wouls possibly seek to destroy America.
Okay... I wouldn't. I suppose, that's what makes us different.
me.....al qaeda.....HHAHHAHHAHHHAHAHHAHAHHA AND MUSLIMS ! HAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAH, my friend with all the anti muslim/al queda comments I have made you believe or even think I would do this ????? where do you come up with this stufff...and don't say from me,you twist and turn shit to create debate ...good grief.

Godfather.

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Excuse me, sir. But you are the one contradicting your own previous statement.
You said' YES, you WOULD go to fight if you were drafted into the Army to fight with your brothers and sisters... not necessarily in the name of the President (Obama)'.
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NOW... you are saying you would NOT fight if that war was started by President Obama and waged in Syria to overthrow the sitting government because it conflicts with your world view.
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You are sending some very confusing messages... and I do not understand them.
Would you fight... regardless of the war as long as it is an american war?.... OR
Would you flee... because the principles of that war were diametrically opposed to your views and beliefs?
Right now, your answer is Both... you would fight AND you would be a deserter.
I'm sorry, sir... but, you will need to explain to me how you can be both at the same time because it does not make any logical sense to me.
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P.S.
Sir... please, do not accuse me of 'twisting your words' when your very own words are coming out twisted against yourself to begin with.

Pingfah · March 2014

mikepegg44 said:
President Obama is an extremely polarizing figure unfortunately, I don't believe he deserves that status as he is no different than most presidents, he has made somethings better and other things worse like everyone before him.

I would say that all recent American presidents have been exceptionally polarising, because the Americans have become a highly polarised people. Their 2 party system has just descended into a childish ideological scrap between people more interested in cementing their own personal power than serving the electorate, and they'll tell whatever lies, and use whatever manipulations they can to secure that.

Americans have become convinced their own neighbours are their enemies.

callen · March 2014

On the some gave s

Godfather. said:
does a verbal attack on obama spark outrage on the train ) also ...of corse he is an American citizen I never said he was not I just don't thionk he's American at heart infact I think he's done more to hurt this great country than help it and if he were to move away from the US I just might throw a party in his honer .....or lack of....

Godfather.

Pingfah said:

mikepegg44 said:
President Obama is an extremely polarizing figure unfortunately, I don't believe he deserves that status as he is no different than most presidents, he has made somethings better and other things worse like everyone before him.
I would say that all recent American presidents have been exceptionally polarising, because the Americans have become a highly polarised people. Their 2 party system has just descended into a childish ideological scrap between people more interested in cementing their own personal power than serving the electorate, and they'll tell whatever lies, and use whatever manipulations they can to secure that.

Americans have become convinced their own neighbours are their enemies.

Herd behavior with politicians and media benefiting from exploiting. Even on this thread as different as our views may be we have same core values. Family, shelter, safety, and food. OH AND PJ. Think we get polarized by watching msnbc and fox.

We're all concerned citizens trying to make world better hence why we're on this thread and really should embrace each other's views rather than go to personal attacks. I'm guilty of trying to belittle.

mikepegg44 · March 2014

Pingfah said:

mikepegg44 said:
President Obama is an extremely polarizing figure unfortunately, I don't believe he deserves that status as he is no different than most presidents, he has made somethings better and other things worse like everyone before him.
I would say that all recent American presidents have been exceptionally polarising, because the Americans have become a highly polarised people. Their 2 party system has just descended into a childish ideological scrap between people more interested in cementing their own personal power than serving the electorate, and they'll tell whatever lies, and use whatever manipulations they can to secure that.

Americans have become convinced their own neighbours are their enemies.

I completely agree. I would really like someone to explain to me how it is possible that two choices is so infinitely better than one.

Byrnzie · March 2014

dignin said:
Please everyone, tell me, how the fuck is anyone less or more of an American citizen than anyone else? I'm truly puzzled.

For some people, being black disqualifies you. As does your political stance, and sexuality, amongst other things.

Though you really shouldn't be so surprised. Many people ibase their outlook on the World - their 'beliefs' - on a mental schema conditioned mostly by watching endles amounts of American Idol, the cartoon channel, and WWE Wrestling - with a bit of Ted Nugent thrown in for good measure.

Godfather. · March 2014

and some people just pass along thier judgment think they are always right.

Godfather.

TheseGoToEleven · March 2014

The real dichotomy here is between forward and backward, nevermind left and right (IMO).

Cosmo · March 2014

I think this whole left/right thing is ridiculous because it is founded in political opinions. I think there are just those people out there on the fringes of the political spectrum that are out there with their extremist views for a reason... their views are extremist. They are way outside the world of reason, logic and the concept of compromise. What we should be doing is understanding these poeple for what they are... political extremists. That's what live out on the far sides of the spectrum... the fringe elements.
Maybe, we should just ignore the politicaly insane out there in the political hinterlands and work on working together with the majority of people who just want our goverrnment to work for us.

polaris_x · March 2014

Cosmo said:
I think this whole left/right thing is ridiculous because it is founded in political opinions. I think there are just those people out there on the fringes of the political spectrum that are out there with their extremist views for a reason... their views are extremist. They are way outside the world of reason, logic and the concept of compromise. What we should be doing is understanding these poeple for what they are... political extremists. That's what live out on the far sides of the spectrum... the fringe elements.
Maybe, we should just ignore the politicaly insane out there in the political hinterlands and work on working together with the majority of people who just want our goverrnment to work for us.

ya but your concept of political insanity is relative to your beliefs ... some may call me an extremist ... so, should i be ignored all the while the current system only favours the select? ...

PJ_Soul · March 2014

Cosmo said:
I think this whole left/right thing is ridiculous because it is founded in political opinions. I think there are just those people out there on the fringes of the political spectrum that are out there with their extremist views for a reason... their views are extremist. They are way outside the world of reason, logic and the concept of compromise. What we should be doing is understanding these poeple for what they are... political extremists. That's what live out on the far sides of the spectrum... the fringe elements.
Maybe, we should just ignore the politicaly insane out there in the political hinterlands and work on working together with the majority of people who just want our goverrnment to work for us.

But there are extremists in the mainstream political arena now.... The Tea Party, for example, isn't in the fringe.

Cosmo · March 2014

polaris_x said:

Cosmo said:
I think this whole left/right thing is ridiculous because it is founded in political opinions. I think there are just those people out there on the fringes of the political spectrum that are out there with their extremist views for a reason... their views are extremist. They are way outside the world of reason, logic and the concept of compromise. What we should be doing is understanding these poeple for what they are... political extremists. That's what live out on the far sides of the spectrum... the fringe elements.
Maybe, we should just ignore the politicaly insane out there in the political hinterlands and work on working together with the majority of people who just want our goverrnment to work for us.
ya but your concept of political insanity is relative to your beliefs ... some may call me an extremist ... so, should i be ignored all the while the current system only favours the select? ...

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Well, if you really ARE an extremist who belives that anarchy should rule the day... or that we should stop doing what we are doing and revert back to hunter/gathereer societies... then, yes, I think your calls for anarchy or reversion to Neolithic times should be ignored.
You may have strong political ideals, but you are a rational person who is willing to listen to opposing views and seek common ground to agree upon, right? If so, you are not an extremist.

Cosmo · March 2014

PJ_Soul said:

Cosmo said:
I think this whole left/right thing is ridiculous because it is founded in political opinions. I think there are just those people out there on the fringes of the political spectrum that are out there with their extremist views for a reason... their views are extremist. They are way outside the world of reason, logic and the concept of compromise. What we should be doing is understanding these poeple for what they are... political extremists. That's what live out on the far sides of the spectrum... the fringe elements.
Maybe, we should just ignore the politicaly insane out there in the political hinterlands and work on working together with the majority of people who just want our goverrnment to work for us.
But there are extremists in the mainstream political arena now.... The Tea Party, for example, isn't in the fringe.

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I believe certain factions of the Tea Party are extremist. Unfortunately, those are the only voices we hear because they use the Westboro Baptist Church tactic of volume over reason.

polaris_x · March 2014

Cosmo said:

polaris_x said:

Cosmo said:
I think this whole left/right thing is ridiculous because it is founded in political opinions. I think there are just those people out there on the fringes of the political spectrum that are out there with their extremist views for a reason... their views are extremist. They are way outside the world of reason, logic and the concept of compromise. What we should be doing is understanding these poeple for what they are... political extremists. That's what live out on the far sides of the spectrum... the fringe elements.
Maybe, we should just ignore the politicaly insane out there in the political hinterlands and work on working together with the majority of people who just want our goverrnment to work for us.
ya but your concept of political insanity is relative to your beliefs ... some may call me an extremist ... so, should i be ignored all the while the current system only favours the select? ...
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Well, if you really ARE an extremist who belives that anarchy should rule the day... or that we should stop doing what we are doing and revert back to hunter/gathereer societies... then, yes, I think your calls for anarchy or reversion to Neolithic times should be ignored.
You may have strong political ideals, but you are a rational person who is willing to listen to opposing views and seek common ground to agree upon, right? If so, you are not an extremist.

i believe in high taxation, i believe in "free" education and healthcare ... i believe that we (society) need to pay and bear the true costs of our economy including impacts to our environment ... i don't believe corporations are our job creators and i don't believe the economy is our number 1 priority ... these beliefs today make me an extremist ... sharing these beliefs gets you called a socialist (like apparently that's a bad thing) ... it gets you marginalized and people ignore you ...

PJ_Soul · March 2014

polaris_x said:

Cosmo said:

polaris_x said:

Cosmo said:
I think this whole left/right thing is ridiculous because it is founded in political opinions. I think there are just those people out there on the fringes of the political spectrum that are out there with their extremist views for a reason... their views are extremist. They are way outside the world of reason, logic and the concept of compromise. What we should be doing is understanding these poeple for what they are... political extremists. That's what live out on the far sides of the spectrum... the fringe elements.
Maybe, we should just ignore the politicaly insane out there in the political hinterlands and work on working together with the majority of people who just want our goverrnment to work for us.
ya but your concept of political insanity is relative to your beliefs ... some may call me an extremist ... so, should i be ignored all the while the current system only favours the select? ...
...
Well, if you really ARE an extremist who belives that anarchy should rule the day... or that we should stop doing what we are doing and revert back to hunter/gathereer societies... then, yes, I think your calls for anarchy or reversion to Neolithic times should be ignored.
You may have strong political ideals, but you are a rational person who is willing to listen to opposing views and seek common ground to agree upon, right? If so, you are not an extremist.
i believe in high taxation, i believe in "free" education and healthcare ... i believe that we (society) need to pay and bear the true costs of our economy including impacts to our environment ... i don't believe corporations are our job creators and i don't believe the economy is our number 1 priority ... these beliefs today make me an extremist ... sharing these beliefs gets you called a socialist (like apparently that's a bad thing) ... it gets you marginalized and people ignore you ...

I believe all the same things as you, and I don't consider myself an extremist at all, although I do consider my views Socialist (those two things aren't the same thing, are they??).... but we're in Canada. These views may be viewed as more extremist south of the border, since they are way further away from these ideals than Canada is (aside from the environment/economy not #1 parts). But even the NDP still maintain these values to some extent and they're a major party. So I wouldn't call you an extremist at all.

Lots of people lean to the left here huh?

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