Lots of people lean to the left here huh?

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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    it's all relative ... i would say most people on here are centrists in my political spectrum ... only a few true lefties ...

    :-h
    the band are centrists ... obviously, it's dependent on where your political spectrum falls ... to me - democrats in the US are centre-right ... and most people on here probably lean democrat which kind of puts them as centrists ...

    Agree. Most are centrists. Truly left bordering on communism isn't seen much on this board.

    So why can't we have party that's Physically conservative and Socially liberal?
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    PJ_Soul said:

    dignin said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    I have never in my whole life met anyone who was "pro-abortion". That is something completely made up by pro-lifers.

    I think more people should be having abortions. But I guess we have never met.

    I am serious.


    Hmm, interesting. Would you not prefer that more people use birth control and not get pregnant in the first place rather than more people having abortions?
    Of course I would.

  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    edited March 2014
    callen said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    it's all relative ... i would say most people on here are centrists in my political spectrum ... only a few true lefties ...

    :-h
    the band are centrists ... obviously, it's dependent on where your political spectrum falls ... to me - democrats in the US are centre-right ... and most people on here probably lean democrat which kind of puts them as centrists ...

    Agree. Most are centrists. Truly left bordering on communism isn't seen much on this board.

    So why can't we have party that's Physically conservative and Socially liberal?
    what is physically conservative? ... there is no merit in any conservative policies these days ... haha

    edit: today's conservatives are about deregulating and detaxing in the interests of large multinational corporations while at the same time pandering to their religious extremists base ...
    Post edited by polaris_x on
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    polaris_x said:

    callen said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    it's all relative ... i would say most people on here are centrists in my political spectrum ... only a few true lefties ...

    :-h
    the band are centrists ... obviously, it's dependent on where your political spectrum falls ... to me - democrats in the US are centre-right ... and most people on here probably lean democrat which kind of puts them as centrists ...

    Agree. Most are centrists. Truly left bordering on communism isn't seen much on this board.

    So why can't we have party that's Physically conservative and Socially liberal?
    what is physically conservative? ... there is no merit in any conservative policies these days ... haha

    edit: today's conservatives are about deregulating and detaxing in the interests of large multinational corporations while at the same time pandering to their religious extremists base ...
    Not pissing away billions on wars, spending money on education to lower entitlements. Eliminate pork. Kill war on drugs. Total separation of church and state. Consumption tax.
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    polaris_x said:

    callen said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    it's all relative ... i would say most people on here are centrists in my political spectrum ... only a few true lefties ...

    :-h
    the band are centrists ... obviously, it's dependent on where your political spectrum falls ... to me - democrats in the US are centre-right ... and most people on here probably lean democrat which kind of puts them as centrists ...

    Agree. Most are centrists. Truly left bordering on communism isn't seen much on this board.

    So why can't we have party that's Physically conservative and Socially liberal?
    what is physically conservative? ... there is no merit in any conservative policies these days ... haha

    edit: today's conservatives are about deregulating and detaxing in the interests of large multinational corporations while at the same time pandering to their religious extremists base ...
    Maybe fiscally conservative? I am - and my views contain no bias toward those big bad corps or big bad religion. What's the issue with using basic math in keeping our individual and collective heads way above water? Spend less than you earn. I learned this as a kid, for chrissakes.

    Let's stop giving the few dipshit radicals the attention and weight they don't even merit.

    And...I assume we're talking people here. Us. Not politicians.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    edited March 2014
    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    it's all relative ... i would say most people on here are centrists in my political spectrum ... only a few true lefties ...

    :-h
    the band are centrists ... obviously, it's dependent on where your political spectrum falls ... to me - democrats in the US are centre-right ... and most people on here probably lean democrat which kind of puts them as centrists ...

    Well, being Canadian, I'm definitely further left I guess? Our right wing party is more like the Dems in the US (except where they're not!). My personal political stance is closest to Socialist in many ways, but certainly not in all ways.
    But I think we're getting too strict in our definitions here. I would definitely categorize PJ as leftists (further left than the Democratic party in many ways). You don't have to be a Commie to be considered left-wing. It's all relative I suppose. But I still disagree that PJ is centrist in North American terms.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    it's hard to spend less than you earn when the "big bad corps" keep your "centrist" government in a state of continual warfare.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    callen said:

    polaris_x said:

    callen said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    it's all relative ... i would say most people on here are centrists in my political spectrum ... only a few true lefties ...

    :-h
    the band are centrists ... obviously, it's dependent on where your political spectrum falls ... to me - democrats in the US are centre-right ... and most people on here probably lean democrat which kind of puts them as centrists ...

    Agree. Most are centrists. Truly left bordering on communism isn't seen much on this board.

    So why can't we have party that's Physically conservative and Socially liberal?
    what is physically conservative? ... there is no merit in any conservative policies these days ... haha

    edit: today's conservatives are about deregulating and detaxing in the interests of large multinational corporations while at the same time pandering to their religious extremists base ...
    Not pissing away billions on wars, spending money on education to lower entitlements. Eliminate pork. Kill war on drugs. Total separation of church and state. Consumption tax.
    right ... but those people you are talking about call themselves libertarians now ... for sure, there are conservatives who believe all that but they aren't represented in any of the conservative policies of the Republicans in the US or the Conservatives here in Canada.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    hedonist said:

    polaris_x said:

    callen said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    it's all relative ... i would say most people on here are centrists in my political spectrum ... only a few true lefties ...

    :-h
    the band are centrists ... obviously, it's dependent on where your political spectrum falls ... to me - democrats in the US are centre-right ... and most people on here probably lean democrat which kind of puts them as centrists ...

    Agree. Most are centrists. Truly left bordering on communism isn't seen much on this board.

    So why can't we have party that's Physically conservative and Socially liberal?
    what is physically conservative? ... there is no merit in any conservative policies these days ... haha

    edit: today's conservatives are about deregulating and detaxing in the interests of large multinational corporations while at the same time pandering to their religious extremists base ...
    Maybe fiscally conservative? I am - and my views contain no bias toward those big bad corps or big bad religion. What's the issue with using basic math in keeping our individual and collective heads way above water? Spend less than you earn. I learned this as a kid, for chrissakes.

    Let's stop giving the few dipshit radicals the attention and weight they don't even merit.

    And...I assume we're talking people here. Us. Not politicians.
    sure but if the people that identify themselves as conservatives vote for the current set of people that identify themselves as conservatives - it's hard to differentiate them ... we can sit here and say that our views of conservatism means a, b and c but if they inevitably vote for a political entity that doesn't support that - then really, they aren't that different ...
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    it's all relative ... i would say most people on here are centrists in my political spectrum ... only a few true lefties ...

    :-h
    the band are centrists ... obviously, it's dependent on where your political spectrum falls ... to me - democrats in the US are centre-right ... and most people on here probably lean democrat which kind of puts them as centrists ...

    Well, being Canadian, I'm definitely further left I guess? Our right wing party is more like the Dems in the US (except where they're not!). My personal political stance is closest to Socialist in many ways, but certainly not in all ways.
    But I think we're getting too strict in our definitions here. I would definitely categorize PJ as leftists (further left than the Democratic party in many ways). You don't have to be a Commie to be considered left-wing. It's all relative I suppose. But I still disagree that PJ is centrist in North American terms.
    if you fully support obama - you're a centrist ... if you support a guy like jon tester - you're a centrist ... a lefty to me would not vote for the democratic party in the US nor the liberal party here in Canada ...
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    edited March 2014
    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    it's all relative ... i would say most people on here are centrists in my political spectrum ... only a few true lefties ...

    :-h
    the band are centrists ... obviously, it's dependent on where your political spectrum falls ... to me - democrats in the US are centre-right ... and most people on here probably lean democrat which kind of puts them as centrists ...

    Well, being Canadian, I'm definitely further left I guess? Our right wing party is more like the Dems in the US (except where they're not!). My personal political stance is closest to Socialist in many ways, but certainly not in all ways.
    But I think we're getting too strict in our definitions here. I would definitely categorize PJ as leftists (further left than the Democratic party in many ways). You don't have to be a Commie to be considered left-wing. It's all relative I suppose. But I still disagree that PJ is centrist in North American terms.
    if you fully support obama - you're a centrist ... if you support a guy like jon tester - you're a centrist ... a lefty to me would not vote for the democratic party in the US nor the liberal party here in Canada ...
    I don't think that PJ does fully support Obama, and the only reason they support Tester is because Jeff's friends with him. I think they show support for the Dems because they are the only chance there is to keep the Reps out of office, not because they are super in line with Dem policies. How you vote for does not necessarily define what your actual political beliefs are. Who we vote for is very constricted and very much guided by what's most important to avoid.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    polaris_x said:

    hedonist said:

    polaris_x said:

    callen said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    it's all relative ... i would say most people on here are centrists in my political spectrum ... only a few true lefties ...

    :-h
    the band are centrists ... obviously, it's dependent on where your political spectrum falls ... to me - democrats in the US are centre-right ... and most people on here probably lean democrat which kind of puts them as centrists ...

    Agree. Most are centrists. Truly left bordering on communism isn't seen much on this board.

    So why can't we have party that's Physically conservative and Socially liberal?
    what is physically conservative? ... there is no merit in any conservative policies these days ... haha

    edit: today's conservatives are about deregulating and detaxing in the interests of large multinational corporations while at the same time pandering to their religious extremists base ...
    Maybe fiscally conservative? I am - and my views contain no bias toward those big bad corps or big bad religion. What's the issue with using basic math in keeping our individual and collective heads way above water? Spend less than you earn. I learned this as a kid, for chrissakes.

    Let's stop giving the few dipshit radicals the attention and weight they don't even merit.

    And...I assume we're talking people here. Us. Not politicians.
    sure but if the people that identify themselves as conservatives vote for the current set of people that identify themselves as conservatives - it's hard to differentiate them ... we can sit here and say that our views of conservatism means a, b and c but if they inevitably vote for a political entity that doesn't support that - then really, they aren't that different ...
    If, if, if...and inevitably. Lots of assumptions, polaris.

    Where I can, I vote based on issues, not based on the party backing them. I think / hope most people do this - well, those that actually get out there and vote!

  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    rgambs said:

    it's hard to spend less than you earn when the "big bad corps" keep your "centrist" government in a state of continual warfare.

    Yep. War is good for many pockets. Have another possibly unfolding. See how that plays out.
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    hedonist said:

    polaris_x said:

    hedonist said:

    polaris_x said:

    callen said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    it's all relative ... i would say most people on here are centrists in my political spectrum ... only a few true lefties ...

    :-h
    the band are centrists ... obviously, it's dependent on where your political spectrum falls ... to me - democrats in the US are centre-right ... and most people on here probably lean democrat which kind of puts them as centrists ...

    Agree. Most are centrists. Truly left bordering on communism isn't seen much on this board.

    So why can't we have party that's Physically conservative and Socially liberal?
    what is physically conservative? ... there is no merit in any conservative policies these days ... haha

    edit: today's conservatives are about deregulating and detaxing in the interests of large multinational corporations while at the same time pandering to their religious extremists base ...
    Maybe fiscally conservative? I am - and my views contain no bias toward those big bad corps or big bad religion. What's the issue with using basic math in keeping our individual and collective heads way above water? Spend less than you earn. I learned this as a kid, for chrissakes.

    Let's stop giving the few dipshit radicals the attention and weight they don't even merit.

    And...I assume we're talking people here. Us. Not politicians.
    sure but if the people that identify themselves as conservatives vote for the current set of people that identify themselves as conservatives - it's hard to differentiate them ... we can sit here and say that our views of conservatism means a, b and c but if they inevitably vote for a political entity that doesn't support that - then really, they aren't that different ...
    If, if, if...and inevitably. Lots of assumptions, polaris.

    Where I can, I vote based on issues, not based on the party backing them. I think / hope most people do this - well, those that actually get out there and vote!

    really? ... i would wholeheartedly disagree ... most voters vote based on the letter next to the name ...

    just look at the presidential nominees for the republican party last year ... horrible - how can any conservative vote for most of those guys and girl?
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    it's all relative ... i would say most people on here are centrists in my political spectrum ... only a few true lefties ...

    :-h
    the band are centrists ... obviously, it's dependent on where your political spectrum falls ... to me - democrats in the US are centre-right ... and most people on here probably lean democrat which kind of puts them as centrists ...

    Well, being Canadian, I'm definitely further left I guess? Our right wing party is more like the Dems in the US (except where they're not!). My personal political stance is closest to Socialist in many ways, but certainly not in all ways.
    But I think we're getting too strict in our definitions here. I would definitely categorize PJ as leftists (further left than the Democratic party in many ways). You don't have to be a Commie to be considered left-wing. It's all relative I suppose. But I still disagree that PJ is centrist in North American terms.
    if you fully support obama - you're a centrist ... if you support a guy like jon tester - you're a centrist ... a lefty to me would not vote for the democratic party in the US nor the liberal party here in Canada ...
    I don't think that PJ does fully support Obama, and the only reason they support Tester is because Jeff's friends with him. I think they show support for the Dems because they are the only chance there is to keep the Reps out of office, not because they are super in line with Dem policies. How you vote for does not necessarily define what your actual political beliefs are. Who we vote for is very constricted and very much guided by what's most important to avoid.
    right ... but like many have pointed out ... where is the criticism of obama and his policies? ... no talk about drone killings? ... no talk about caving to the food and beverage industry on the "Let's Move" campaign? ... essentially no criticism at all ...

    you have to admit that the more activists/leftists attitudes of the early 90's have been replaced by more conformist ideals in the band ... from it's relationships with target and other corporations to their lack of a political voice ... there is nothing wrong with it - it just doesn't put them as leftist in my book ...
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    it's all relative ... i would say most people on here are centrists in my political spectrum ... only a few true lefties ...

    :-h
    the band are centrists ... obviously, it's dependent on where your political spectrum falls ... to me - democrats in the US are centre-right ... and most people on here probably lean democrat which kind of puts them as centrists ...

    Well, being Canadian, I'm definitely further left I guess? Our right wing party is more like the Dems in the US (except where they're not!). My personal political stance is closest to Socialist in many ways, but certainly not in all ways.
    But I think we're getting too strict in our definitions here. I would definitely categorize PJ as leftists (further left than the Democratic party in many ways). You don't have to be a Commie to be considered left-wing. It's all relative I suppose. But I still disagree that PJ is centrist in North American terms.
    if you fully support obama - you're a centrist ... if you support a guy like jon tester - you're a centrist ... a lefty to me would not vote for the democratic party in the US nor the liberal party here in Canada ...
    I don't think that PJ does fully support Obama, and the only reason they support Tester is because Jeff's friends with him. I think they show support for the Dems because they are the only chance there is to keep the Reps out of office, not because they are super in line with Dem policies. How you vote for does not necessarily define what your actual political beliefs are. Who we vote for is very constricted and very much guided by what's most important to avoid.
    right ... but like many have pointed out ... where is the criticism of obama and his policies? ... no talk about drone killings? ... no talk about caving to the food and beverage industry on the "Let's Move" campaign? ... essentially no criticism at all ...

    you have to admit that the more activists/leftists attitudes of the early 90's have been replaced by more conformist ideals in the band ... from it's relationships with target and other corporations to their lack of a political voice ... there is nothing wrong with it - it just doesn't put them as leftist in my book ...
    Well, Eddie actually did start talking about drones and war and all that bad shit at the Vancouver show I was at in December.... talked about how we are so lucky to live in a country that isn't doing all the bad shit that the US is currently doing....
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    I would probably be considered left leaning because I care more about long term environmental and social issues than I do short term economic issues, I'm pro-choice, I believe most people should not have guns, I'm for world peace and I think pot should be legalized. But saying that makes me "left leaning" doesn't really make sense to me. I believe in the things that do make sense to me.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    dignin said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    I have never in my whole life met anyone who was "pro-abortion". That is something completely made up by pro-lifers.

    I think more people should be having abortions. But I guess we have never met.

    I am serious.



    tell your mother that :)) ...I don't tell people what to do with their life...not my business,what I believe does not matter to most.


    Godfather.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    BTW I see a train wreck just up the tracks of this off shoot of abortion topic.

    Godfather.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    edited March 2014
    Something I also think is beyond silly... people who say stupid shit like, 'Oh, they aren't a REAL Republican'. That moronic acronym, RINO (Republican in Name Only) uttered by morons that think they are in charge of deciding who is who. Who died and put them in charge? I didn't leave the Republican Party... the idiots that took over it drove me away.
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