Lots of people lean to the left here huh?

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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited March 2014
    dignin said:

    Please everyone, tell me, how the fuck is anyone less or more of an American citizen than anyone else? I'm truly puzzled.

    For some people, being black disqualifies you. As does your political stance, and sexuality, amongst other things.

    Though you really shouldn't be so surprised. Many people ibase their outlook on the World - their 'beliefs' - on a mental schema conditioned mostly by watching endles amounts of American Idol, the cartoon channel, and WWE Wrestling - with a bit of Ted Nugent thrown in for good measure.

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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    and some people just pass along thier judgment think they are always right.

    Godfather.
  • The real dichotomy here is between forward and backward, nevermind left and right (IMO).
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    I think this whole left/right thing is ridiculous because it is founded in political opinions. I think there are just those people out there on the fringes of the political spectrum that are out there with their extremist views for a reason... their views are extremist. They are way outside the world of reason, logic and the concept of compromise. What we should be doing is understanding these poeple for what they are... political extremists. That's what live out on the far sides of the spectrum... the fringe elements.
    Maybe, we should just ignore the politicaly insane out there in the political hinterlands and work on working together with the majority of people who just want our goverrnment to work for us.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Cosmo said:

    I think this whole left/right thing is ridiculous because it is founded in political opinions. I think there are just those people out there on the fringes of the political spectrum that are out there with their extremist views for a reason... their views are extremist. They are way outside the world of reason, logic and the concept of compromise. What we should be doing is understanding these poeple for what they are... political extremists. That's what live out on the far sides of the spectrum... the fringe elements.
    Maybe, we should just ignore the politicaly insane out there in the political hinterlands and work on working together with the majority of people who just want our goverrnment to work for us.

    ya but your concept of political insanity is relative to your beliefs ... some may call me an extremist ... so, should i be ignored all the while the current system only favours the select? ...
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,957
    Cosmo said:

    I think this whole left/right thing is ridiculous because it is founded in political opinions. I think there are just those people out there on the fringes of the political spectrum that are out there with their extremist views for a reason... their views are extremist. They are way outside the world of reason, logic and the concept of compromise. What we should be doing is understanding these poeple for what they are... political extremists. That's what live out on the far sides of the spectrum... the fringe elements.
    Maybe, we should just ignore the politicaly insane out there in the political hinterlands and work on working together with the majority of people who just want our goverrnment to work for us.

    But there are extremists in the mainstream political arena now.... The Tea Party, for example, isn't in the fringe.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    polaris_x said:

    Cosmo said:

    I think this whole left/right thing is ridiculous because it is founded in political opinions. I think there are just those people out there on the fringes of the political spectrum that are out there with their extremist views for a reason... their views are extremist. They are way outside the world of reason, logic and the concept of compromise. What we should be doing is understanding these poeple for what they are... political extremists. That's what live out on the far sides of the spectrum... the fringe elements.
    Maybe, we should just ignore the politicaly insane out there in the political hinterlands and work on working together with the majority of people who just want our goverrnment to work for us.

    ya but your concept of political insanity is relative to your beliefs ... some may call me an extremist ... so, should i be ignored all the while the current system only favours the select? ...
    ...
    Well, if you really ARE an extremist who belives that anarchy should rule the day... or that we should stop doing what we are doing and revert back to hunter/gathereer societies... then, yes, I think your calls for anarchy or reversion to Neolithic times should be ignored.
    You may have strong political ideals, but you are a rational person who is willing to listen to opposing views and seek common ground to agree upon, right? If so, you are not an extremist.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    PJ_Soul said:

    Cosmo said:

    I think this whole left/right thing is ridiculous because it is founded in political opinions. I think there are just those people out there on the fringes of the political spectrum that are out there with their extremist views for a reason... their views are extremist. They are way outside the world of reason, logic and the concept of compromise. What we should be doing is understanding these poeple for what they are... political extremists. That's what live out on the far sides of the spectrum... the fringe elements.
    Maybe, we should just ignore the politicaly insane out there in the political hinterlands and work on working together with the majority of people who just want our goverrnment to work for us.

    But there are extremists in the mainstream political arena now.... The Tea Party, for example, isn't in the fringe.
    ...
    I believe certain factions of the Tea Party are extremist. Unfortunately, those are the only voices we hear because they use the Westboro Baptist Church tactic of volume over reason.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Cosmo said:

    polaris_x said:

    Cosmo said:

    I think this whole left/right thing is ridiculous because it is founded in political opinions. I think there are just those people out there on the fringes of the political spectrum that are out there with their extremist views for a reason... their views are extremist. They are way outside the world of reason, logic and the concept of compromise. What we should be doing is understanding these poeple for what they are... political extremists. That's what live out on the far sides of the spectrum... the fringe elements.
    Maybe, we should just ignore the politicaly insane out there in the political hinterlands and work on working together with the majority of people who just want our goverrnment to work for us.

    ya but your concept of political insanity is relative to your beliefs ... some may call me an extremist ... so, should i be ignored all the while the current system only favours the select? ...
    ...
    Well, if you really ARE an extremist who belives that anarchy should rule the day... or that we should stop doing what we are doing and revert back to hunter/gathereer societies... then, yes, I think your calls for anarchy or reversion to Neolithic times should be ignored.
    You may have strong political ideals, but you are a rational person who is willing to listen to opposing views and seek common ground to agree upon, right? If so, you are not an extremist.
    i believe in high taxation, i believe in "free" education and healthcare ... i believe that we (society) need to pay and bear the true costs of our economy including impacts to our environment ... i don't believe corporations are our job creators and i don't believe the economy is our number 1 priority ... these beliefs today make me an extremist ... sharing these beliefs gets you called a socialist (like apparently that's a bad thing) ... it gets you marginalized and people ignore you ...
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,957
    polaris_x said:

    Cosmo said:

    polaris_x said:

    Cosmo said:

    I think this whole left/right thing is ridiculous because it is founded in political opinions. I think there are just those people out there on the fringes of the political spectrum that are out there with their extremist views for a reason... their views are extremist. They are way outside the world of reason, logic and the concept of compromise. What we should be doing is understanding these poeple for what they are... political extremists. That's what live out on the far sides of the spectrum... the fringe elements.
    Maybe, we should just ignore the politicaly insane out there in the political hinterlands and work on working together with the majority of people who just want our goverrnment to work for us.

    ya but your concept of political insanity is relative to your beliefs ... some may call me an extremist ... so, should i be ignored all the while the current system only favours the select? ...
    ...
    Well, if you really ARE an extremist who belives that anarchy should rule the day... or that we should stop doing what we are doing and revert back to hunter/gathereer societies... then, yes, I think your calls for anarchy or reversion to Neolithic times should be ignored.
    You may have strong political ideals, but you are a rational person who is willing to listen to opposing views and seek common ground to agree upon, right? If so, you are not an extremist.
    i believe in high taxation, i believe in "free" education and healthcare ... i believe that we (society) need to pay and bear the true costs of our economy including impacts to our environment ... i don't believe corporations are our job creators and i don't believe the economy is our number 1 priority ... these beliefs today make me an extremist ... sharing these beliefs gets you called a socialist (like apparently that's a bad thing) ... it gets you marginalized and people ignore you ...
    I believe all the same things as you, and I don't consider myself an extremist at all, although I do consider my views Socialist (those two things aren't the same thing, are they??).... but we're in Canada. These views may be viewed as more extremist south of the border, since they are way further away from these ideals than Canada is (aside from the environment/economy not #1 parts). But even the NDP still maintain these values to some extent and they're a major party. So I wouldn't call you an extremist at all.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    edited March 2014
    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    Cosmo said:

    polaris_x said:

    Cosmo said:

    I think this whole left/right thing is ridiculous because it is founded in political opinions. I think there are just those people out there on the fringes of the political spectrum that are out there with their extremist views for a reason... their views are extremist. They are way outside the world of reason, logic and the concept of compromise. What we should be doing is understanding these poeple for what they are... political extremists. That's what live out on the far sides of the spectrum... the fringe elements.
    Maybe, we should just ignore the politicaly insane out there in the political hinterlands and work on working together with the majority of people who just want our goverrnment to work for us.

    ya but your concept of political insanity is relative to your beliefs ... some may call me an extremist ... so, should i be ignored all the while the current system only favours the select? ...
    ...
    Well, if you really ARE an extremist who belives that anarchy should rule the day... or that we should stop doing what we are doing and revert back to hunter/gathereer societies... then, yes, I think your calls for anarchy or reversion to Neolithic times should be ignored.
    You may have strong political ideals, but you are a rational person who is willing to listen to opposing views and seek common ground to agree upon, right? If so, you are not an extremist.
    i believe in high taxation, i believe in "free" education and healthcare ... i believe that we (society) need to pay and bear the true costs of our economy including impacts to our environment ... i don't believe corporations are our job creators and i don't believe the economy is our number 1 priority ... these beliefs today make me an extremist ... sharing these beliefs gets you called a socialist (like apparently that's a bad thing) ... it gets you marginalized and people ignore you ...
    I believe all the same things as you, and I don't consider myself an extremist at all, although I do consider my views Socialist (those two things aren't the same thing, are they??).... but we're in Canada. These views may be viewed as more extremist south of the border, since they are way further away from these ideals than Canada is (aside from the environment/economy not #1 parts). But even the NDP still maintain these values to some extent and they're a major party. So I wouldn't call you an extremist at all.
    as long as the ndp supports tar sands development - they are nowhere close to sharing my ideals ...

    i would shut it down ... extremist enough for you!? ... :\">
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    I think that your views make sense. That an Education and access to affordable health care are necessary if we want our nation to succeed. These thing are not free, so we should ALL contribute in the form of taxes. That doesn't sound extremist to me.
    As for corporations, they do create jobs... but, they aren't the only ones who create jobs. And while Corporations are comprised of (many) people... they (corporations) should not be considered people, the same way a church is not considered a person, rather, an organization comprised of people. And our govenment should concern themselves with what is best for our people... and quit placing corporate bottom lines as our highest priority.
    And money (the economy) should not be the thing we all hinge our hopes upon. We should not worship money in the manner that we currently do. Money should be considered a means, not a neccessity. Yes, we NEED money in order to pay for things... its the 'things' we spend our money on we should figure out as needs versus wants. A person may want an X-Box... that person does not NEED and X-Box.
    ...
    So, you and I agree on those points... and I'm about as middle of the road as the painted white line on your street. I understand that people do not agree with me... but, they are NOT my enemy. They are simply, another American that has a differeing political opinion.
    ...
    Now, if you believe all corporations should be disassembled... that's an extremeist view. I want the aircraft I fly over to Hawaii to be built by a large corporation, not a co-op commune in California's Central Valley.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,957
    edited March 2014
    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    Cosmo said:

    polaris_x said:

    Cosmo said:

    I think this whole left/right thing is ridiculous because it is founded in political opinions. I think there are just those people out there on the fringes of the political spectrum that are out there with their extremist views for a reason... their views are extremist. They are way outside the world of reason, logic and the concept of compromise. What we should be doing is understanding these poeple for what they are... political extremists. That's what live out on the far sides of the spectrum... the fringe elements.
    Maybe, we should just ignore the politicaly insane out there in the political hinterlands and work on working together with the majority of people who just want our goverrnment to work for us.

    ya but your concept of political insanity is relative to your beliefs ... some may call me an extremist ... so, should i be ignored all the while the current system only favours the select? ...
    ...
    Well, if you really ARE an extremist who belives that anarchy should rule the day... or that we should stop doing what we are doing and revert back to hunter/gathereer societies... then, yes, I think your calls for anarchy or reversion to Neolithic times should be ignored.
    You may have strong political ideals, but you are a rational person who is willing to listen to opposing views and seek common ground to agree upon, right? If so, you are not an extremist.
    i believe in high taxation, i believe in "free" education and healthcare ... i believe that we (society) need to pay and bear the true costs of our economy including impacts to our environment ... i don't believe corporations are our job creators and i don't believe the economy is our number 1 priority ... these beliefs today make me an extremist ... sharing these beliefs gets you called a socialist (like apparently that's a bad thing) ... it gets you marginalized and people ignore you ...
    I believe all the same things as you, and I don't consider myself an extremist at all, although I do consider my views Socialist (those two things aren't the same thing, are they??).... but we're in Canada. These views may be viewed as more extremist south of the border, since they are way further away from these ideals than Canada is (aside from the environment/economy not #1 parts). But even the NDP still maintain these values to some extent and they're a major party. So I wouldn't call you an extremist at all.
    as long as the ndp supports tar sands development - they are nowhere close to sharing my ideals ...

    i would shut it down ... extremist enough for you!? ... :\">
    I agree with you, so I still don't think you're extremist, but maybe I'm the wrong one to ask, lol... but I said the NDP maintain some of those ideals to some extent, not that they hold all of them.... there will never be a political party that meets every single requirement for people. We just have to try and vote for the one that matches our ideals most closely, or vote in a way that best votes against the party we see as the greatest threat, depending on the situation and our mindset. Anyway, my point is that our ideals aren't that far off the mainstream in Canada, anti-tar sands or not (and there are TONS of people in Canada who are against the tar sands, so I definitely would not consider that idea extremist... unless you live in Alberta probably ;) ).
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    if you get a chance ... watch the documentary inequality for all ... they address the point that corporations are in fact NOT job creators ... people are job creators ... our demand for goods and services create jobs ... if you look at the data ... corporations have been cutting jobs and stagnating salaries for the working class for decades meanwhile bonuses and executive salaries are skyrocketed ... the middle class is a dying breed and you can point a single solitary finger at corporations ...

    we may share similar beliefs in certain areas but I think the area (which i alluded to in my previous post) that makes me extremist is my position on the environment and how currently no one cares nor considers it in our public policy ... sure, it gets some lip service but at the end of the day ... people care more about their perceived economic security than preserving our true survival needs ... i'd ban gas powered cars within 10 years ... because using gas to drive our cars now is about as moronic as it gets ...
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,957
    I don't even drive a car, lol. Who's extremist now?! hahaha ;) :P
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    PJ_Soul said:

    I don't even drive a car, lol. Who's extremist now?! hahaha ;) :P

    ok ... i will give you probationary status ...
    B-)
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    Cosmo said:

    polaris_x said:

    Cosmo said:

    I think this whole left/right thing is ridiculous because it is founded in political opinions. I think there are just those people out there on the fringes of the political spectrum that are out there with their extremist views for a reason... their views are extremist. They are way outside the world of reason, logic and the concept of compromise. What we should be doing is understanding these poeple for what they are... political extremists. That's what live out on the far sides of the spectrum... the fringe elements.
    Maybe, we should just ignore the politicaly insane out there in the political hinterlands and work on working together with the majority of people who just want our goverrnment to work for us.

    ya but your concept of political insanity is relative to your beliefs ... some may call me an extremist ... so, should i be ignored all the while the current system only favours the select? ...
    ...
    Well, if you really ARE an extremist who belives that anarchy should rule the day... or that we should stop doing what we are doing and revert back to hunter/gathereer societies... then, yes, I think your calls for anarchy or reversion to Neolithic times should be ignored.
    You may have strong political ideals, but you are a rational person who is willing to listen to opposing views and seek common ground to agree upon, right? If so, you are not an extremist.
    i believe in high taxation, i believe in "free" education and healthcare ... i believe that we (society) need to pay and bear the true costs of our economy including impacts to our environment ... i don't believe corporations are our job creators and i don't believe the economy is our number 1 priority ... these beliefs today make me an extremist ... sharing these beliefs gets you called a socialist (like apparently that's a bad thing) ... it gets you marginalized and people ignore you ...
    I believe all the same things as you, and I don't consider myself an extremist at all, although I do consider my views Socialist (those two things aren't the same thing, are they??).... but we're in Canada. These views may be viewed as more extremist south of the border, since they are way further away from these ideals than Canada is (aside from the environment/economy not #1 parts). But even the NDP still maintain these values to some extent and they're a major party. So I wouldn't call you an extremist at all.
    as long as the ndp supports tar sands development - they are nowhere close to sharing my ideals ...

    i would shut it down ... extremist enough for you!? ... :\">
    I agree with you, so I still don't think you're extremist, but maybe I'm the wrong one to ask, lol... but I said the NDP maintain some of those ideals to some extent, not that they hold all of them.... there will never be a political party that meets every single requirement for people. We just have to try and vote for the one that matches our ideals most closely, or vote in a way that best votes against the party we see as the greatest threat, depending on the situation and our mindset. Anyway, my point is that our ideals aren't that far off the mainstream in Canada, anti-tar sands or not (and there are TONS of people in Canada who are against the tar sands, so I definitely would not consider that idea extremist... unless you live in Alberta probably ;) ).
    c'mon ... you tell anyone you would shut the tar sands down and you are not gonna be considered to be sharing a popular opinion ... frig ... i live in toronto and 4 of the 5 candidates for the mayoral election lean right ... my position is getting further and further away from the mainstream ...
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    At the end of the day there is absolutely no reason other than pure greed and self-interest above the interest of this country that our government should not be providing high quality, comprehensive healthcare to its citizens at a very affordable cost, if not free. Simple lack of political will from one of the richest countries in the world.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,957
    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    Cosmo said:

    polaris_x said:

    Cosmo said:

    I think this whole left/right thing is ridiculous because it is founded in political opinions. I think there are just those people out there on the fringes of the political spectrum that are out there with their extremist views for a reason... their views are extremist. They are way outside the world of reason, logic and the concept of compromise. What we should be doing is understanding these poeple for what they are... political extremists. That's what live out on the far sides of the spectrum... the fringe elements.
    Maybe, we should just ignore the politicaly insane out there in the political hinterlands and work on working together with the majority of people who just want our goverrnment to work for us.

    ya but your concept of political insanity is relative to your beliefs ... some may call me an extremist ... so, should i be ignored all the while the current system only favours the select? ...
    ...
    Well, if you really ARE an extremist who belives that anarchy should rule the day... or that we should stop doing what we are doing and revert back to hunter/gathereer societies... then, yes, I think your calls for anarchy or reversion to Neolithic times should be ignored.
    You may have strong political ideals, but you are a rational person who is willing to listen to opposing views and seek common ground to agree upon, right? If so, you are not an extremist.
    i believe in high taxation, i believe in "free" education and healthcare ... i believe that we (society) need to pay and bear the true costs of our economy including impacts to our environment ... i don't believe corporations are our job creators and i don't believe the economy is our number 1 priority ... these beliefs today make me an extremist ... sharing these beliefs gets you called a socialist (like apparently that's a bad thing) ... it gets you marginalized and people ignore you ...
    I believe all the same things as you, and I don't consider myself an extremist at all, although I do consider my views Socialist (those two things aren't the same thing, are they??).... but we're in Canada. These views may be viewed as more extremist south of the border, since they are way further away from these ideals than Canada is (aside from the environment/economy not #1 parts). But even the NDP still maintain these values to some extent and they're a major party. So I wouldn't call you an extremist at all.
    as long as the ndp supports tar sands development - they are nowhere close to sharing my ideals ...

    i would shut it down ... extremist enough for you!? ... :\">
    I agree with you, so I still don't think you're extremist, but maybe I'm the wrong one to ask, lol... but I said the NDP maintain some of those ideals to some extent, not that they hold all of them.... there will never be a political party that meets every single requirement for people. We just have to try and vote for the one that matches our ideals most closely, or vote in a way that best votes against the party we see as the greatest threat, depending on the situation and our mindset. Anyway, my point is that our ideals aren't that far off the mainstream in Canada, anti-tar sands or not (and there are TONS of people in Canada who are against the tar sands, so I definitely would not consider that idea extremist... unless you live in Alberta probably ;) ).
    c'mon ... you tell anyone you would shut the tar sands down and you are not gonna be considered to be sharing a popular opinion ... frig ... i live in toronto and 4 of the 5 candidates for the mayoral election lean right ... my position is getting further and further away from the mainstream ...
    Hmm, I dunno.... I guess the west coast leans farther left. It's not an uncommon opinion out here. It's not the majority opinion by any means, but certainly not unusual.
    I am an extremist among my own family members though, lol. My entire family is basically right wing. My dad is even a fucking climate change denier. image We don't talk about that anymore... it was going to ruin our relationship. image
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    Cosmo said:

    polaris_x said:

    Cosmo said:

    I think this whole left/right thing is ridiculous because it is founded in political opinions. I think there are just those people out there on the fringes of the political spectrum that are out there with their extremist views for a reason... their views are extremist. They are way outside the world of reason, logic and the concept of compromise. What we should be doing is understanding these poeple for what they are... political extremists. That's what live out on the far sides of the spectrum... the fringe elements.
    Maybe, we should just ignore the politicaly insane out there in the political hinterlands and work on working together with the majority of people who just want our goverrnment to work for us.

    ya but your concept of political insanity is relative to your beliefs ... some may call me an extremist ... so, should i be ignored all the while the current system only favours the select? ...
    ...
    Well, if you really ARE an extremist who belives that anarchy should rule the day... or that we should stop doing what we are doing and revert back to hunter/gathereer societies... then, yes, I think your calls for anarchy or reversion to Neolithic times should be ignored.
    You may have strong political ideals, but you are a rational person who is willing to listen to opposing views and seek common ground to agree upon, right? If so, you are not an extremist.
    i believe in high taxation, i believe in "free" education and healthcare ... i believe that we (society) need to pay and bear the true costs of our economy including impacts to our environment ... i don't believe corporations are our job creators and i don't believe the economy is our number 1 priority ... these beliefs today make me an extremist ... sharing these beliefs gets you called a socialist (like apparently that's a bad thing) ... it gets you marginalized and people ignore you ...
    I believe all the same things as you, and I don't consider myself an extremist at all, although I do consider my views Socialist (those two things aren't the same thing, are they??).... but we're in Canada. These views may be viewed as more extremist south of the border, since they are way further away from these ideals than Canada is (aside from the environment/economy not #1 parts). But even the NDP still maintain these values to some extent and they're a major party. So I wouldn't call you an extremist at all.
    as long as the ndp supports tar sands development - they are nowhere close to sharing my ideals ...

    i would shut it down ... extremist enough for you!? ... :\">
    I agree with you, so I still don't think you're extremist, but maybe I'm the wrong one to ask, lol... but I said the NDP maintain some of those ideals to some extent, not that they hold all of them.... there will never be a political party that meets every single requirement for people. We just have to try and vote for the one that matches our ideals most closely, or vote in a way that best votes against the party we see as the greatest threat, depending on the situation and our mindset. Anyway, my point is that our ideals aren't that far off the mainstream in Canada, anti-tar sands or not (and there are TONS of people in Canada who are against the tar sands, so I definitely would not consider that idea extremist... unless you live in Alberta probably ;) ).
    c'mon ... you tell anyone you would shut the tar sands down and you are not gonna be considered to be sharing a popular opinion ... frig ... i live in toronto and 4 of the 5 candidates for the mayoral election lean right ... my position is getting further and further away from the mainstream ...
    Hmm, I dunno.... I guess the west coast leans farther left. It's not an uncommon opinion out here. It's not the majority opinion by any means, but certainly not unusual.
    I am an extremist among my own family members though, lol. My entire family is basically right wing. My dad is even a fucking climate change denier. image We don't talk about that anymore... it was going to ruin our relationship. image
    there you go!
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    I think Godfather's a decent fella really. Just a bit misguided-misinformed.

    I'd like to see him spend a few months in Iran so he can see that the majority of people there are good people, much like any other.
    My Mum's fella pretty much the same - he spouts a lot of rascist shite, but his heart is basically good. He's just had his head filled with a lot of crap from the t.v and 'newspapers'. The best thing for him would be to get himself over to India for a few weeks to cure him of his bigoted bullshit.
  • GanjapleaseGanjaplease Posts: 65
    edited March 2014
    to say I lean to the left is a bit misleading. the political spectrum is circular. i'm so far left i'm a socialist, but so far right i'm a libertarian. they do meet up on teh other side, and yes it makes sense.,




    anarcho syndicalism/libertarian socialism/ whatever the label....i have some things in common withe tea party....although they need to shift a lot of that angst to corporations,who are influencing their govt that is spending so much. and I'm so far left that i believe we should share resources. if a logging company comes to my hometown, which they do every year, and clear cut entire hillsides....why shouldn't the sale of that lumber get put back into my community? those trees were taken from us, yeah? well fuckers gives tjhe trees or pay us at least. instead 1 guy who owns the company sees the profits while the community is left with stumps.


    its like that with any resource. if the resource is extracted from the community, the community should be in charge of how best to utilize that resource
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