prime example of the moronic use of the USA chant is watching hacksaw jim duggan rally the crowd at every jankass wwf tv appearance during the first gulf war... triple facepamlms...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
more embarrassing and worse, yes, but still the same system. The president isn't the only election, and as a whole we can't defeat the election system by voting for candidates selected by the system.
I had that opinion when I first came here too. I don't think it is necessarily the case though. I just think the same faces ranging slightly left of center to way left continue to stay here where as those that consider themselves conservatives in the NEO-Con sense tend to leave and are replaced by others. So you see the same names on the left, but not always on the right. But that is just an opinion that is a generalized oversimplification, like using the terms left and right to begin with.
As for myself, I feel like my opinions rankle both sides that leads me to believe I am on to something. Some people go issue by issue, some go by principle... I am not sure what I think is better...all too often those that believe they stand on principle bend those principles when it fits their own personal agenda. Like paying lipservice to wanting to shrink government when what you really mean I just want to shrink the size of the programs I disagree with. Standing on principle sometimes means that I personally will be negatively affected by what I advocate and the willingness to do that is what is missing from our elected officials.
Lean left or lean right doesn't matter to me, I stealth read these forums more than I participate anymore and I do so because multiple sides are represented (not always well mind you). The real observation people should make about the AMT is that well reasoned and well written posts come from someone who has thought about the issue and genuinely cares, left or right that is what I come here for...because I see them here more often than other places. There is more compassion and respect for the other "side" of an argument here than I have witnessed in my forum bouncing over the years.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
I had that opinion when I first came here too. I don't think it is necessarily the case though. I just think the same faces ranging slightly left of center to way left continue to stay here where as those that consider themselves conservatives in the NEO-Con sense tend to leave and are replaced by others. So you see the same names on the left, but not always on the right. But that is just an opinion that is a generalized oversimplification, like using the terms left and right to begin with.
That's funny, because I would say the same thing except in reverse. I feel like there are a few Neo-Cons who are always around, and the lefties drift in and out with more frequency. :-?
I think this is a pretty civil forum all around too..... I'm sure we generally have the mods to thank for that though. I think it would have spiraled out of control long ago if everyone wasn't under the threat of being banned, lol!
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I just want it known I participated. Rightly or wrongly. I was engaged in it. At least partially. Next election I would put a yard sign in that says . Vote. dont care who , dont care why. Just vote. be an active participant.
What's the point? By voting, you're just giving your consent to the current state of affairs. You're not 'contributing' to anything other than declaring your acceptance of one of two sides of the same coin - one of two shades of shit. It's a completely meaningless charade, and has nothing to do with active participation. Placing a tick in a box on a piece of paper once every four years, and declaring your choice between two different representatives of big business - whose job is to serve the interests of the wealthy elites, and who couldn't give a fuck about the needs of the people - does not constitute 'active participation'.
We could have McCain and Palin running things. Good people voted.
they are different features of the same machine. Of course nobody wants to see Palin in power, and Mitt was trying to start war with Iran from the damn campaign stump, but they serve the same masters. Bush voted bailout and so did Obama. Now Eric Holder tells the banks "you are too big to face any consequences for your actions, go gamble and launder money for terrorists, and while youre at it, hold our entire economy hostage." paraphrased of course. The point stands, voting is a spectacle.
Agree shit sandwich either way but we're better off w Obama in office. Didn't send troops into Libya or Syria, repealed DADT, let Colorado and Washington do their thing and best part pissed off cracker Honkeys. Saved auto industry and economy back on track. Would it be great if everyone stayed at home, sure. Just not going to happen.
) this place is like a hippie camp from the 60's and when war started many of them ran with their tales between their between thier legs to canada.
Godfather.
and the drones march off to kill babies. I would prefer canada to murder but we all make our choices Godfather, don't we?
killing babies.....now there's an age old comeback, kinda of odd though if we think about abortion,how many people use that come-back "killing babies" that have had or been involved with an abortion ?...I wonder. we all like to believe our idea's of peace and war but many of don't realize that we violate our own beliefs right here on the home front,I'm not saying that you do but for a large part I'd bet a lot of people bend the rules for them selfs or their personal secrete lifes...you know the ghost in the closet type thing,and I'm called a bigot LOL!!! again man I'm not saying that you are any of these thing but your post has me thinking about the real life and so called beliefs of people that make accusations about things they have never experianced , we can all watch the news and cast judgement or cry foul but I would think it's not a fair call unless you have lived it. that's my babble for the morning.....hahhahhahhahhha.
) this place is like a hippie camp from the 60's and when war started many of them ran with their tales between their between thier legs to canada.
Godfather.
The anti-war movement was mostly run by veterans who had served their time in Vietnam.
But then I expect you wouldn't know that from watching the t.v.
some or mostly ? "mostly run by veterans who had served their time in Vietnam." here's challenge,prove that statement with more than a artical from the Blaze my friend.
Agree shit sandwich either way but we're better off w Obama in office. Didn't send troops into Libya or Syria, repealed DADT, let Colorado and Washington do their thing and best part pissed off cracker Honkeys. Saved auto industry and economy back on track. Would it be great if everyone stayed at home, sure. Just not going to happen.
Not sending troops in Libya or Syria does in no way justify the actions we took and are taking in those places. We've supplied BILLIONS of dollars in aid to al-Qaeda backed rebels in both countries. If you think that people haven't been on the ground then I think you need to do better research. Having the CIA on the ground is no different than having the Army there.
We always make things our business when we have none.
) this place is like a hippie camp from the 60's and when war started many of them ran with their tales between their between thier legs to canada.
Godfather.
The anti-war movement was mostly run by veterans who had served their time in Vietnam.
But then I expect you wouldn't know that from watching the t.v.
some or mostly ? "mostly run by veterans who had served their time in Vietnam." here's challenge,prove that statement with more than a artical from the Blaze my friend.
Godfather.
http://www.vvaw.org/about/ Vietnam Veterans Against the War, Inc. (VVAW) is a national veterans' organization that was founded in New York City in 1967 after six Vietnam vets marched together in a peace demonstration. It was organized to voice the growing opposition among returning servicemen and women to the still-raging war in Indochina, and grew rapidly to a membership of over 30,000 throughout the United States as well as active duty GIs stationed in Vietnam. Through ongoing actions and grassroots organization, VVAW exposed the ugly truth about US involvement in Southeast Asia and our first-hand experiences helped many other Americans to see the unjust nature of that war.
VVAW quickly took up the struggle for the rights and needs of veterans. In 1970, we started the first rap groups to deal with traumatic after-effects of war, setting the example for readjustment counselling at Vet Centers now. We exposed the shameful neglect of many disabled vets in VA Hospitals and helped draft legislation to improve educational benefits and create job programs. VVAW fought for amnesty for war resisters, including vets with bad discharges. We helped make known the negative health effects of exposure to chemical defoliants and the VA's attempts to cover-up these conditions as well as their continued refusal to provide treatment and compensation for many Agent Orange Victims.
http://www.isreview.org/issues/22/feat-franklin.shtml Thousands of veterans who had fought in Vietnam moved to the forefront of the antiwar movement after they returned to the United States, and they-together with thousands of active-duty GIs-soon began to play a crucial role in the domestic movement. Dozens of teach-ins on college campuses were led by Vietnam veterans, who spoke at hundreds of rallies. More and more demonstrations were led by large contingents of veterans and active-duty servicepeople, who often participated under risk of grave punishment. The vanguard of that Washington demonstration by half a million people in the spring of 1971 was a contingent of a thousand Vietnam veterans, many in wheelchairs and on crutches, who then conducted “a limited incursion into the country of Congress,” which they called Dewey Canyon III (Dewey Canyon I was a 1969 covert “incursion” into Laos; Dewey Canyon II was the disastrous February 1971 invasion of Laos). About 800 marched up to a barricade hastily erected to keep them away from the Capitol and hurled back their Purple Hearts, Bronze Stars, Silver Stars, and campaign ribbons at the government that had bestowed them.
The antiwar movement initiated back in 1945 by those hundreds of merchant seamen protesting U.S. participation in the French attempt to reconquer Vietnam was thus consummated in a movement of tens of millions of ordinary American citizens spearheaded by soldiers, sailors, fliers, and veterans, which finally ended the war with a recognition that Vietnam could be neither divided nor conquered by the United States.
In January 1971, VVAW sponsored The Winter Soldier Investigation to gather and present testimony from soldiers about war crimes being committed in Southeast Asia and demonstrate they were committed as a result of American war policies. Intended as a public event, it was boycotted by much of the mainstream media, although the Detroit Free Press covered it daily and immediately began investigating what was being said. No records of fraudulent participants or fraudulent testimony were produced.[13]
Veterans applying for participation in the investigation were asked if they witnessed or participated in a list of transgressions, including search and destroy missions, crop destruction, and POW mistreatment.[14]
This event was estimated to have cost the VVAW $50,000–$75,000.[15] It was financially supported by the fund-raising efforts of several celebrity peace activists, with actress Jane Fonda soliciting over $10,000 in donations at 54 college campuses for the VVAW.[16] Winter Soldier Investigation testimonies were read into the Congressional Record by Senator Mark Hatfield (R-OR). In 1972, VVAW continued antiwar protests, and released Winter Soldier, a 16mm black-and-white documentary film showing participants giving testimony at the 1971 hearing, as well as footage of the Dewey Canyon III week of protest events. This film is currently on limited distribution and is now available on DVD.
This feature-length documentary focuses on the efforts by troops in the U.S. military during the Vietnam War to oppose the war effort by peaceful demonstration and subversion. It speaks mainly to veterans, but serves as a ready reminder to civilians that soldiers may oppose war as stridently as any civilian, and at greater personal peril.
yeah yeah abortion yada yada i could try to teach you basic science and vocabulary on the diference but...thats just stale... The war chant will always be opposed by the dead baby chant because some people are empathic and some people are assholes!
yeah yeah abortion yada yada i could try to teach you basic science and vocabulary on the diference but...thats just stale... The war chant will always be opposed by the dead baby chant because some people are empathic and some people are assholes!
Agree shit sandwich either way but we're better off w Obama in office. Didn't send troops into Libya or Syria, repealed DADT, let Colorado and Washington do their thing and best part pissed off cracker Honkeys. Saved auto industry and economy back on track. Would it be great if everyone stayed at home, sure. Just not going to happen.
Not sending troops in Libya or Syria does in no way justify the actions we took and are taking in those places. We've supplied BILLIONS of dollars in aid to al-Qaeda backed rebels in both countries. If you think that people haven't been on the ground then I think you need to do better research. Having the CIA on the ground is no different than having the Army there.
We always make things our business when we have none.
Have no doubts we had and continue to have people on the ground. But we didn't invade and put Us troops on the ground. Big difference. Saved us billions of dollars. Should we have done nothing?? I'm on the don't meddle and we shouldn't be the worlds cops side. Your thoughts on our responsibilities?
) this place is like a hippie camp from the 60's and when war started many of them ran with their tales between their between thier legs to canada.
Godfather.
... Question: How old were you in 1965? Question: If you were 18 years old in 1965, would your above statement still be the same? Thanx.
I was 5 yrs old, when I turned 18 we still had to go the post office and regester for the draft and I remember very clearly being scared a little but I new then that I would never run and hide,that's just not and never has been in my blood...but like I said I still remember the fear that day,my biggest fear after that was getting a hair cut if I had to go.hahhahhahhah
) this place is like a hippie camp from the 60's and when war started many of them ran with their tales between their between thier legs to canada.
Godfather.
... Question: How old were you in 1965? Question: If you were 18 years old in 1965, would your above statement still be the same? Thanx.
I was 5 yrs old, when I turned 18 we still had to go the post office and regester for the draft and I remember very clearly being scared a little but I new then that I would never run and hide,that's just not and never has been in my blood...but like I said I still remember the fear that day,my biggest fear after that was getting a hair cut if I had to go.hahhahhahhah
Godfather.
... So, in 1978, you had to register with the Draft Board. You know, the draft had ended by then, right? The last lottery was in 1976... i know because my name was tossed into the hat. No new draft orders were issued after 1972. You also understand that the war in Viet Nam was long over, correct? You say you were afraid of a haircut, but you wouldn't have been shitting bricks if you were of draft age in 1965, where you would have likely ended up in Viet Nam? You were affraid of... registering with the Selective Service Board... but, you would not have been afraid of getting shipped off to Viet Nam?!?!? REALLY?!?!? ... With the advantage of hindsight... what good do you believe came out of Viet Nam? Why did all of those men have to die? What did we accomplish? Was it worth it?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
) this place is like a hippie camp from the 60's and when war started many of them ran with their tales between their between thier legs to canada.
Godfather.
... Question: How old were you in 1965? Question: If you were 18 years old in 1965, would your above statement still be the same? Thanx.
I was 5 yrs old, when I turned 18 we still had to go the post office and regester for the draft and I remember very clearly being scared a little but I new then that I would never run and hide,that's just not and never has been in my blood...but like I said I still remember the fear that day,my biggest fear after that was getting a hair cut if I had to go.hahhahhahhah
Godfather.
... So, in 1978, you had to register with the Draft Board. You know, the draft had ended by then, right? The last lottery was in 1976... i know because my name was tossed into the hat. No new draft orders were issued after 1972. You also understand that the war in Viet Nam was long over, correct? You say you were afraid of a haircut, but you wouldn't have been shitting bricks if you were of draft age in 1965, where you would have likely ended up in Viet Nam? You were affraid of... registering with the Selective Service Board... but, you would not have been afraid of getting shipped off to Viet Nam?!?!? REALLY?!?!? ... With the advantage of hindsight... what good do you believe came out of Viet Nam? Why did all of those men have to die? What did we accomplish? Was it worth it?
Believe GF is referring to having to register for "selective service". Did it as well. I'm not the only old fker here. 8-X
) this place is like a hippie camp from the 60's and when war started many of them ran with their tales between their between thier legs to canada.
Godfather.
... Question: How old were you in 1965? Question: If you were 18 years old in 1965, would your above statement still be the same? Thanx.
I was 5 yrs old, when I turned 18 we still had to go the post office and regester for the draft and I remember very clearly being scared a little but I new then that I would never run and hide,that's just not and never has been in my blood...but like I said I still remember the fear that day,my biggest fear after that was getting a hair cut if I had to go.hahhahhahhah
Godfather.
GF. But if you know the war is a sham, and I'm not referring to any in past but a new conflict. For instance, Obama wants to invade Nigeria to get his family out of jail and make it a new state receiving full entitlements.
Would you still report for duty and get your hair cut?
families living a simple life in villages in valleys or in mountains where they are bombed to smithereens on purpose or by mistake are referred to as 'collateral damage' as they are poor & hungry cilvilians. this is quite different than the abortion on a few weeks old embryo or fetus or whatever they're called
"mostly run by veterans who had served their time in Vietnam." here's challenge,prove that statement with more than a artical from the Blaze my friend.
) this place is like a hippie camp from the 60's and when war started many of them ran with their tales between their between thier legs to canada.
Godfather.
... Question: How old were you in 1965? Question: If you were 18 years old in 1965, would your above statement still be the same? Thanx.
I was 5 yrs old, when I turned 18 we still had to go the post office and regester for the draft and I remember very clearly being scared a little but I new then that I would never run and hide,that's just not and never has been in my blood...but like I said I still remember the fear that day,my biggest fear after that was getting a hair cut if I had to go.hahhahhahhah
Godfather.
... So, in 1978, you had to register with the Draft Board. You know, the draft had ended by then, right? The last lottery was in 1976... i know because my name was tossed into the hat. No new draft orders were issued after 1972. You also understand that the war in Viet Nam was long over, correct? You say you were afraid of a haircut, but you wouldn't have been shitting bricks if you were of draft age in 1965, where you would have likely ended up in Viet Nam? You were affraid of... registering with the Selective Service Board... but, you would not have been afraid of getting shipped off to Viet Nam?!?!? REALLY?!?!? ... With the advantage of hindsight... what good do you believe came out of Viet Nam? Why did all of those men have to die? What did we accomplish? Was it worth it?
yes I know there was no draft...fear is a funny thing, my point was I still had to regester, what did we accomplish ? the testing of new weapons man everybody knows that and I never said that war was right wrong or other wise,but dodging the draft...REALLY ??
yeah really. It's called standing for your principles and draft dodgers are American heroes. They sacrifice for what is right. If you don't think the cause is just and yet you let the authorities bully you into submission you are the true coward and you know it. That is precisely why "supporters" detest dissidents, because supporters are ignorant, or they are shamed by the courage of those who stood strong when the masters of war demanded their submission.
I was 5 yrs old, when I turned 18 we still had to go the post office and regester for the draft and I remember very clearly being scared a little but I new then that I would never run and hide,that's just not and never has been in my blood...but like I said I still remember the fear that day,my biggest fear after that was getting a hair cut if I had to go.hahhahhahhah
Godfather.
... So, in 1978, you had to register with the Draft Board. You know, the draft had ended by then, right? The last lottery was in 1976... i know because my name was tossed into the hat. No new draft orders were issued after 1972. You also understand that the war in Viet Nam was long over, correct? You say you were afraid of a haircut, but you wouldn't have been shitting bricks if you were of draft age in 1965, where you would have likely ended up in Viet Nam? You were affraid of... registering with the Selective Service Board... but, you would not have been afraid of getting shipped off to Viet Nam?!?!? REALLY?!?!? ... With the advantage of hindsight... what good do you believe came out of Viet Nam? Why did all of those men have to die? What did we accomplish? Was it worth it?
yes I know there was no draft...fear is a funny thing, my point was I still had to regester, what did we accomplish ? the testing of new weapons man everybody knows that and I never said that war was right wrong or other wise,but dodging the draft...REALLY ?? Godfather.
... Seriously, sir... that's what you came up with? You realise, people STILL have to register with the Selective Service Board today, right? Do you think they are afraid? There is still no draft. It's been that way since 1977 Also... and Testing New Weapons was accomplished... that was the good thing that came out of Viet Nam? You would have gone to Viet Nam to risk your life so we could test out new weapons? I'm sorry, sir... but I don't believe you are that stupid. Because only stupid people would go to war, just so the Pentagon could test out new weapons. ... And ask your Viet Nam veteran buddies if it was worth with losing the lives of their brothers in arms in Viet Nam, so Bell Aircraft could test out the effectiveness of the UH-1.
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Godfather.
and the drones march off to kill babies. I would prefer canada to murder but we all make our choices Godfather, don't we?
As for myself, I feel like my opinions rankle both sides that leads me to believe I am on to something. Some people go issue by issue, some go by principle...
I am not sure what I think is better...all too often those that believe they stand on principle bend those principles when it fits their own personal agenda. Like paying lipservice to wanting to shrink government when what you really mean I just want to shrink the size of the programs I disagree with. Standing on principle sometimes means that I personally will be negatively affected by what I advocate and the willingness to do that is what is missing from our elected officials.
Lean left or lean right doesn't matter to me, I stealth read these forums more than I participate anymore and I do so because multiple sides are represented (not always well mind you). The real observation people should make about the AMT is that well reasoned and well written posts come from someone who has thought about the issue and genuinely cares, left or right that is what I come here for...because I see them here more often than other places. There is more compassion and respect for the other "side" of an argument here than I have witnessed in my forum bouncing over the years.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
I think this is a pretty civil forum all around too..... I'm sure we generally have the mods to thank for that though. I think it would have spiraled out of control long ago if everyone wasn't under the threat of being banned, lol!
But then I expect you wouldn't know that from watching the t.v.
that's my babble for the morning.....hahhahhahhahhha.
Godfather.
Godfather.
Godfather.
my comment was said kind of tongue in cheek ...
We always make things our business when we have none.
Vietnam Veterans Against the War, Inc. (VVAW) is a national veterans' organization that was founded in New York City in 1967 after six Vietnam vets marched together in a peace demonstration. It was organized to voice the growing opposition among returning servicemen and women to the still-raging war in Indochina, and grew rapidly to a membership of over 30,000 throughout the United States as well as active duty GIs stationed in Vietnam. Through ongoing actions and grassroots organization, VVAW exposed the ugly truth about US involvement in Southeast Asia and our first-hand experiences helped many other Americans to see the unjust nature of that war.
VVAW quickly took up the struggle for the rights and needs of veterans. In 1970, we started the first rap groups to deal with traumatic after-effects of war, setting the example for readjustment counselling at Vet Centers now. We exposed the shameful neglect of many disabled vets in VA Hospitals and helped draft legislation to improve educational benefits and create job programs. VVAW fought for amnesty for war resisters, including vets with bad discharges. We helped make known the negative health effects of exposure to chemical defoliants and the VA's attempts to cover-up these conditions as well as their continued refusal to provide treatment and compensation for many Agent Orange Victims.
http://www.isreview.org/issues/22/feat-franklin.shtml
Thousands of veterans who had fought in Vietnam moved to the forefront of the antiwar movement after they returned to the United States, and they-together with thousands of active-duty GIs-soon began to play a crucial role in the domestic movement. Dozens of teach-ins on college campuses were led by Vietnam veterans, who spoke at hundreds of rallies. More and more demonstrations were led by large contingents of veterans and active-duty servicepeople, who often participated under risk of grave punishment. The vanguard of that Washington demonstration by half a million people in the spring of 1971 was a contingent of a thousand Vietnam veterans, many in wheelchairs and on crutches, who then conducted “a limited incursion into the country of Congress,” which they called Dewey Canyon III (Dewey Canyon I was a 1969 covert “incursion” into Laos; Dewey Canyon II was the disastrous February 1971 invasion of Laos). About 800 marched up to a barricade hastily erected to keep them away from the Capitol and hurled back their Purple Hearts, Bronze Stars, Silver Stars, and campaign ribbons at the government that had bestowed them.
The antiwar movement initiated back in 1945 by those hundreds of merchant seamen protesting U.S. participation in the French attempt to reconquer Vietnam was thus consummated in a movement of tens of millions of ordinary American citizens spearheaded by soldiers, sailors, fliers, and veterans, which finally ended the war with a recognition that Vietnam could be neither divided nor conquered by the United States.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_Veterans_Against_the_War
Winter Soldier Investigation
In January 1971, VVAW sponsored The Winter Soldier Investigation to gather and present testimony from soldiers about war crimes being committed in Southeast Asia and demonstrate they were committed as a result of American war policies. Intended as a public event, it was boycotted by much of the mainstream media, although the Detroit Free Press covered it daily and immediately began investigating what was being said. No records of fraudulent participants or fraudulent testimony were produced.[13]
Veterans applying for participation in the investigation were asked if they witnessed or participated in a list of transgressions, including search and destroy missions, crop destruction, and POW mistreatment.[14]
This event was estimated to have cost the VVAW $50,000–$75,000.[15] It was financially supported by the fund-raising efforts of several celebrity peace activists, with actress Jane Fonda soliciting over $10,000 in donations at 54 college campuses for the VVAW.[16] Winter Soldier Investigation testimonies were read into the Congressional Record by Senator Mark Hatfield (R-OR). In 1972, VVAW continued antiwar protests, and released Winter Soldier, a 16mm black-and-white documentary film showing participants giving testimony at the 1971 hearing, as well as footage of the Dewey Canyon III week of protest events. This film is currently on limited distribution and is now available on DVD.
This feature-length documentary focuses on the efforts by troops in the U.S. military during the Vietnam War to oppose the war effort by peaceful demonstration and subversion. It speaks mainly to veterans, but serves as a ready reminder to civilians that soldiers may oppose war as stridently as any civilian, and at greater personal peril.
Sir! No Sir!:
The war chant will always be opposed by the dead baby chant because some people are empathic and some people are assholes!
The war chant will always be opposed by the dead baby chant because some people are empathic and some people are assholes!
hahhahhaha love it man !!!!
Godfather.
Question: How old were you in 1965?
Question: If you were 18 years old in 1965, would your above statement still be the same?
Thanx.
Hail, Hail!!!
Godfather.
So, in 1978, you had to register with the Draft Board. You know, the draft had ended by then, right? The last lottery was in 1976... i know because my name was tossed into the hat. No new draft orders were issued after 1972.
You also understand that the war in Viet Nam was long over, correct?
You say you were afraid of a haircut, but you wouldn't have been shitting bricks if you were of draft age in 1965, where you would have likely ended up in Viet Nam? You were affraid of... registering with the Selective Service Board... but, you would not have been afraid of getting shipped off to Viet Nam?!?!? REALLY?!?!?
...
With the advantage of hindsight... what good do you believe came out of Viet Nam? Why did all of those men have to die? What did we accomplish? Was it worth it?
Hail, Hail!!!
Would you still report for duty and get your hair cut?
I wouldn't.
http://cursor.org/stories/civilian_deaths.htm
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Any questions?
yes I know there was no draft...fear is a funny thing, my point was I still had to regester, what did we accomplish ? the testing of new weapons man everybody knows that and I never said that war was right wrong or other wise,but dodging the draft...REALLY ??
Godfather.
Seriously, sir... that's what you came up with?
You realise, people STILL have to register with the Selective Service Board today, right? Do you think they are afraid? There is still no draft. It's been that way since 1977
Also... and Testing New Weapons was accomplished... that was the good thing that came out of Viet Nam? You would have gone to Viet Nam to risk your life so we could test out new weapons?
I'm sorry, sir... but I don't believe you are that stupid. Because only stupid people would go to war, just so the Pentagon could test out new weapons.
...
And ask your Viet Nam veteran buddies if it was worth with losing the lives of their brothers in arms in Viet Nam, so Bell Aircraft could test out the effectiveness of the UH-1.
Hail, Hail!!!