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Lots of people lean to the left here huh?

mattsl1983mattsl1983 Posts: 711
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After reading many posts and comments, it is very noticeable that this page leans to the left. Just an observation.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,051
    If Neil Young and Crazy Horse or Mission of Burma or R.E.M. or Green Day or any other number of other bands had an AMT-like forum section the same would likely be true- pretty much left-leaning. If you want a right leaning forum you might try the Ted Nugent or Kid Rock or any number of Kountry star's forums.
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
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  • goingtoveronagoingtoverona Posts: 616
    I've never based my political opinions around what a band believes, and I've never chosen my music based on what a band or singer believes. good music is good music.
    if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Just an observation ? coming from a guy that ...is accused of leaning to the right I can just say pick yoyr side now,i noticed you are fairly new judging by your 196 posts and unless you have the stones to stand up for what you believe in this left leaning tribe will eat you up :)) good luck my friend.

    Godfather.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,604
    I am a centrist independent. I'll lean the way I think fits the situation according to what I believe personally and what may be best for the country as a whole. Not always are those two things compatible. Meaning I tend to lean toward what I think is best for the country as a whole even if it doesnt benefit me or perhaps would "harm" me .


    Like a modest increase in taxes that the revenue from goes directly to the DEBT to reduce interest and pay that fucker down and off. Can be used for nothing else or it doesnt get collected. In the meantime reduce the budget deficit as well. To me it makes NO SOUND business sense to throw money away in interest payments without paying down principle and continue to spend more than you make.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,051
    Personally, I lean forward... just enough so as to keep my momentum but not so much as to fall flat on my face.
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    I have no label for myself. My stances on most issues - some of which have changed over time - are pretty much guided by common sense and compassion...sometimes by selfishness too.

    I'm also with mickeyrat on the last part of his post.
  • goingtoveronagoingtoverona Posts: 616
    @ godfather, personally I think we should do away with "sides". no more liberal/conservative, no more republican or democrat. if everyone is independent, then a person would actually have to find out about another persons beliefs rather than oh well if you're a democrat you must believe the opposite shit I believe in because i'm a republican and vice versa. I don't want to be given the title of republican because I love guns as much as I don't want to be given the title of a democrat for loving weed.
    if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    I lean left when I slice my tee shot down the fairway. It rarely does me any good.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,051
    Jason P said:

    I lean left when I slice my tee shot down the fairway. It rarely does me any good.

    Jason P, I don't think you're taking this thread very seriously. You know your supposed to bend your knees and elbows and pivot at the waist, not lean!
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  • g under pg under p Posts: 18,196
    brianlux said:

    Jason P said:

    I lean left when I slice my tee shot down the fairway. It rarely does me any good.

    Jason P, I don't think you're taking this thread very seriously. You know your supposed to bend your knees and elbows and pivot at the waist, not lean!
    True and an excellent observation....as for I lean forward when I have to go, that's the best way for me to lean. We all must understand we are talking about politicians and they are in the bis business mostly for themselves and their EGOS.

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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,051
    g under p said:

    brianlux said:

    Jason P said:

    I lean left when I slice my tee shot down the fairway. It rarely does me any good.

    Jason P, I don't think you're taking this thread very seriously. You know your supposed to bend your knees and elbows and pivot at the waist, not lean!
    True and an excellent observation....as for I lean forward when I have to go, that's the best way for me to lean. We all must understand we are talking about politicians and they are in the bis business mostly for themselves and their EGOS.

    Peace
    ^^^That is so true, g under p and I find I'm going back to what I once believed which is that those very politicians want us to lean any way but forward so as to keep us off balance. Not saying there aren't some very caring, altruistic and/or responsible politicians but those are becoming more and more scarce.

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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    Keep up with the tips ... I just bought a bunch of new clubs and as far as I can tell they are defective. I thought they would help me lean right but it's worse then ever. I'm a left leaning son of a bitch and all I can do is watch the ball fly right into the side of the fucking mountainside ....

    I'm out like $900 bucks and that fucking white ball taunts me! Go to your home!
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    goingtoverona said:

    @ godfather, personally I think we should do away with "sides". no more liberal/conservative, no more republican or democrat. if everyone is independent, then a person would actually have to find out about another persons beliefs rather than oh well if you're a democrat you must believe the opposite shit I believe in because i'm a republican and vice versa. I don't want to be given the title of republican because I love guns as much as I don't want to be given the title of a democrat for loving weed.

    well said,Agreed.

    Godfather.

  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Lean? More like stampede.
  • jmuscatellojmuscatello Posts: 332
    Maybe just the tiniest lean slightly left of center. Yet it's amazing how everyone here is always open-minded, fair and accepting of the opinions of racists, homophobes, Bible-thumpers, gun fondlers, pro-lifers, war mongers, pot legalization foes, capitalist exploiters and polluters, big oil, human rights abusers, the Catholic Church, and Taylor Swift fans. It's one big love fest here, always.
  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    i really haven't a clue what leaning R or L even means. help me out here, which am i?
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  • jmuscatellojmuscatello Posts: 332
    chadwick said:

    i really haven't a clue what leaning R or L even means. help me out here, which am i?

    If this was gym class picking teams I bet you'd be picked for the more liberal Lefties team on most of the social issues at least. But like probably most here, there are some issues you'd want to play on the conservative Right team... an issue by issue kinda guy. And that's admirable. Just my guess based on your posts.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    left is dumb.. its forward or back. we lean forward like lux said.
    Pearl Jam is progressive. they want a better, more equitable world.
    so do most of us. we don't always agree on everything, but we almost all agree that greed, hatin, and violence, need to be replaced with humility, empathy, and compassion.
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Why limit to only forward or back? And who determines which is which?

    What's wrong with a little side-to-side action? Various shades and all that shit.

    Politics, life, our personal evolutions - certainly not either/or...black or white.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    hedonist said:

    Why limit to only forward or back? And who determines which is which?

    What's wrong with a little side-to-side action? Various shades and all that shit.

    Politics, life, our personal evolutions - certainly not either/or...black or white.

    this is AMT! trains don't go side to side lol
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    humor aside, clearly conservatism and progressiveness each have an aim, implicit in it's name. standing still or moving toward compassion. the arguments only occur on the smallest of details.
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    it's all relative ... i would say most people on here are centrists in my political spectrum ... only a few true lefties ...
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    But one can be both conservative and compassionate; the qualities don't cancel each other, at least from here. Neither is a sole driving force for me (and, I'd hope, for others). Logic plays a part too, no? Common sense?

    Again, it seems to be an either/or thing, and I just don't see it that way.

    But, I get that others do.
  • jmuscatellojmuscatello Posts: 332
    edited March 2014
    There must be some research out there regarding political leanings and personality type. Like Myers-Briggs, etc. When I worked for a big company years ago, a group of 40 of us took it a couple of times, and there were definite trends that jumped out. The conservatives were more likely to be ISTJs, as were the engineers. Political progressives tended to be ENTPs, and included most of the earth scientists. The earth scientists all had advanced degrees for the job, so I also wondered if the typically-liberal grad school experience was part of the equation too. Could be a trillion different factors, and obviously not statistically significant, but still kinda interesting.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,957
    edited March 2014
    Very politically outspoken left-wing band = left-leaning fan base. Makes sense (and btw, I disagree that the fan base is centrist. I think it's quite clearly left-leaning if we're talking averages). I often wonder about right-wingers who are 10C members... doesn't make too much sense to me. Why would someone be a massive fan of a band when their very clear message - including that which is within their music in so many cases - go against what they believe in? :-/ I would NEVER be a big fan of a band that was very politically driven and outspoken and right wing. As someone who is left wing, why would I?? That wouldn't make any sense.

    But I totally agree that people should pick their stance depending on the issue. For the most part I go very left on most issues, but not all (not quite). There are a couple of issues where I'd agree with the right for the most part (although the right has a knack for fucking things up even when they're right.... like by throwing some anti-abortion law into some bill about longer prison terms for violent offenders, lol). But there is one major problem with swinging wildly between right and left when it comes to political/economic issues: The political parties aren't like that AT ALL. And even if you have more than 2 major parties, that's pretty useless, because that just splits the vote and everyone's even more fucked than if there were a two party system. ~X(
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,957
    polaris_x said:

    it's all relative ... i would say most people on here are centrists in my political spectrum ... only a few true lefties ...

    :-h
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  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    mine leans to the right
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    I have no idea what I am...
    I admit that I am Pro-Choice... but, don't buy into the bullshit that I'm pro-abortion. I would HOPE the choice that is made would be other available options and hope that abortion is the last resort... but, I will not be the one to make that call. That is her decision.. her choice. Not mine.. not yours... not our government's decision. and i will protect that right for her to choose. Also, if you claim to be Pro-Life... and support Death Penalties and War... you are not Pro-Life. Just admit it.. you are Anti-Abortion.
    I am a believer in 2nd Amendment Rights... but, I also believe that those that choose to exercise that right MUST be held responsile and accountable for that choice. And just because anybody CAN own a gun does not mean that everybody SHOULD OWN a gun. We have a lot of citizens that shouldn't be trusted with a gun. Don't believe me? Walk through your local Wal-Mart on a Saturday and tell me you'd feel safer if everyone in there had a loaded gun on them.
    I believe in a strong, efficient military. Used only in defense of our nation... not our corporation's best interests. We don't need to build more tanks if our Army doesn't want more tanks. Spend the money elsewhere.
    I've voted for and will continue to vote for both Republican and Democratic candidates. i have come to understand it has always been a choice between shit or crap... i simply vote for the shit or crap that is the smaller portion and stinks less. We are a long way from a viable Third Party alternative.
    I believe in the free market... but I KNOW the players in the market cannot be trusted. They are worse than our politicians when it comes to ethics. Look at our banking and financial systems and tell me you trust them... if you do, i'll call you a fool. If they were trustworthy, there would be no need for regulation. Regulation comes about because of their greed and the shit they pull on us.
    I believe that we should take a humanitarian approach to the imigration issue. Like them or not, they are STILL Human beings... as much as you believe in your superiority over them. They should be treated as humans and we should work with Mexico, Guatemala and the other Central American countries to solve the issue. I understand that our retail/service based economy depends on their hard work. Yes, HARD WORK. Don't believe me? Pick strawberries for a week on their pay and get back to me on that.
    I believe America can and should lead... but, how about we lead by example, rather than going for the military option every fucking time? i don't know about you... but, i'm tired of being the World's Police.
    I believe in science. I know that science doesn't know everything and does not have all of the answers... because science admits to me that it does not know everything and does not have all of the answers. I also know that science is science and religion is religion and they are not opposing teams and you can still have faith in a religion and understand that evolution is part of the scientific process. i oppose any one religion granted privilege over all others... even if it were my religion... which I don't have. But, just because i don't have religion, doesn't mean you shouldn't have one... of your choosing, not the state's.
    Finally, i believe the television is for entertainment purposes, only. It's for Hockey games and Baseball and whatever... except as a place where you form your opinion. If you get your political opinions from a television news celebrities... be it Bill O'Rielly or Rachel Maddow or Sean Hannity or Ann Coulter or whomever is trying to sell their current book... i'm sorry, but you are an idiot. Form your opinion on facts, not on some shit you hear on the T.V. You were given a brain.. fucking use it. Don't just fill it with other people's opinions. i don't care if you disagree with me.. but, come at me armed with facts... and i'll listen. Come at me with regurgitated bullshit you hear on T.V. and i'll write you off and 'Just Another Fucking Moron'.
    ...
    So, go ahead and slap whatever bullshit label on me because, personally... I don't give a fuck about any bullshit labeling criteria.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,957
    I have never in my whole life met anyone who was "pro-abortion". That is something completely made up by pro-lifers.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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