Lots of people lean to the left here huh?

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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    PJ_Soul said:

    I have never in my whole life met anyone who was "pro-abortion". That is something completely made up by pro-lifers.

    ...
    I know. I hate it when someone tries to explain to me how horrible abortions are and how I support them. Typically, people like that cannot be reasoned with because they are too busy transmitting their mantra like rhetoric and have their recievers completely shut off. They do not want to hear my side of the arguement because they do not believe my side should even exist.
    I just wish they would not get hung up on word play and semantics and just stick with what they truely are... 'Anti-Abortion'.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,957
    Cosmo said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    I have never in my whole life met anyone who was "pro-abortion". That is something completely made up by pro-lifers.

    ...
    I know. I hate it when someone tries to explain to me how horrible abortions are and how I support them. Typically, people like that cannot be reasoned with because they are too busy transmitting their mantra like rhetoric and have their recievers completely shut off. They do not want to hear my side of the arguement because they do not believe my side should even exist.
    I just wish they would not get hung up on word play and semantics and just stick with what they truely are... 'Anti-Abortion'.
    You're right. I'm actually mad at myself for using the term "pro-lifers" there. Matter of habit. Fuck them, they aren't pro-lifers any more than anyone who likes life is. They're just anti-abortionists (aka pro-controlling other people).
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    PJ_Soul said:

    Cosmo said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    I have never in my whole life met anyone who was "pro-abortion". That is something completely made up by pro-lifers.

    ...
    I know. I hate it when someone tries to explain to me how horrible abortions are and how I support them. Typically, people like that cannot be reasoned with because they are too busy transmitting their mantra like rhetoric and have their recievers completely shut off. They do not want to hear my side of the arguement because they do not believe my side should even exist.
    I just wish they would not get hung up on word play and semantics and just stick with what they truely are... 'Anti-Abortion'.
    You're right. I'm actually mad at myself for using the term "pro-lifers" there. Matter of habit. Fuck them, they aren't pro-lifers any more than anyone who likes life is. They're just anti-abortionists (aka pro-controlling other people).
    ...
    There ARE those people out there who are truely Pro-Life... anti-Abortion, anti-Death Penalty and anti-War people.
    The Anti-Abortion people just like that term/label, Pro-Life... even though they support State Sponsored killing and War. And the ones that kill doctors and blew up clinics... they are labeled murderers and terrorists.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,604
    Cosmo said:

    I have no idea what I am...
    I admit that I am Pro-Choice... but, don't buy into the bullshit that I'm pro-abortion. I would HOPE the choice that is made would be other available options and hope that abortion is the last resort... but, I will not be the one to make that call. That is her decision.. her choice. Not mine.. not yours... not our government's decision. and i will protect that right for her to choose. Also, if you claim to be Pro-Life... and support Death Penalties and War... you are not Pro-Life. Just admit it.. you are Anti-Abortion.
    I am a believer in 2nd Amendment Rights... but, I also believe that those that choose to exercise that right MUST be held responsile and accountable for that choice. And just because anybody CAN own a gun does not mean that everybody SHOULD OWN a gun. We have a lot of citizens that shouldn't be trusted with a gun. Don't believe me? Walk through your local Wal-Mart on a Saturday and tell me you'd feel safer if everyone in there had a loaded gun on them.
    I believe in a strong, efficient military. Used only in defense of our nation... not our corporation's best interests. We don't need to build more tanks if our Army doesn't want more tanks. Spend the money elsewhere.
    I've voted for and will continue to vote for both Republican and Democratic candidates. i have come to understand it has always been a choice between shit or crap... i simply vote for the shit or crap that is the smaller portion and stinks less. We are a long way from a viable Third Party alternative.
    I believe in the free market... but I KNOW the players in the market cannot be trusted. They are worse than our politicians when it comes to ethics. Look at our banking and financial systems and tell me you trust them... if you do, i'll call you a fool. If they were trustworthy, there would be no need for regulation. Regulation comes about because of their greed and the shit they pull on us.
    I believe that we should take a humanitarian approach to the imigration issue. Like them or not, they are STILL Human beings... as much as you believe in your superiority over them. They should be treated as humans and we should work with Mexico, Guatemala and the other Central American countries to solve the issue. I understand that our retail/service based economy depends on their hard work. Yes, HARD WORK. Don't believe me? Pick strawberries for a week on their pay and get back to me on that.
    I believe America can and should lead... but, how about we lead by example, rather than going for the military option every fucking time? i don't know about you... but, i'm tired of being the World's Police.
    I believe in science. I know that science doesn't know everything and does not have all of the answers... because science admits to me that it does not know everything and does not have all of the answers. I also know that science is science and religion is religion and they are not opposing teams and you can still have faith in a religion and understand that evolution is part of the scientific process. i oppose any one religion granted privilege over all others... even if it were my religion... which I don't have. But, just because i don't have religion, doesn't mean you shouldn't have one... of your choosing, not the state's.
    Finally, i believe the television is for entertainment purposes, only. It's for Hockey games and Baseball and whatever... except as a place where you form your opinion. If you get your political opinions from a television news celebrities... be it Bill O'Rielly or Rachel Maddow or Sean Hannity or Ann Coulter or whomever is trying to sell their current book... i'm sorry, but you are an idiot. Form your opinion on facts, not on some shit you hear on the T.V. You were given a brain.. fucking use it. Don't just fill it with other people's opinions. i don't care if you disagree with me.. but, come at me armed with facts... and i'll listen. Come at me with regurgitated bullshit you hear on T.V. and i'll write you off and 'Just Another Fucking Moron'.
    ...
    So, go ahead and slap whatever bullshit label on me because, personally... I don't give a fuck about any bullshit labeling criteria.

    I quite enjoy your way of putting things and happen to agree with most if not all of what you post. I am unable to articulate things as well as you do good sir. Calm and measured responses given with repsect. I appreciate that very much.
    Thank you and please continue to share.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    PJ_Soul said:

    I have never in my whole life met anyone who was "pro-abortion". That is something completely made up by pro-lifers.

    I think more people should be having abortions. But I guess we have never met.

    I am serious.


  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    Cosmo said:

    I have no idea what I am...
    I admit that I am Pro-Choice... but, don't buy into the bullshit that I'm pro-abortion. I would HOPE the choice that is made would be other available options and hope that abortion is the last resort... but, I will not be the one to make that call. That is her decision.. her choice. Not mine.. not yours... not our government's decision. and i will protect that right for her to choose. Also, if you claim to be Pro-Life... and support Death Penalties and War... you are not Pro-Life. Just admit it.. you are Anti-Abortion.
    I am a believer in 2nd Amendment Rights... but, I also believe that those that choose to exercise that right MUST be held responsile and accountable for that choice. And just because anybody CAN own a gun does not mean that everybody SHOULD OWN a gun. We have a lot of citizens that shouldn't be trusted with a gun. Don't believe me? Walk through your local Wal-Mart on a Saturday and tell me you'd feel safer if everyone in there had a loaded gun on them.
    I believe in a strong, efficient military. Used only in defense of our nation... not our corporation's best interests. We don't need to build more tanks if our Army doesn't want more tanks. Spend the money elsewhere.
    I've voted for and will continue to vote for both Republican and Democratic candidates. i have come to understand it has always been a choice between shit or crap... i simply vote for the shit or crap that is the smaller portion and stinks less. We are a long way from a viable Third Party alternative.
    I believe in the free market... but I KNOW the players in the market cannot be trusted. They are worse than our politicians when it comes to ethics. Look at our banking and financial systems and tell me you trust them... if you do, i'll call you a fool. If they were trustworthy, there would be no need for regulation. Regulation comes about because of their greed and the shit they pull on us.
    I believe that we should take a humanitarian approach to the imigration issue. Like them or not, they are STILL Human beings... as much as you believe in your superiority over them. They should be treated as humans and we should work with Mexico, Guatemala and the other Central American countries to solve the issue. I understand that our retail/service based economy depends on their hard work. Yes, HARD WORK. Don't believe me? Pick strawberries for a week on their pay and get back to me on that.
    I believe America can and should lead... but, how about we lead by example, rather than going for the military option every fucking time? i don't know about you... but, i'm tired of being the World's Police.
    I believe in science. I know that science doesn't know everything and does not have all of the answers... because science admits to me that it does not know everything and does not have all of the answers. I also know that science is science and religion is religion and they are not opposing teams and you can still have faith in a religion and understand that evolution is part of the scientific process. i oppose any one religion granted privilege over all others... even if it were my religion... which I don't have. But, just because i don't have religion, doesn't mean you shouldn't have one... of your choosing, not the state's.
    Finally, i believe the television is for entertainment purposes, only. It's for Hockey games and Baseball and whatever... except as a place where you form your opinion. If you get your political opinions from a television news celebrities... be it Bill O'Rielly or Rachel Maddow or Sean Hannity or Ann Coulter or whomever is trying to sell their current book... i'm sorry, but you are an idiot. Form your opinion on facts, not on some shit you hear on the T.V. You were given a brain.. fucking use it. Don't just fill it with other people's opinions. i don't care if you disagree with me.. but, come at me armed with facts... and i'll listen. Come at me with regurgitated bullshit you hear on T.V. and i'll write you off and 'Just Another Fucking Moron'.
    ...
    So, go ahead and slap whatever bullshit label on me because, personally... I don't give a fuck about any bullshit labeling criteria.

    Pinko

  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,957
    dignin said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    I have never in my whole life met anyone who was "pro-abortion". That is something completely made up by pro-lifers.

    I think more people should be having abortions. But I guess we have never met.

    I am serious.


    Hmm, interesting. Would you not prefer that more people use birth control and not get pregnant in the first place rather than more people having abortions?
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Not sure if I could be described as 'left', so much as 'East' - that place where the sun rises every morning. And the Dick Cheney's of this World inhabit that place where the sun goes down and leaves everything in darkness. I.e, I like to think of myself as being as far removed from those jackasses as is humanly possible.

  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    it's all relative ... i would say most people on here are centrists in my political spectrum ... only a few true lefties ...

    :-h
    the band are centrists ... obviously, it's dependent on where your political spectrum falls ... to me - democrats in the US are centre-right ... and most people on here probably lean democrat which kind of puts them as centrists ...

  • more centrists on here than anything else.

    i am pretty hard left on most issues. though i have wavered a little bit since nobody in power in the us believes in anything that i do. it's kind of like "what is the point of fighting a losing battle?"

    these days, those on the right offer no solutions and no fixes to anything other than yelling "NOOOO!!!"

    just my observation of course.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    it's all relative ... i would say most people on here are centrists in my political spectrum ... only a few true lefties ...

    :-h
    the band are centrists ... obviously, it's dependent on where your political spectrum falls ... to me - democrats in the US are centre-right ... and most people on here probably lean democrat which kind of puts them as centrists ...

    Agree. Most are centrists. Truly left bordering on communism isn't seen much on this board.

    So why can't we have party that's Physically conservative and Socially liberal?
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    PJ_Soul said:

    dignin said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    I have never in my whole life met anyone who was "pro-abortion". That is something completely made up by pro-lifers.

    I think more people should be having abortions. But I guess we have never met.

    I am serious.


    Hmm, interesting. Would you not prefer that more people use birth control and not get pregnant in the first place rather than more people having abortions?
    Of course I would.

  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    edited March 2014
    callen said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    it's all relative ... i would say most people on here are centrists in my political spectrum ... only a few true lefties ...

    :-h
    the band are centrists ... obviously, it's dependent on where your political spectrum falls ... to me - democrats in the US are centre-right ... and most people on here probably lean democrat which kind of puts them as centrists ...

    Agree. Most are centrists. Truly left bordering on communism isn't seen much on this board.

    So why can't we have party that's Physically conservative and Socially liberal?
    what is physically conservative? ... there is no merit in any conservative policies these days ... haha

    edit: today's conservatives are about deregulating and detaxing in the interests of large multinational corporations while at the same time pandering to their religious extremists base ...
    Post edited by polaris_x on
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    polaris_x said:

    callen said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    it's all relative ... i would say most people on here are centrists in my political spectrum ... only a few true lefties ...

    :-h
    the band are centrists ... obviously, it's dependent on where your political spectrum falls ... to me - democrats in the US are centre-right ... and most people on here probably lean democrat which kind of puts them as centrists ...

    Agree. Most are centrists. Truly left bordering on communism isn't seen much on this board.

    So why can't we have party that's Physically conservative and Socially liberal?
    what is physically conservative? ... there is no merit in any conservative policies these days ... haha

    edit: today's conservatives are about deregulating and detaxing in the interests of large multinational corporations while at the same time pandering to their religious extremists base ...
    Not pissing away billions on wars, spending money on education to lower entitlements. Eliminate pork. Kill war on drugs. Total separation of church and state. Consumption tax.
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    polaris_x said:

    callen said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    it's all relative ... i would say most people on here are centrists in my political spectrum ... only a few true lefties ...

    :-h
    the band are centrists ... obviously, it's dependent on where your political spectrum falls ... to me - democrats in the US are centre-right ... and most people on here probably lean democrat which kind of puts them as centrists ...

    Agree. Most are centrists. Truly left bordering on communism isn't seen much on this board.

    So why can't we have party that's Physically conservative and Socially liberal?
    what is physically conservative? ... there is no merit in any conservative policies these days ... haha

    edit: today's conservatives are about deregulating and detaxing in the interests of large multinational corporations while at the same time pandering to their religious extremists base ...
    Maybe fiscally conservative? I am - and my views contain no bias toward those big bad corps or big bad religion. What's the issue with using basic math in keeping our individual and collective heads way above water? Spend less than you earn. I learned this as a kid, for chrissakes.

    Let's stop giving the few dipshit radicals the attention and weight they don't even merit.

    And...I assume we're talking people here. Us. Not politicians.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,957
    edited March 2014
    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    it's all relative ... i would say most people on here are centrists in my political spectrum ... only a few true lefties ...

    :-h
    the band are centrists ... obviously, it's dependent on where your political spectrum falls ... to me - democrats in the US are centre-right ... and most people on here probably lean democrat which kind of puts them as centrists ...

    Well, being Canadian, I'm definitely further left I guess? Our right wing party is more like the Dems in the US (except where they're not!). My personal political stance is closest to Socialist in many ways, but certainly not in all ways.
    But I think we're getting too strict in our definitions here. I would definitely categorize PJ as leftists (further left than the Democratic party in many ways). You don't have to be a Commie to be considered left-wing. It's all relative I suppose. But I still disagree that PJ is centrist in North American terms.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    it's hard to spend less than you earn when the "big bad corps" keep your "centrist" government in a state of continual warfare.
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    callen said:

    polaris_x said:

    callen said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    it's all relative ... i would say most people on here are centrists in my political spectrum ... only a few true lefties ...

    :-h
    the band are centrists ... obviously, it's dependent on where your political spectrum falls ... to me - democrats in the US are centre-right ... and most people on here probably lean democrat which kind of puts them as centrists ...

    Agree. Most are centrists. Truly left bordering on communism isn't seen much on this board.

    So why can't we have party that's Physically conservative and Socially liberal?
    what is physically conservative? ... there is no merit in any conservative policies these days ... haha

    edit: today's conservatives are about deregulating and detaxing in the interests of large multinational corporations while at the same time pandering to their religious extremists base ...
    Not pissing away billions on wars, spending money on education to lower entitlements. Eliminate pork. Kill war on drugs. Total separation of church and state. Consumption tax.
    right ... but those people you are talking about call themselves libertarians now ... for sure, there are conservatives who believe all that but they aren't represented in any of the conservative policies of the Republicans in the US or the Conservatives here in Canada.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    hedonist said:

    polaris_x said:

    callen said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    it's all relative ... i would say most people on here are centrists in my political spectrum ... only a few true lefties ...

    :-h
    the band are centrists ... obviously, it's dependent on where your political spectrum falls ... to me - democrats in the US are centre-right ... and most people on here probably lean democrat which kind of puts them as centrists ...

    Agree. Most are centrists. Truly left bordering on communism isn't seen much on this board.

    So why can't we have party that's Physically conservative and Socially liberal?
    what is physically conservative? ... there is no merit in any conservative policies these days ... haha

    edit: today's conservatives are about deregulating and detaxing in the interests of large multinational corporations while at the same time pandering to their religious extremists base ...
    Maybe fiscally conservative? I am - and my views contain no bias toward those big bad corps or big bad religion. What's the issue with using basic math in keeping our individual and collective heads way above water? Spend less than you earn. I learned this as a kid, for chrissakes.

    Let's stop giving the few dipshit radicals the attention and weight they don't even merit.

    And...I assume we're talking people here. Us. Not politicians.
    sure but if the people that identify themselves as conservatives vote for the current set of people that identify themselves as conservatives - it's hard to differentiate them ... we can sit here and say that our views of conservatism means a, b and c but if they inevitably vote for a political entity that doesn't support that - then really, they aren't that different ...
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    it's all relative ... i would say most people on here are centrists in my political spectrum ... only a few true lefties ...

    :-h
    the band are centrists ... obviously, it's dependent on where your political spectrum falls ... to me - democrats in the US are centre-right ... and most people on here probably lean democrat which kind of puts them as centrists ...

    Well, being Canadian, I'm definitely further left I guess? Our right wing party is more like the Dems in the US (except where they're not!). My personal political stance is closest to Socialist in many ways, but certainly not in all ways.
    But I think we're getting too strict in our definitions here. I would definitely categorize PJ as leftists (further left than the Democratic party in many ways). You don't have to be a Commie to be considered left-wing. It's all relative I suppose. But I still disagree that PJ is centrist in North American terms.
    if you fully support obama - you're a centrist ... if you support a guy like jon tester - you're a centrist ... a lefty to me would not vote for the democratic party in the US nor the liberal party here in Canada ...
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,957
    edited March 2014
    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    it's all relative ... i would say most people on here are centrists in my political spectrum ... only a few true lefties ...

    :-h
    the band are centrists ... obviously, it's dependent on where your political spectrum falls ... to me - democrats in the US are centre-right ... and most people on here probably lean democrat which kind of puts them as centrists ...

    Well, being Canadian, I'm definitely further left I guess? Our right wing party is more like the Dems in the US (except where they're not!). My personal political stance is closest to Socialist in many ways, but certainly not in all ways.
    But I think we're getting too strict in our definitions here. I would definitely categorize PJ as leftists (further left than the Democratic party in many ways). You don't have to be a Commie to be considered left-wing. It's all relative I suppose. But I still disagree that PJ is centrist in North American terms.
    if you fully support obama - you're a centrist ... if you support a guy like jon tester - you're a centrist ... a lefty to me would not vote for the democratic party in the US nor the liberal party here in Canada ...
    I don't think that PJ does fully support Obama, and the only reason they support Tester is because Jeff's friends with him. I think they show support for the Dems because they are the only chance there is to keep the Reps out of office, not because they are super in line with Dem policies. How you vote for does not necessarily define what your actual political beliefs are. Who we vote for is very constricted and very much guided by what's most important to avoid.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    polaris_x said:

    hedonist said:

    polaris_x said:

    callen said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    it's all relative ... i would say most people on here are centrists in my political spectrum ... only a few true lefties ...

    :-h
    the band are centrists ... obviously, it's dependent on where your political spectrum falls ... to me - democrats in the US are centre-right ... and most people on here probably lean democrat which kind of puts them as centrists ...

    Agree. Most are centrists. Truly left bordering on communism isn't seen much on this board.

    So why can't we have party that's Physically conservative and Socially liberal?
    what is physically conservative? ... there is no merit in any conservative policies these days ... haha

    edit: today's conservatives are about deregulating and detaxing in the interests of large multinational corporations while at the same time pandering to their religious extremists base ...
    Maybe fiscally conservative? I am - and my views contain no bias toward those big bad corps or big bad religion. What's the issue with using basic math in keeping our individual and collective heads way above water? Spend less than you earn. I learned this as a kid, for chrissakes.

    Let's stop giving the few dipshit radicals the attention and weight they don't even merit.

    And...I assume we're talking people here. Us. Not politicians.
    sure but if the people that identify themselves as conservatives vote for the current set of people that identify themselves as conservatives - it's hard to differentiate them ... we can sit here and say that our views of conservatism means a, b and c but if they inevitably vote for a political entity that doesn't support that - then really, they aren't that different ...
    If, if, if...and inevitably. Lots of assumptions, polaris.

    Where I can, I vote based on issues, not based on the party backing them. I think / hope most people do this - well, those that actually get out there and vote!

  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    rgambs said:

    it's hard to spend less than you earn when the "big bad corps" keep your "centrist" government in a state of continual warfare.

    Yep. War is good for many pockets. Have another possibly unfolding. See how that plays out.
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    hedonist said:

    polaris_x said:

    hedonist said:

    polaris_x said:

    callen said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    it's all relative ... i would say most people on here are centrists in my political spectrum ... only a few true lefties ...

    :-h
    the band are centrists ... obviously, it's dependent on where your political spectrum falls ... to me - democrats in the US are centre-right ... and most people on here probably lean democrat which kind of puts them as centrists ...

    Agree. Most are centrists. Truly left bordering on communism isn't seen much on this board.

    So why can't we have party that's Physically conservative and Socially liberal?
    what is physically conservative? ... there is no merit in any conservative policies these days ... haha

    edit: today's conservatives are about deregulating and detaxing in the interests of large multinational corporations while at the same time pandering to their religious extremists base ...
    Maybe fiscally conservative? I am - and my views contain no bias toward those big bad corps or big bad religion. What's the issue with using basic math in keeping our individual and collective heads way above water? Spend less than you earn. I learned this as a kid, for chrissakes.

    Let's stop giving the few dipshit radicals the attention and weight they don't even merit.

    And...I assume we're talking people here. Us. Not politicians.
    sure but if the people that identify themselves as conservatives vote for the current set of people that identify themselves as conservatives - it's hard to differentiate them ... we can sit here and say that our views of conservatism means a, b and c but if they inevitably vote for a political entity that doesn't support that - then really, they aren't that different ...
    If, if, if...and inevitably. Lots of assumptions, polaris.

    Where I can, I vote based on issues, not based on the party backing them. I think / hope most people do this - well, those that actually get out there and vote!

    really? ... i would wholeheartedly disagree ... most voters vote based on the letter next to the name ...

    just look at the presidential nominees for the republican party last year ... horrible - how can any conservative vote for most of those guys and girl?
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    it's all relative ... i would say most people on here are centrists in my political spectrum ... only a few true lefties ...

    :-h
    the band are centrists ... obviously, it's dependent on where your political spectrum falls ... to me - democrats in the US are centre-right ... and most people on here probably lean democrat which kind of puts them as centrists ...

    Well, being Canadian, I'm definitely further left I guess? Our right wing party is more like the Dems in the US (except where they're not!). My personal political stance is closest to Socialist in many ways, but certainly not in all ways.
    But I think we're getting too strict in our definitions here. I would definitely categorize PJ as leftists (further left than the Democratic party in many ways). You don't have to be a Commie to be considered left-wing. It's all relative I suppose. But I still disagree that PJ is centrist in North American terms.
    if you fully support obama - you're a centrist ... if you support a guy like jon tester - you're a centrist ... a lefty to me would not vote for the democratic party in the US nor the liberal party here in Canada ...
    I don't think that PJ does fully support Obama, and the only reason they support Tester is because Jeff's friends with him. I think they show support for the Dems because they are the only chance there is to keep the Reps out of office, not because they are super in line with Dem policies. How you vote for does not necessarily define what your actual political beliefs are. Who we vote for is very constricted and very much guided by what's most important to avoid.
    right ... but like many have pointed out ... where is the criticism of obama and his policies? ... no talk about drone killings? ... no talk about caving to the food and beverage industry on the "Let's Move" campaign? ... essentially no criticism at all ...

    you have to admit that the more activists/leftists attitudes of the early 90's have been replaced by more conformist ideals in the band ... from it's relationships with target and other corporations to their lack of a political voice ... there is nothing wrong with it - it just doesn't put them as leftist in my book ...
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,957
    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    it's all relative ... i would say most people on here are centrists in my political spectrum ... only a few true lefties ...

    :-h
    the band are centrists ... obviously, it's dependent on where your political spectrum falls ... to me - democrats in the US are centre-right ... and most people on here probably lean democrat which kind of puts them as centrists ...

    Well, being Canadian, I'm definitely further left I guess? Our right wing party is more like the Dems in the US (except where they're not!). My personal political stance is closest to Socialist in many ways, but certainly not in all ways.
    But I think we're getting too strict in our definitions here. I would definitely categorize PJ as leftists (further left than the Democratic party in many ways). You don't have to be a Commie to be considered left-wing. It's all relative I suppose. But I still disagree that PJ is centrist in North American terms.
    if you fully support obama - you're a centrist ... if you support a guy like jon tester - you're a centrist ... a lefty to me would not vote for the democratic party in the US nor the liberal party here in Canada ...
    I don't think that PJ does fully support Obama, and the only reason they support Tester is because Jeff's friends with him. I think they show support for the Dems because they are the only chance there is to keep the Reps out of office, not because they are super in line with Dem policies. How you vote for does not necessarily define what your actual political beliefs are. Who we vote for is very constricted and very much guided by what's most important to avoid.
    right ... but like many have pointed out ... where is the criticism of obama and his policies? ... no talk about drone killings? ... no talk about caving to the food and beverage industry on the "Let's Move" campaign? ... essentially no criticism at all ...

    you have to admit that the more activists/leftists attitudes of the early 90's have been replaced by more conformist ideals in the band ... from it's relationships with target and other corporations to their lack of a political voice ... there is nothing wrong with it - it just doesn't put them as leftist in my book ...
    Well, Eddie actually did start talking about drones and war and all that bad shit at the Vancouver show I was at in December.... talked about how we are so lucky to live in a country that isn't doing all the bad shit that the US is currently doing....
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,051
    I would probably be considered left leaning because I care more about long term environmental and social issues than I do short term economic issues, I'm pro-choice, I believe most people should not have guns, I'm for world peace and I think pot should be legalized. But saying that makes me "left leaning" doesn't really make sense to me. I believe in the things that do make sense to me.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    dignin said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    I have never in my whole life met anyone who was "pro-abortion". That is something completely made up by pro-lifers.

    I think more people should be having abortions. But I guess we have never met.

    I am serious.



    tell your mother that :)) ...I don't tell people what to do with their life...not my business,what I believe does not matter to most.


    Godfather.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    BTW I see a train wreck just up the tracks of this off shoot of abortion topic.

    Godfather.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    edited March 2014
    Something I also think is beyond silly... people who say stupid shit like, 'Oh, they aren't a REAL Republican'. That moronic acronym, RINO (Republican in Name Only) uttered by morons that think they are in charge of deciding who is who. Who died and put them in charge? I didn't leave the Republican Party... the idiots that took over it drove me away.
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