I was 5 yrs old, when I turned 18 we still had to go the post office and regester for the draft and I remember very clearly being scared a little but I new then that I would never run and hide,that's just not and never has been in my blood...but like I said I still remember the fear that day,my biggest fear after that was getting a hair cut if I had to go.hahhahhahhah
Godfather.
... So, in 1978, you had to register with the Draft Board. You know, the draft had ended by then, right? The last lottery was in 1976... i know because my name was tossed into the hat. No new draft orders were issued after 1972. You also understand that the war in Viet Nam was long over, correct? You say you were afraid of a haircut, but you wouldn't have been shitting bricks if you were of draft age in 1965, where you would have likely ended up in Viet Nam? You were affraid of... registering with the Selective Service Board... but, you would not have been afraid of getting shipped off to Viet Nam?!?!? REALLY?!?!? ... With the advantage of hindsight... what good do you believe came out of Viet Nam? Why did all of those men have to die? What did we accomplish? Was it worth it?
yes I know there was no draft...fear is a funny thing, my point was I still had to regester, what did we accomplish ? the testing of new weapons man everybody knows that and I never said that war was right wrong or other wise,but dodging the draft...REALLY ?? Godfather.
... Seriously, sir... that's what you came up with? You realise, people STILL have to register with the Selective Service Board today, right? Do you think they are afraid? There is still no draft. It's been that way since 1977 Also... and Testing New Weapons was accomplished... that was the good thing that came out of Viet Nam? You would have gone to Viet Nam to risk your life so we could test out new weapons? I'm sorry, sir... but I don't believe you are that stupid. Because only stupid people would go to war, just so the Pentagon could test out new weapons. ... And ask your Viet Nam veteran buddies if it was worth with losing the lives of their brothers in arms in Viet Nam, so Bell Aircraft could test out the effectiveness of the UH-1.
well my comment was half jokingly ment (testing weapons) and if you don't believe that we tested new weapons in vietnam then you are not seeing the whol;e picture. well now...and stupid people going to war ? dude you're fishing and what my nam buddies think about the war is only their business sense they were there and you and i were not so what they believed they were fighting for we/you could never fully understand that.
yes I know there was no draft...fear is a funny thing, my point was I still had to regester, what did we accomplish ? the testing of new weapons man everybody knows that and I never said that war was right wrong or other wise,but dodging the draft...REALLY ?? Godfather.
... Seriously, sir... that's what you came up with? You realise, people STILL have to register with the Selective Service Board today, right? Do you think they are afraid? There is still no draft. It's been that way since 1977 Also... and Testing New Weapons was accomplished... that was the good thing that came out of Viet Nam? You would have gone to Viet Nam to risk your life so we could test out new weapons? I'm sorry, sir... but I don't believe you are that stupid. Because only stupid people would go to war, just so the Pentagon could test out new weapons. ... And ask your Viet Nam veteran buddies if it was worth with losing the lives of their brothers in arms in Viet Nam, so Bell Aircraft could test out the effectiveness of the UH-1.
well my comment was half jokingly ment (testing weapons) and if you don't believe that we tested new weapons in vietnam then you are not seeing the whol;e picture. well now...and stupid people going to war ? dude you're fishing and what my nam buddies think about the war is only their business sense they were there and you and i were not so what they believed they were fighting for we/you could never fully understand that. Godfather.
... You have avoided the main issues... I asked you: What good do you believe came out of Viet Nam? Why did all of those men have to die? What did we accomplish? Was it worth it? ... And all you could come up with is an answer to "What did we accomplish"? Your answer: Testing New Weapons (half jokingly). I think that is silly because we can test new weapons systems... without sending men who were drafted into service. And i stand by my comment that you have to be a complete fool to go to war because your military wants to test new weapons systems. Who goes to war and risks dying... so a military contractor can get a large contract for military weapons system? ... And since you are sticking with your answer... you can expand on it by answering the other questions. So, Mr. Godfather... since you feel we accomplished the teasting of new weapons systems in Viet Name... 1. Do you believe that it was good (for our country/military)? 2. Why did all of those men have to die in the name of weapons testing? 3. Was it worth those lives? ... I'm trying to make this as simple for you as possible, sir.
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My question above was better Cosmo. Would GF sign up for Obama war?
... That is a good question... If President Obama reinstated the Selective Service draft and it swept up a son or daughter or neice or nephew to go to Syria to help Al Qaeda test new weapons systems from Raytheon... That's worth fighting for because we get new weapons as the prize.
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do youi mean would I go and fight ? yes I would but for obama...fuck no that ass hat is not an American in my eyes, but for my Brothers and Sisters and Country,yes I would. now just to understand that dumb fuck of a question...what are you two reaching for ? are we playing internet forum games ? (silly me,this is a game) good lord Cosmo I made a comment and you are running a muck with half baked bullshit...1. Do you believe that it was good (for our country/military)?..... advancement in military tech. 2. Why did all of those men have to die in the name of weapons testing?,,,,,,, no......DUHHHHH 3. Was it worth those lives? ....why don't you tell me what war is woth one single life and if you want a real answer ask that question to some war vets.
really man ? you want a straight answer from me on questions of life death and worthiness of it all..."many gave some and some gave all" wtf dose that mean to you ? is that simple enough for you sir ?
yes legally he is but my comment was my personal feeling it is also my personal feeling that obama is nowhere near the American G.W.Bush is.
Godfather.
If a neutral perspective means anything- unshackled from party beliefs and allegiances- Obama, with all his faults, is an infinitely greater American than Bush.
Please everyone, tell me, how the fuck is anyone less or more of an American citizen than anyone else? I'm truly puzzled.
because being American is not defined by some people as simply a citizen designation ... to some people - being american means a lot of different things ... like, what kind of car you drive; the food you eat; the size of your belly; etc ...
does a verbal attack on obama spark outrage on the train ) also ...of corse he is an American citizen I never said he was not I just don't thionk he's American at heart infact I think he's done more to hurt this great country than help it and if he were to move away from the US I just might throw a party in his honer .....or lack of....
do youi mean would I go and fight ? yes I would but for obama...fuck no that ass hat is not an American in my eyes, but for my Brothers and Sisters and Country,yes I would. now just to understand that dumb fuck of a question...what are you two reaching for ? are we playing internet forum games ? (silly me,this is a game) good lord Cosmo I made a comment and you are running a muck with half baked bullshit... 1. Do you believe that it was good (for our country/military)?..... advancement in military tech. 2. Why did all of those men have to die in the name of weapons testing?,,,,,,, no......DUHHHHH 3. Was it worth those lives? ....why don't you tell me what war is woth one single life and if you want a real answer ask that question to some war vets.
really man ? you want a straight answer from me on questions of life death and worthiness of it all..."many gave some and some gave all" wtf dose that mean to you ? is that simple enough for you sir ?
Godfather.
... No need to get your panties in a twist, sir. i was just looking for some answers from you because of some statements you previously made... which you finally answered... sort of. I just wanted some clarification. Thanx for that... so now... From your very own answers, you believe: The war in Viet Nam was good for America because it provided proof of concept in the advancement of new weapons technology. But, that justification was not a worth fighting in Viet Nam... I think that is your answer... because most people do not respond to a question that asks 'Why', with a Yes or No answer. And you can't say it was worth it or not... instead, you ask me a question to which I answer YES... there are some wars that are paid for in blood. if you need a reference, I'll say World War II.. and not just American lives. Many Europeans and Russians gave their lives to stop aggression in their homeland by an invading/occupational military force. In Viet Nam, it was a civil war between the North and South and had nothing to do with us. From what you have stated... you think it was a good opportunity for us to send over young men over there, so our military industry could test out new weapons systems and that America would benefit from those test results. Got it. Thank you. .... And you ask me to ask Viet Nam Vets.. well... I Do. I work for those military industries... have been since the Summer of 1978. I work with many, many Viet Nam veterans... both officers and elisted men that served in many differing capacities. I have, literally, crossed paths with hundreds of veterans and talked about their war experiences. I just told a couple of them what you had responded with and they both said your comments were.. well, to make it as nice a s possible... apparently, not formed by using the human brain as it was originally intended. They said that you should learn about Viet Nam before making statements that are founded on the fecal matter dropped from a bull's rectum (I'm paraphrasing, here because I don't remember their exact words). That whole thing about benefitting from new weapons is... again... not... not very smart. We DID go over there to test out new guerilla warfare tactics... but, that is no justification to have our military personel die and what we learned from that was not worth their lives. What we should have learned from Viet Nam is: Do not send in troops without a clear military objective. Do not go into a foriegn conflict without understanding the native culture, language, customs and religious beliefs. Do not go into armed conflict without full support from the American people. Do not go to armed conflict without a defined exit strategy. ... Anyway, I just wanted to get a better understanding of where your opinions and views come from... that's all. ... P.S. Also... I hope you understand that we CAN and do test weapons systems that employ the latest advancement in technology, without sending our troops to war. We built stealth aircraft to defeat Soviet radar technology... but didn't go to war with the Soviet Union. We benefited from stealth technology... and our military families did not have to pay for it with theirr lives. I think that is a good thing.
P.S. (P.S.) Regarding this comment: "do youi mean would I go and fight ? yes I would but for obama...fuck no that ass hat is not an American in my eyes, but for my Brothers and Sisters and Country,yes I would." I'm just trying to get this straight... You would go off to Syria to fight and die along side of Al Qaeda in order to establish a fundamentalist Islamic state if Obama started a war with those pretenses? So, your death would be to establish Syria as an Islamic State that wouls possibly seek to destroy America. Okay... I wouldn't. I suppose, that's what makes us different.
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Please everyone, tell me, how the fuck is anyone less or more of an American citizen than anyone else? I'm truly puzzled.
because being American is not defined by some people as simply a citizen designation ... to some people - being american means a lot of different things ... like, what kind of car you drive; the food you eat; the size of your belly; etc ...
Please everyone, tell me, how the fuck is anyone less or more of an American citizen than anyone else? I'm truly puzzled.
because being American is not defined by some people as simply a citizen designation ... to some people - being american means a lot of different things ... like, what kind of car you drive; the food you eat; the size of your belly; etc ...
It's a strange world we live in.
... And to too many Americans... if you don't vote the way they think you should vote... you are less of an American. Those are the really stupid Americans that do not understand the principles of America and should really try to avoid getting into political discussions if they don't want people to think they are complete idiots.
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Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Please everyone, tell me, how the fuck is anyone less or more of an American citizen than anyone else? I'm truly puzzled.
because being American is not defined by some people as simply a citizen designation ... to some people - being american means a lot of different things ... like, what kind of car you drive; the food you eat; the size of your belly; etc ...
It's a strange world we live in.
... And to too many Americans... if you don't vote the way they think you should vote... you are less of an American. Those are the really stupid Americans that do not understand the principles of America and should really try to avoid getting into political discussions if they don't want people to think they are complete idiots.
Please everyone, tell me, how the fuck is anyone less or more of an American citizen than anyone else? I'm truly puzzled.
it would seem that peoples ideological differences with certain people allow them to conclude that those perceived differences(which are just opinion sometimes based on nothing but emotion) can be used to define who is and who isn't, in this case, an American. .. to which I say wow.
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do youi mean would I go and fight ? yes I would but for obama...fuck no that ass hat is not an American in my eyes, but for my Brothers and Sisters and Country,yes I would. now just to understand that dumb fuck of a question...what are you two reaching for ? are we playing internet forum games ? (silly me,this is a game) good lord Cosmo I made a comment and you are running a muck with half baked bullshit... 1. Do you believe that it was good (for our country/military)?..... advancement in military tech. 2. Why did all of those men have to die in the name of weapons testing?,,,,,,, no......DUHHHHH 3. Was it worth those lives? ....why don't you tell me what war is woth one single life and if you want a real answer ask that question to some war vets.
really man ? you want a straight answer from me on questions of life death and worthiness of it all..."many gave some and some gave all" wtf dose that mean to you ? is that simple enough for you sir ?
Godfather.
... No need to get your panties in a twist, sir. i was just looking for some answers from you because of some statements you previously made... which you finally answered... sort of. I just wanted some clarification. Thanx for that... so now... From your very own answers, you believe: The war in Viet Nam was good for America because it provided proof of concept in the advancement of new weapons technology. But, that justification was not a worth fighting in Viet Nam... I think that is your answer... because most people do not respond to a question that asks 'Why', with a Yes or No answer. And you can't say it was worth it or not... instead, you ask me a question to which I answer YES... there are some wars that are paid for in blood. if you need a reference, I'll say World War II.. and not just American lives. Many Europeans and Russians gave their lives to stop aggression in their homeland by an invading/occupational military force. In Viet Nam, it was a civil war between the North and South and had nothing to do with us. From what you have stated... you think it was a good opportunity for us to send over young men over there, so our military industry could test out new weapons systems and that America would benefit from those test results. Got it. Thank you. .... And you ask me to ask Viet Nam Vets.. well... I Do. I work for those military industries... have been since the Summer of 1978. I work with many, many Viet Nam veterans... both officers and elisted men that served in many differing capacities. I have, literally, crossed paths with hundreds of veterans and talked about their war experiences. I just told a couple of them what you had responded with and they both said your comments were.. well, to make it as nice a s possible... apparently, not formed by using the human brain as it was originally intended. They said that you should learn about Viet Nam before making statements that are founded on the fecal matter dropped from a bull's rectum (I'm paraphrasing, here because I don't remember their exact words). That whole thing about benefitting from new weapons is... again... not... not very smart. We DID go over there to test out new guerilla warfare tactics... but, that is no justification to have our military personel die and what we learned from that was not worth their lives. What we should have learned from Viet Nam is: Do not send in troops without a clear military objective. Do not go into a foriegn conflict without understanding the native culture, language, customs and religious beliefs. Do not go into armed conflict without full support from the American people. Do not go to armed conflict without a defined exit strategy. ... Anyway, I just wanted to get a better understanding of where your opinions and views come from... that's all. ... P.S. Also... I hope you understand that we CAN and do test weapons systems that employ the latest advancement in technology, without sending our troops to war. We built stealth aircraft to defeat Soviet radar technology... but didn't go to war with the Soviet Union. We benefited from stealth technology... and our military families did not have to pay for it with theirr lives. I think that is a good thing.
P.S. (P.S.) Regarding this comment: "do youi mean would I go and fight ? yes I would but for obama...fuck no that ass hat is not an American in my eyes, but for my Brothers and Sisters and Country,yes I would." I'm just trying to get this straight... You would go off to Syria to fight and die along side of Al Qaeda in order to establish a fundamentalist Islamic state if Obama started a war with those pretenses? So, your death would be to establish Syria as an Islamic State that wouls possibly seek to destroy America. Okay... I wouldn't. I suppose, that's what makes us different.
P.S. (P.S.) Regarding this comment: "do youi mean would I go and fight ? yes I would but for obama...fuck no that ass hat is not an American in my eyes, but for my Brothers and Sisters and Country,yes I would." I'm just trying to get this straight... You would go off to Syria to fight and die along side of Al Qaeda in order to establish a fundamentalist Islamic state if Obama started a war with those pretenses? So, your death would be to establish Syria as an Islamic State that wouls possibly seek to destroy America. Okay... I wouldn't. I suppose, that's what makes us different.
me.....al qaeda.....HHAHHAHHAHHHAHAHHAHAHHA AND MUSLIMS ! HAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAH, my friend with all the anti muslim/al queda comments I have made you believe or even think I would do this ????? where do you come up with this stufff...and don't say from me,you twist and turn shit to create debate ...good grief.
you indicated that you would fight a war with which you disagree, cosmo is testing the limits of your obedience. You won't fight for Obama because you are racist, we get it now.
you indicated that you would fight a war with which you disagree, cosmo is testing the limits of your obedience. You won't fight for Obama because you are racist, we get it now.
you indicated that you would fight a war with which you disagree, cosmo is testing the limits of your obedience. You won't fight for Obama because you are racist, we get it now.
Interesting, therefore that might explain how he thinks BHO is nowhere near the American as GWB. Which also leads him to believe BHO is NOT an American at heart, whatever that means. Oh it might mean he just doesn't look like me, could that be it?
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stupid post.......did somebody post that for you ? or was it your very own original thought ? is that the only thing you can come up with ..racism !...really ? 8-} take the walf of shame buddy hahhahhahhahhahhahahha.
I would get off the personal stuff or this will get locked. Godfather isn't a racist. He doesn't like Obama's politics and believes it to be "unamerican" (general term). That is very subjective. Godfather may be a lot of things but after being on this site for a long time I do not believe him to be Racist in any way shape or form. One can call someone un-american, one can call someone an idiot or a socialist or a pussy....it doesn't mean race was at all involved. President Obama is an extremely polarizing figure unfortunately, I don't believe he deserves that status as he is no different than most presidents, he has made somethings better and other things worse like everyone before him. I would get back on topic as much as you can...Arguing over who is more American seems like a strange way for this thread to turn but that is far more interesting than taking it to a personal level on who is racist and who isn't. As for me, I would say anyone who wants to be President is about as American as you can get. The search for power and status drives many here to attempt to better their lives and like few other countries in the world someone like Obama, or Clinton before him, is a prime example of the upward mobility people can have in this country with hard work and luck. Pretty American if you ask me.
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i personally like GF but it wouldn't surprise me if he was partly racist - based on a literal translation ... he's written many bigoted things already on this board as it relates to gay people and muslims - so, not a stretch ... as it relates to this board ... we all have our strong viewpoints and discussions sometimes benefit from those viewpoints ...
P.S. (P.S.) Regarding this comment: "do youi mean would I go and fight ? yes I would but for obama...fuck no that ass hat is not an American in my eyes, but for my Brothers and Sisters and Country,yes I would." I'm just trying to get this straight... You would go off to Syria to fight and die along side of Al Qaeda in order to establish a fundamentalist Islamic state if Obama started a war with those pretenses? So, your death would be to establish Syria as an Islamic State that wouls possibly seek to destroy America. Okay... I wouldn't. I suppose, that's what makes us different.
me.....al qaeda.....HHAHHAHHAHHHAHAHHAHAHHA AND MUSLIMS ! HAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAH, my friend with all the anti muslim/al queda comments I have made you believe or even think I would do this ????? where do you come up with this stufff...and don't say from me,you twist and turn shit to create debate ...good grief.
Godfather.
... Excuse me, sir. But you are the one contradicting your own previous statement. You said' YES, you WOULD go to fight if you were drafted into the Army to fight with your brothers and sisters... not necessarily in the name of the President (Obama)'. ... NOW... you are saying you would NOT fight if that war was started by President Obama and waged in Syria to overthrow the sitting government because it conflicts with your world view. ... You are sending some very confusing messages... and I do not understand them. Would you fight... regardless of the war as long as it is an american war?.... OR Would you flee... because the principles of that war were diametrically opposed to your views and beliefs? Right now, your answer is Both... you would fight AND you would be a deserter. I'm sorry, sir... but, you will need to explain to me how you can be both at the same time because it does not make any logical sense to me. ... P.S. Sir... please, do not accuse me of 'twisting your words' when your very own words are coming out twisted against yourself to begin with.
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President Obama is an extremely polarizing figure unfortunately, I don't believe he deserves that status as he is no different than most presidents, he has made somethings better and other things worse like everyone before him.
I would say that all recent American presidents have been exceptionally polarising, because the Americans have become a highly polarised people. Their 2 party system has just descended into a childish ideological scrap between people more interested in cementing their own personal power than serving the electorate, and they'll tell whatever lies, and use whatever manipulations they can to secure that.
Americans have become convinced their own neighbours are their enemies.
does a verbal attack on obama spark outrage on the train ) also ...of corse he is an American citizen I never said he was not I just don't thionk he's American at heart infact I think he's done more to hurt this great country than help it and if he were to move away from the US I just might throw a party in his honer .....or lack of....
President Obama is an extremely polarizing figure unfortunately, I don't believe he deserves that status as he is no different than most presidents, he has made somethings better and other things worse like everyone before him.
I would say that all recent American presidents have been exceptionally polarising, because the Americans have become a highly polarised people. Their 2 party system has just descended into a childish ideological scrap between people more interested in cementing their own personal power than serving the electorate, and they'll tell whatever lies, and use whatever manipulations they can to secure that.
Americans have become convinced their own neighbours are their enemies.
Herd behavior with politicians and media benefiting from exploiting. Even on this thread as different as our views may be we have same core values. Family, shelter, safety, and food. OH AND PJ. Think we get polarized by watching msnbc and fox.
We're all concerned citizens trying to make world better hence why we're on this thread and really should embrace each other's views rather than go to personal attacks. I'm guilty of trying to belittle.
President Obama is an extremely polarizing figure unfortunately, I don't believe he deserves that status as he is no different than most presidents, he has made somethings better and other things worse like everyone before him.
I would say that all recent American presidents have been exceptionally polarising, because the Americans have become a highly polarised people. Their 2 party system has just descended into a childish ideological scrap between people more interested in cementing their own personal power than serving the electorate, and they'll tell whatever lies, and use whatever manipulations they can to secure that.
Americans have become convinced their own neighbours are their enemies.
I completely agree. I would really like someone to explain to me how it is possible that two choices is so infinitely better than one.
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well my comment was half jokingly ment (testing weapons) and if you don't believe that we tested new weapons in vietnam then you are not seeing the whol;e picture.
well now...and stupid people going to war ? dude you're fishing and what my nam buddies think about the war is only their business sense they were there and you and i were not
so what they believed they were fighting for we/you could never fully understand that.
Godfather.
You have avoided the main issues... I asked you:
What good do you believe came out of Viet Nam?
Why did all of those men have to die?
What did we accomplish?
Was it worth it?
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And all you could come up with is an answer to "What did we accomplish"? Your answer: Testing New Weapons (half jokingly).
I think that is silly because we can test new weapons systems... without sending men who were drafted into service. And i stand by my comment that you have to be a complete fool to go to war because your military wants to test new weapons systems. Who goes to war and risks dying... so a military contractor can get a large contract for military weapons system?
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And since you are sticking with your answer... you can expand on it by answering the other questions.
So, Mr. Godfather... since you feel we accomplished the teasting of new weapons systems in Viet Name...
1. Do you believe that it was good (for our country/military)?
2. Why did all of those men have to die in the name of weapons testing?
3. Was it worth those lives?
...
I'm trying to make this as simple for you as possible, sir.
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That is a good question...
If President Obama reinstated the Selective Service draft and it swept up a son or daughter or neice or nephew to go to Syria to help Al Qaeda test new weapons systems from Raytheon... That's worth fighting for because we get new weapons as the prize.
Hail, Hail!!!
now just to understand that dumb fuck of a question...what are you two reaching for ? are we playing internet forum games ? (silly me,this is a game) good lord Cosmo I made a comment and you are running a muck with half baked bullshit...1. Do you believe that it was good (for our country/military)?..... advancement in military tech.
2. Why did all of those men have to die in the name of weapons testing?,,,,,,, no......DUHHHHH
3. Was it worth those lives? ....why don't you tell me what war is woth one single life and if you want a real answer ask that question to some war vets.
really man ? you want a straight answer from me on questions of life death and worthiness of it all..."many gave some and some gave all" wtf dose that mean to you ?
is that simple enough for you sir ?
Godfather.
just pointing that out.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Godfather.
Godfather.
No need to get your panties in a twist, sir. i was just looking for some answers from you because of some statements you previously made... which you finally answered... sort of. I just wanted some clarification.
Thanx for that... so now... From your very own answers, you believe:
The war in Viet Nam was good for America because it provided proof of concept in the advancement of new weapons technology.
But, that justification was not a worth fighting in Viet Nam... I think that is your answer... because most people do not respond to a question that asks 'Why', with a Yes or No answer.
And you can't say it was worth it or not... instead, you ask me a question to which I answer YES... there are some wars that are paid for in blood. if you need a reference, I'll say World War II.. and not just American lives. Many Europeans and Russians gave their lives to stop aggression in their homeland by an invading/occupational military force. In Viet Nam, it was a civil war between the North and South and had nothing to do with us.
From what you have stated... you think it was a good opportunity for us to send over young men over there, so our military industry could test out new weapons systems and that America would benefit from those test results. Got it. Thank you.
....
And you ask me to ask Viet Nam Vets.. well... I Do. I work for those military industries... have been since the Summer of 1978. I work with many, many Viet Nam veterans... both officers and elisted men that served in many differing capacities. I have, literally, crossed paths with hundreds of veterans and talked about their war experiences.
I just told a couple of them what you had responded with and they both said your comments were.. well, to make it as nice a s possible... apparently, not formed by using the human brain as it was originally intended. They said that you should learn about Viet Nam before making statements that are founded on the fecal matter dropped from a bull's rectum (I'm paraphrasing, here because I don't remember their exact words).
That whole thing about benefitting from new weapons is... again... not... not very smart. We DID go over there to test out new guerilla warfare tactics... but, that is no justification to have our military personel die and what we learned from that was not worth their lives. What we should have learned from Viet Nam is:
Do not send in troops without a clear military objective.
Do not go into a foriegn conflict without understanding the native culture, language, customs and religious beliefs.
Do not go into armed conflict without full support from the American people.
Do not go to armed conflict without a defined exit strategy.
...
Anyway, I just wanted to get a better understanding of where your opinions and views come from... that's all.
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P.S. Also... I hope you understand that we CAN and do test weapons systems that employ the latest advancement in technology, without sending our troops to war. We built stealth aircraft to defeat Soviet radar technology... but didn't go to war with the Soviet Union. We benefited from stealth technology... and our military families did not have to pay for it with theirr lives. I think that is a good thing.
P.S. (P.S.) Regarding this comment:
"do youi mean would I go and fight ? yes I would but for obama...fuck no that ass hat is not an American in my eyes, but for my Brothers and Sisters and Country,yes I would."
I'm just trying to get this straight... You would go off to Syria to fight and die along side of Al Qaeda in order to establish a fundamentalist Islamic state if Obama started a war with those pretenses? So, your death would be to establish Syria as an Islamic State that wouls possibly seek to destroy America.
Okay... I wouldn't. I suppose, that's what makes us different.
Hail, Hail!!!
And to too many Americans... if you don't vote the way they think you should vote... you are less of an American.
Those are the really stupid Americans that do not understand the principles of America and should really try to avoid getting into political discussions if they don't want people to think they are complete idiots.
Hail, Hail!!!
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
pure accident of birth chadwick... what matters most is we are all human.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
P.S. (P.S.) Regarding this comment:
"do youi mean would I go and fight ? yes I would but for obama...fuck no that ass hat is not an American in my eyes, but for my Brothers and Sisters and Country,yes I would."
I'm just trying to get this straight... You would go off to Syria to fight and die along side of Al Qaeda in order to establish a fundamentalist Islamic state if Obama started a war with those pretenses? So, your death would be to establish Syria as an Islamic State that wouls possibly seek to destroy America.
Okay... I wouldn't. I suppose, that's what makes us different.
me.....al qaeda.....HHAHHAHHAHHHAHAHHAHAHHA AND MUSLIMS ! HAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAH, my friend with all the anti muslim/al queda comments I have made you believe or even think I would do this ????? where do you come up with this stufff...and don't say from me,you twist and turn shit to create debate ...good grief.
Godfather.
Peace
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stupid post.......did somebody post that for you ? or was it your very own original thought ? is that the only thing you can come up with ..racism !...really ? 8-} take the walf of shame buddy hahhahhahhahhahhahahha.
Godfather.
One can call someone un-american, one can call someone an idiot or a socialist or a pussy....it doesn't mean race was at all involved. President Obama is an extremely polarizing figure unfortunately, I don't believe he deserves that status as he is no different than most presidents, he has made somethings better and other things worse like everyone before him.
I would get back on topic as much as you can...Arguing over who is more American seems like a strange way for this thread to turn but that is far more interesting than taking it to a personal level on who is racist and who isn't.
As for me, I would say anyone who wants to be President is about as American as you can get. The search for power and status drives many here to attempt to better their lives and like few other countries in the world someone like Obama, or Clinton before him, is a prime example of the upward mobility people can have in this country with hard work and luck. Pretty American if you ask me.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Excuse me, sir. But you are the one contradicting your own previous statement.
You said' YES, you WOULD go to fight if you were drafted into the Army to fight with your brothers and sisters... not necessarily in the name of the President (Obama)'.
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NOW... you are saying you would NOT fight if that war was started by President Obama and waged in Syria to overthrow the sitting government because it conflicts with your world view.
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You are sending some very confusing messages... and I do not understand them.
Would you fight... regardless of the war as long as it is an american war?.... OR
Would you flee... because the principles of that war were diametrically opposed to your views and beliefs?
Right now, your answer is Both... you would fight AND you would be a deserter.
I'm sorry, sir... but, you will need to explain to me how you can be both at the same time because it does not make any logical sense to me.
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P.S.
Sir... please, do not accuse me of 'twisting your words' when your very own words are coming out twisted against yourself to begin with.
Hail, Hail!!!
Americans have become convinced their own neighbours are their enemies.
We're all concerned citizens trying to make world better hence why we're on this thread and really should embrace each other's views rather than go to personal attacks. I'm guilty of trying to belittle.
I completely agree. I would really like someone to explain to me how it is possible that two choices is so infinitely better than one.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan