Hear the fans - Bring Pearl Jam To Israel

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  • Posts: 21,037
    edited February 2014
    BK5403 said:

    Byrnzie sings the lyrics to Wishlist a little differently from the rest of us ...

    I wish Iran had a neutron bomb, for once it could go off
    I wish Israel was a sacrifice and didn't still live on

    That was clever.

    So because, like most other people in the World, I oppose Israel's crimes, that means I want to see them nuked?

    Like I said above; only in America could people be so brainwashed as to routinely spout such crap.

    Most rational people in the World were opposed to South African Apartheid. I suppose in your peculiar little World that means those people wanted to see South Africa nuked?

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  • BK5403, hilarious. You should have been warned that Byrnzie learned the phrase "South African Apartheid" and he will use it as some sort of paralleled in his fight to rid the Middle East of Jewish people. Also be wary of the many links and quotes that will be posted. Also really take (expecially coming from the source) the being brainwashed reference very very seriously. I kid I kid, for reals, listen to this guy. He knows all. Has interweb links to prove it. He convinced me. Death to all Israelis, long live innocent Palastinians.
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    I had to take a break from this thread.Watched some Olympics(We did not show up against Canada in Mens hockey ,Damn Canadians have a smothering defense)Which made me feel like watching the movie Munich.Which then strengthened my resolve on this subject and I keep trying to figure out how killing Olympic athletes by the cowardly Palestinian terrorists was justified?????? Must be in response to apartheid huh?
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    BK-funny.
  • Posts: 21,037
    edited February 2014
    Byrnzie said:

    Byrnzie...in his fight to rid the Middle East of Jewish people.

    He convinced me. Death to all Israelis

    You should be banned from the board for making such twisted comments. In fact you should have been banned for telling 'Drowned Out' to go fuck himself on the first page of this thread.

    You pathetic little troll.





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  • Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    edited February 2014
    Wow, well this thread just took a new turn. I had checked out because all the same shit was being said over and over again in increasingly annoying ways, but now the shit-slinging has started and I'm reengaged! :P
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    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Byrnzie, whoa. Slow down dude. We are on the same page. All the hate you spread has convinced me. We need to stick together so we can convince more people of your thoughts. I mean that's what I've interpreted you wanted with all your hate towards Israel.
  • And who is really being the troll here? I mean this was a thread for fans asking for a concert in Israel. You started posting why Israel is one of the worst countries on the planet and looking for confrontation. I would say you sir are the pathetic troll. But I'm guessing yet again, pointing the finger is much easier for you to do than taking responsibility for your own actions.
  • Posts: 21,037
    edited February 2014

    Byrnzie, whoa. Slow down dude. We are on the same page. All the hate you spread has convinced me. We need to stick together so we can convince more people of your thoughts. I mean that's what I've interpreted you wanted with all your hate towards Israel.

    Nah, I just don't like racists, like yourself. People who support ethnic Nationalism and ethnic cleansing, and use everything they can to try and justify it.

    As for this thread, let me guess; you want the band to just 'shut the fuck up' and play in that racist Apartheid state, and you want the fans who oppose such a thing to also 'shut the fuck up'?

    You really don't know much about this band, or it's fans, do you pal?

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  • Posts: 16,255
    Here's a thought. You can't even get the band to play Houston, so there is no need to even think about them playing Israel.
  • Posts: 6,056
    edited February 2014

    BK5403, hilarious. You should have been warned that Byrnzie learned the phrase "South African Apartheid" and he will use it as some sort of paralleled in his fight to rid the Middle East of Jewish people. Also be wary of the many links and quotes that will be posted. Also really take (expecially coming from the source) the being brainwashed reference very very seriously. I kid I kid, for reals, listen to this guy. He knows all. Has interweb links to prove it. He convinced me. Death to all Israelis, long live innocent Palastinians.

    Did ending South African apartheid mean ridding Africa of white people? No.

    If you truly were a supporter of Israel, you would support reforms in that country, because they are on a sure path to self destruction at the moment. If you disagree, tell me why. I know you won't even take a stab at that, because I've asked for your views on possible outcomes to the occupation repeatedly, to no avail. You've demonstrated complete ignorance on this topic (you can't even spell Palestine for chrissake), and a lack of social skills via your inability to type more than two sentences without including a personal attack. It's funny, because every time you do this, it gives us the opportunity to both make you look bad and further support our opinions with fact. And despite the fact that you obviously don't require facts to think you're informed on a topic, most people do. You've basically allowed us to fill this thread with reasons why pj should not play Israel, with the only retort being 'you hate Jews'. This thread has over 2k views, so I would hope there are people taking something away from it. All they're taking from you is that you don't like byrnzie and I. So you're just hurting your position...and again, the op and other campaigners have abandoned this thread because of it. Well done Matty-boy, thank you.
    This thread is a perfect microcosm of the discourse on the occupation. We've seen at least 3-4 of Israel's apologists resort to personal attacks and defamation, while providing zero support for their positions, aside from conjecture and feeble appeals to pathos. Supporters of the state of Israel get backed into a corner and start with the ad hominems (anyone who publicly disagrees is branded anti Semite and wants Jews wiped off the face of the earth). They also want us to stfu - similar to the way israel-backing lobby groups are pushing for anti bds legislation in at least 3 states (probably more), and in canada.....wanting to make it against the law for Americans and Canadians to criticize Israel....while claiming Israel is a bastion of free speech. Total joke.
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  • I am far from racist. It's called being sarcastic. And truthfully that is how you guys are coming across as. In your points of view that you have expressed over and over, you blame Israel for everything. You side with the Palestinians and can see no fault on their end. Palastinians have called for the destruction of Israel since it was founded after WWII. So you come across as you want Israel to be destroyed. You blindly ignore any aggressive actions that have been taken against Israel. If you guys would remotely even hint at the idea that the Palastinians aren't as innocent as you paint them out to be, you wouldn't come across like that. You also decide to come to a peaceful thread and start spreading your view points, fully expecting that someone would reply. Will it really keep you up at night if Pearl Jam played there?

    And you are right, I have no clue about Israel, Palastine, Middle East, Pearl Jam, or whatever else I disagree with you on. And actually yes, it would be nice if you guys would shut up on this thread. Go start your own thread and preach all you want to. Again, it's called manors. You can have your opinions, but you have to know the right time and place to express them. Also thanks, I've been out of town for two weeks for work, and you guys have been keeping me entertained when I get bored.
  • And sorry my replies aren't as long as yours, or I have misspelling, or whatever else you complained about. See I pick up my iPad, respond, and then put it down. It's about a 5 minute process for me. It's a forum, and I don't think I'm going to change the world from here.
  • Posts: 21,037

    I am far from racist. It's called being sarcastic. And truthfully that is how you guys are coming across as. In your points of view that you have expressed over and over, you blame Israel for everything. You side with the Palestinians and can see no fault on their end. Palastinians have called for the destruction of Israel since it was founded after WWII. So you come across as you want Israel to be destroyed. You blindly ignore any aggressive actions that have been taken against Israel. If you guys would remotely even hint at the idea that the Palastinians aren't as innocent as you paint them out to be, you wouldn't come across like that. You also decide to come to a peaceful thread and start spreading your view points, fully expecting that someone would reply. Will it really keep you up at night if Pearl Jam played there?

    And you are right, I have no clue about Israel, Palastine, Middle East, Pearl Jam, or whatever else I disagree with you on. And actually yes, it would be nice if you guys would shut up on this thread. Go start your own thread and preach all you want to. Again, it's called manors. You can have your opinions, but you have to know the right time and place to express them. Also thanks, I've been out of town for two weeks for work, and you guys have been keeping me entertained when I get bored.

    Nobody said anything remotely indicating that they want to see Israel destroyed. The thing that we object to, and which the whole World also objects to - excluding Israel and the U.S government - is the ongoing occupation and land-grab. It's not only illegal under international law, but according to every major Human Rights Group and the U.N, it represents a crime against humanity.
    Siding with World opinion on this issue doesn't mean we're anti-semites, or that we want to see Israel wiped off the map.
    And as far as Palestinian terrorism goes, it pales in comparison to Israeli terrorism, and the death and destruction Israel has wreaked for the past 60 years. Nevertheless, nobody here's saying they condone the killing of civilians. But Palestinian terror attacks are not a cause of the conflict and the occupation, they're a symptom of it.

    Israel needs to end the occupation, and vacate the settlements. It can then fortify it's internationally recognized borders and protect it's citizens, while the Palestinians can do the same.

    In the meantime, no artist with any political conscience should perform in that country and give tacit support to it's ongoing crimes. And if you start a thread on this bands forum asking for them to play there, then you shouldn't act surprised when you get a reaction.

  • Do you honestly think if Israel left Gaza and the West Bank there will peace? And you are saying that before Israel took Gaza and the West Bank there was peace? I ask that because you stated that terror attacks are a symptom of the occupation, impliying there were none before, and everything was peaceful before Israel aquired the land? I honestly think they need to leave the West Bank and Gaza Strip, but I can't blame them for occupying it.
  • Posts: 21,037
    edited February 2014

    Do you honestly think if Israel left Gaza and the West Bank there will peace? And you are saying that before Israel took Gaza and the West Bank there was peace? I ask that because you stated that terror attacks are a symptom of the occupation, impliying there were none before, and everything was peaceful before Israel aquired the land? I honestly think they need to leave the West Bank and Gaza Strip, but I can't blame them for occupying it.

    The first terror attacks inside Israel proper occurred in 1994. Before that, all the violence took place along the borders, which the Israeli's kept expanding, and in the areas siezed by the Israeli's during and after the 1948 war.

    You can't blame them for occupying the West Bank and Gaza strip? Why? It's not their land. That land belongs to the Palestinians, and they have no right to it.

    What concessions have the Israeli's made towards peace since 1967? None. Zero. If they wanted peace they could have had it a long time ago, but that's not what interests them.

    Also, you keep harping on about Palestinian terrorism. Why do you have no issue with Israeli terrorism? Is their far greater terrorism acceptable to you? You shout 'terrorism' when talking about Palestinian violence against the Israeli's, but you have no problem with the Israeli's shelling residential areas, bulldozing Palestinian homes - sometimes with the occupants still inside - shooting unarmed men, women, and children, dropping white phosphorous bombs on Gaza, and bombing schools, hospitals, and U.N safe houses? Why is that? And yet you accuse me of being the racist?

    Read on:

    http://www.lrb.co.uk/v29/n16/henry-siegman/the-great-middle-east-peace-process-scam

    '...the introductory statement to Resolution 242 declares that territory cannot be acquired by war, implying that if the parties cannot reach agreement, the occupier must withdraw to the status quo ante: that, logically, is [U.N Resolution] 242’s default setting. Had there been a sincere intention on Israel’s part to withdraw from the territories, surely forty years should have been more than enough time in which to reach an agreement.

    In the course of a war launched by Arab countries that sought to prevent the implementation of the UN partition resolution, Israel enlarged its territory by 50 per cent. If it is illegal to acquire territory as a result of war, then the question now cannot conceivably be how much additional Palestinian territory Israel may confiscate, but rather how much of the territory it acquired in the course of the war of 1948 it is allowed to retain. At the very least, if ‘adjustments’ are to be made to the 1949 armistice line, these should be made on Israel’s side of that line, not the Palestinians.

    ...Clearly, the obstacle to resolving the Israel-Palestine conflict has not been a dearth of peace initiatives or peace envoys. Nor has it been the violence to which Palestinians have resorted in their struggle to rid themselves of Israel’s occupation, even when that violence has despicably targeted Israel’s civilian population. It is not to sanction the murder of civilians to observe that such violence occurs, sooner or later, in most situations in which a people’s drive for national self-determination is frustrated by an occupying power. Indeed, Israel’s own struggle for national independence was no exception. According to the historian Benny Morris, in this conflict it was the Irgun that first targeted civilians. In Righteous Victims, Morris writes that the upsurge of Arab terrorism in 1937 ‘triggered a wave of Irgun bombings against Arab crowds and buses, introducing a new dimension to the conflict.’ While in the past Arabs had ‘sniped at cars and pedestrians and occasionally lobbed a grenade, often killing or injuring a few bystanders or passengers’, now ‘for the first time, massive bombs were placed in crowded Arab centres, and dozens of people were indiscriminately murdered and maimed.’ Morris notes that ‘this “innovation” soon found Arab imitators.

    ....The problem is not, as Israelis often claim, that Palestinians do not know how to compromise. (Another former prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, famously complained that ‘Palestinians take and take while Israel gives and gives.’) That is an indecent charge, since the Palestinians made much the most far-reaching compromise of all when the PLO formally accepted the legitimacy of Israel within the 1949 armistice border. With that concession, Palestinians ceded their claim to more than half the territory that the UN’s partition resolution had assigned to its Arab inhabitants. They have never received any credit for this wrenching concession, made years before Israel agreed that Palestinians had a right to statehood in any part of Palestine. The notion that further border adjustments should be made at the expense of the 22 per cent of the territory that remains to the Palestinians is deeply offensive to them, and understandably so.

    Nonetheless, the Palestinians agreed at the Camp David summit to adjustments to the pre-1967 border that would allow large numbers of West Bank settlers – about 70 per cent – to remain within the Jewish state, provided they received comparable territory on Israel’s side of the border. Barak rejected this.'


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  • Posts: 21,037
    edited February 2014

    I LOVE THIS!!AWESOME WORK ONCE AGAIN GUYS!!IM NOT MISSING PJ SHOW AT ISRAEL..GONNA BE EPIC!

    Dimitri, if Pearl Jam played in Northern Cyprus would you have no problem with it? Would you say 'I LOVE THIS!!!! AWESOME...GONNA BE EPIC!!"?
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  • Byrnzie said:



    The first terror attacks inside Israel proper occurred in 1994. Before that, all the violence took place along the borders, which the Israeli's kept expanding, and in the areas siezed by the Israeli's during and after the 1948 war.

    First attack in 1994 ? Really ?
    What about Hebron massacre ? 1929
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre
  • Posts: 21,037
    edited February 2014
    rollandf said:

    First attack in 1994 ? Really ?
    What about Hebron massacre ? 1929
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre
    I suggest you read the things you post before posting them in future. From your link:

    'The Hebron massacre refers to the killing of sixty-seven Jews (including 23 college students) on 24 August 1929 in Hebron, then part of Mandatory Palestine..

    ...In mid-August 1929, hundreds of Jewish nationalists marched to the Western Wall in Jerusalem shouting slogans such as The Wall is Ours and raising the Jewish national flag. Rumours spread that Jewish youths had also attacked Arabs and had cursed Muhammad. Following an inflammatory sermon the next day, hundreds of Muslims converged on the Western Wall, burning prayer books and injuring the beadle. The rioting soon spread to the Jewish commercial area of town and the next day, a young Jew was stabbed to death. The authorities failed to quell the violence. On Friday, August 23, inflamed by rumors that Jews were planning to attack al-Aqsa Mosque, Arabs started to attack Jews in the Old City of Jerusalem. The first murders of the day took place when two or three Arabs passing by the Jewish Quarter of Mea Shearim were assassinated. Rumours that Jews had massacred Arabs in Jerusalem arrived in Hebron by that evening. Hillel Cohen frames his recent narrative of the incident in terms of the murder of the Jaffa Awan family a Jewish police constable Simcha Hinkis.'


    And to think that Jews and Arabs had lived together in peace for a 1000 years until the European Zionists moved in with their ideas of racial supremacy, and with their plans for ethnic cleansing.
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