The Death Penalty

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

otter wrote:

The exorbitant amount of money spent on capital cases should be spent on building super max prisons.

Or alternatively...


"...practically every time a prosecutor seeks the death penalty, they pull hundreds of thousands of dollars out of our local criminal justice system, dollars that therefore cannot be spent, say, on the homicide unit and getting uncaught killers off the street. And given that we have counties in this country where 50 percent of the killings can go unsolved each year, we are much better off spending our dollars on catching uncaught killers than killing the killers we’ve already caught and put in cages." - Benjamin Jealous (NAACP President)

The process is such only because we make it such. We really go out of our way to ensure child murderers have plenty of opportunity to show that somehow... they are not responsible for their atrocities.

It could be much quicker and much more efficient.

You'd rather just fast-track them into the death chamber, would you? Including those wrongfully convicted in the first place.

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

30 years of 3 square meals, internet privileges, sex dolls, magazines, books, physical activity, outstanding health care, fan mail, and someone doing your laundry for you somehow doesn't seem like justice for the rape, murder, and mutilation of an 8 year old girl. 30 Bills, 2013

Jail is just paradise, right? The person who wrote that is clearly an idiot.

Not near the level of the idiot that once said the plight of the murderer on death row is far worse than that of two young girls who, after watching their family get slain, were held captive in bondage, raped and then killed. Remember you said because at least they might have been able to think of escaping?

Clifford Olson's prison term was paradise.

Once again, you're embarrassing yourself [though you clearly don't even realize it] by calling Albert Camus an idiot.

Here's what he said:


'It adds to death a rule, a public premeditation known to the future victim, an organization, in short, which is in itself a source of moral sufferings more terrible than death. Hence there is no equivalence. Many laws consider a premeditated crime more serious than a crime of pure violence. But what then is capital punishment but the most premeditated of murders, to which no criminal's deed, however calculated it may be, can be compared?
For there to be equivalence, the death penalty would have to punish a criminal who had warned his victim of the date at which he would inflict a horrible death on him and who, from that moment onward, had confined him to his mercy for months. Such a monster is not encountered in private life.'

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

30 years of 3 square meals, internet privileges, sex dolls, magazines, books, physical activity, outstanding health care, fan mail, and someone doing your laundry for you somehow doesn't seem like justice for the rape, murder, and mutilation of an 8 year old girl. 30 Bills, 2013

Jail is just paradise, right? The person who wrote that is clearly an idiot.

Not near the level of the idiot that once said the plight of the murderer on death row is far worse than that of two young girls who, after watching their family get slain, were held captive in bondage, raped and then killed. Remember you said because at least they might have been able to think of escaping?

Clifford Olson's prison term was paradise.

Do you ever fantasize about life in the Middle Ages, where your Weekends entertainment could consist of seeing people hung, drawn and quartered and fed to the pigs? Or maybe Saudi Arabia, where thieves get their hands chopped off, and adulterers are beheaded in the local football stadiums?
It's just that, it seems you have a pretty unhealthy hard-on for people being murdered by the State in the name of 'justice'.

pdalowsky wrote:

you cannot be serious?

those comments were expressed about a really really disturbingly nasty pair of people, one of whom has asked to be executed. He doesn't even ask for forgiveness, and certainly does not deserve any.

I will repeat again, I am anti DP, but the logic on that case along is tough to disagree with strongly.

as although im anti DP, if those bastards had done that to any of the people I love I know for a fact I could never forgive them. Im a peaceful person by my very nature, compassionate and caring, and that is exactly why I find it impossible to comprehend such brutality.

He could produce 100 or 1000 gruesome cases of murders on here in order to try and gain support for the death penalty, but it makes zero difference to me. Do you really think that by posting details of a twisted murder that this then gives him the right to declare who should live or die, or who is, or isn't, deserving of forgiveness? I just hope that I never suffer such delusions of grandeur.

Like I asked before in this thread; isn't the test of any society, and it's moral foundation [if it has one, or pretends to have one], to exist on a higher footing than that of murderers, and rapists? Or should society allow itself to indulge in feelings of vengeance ("the needs of the victims families") and to sink to the level of those it condemns by murdering them in turn, in a premeditated, and calculated manner?

Someone in the Edward Snowden thread jumped up on his high horse and started frothing at the mouth about the fact I live in China, claiming that therefore I had no right to criticize the U.S government. (The same juvenile, pathetic response I've come to expect from certain flag-suckers). But what I wonder is: what's the difference? Both countries lie to, spy on, and murder their own citizens on a daily basis. As long as the U.S continues with the death penalty, then what makes it so different from China, or Iran? The Iranians murder their own citizens in the name of Islam (or a perverted idea of Islam). The Chinese murder their own citizens on the name of 'Communism', or State Power. And Americans murder their own citizens in the name of what? Christianity? The State? Justice?

As far as I'm concerned, the U.S is no better than any of these other countries as long as it continues murdering it's undesirables. These rapists and murderers didn't grow up in a vacuum. They are a product of their environment. Maybe the State should take some degree of responsibility for that before so confidently and self-righteously snuffing out their lives in turn.