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  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    Jason P wrote:
    How long until Obama drops the hammer on Syria? I'm guessing 2-3 weeks. Planes, missiles and troops are being sent to Jordan as part of a "training mission".

    I'm guessing the only thing stopping them right now is Russia. But with nerve gas being used, the Kremlin may have to stand down.

    Assad ISN'T using any chemical weapons. All bullshit war talk. Go ahead, send your troops in, with Russia and Hezbollah there. Wtf does he care, his kids aren't the ones who are gonna die. God dammit, I'm so fucken pissed at us, ALWAYS wanting war! When's enough enough???? Just look back to 06 and what Hezbollah did to Israel. Not a good idea but then again, when is war????
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,597
    Involving us in Syria is the worst decision the Obama administration has made since taking office in January of 2009.
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  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    badbrains wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    How long until Obama drops the hammer on Syria? I'm guessing 2-3 weeks. Planes, missiles and troops are being sent to Jordan as part of a "training mission".

    I'm guessing the only thing stopping them right now is Russia. But with nerve gas being used, the Kremlin may have to stand down.

    Assad ISN'T using any chemical weapons. All bullshit war talk. Go ahead, send your troops in, with Russia and Hezbollah there. Wtf does he care, his kids aren't the ones who are gonna die. God dammit, I'm so fucken pissed at us, ALWAYS wanting war! When's enough enough???? Just look back to 06 and what Hezbollah did to Israel. Not a good idea but then again, when is war????

    It should only ever be brought to the enemy when they bring it on us. I know that sounds weird to some, but preemptive shit strikes and arming one side over the other in a civil war is so stupid it is almost as if the Feds are doing it out of spite to the American Tax payer. Like when you tell a two year old to eat their ice cream they so no just because you told them too...

    I am interested in why Syria...
    JimmyV wrote:
    Involving us in Syria is the worst decision the Obama administration has made since taking office in January of 2009.

    I am wondering if this will spark any venom from those anti war folks on the left...I sure hope so because voices need to be raised here, and the important ones are those in his own party...I think what President Obama shows is that the office of the president is more powerful than any person who sits in it. That the decisions made only sometimes intersect with what was promised, and that more often than not, they will let you down.
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  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    Syria's post WWI history and French occupation is quite fascinating...

    What is going to happen this time around?

    This sounds familiar... arming rebels... where have I seen this before in history... the 1980's comes to mind.
  • Bronx Bombers
    Bronx Bombers Posts: 2,208
    Jason P wrote:
    How long until Obama drops the hammer on Syria? I'm guessing 2-3 weeks. Planes, missiles and troops are being sent to Jordan as part of a "training mission".

    Wonder if Eddie will bash obama at Wrigley if that happens. :corn:
  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    Bronx Bombers wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    How long until Obama drops the hammer on Syria? I'm guessing 2-3 weeks. Planes, missiles and troops are being sent to Jordan as part of a "training mission".

    Wonder if Eddie will bash obama at Wrigley if that happens. :corn:

    Mmmm :corn:
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    unsung wrote:
    Can everyone please call their Representatives and tell them that we do not want to get involved...we do not support another war.

    Otherwise if they are so intent on going to war have Congress draft legislation that declares war.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    Bronx Bombers wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    How long until Obama drops the hammer on Syria? I'm guessing 2-3 weeks. Planes, missiles and troops are being sent to Jordan as part of a "training mission".

    Wonder if Eddie will bash obama at Wrigley if that happens. :corn:

    Mmmm :corn:
    I hope he does....

    I hated W and supported Obama hoping he was different...how I was wrong. We should not be getting involved...let the surrounding countries deal with this....we need to stay out for the best interest of the US.
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  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    Ben Rhodes, the White House national security advisor behind the claim that President Bashar Al-Assad used chemical weapons in Syria, is a fiction writer with zero educational background in government, diplomacy or national security who also played a key role in covering up the truth behind the attack on the US consulate in Benghazi.

    Ben Rhodes (left). Image: Wikimedia Commons
    Yesterday, Rhodes announced that the White House had “high confidence” that the Syrian Army had used chemical weapons, providing no evidence, and that the Obama administration would now take steps to arm FSA rebels, who as has been widely documented are being led by Al-Qaeda terrorists who killed U.S. troops in Iraq. The Wall Street Journal also reports that a no fly zone is being prepared that would embroil the United States in yet another war.
    35-year-old Rhodes has been a speechwriter for Obama since 2007 and now enjoys the role of deputy national security adviser for strategic communication. He created the infamous term “kinetic military action” to describe the bombardment of Libya which allowed Obama to skirt around the constitutional question of having to declare war.






    Rhodes’ expertise revolves around manufacturing narratives. “He earned a master’s degree in fiction-writing from New York University just a few years ago,” writes Ed Lansky. “He did not have a degree in government, diplomacy, national security; nor has he served in the CIA, or the military. He was toiling away not that long ago on a novel called ‘The Oasis of Love” about a mega church in Houston, a dog track, and a failed romance.”




    Rhodes can also count on the support of the US corporate media in selling fairytales about chemical weapons, since his brother David is the president of CBS News.

    Now, with no formal investigation at all and no word on the chain of evidence or its source, we are told with absolute certainty that the Assad government has used the weapons. And they can’t tell us because it is secret! Just like magic these things happen when needed!” writes Daniel McAdams.


    http://www.infowars.com/man-behind-syrian-chemical-weapons-claim-is-fiction-writer-who-covered-up-benghazi/
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,029
    i want proof that assad used chemical weapons. i demand real proof. i want to see the bodies.

    does anyone recall a little country called iraq that definitely had weapons of mass destruction??? :fp:

    everyone accepted that they did, when the un guys were saying that they didn't. :fp:

    do not fucking let it happen again!
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  • South of Seattle
    South of Seattle West Seattle Posts: 10,724
    I have a Syrian friend that is pretty heartbroken over the whole thing. She insists that Assad is good and the media is up to something. She's lived in the U.S. her whole life but visits Syria every few years and has a lot of family over there.

    It's a shitty situation no matter how you see it.
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  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    From December 2012:

    US defence contractors have been training the rebels since last year to handle chemical weapons
    http://news.antiwar.com/2012/12/10/us-d ... l-weapons/
    The US decision to hire unaccountable defense contractors to train Syrian rebels to handle stockpiles of chemical weapons seems dangerously irresponsible in the extreme, especially considering how inept Washington has so far been at making sure only trustworthy, secular rebels – to the extent they exist – receive their aid and the weapons that allies in the Gulf Arab states have been providing.

    It also feeds accusations that the Syrian Foreign Ministry recently made that the US is working to frame the Syrian regime as having used or prepared for chemical warfare.


    From early May 2013:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/ma ... ar-strikes

    Carla del Ponte, one of the lead investigators, said the UN independent commission of inquiry on Syria has not yet seen evidence of government forces having used chemical weapons, which are banned under international law. But she told Swiss-Italian television: "Our investigators have been in neighbouring countries interviewing victims, doctors and field hospitals and, according to their report of last week, which I have seen, there are strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof of the use of sarin gas, from the way the victims were treated. This was use on the part of the opposition, the rebels, not by the government authorities."


    From late May 2013:

    Turkish Police Report: US Supported Al Nusrah Terrorists Possess Chemical Weapons

    According to Turkey’s state media agency Zaman, the Turkish General Directorate of Security (Emniyet Genel Müdürlüğü):

    [Police have] ceased 2 kg of sarin gas in the city of Adana in the early hours of yesterday morning. The chemical weapons were in the possession of Al Nusra terrorists believed to have been heading for Syria.

    Sarin gas is a colourless, odorless substance which is extremely difficult to detect. The gas is banned under the 1993 Chemical Weapons Convention.

    The EGM [Turkish Police] identified 12 members of the AL Nusra terrorist cell and also ceased fire arms and digital equipment. This is the second major official confirmation of the use of chemical weapons by Al-Qaeda terrorists in Syria after UN inspector Carla Del Ponte’s recent statement confirming the use of chemical weapons by the Western-backed terrorists in Syria.
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/turkish-po ... ia/5336917




    They've been working on fabricating this for a while....
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,029
    get ready to get your war on....


    simply giving arms to a group is rarely all that is involved. we will have boots on the ground there training these people in how to use the weapons. and once russia jumps in to aid assad, we will begin airstrikes of our own. this is gonna be a much wider conflict.

    this goes to my point that i have been making here for years. if you and your rebellion are not strong enough to overthrow your government on your own, perhaps you should think twice about starting a fucking civil war. it is not right to drag the rest of the world into your fucking conflict. :nono: :nono:
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  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    Weapons arrive next month

    http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nightly-news/52312234
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    get ready to get your war on....


    simply giving arms to a group is rarely all that is involved. we will have boots on the ground there training these people in how to use the weapons. and once russia jumps in to aid assad, we will begin airstrikes of our own. this is gonna be a much wider conflict.

    this goes to my point that i have been making here for years. if you and your rebellion are not strong enough to overthrow your government on your own, perhaps you should think twice about starting a fucking civil war. it is not right to drag the rest of the world into your fucking conflict. :nono: :nono:

    the best thing Russia could do to aid assad is to get him to leave the country. but its not about aiding assad or even helping restore peace to Syria... its about playing chess with the lives of millions of people who mean nothing to those moving the pieces. putin doesn't give a damn about the Syrian people and I doubt anyone else does except the Syrians themselves. politics is a bullshit game played my people with power issues. democracy doesn't exist and it never has. its just a word bandied around to make us feel good. someone, and by someone I mean putin(tho anyone with influence and means will do), needs to take assad aside and remind him how saddam Hussein is fairing these days. someone needs to tell him that the best thing he can do for his people and his country is to leave and go into exile to live out the rest of his life.
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  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    Anything to help ease the pressure on Israel, I suppose.

    :roll:
  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    "Armed Kurds clash with protesters in Syria"

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeas ... 18913.html
  • ajedigecko
    ajedigecko \m/deplorable af \m/ Posts: 2,431
    Armaggeddon?

    Maybe.
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • unsung
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    In 1971 when John Kerry testified before the Senate on Vietnam he asked them, "how do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake"?

    Now Mr Kerry must have no issue with that.

    In turn, Senator Rand Paul asks Sec Kerry, "how to you ask a man to be the first to die for a mistake"?


    http://www.businessinsider.com/rand-pau ... rry-2013-9
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    unsung wrote:
    In 1971 when John Kerry testified before the Senate on Vietnam he asked them, "how do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake"?

    Now Mr Kerry must have no issue with that.

    In turn, Senator Rand Paul asks Sec Kerry, "how to you ask a man to be the first to die for a mistake"?


    http://www.businessinsider.com/rand-pau ... rry-2013-9

    Kerry is a scumbag and I can't believe I voted for this fraud. All anti-war throwing his medals over the White House fence and now he wants war! What a fucker!

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