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Can everyone please call their Representatives and tell them that we do not want to get involved...we do not support another war.

Otherwise if they are so intent on going to war have Congress draft legislation that declares war.
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  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    unsung wrote:
    Can everyone please call their Representatives and tell them that we do not want to get involved...we do not support another war.

    Otherwise if they are so intent on going to war have Congress draft legislation that declares war.

    Is it looking like we're going to get involved?
    What persuasion do yo think we have calling or emailing our representatives? (honest question, i've never done it before)
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  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    It lets them know you are paying attention.
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    unsung wrote:
    Can everyone please call their Representatives and tell them that we do not want to get involved...we do not support another war.

    Otherwise if they are so intent on going to war have Congress draft legislation that declares war.

    yeah, that situation is kinda fucked...Folks are being executed in their homes...entire families...

    I'm with you, though...not much we can do that we are not already doing other that military action (which I do not support at this time)...

    Russia is blocking any major intervention...
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    inmytree wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    Can everyone please call their Representatives and tell them that we do not want to get involved...we do not support another war.

    Otherwise if they are so intent on going to war have Congress draft legislation that declares war.

    yeah, that situation is kinda fucked...Folks are being executed in their homes...entire families...

    I'm with you, though...not much we can do that we are not already doing other that military action (which I do not support at this time)...

    Russia is blocking any major intervention...
    yesterday russia strictly condemned the assad regime for these massacres. russia was blocking intervention, but even they can not turn a blind eye and support the assad regime any longer.
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  • IdrisIdris Posts: 2,317
    Panetta: US Won’t Attack Syria Without UN OK

    Just one day after US Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice insisted that attacking Syria without UN backing was “the most probable scenario” for the next presumptive military adventure by the US, Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta insisted he “cannot envision” such a thing.

    Instead, Panetta insisted that the US would only attack Syria after the United Nations had given them official permission to do so, saying that “the international community and the president are going to have to decide what steps we take.”

    Panetta’s comments reflect those he made in early March, in which he told the US Senate that the administration’s goal was “international permission” for the war, and downplayed the idea of seeking Congressional authorization, saying only that Congress would be “informed” about the attack once the president decided.

    http://news.bostonherald.com/news/international/middle_east/view/20120601no_us_military_action_in_syria_without_un_authorization_leon_panetta_says/srvc=home&position=recent

    http://news.antiwar.com/2012/06/01/panetta-us-wont-attack-syria-without-un-ok/
  • ComeToTXComeToTX Austin Posts: 7,854
    Another war...that should help the economy. :fp:
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  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Idris wrote:
    Panetta: US Won’t Attack Syria Without UN OK

    Just one day after US Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice insisted that attacking Syria without UN backing was “the most probable scenario” for the next presumptive military adventure by the US, Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta insisted he “cannot envision” such a thing.

    Instead, Panetta insisted that the US would only attack Syria after the United Nations had given them official permission to do so, saying that “the international community and the president are going to have to decide what steps we take.”

    Panetta’s comments reflect those he made in early March, in which he told the US Senate that the administration’s goal was “international permission” for the war, and downplayed the idea of seeking Congressional authorization, saying only that Congress would be “informed” about the attack once the president decided.

    http://news.bostonherald.com/news/international/middle_east/view/20120601no_us_military_action_in_syria_without_un_authorization_leon_panetta_says/srvc=home&position=recent

    http://news.antiwar.com/2012/06/01/panetta-us-wont-attack-syria-without-un-ok/


    This is all kinds of wrong. Since when do we take marching orders from the f-ing UN? You want to go in? The have Congress declare war and go in and get out.

    I do not support any military action, but I support seeking permission even less.

    Obama is a joke.
  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    I think that some sort of peace keeping mission preventing the government from massacring it's own people is a much more just cause than the two wars we currently find ourselves in, but that's just me.
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  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    keeponrockin wrote:
    I think that some sort of peace keeping mission preventing the government from massacring it's own people is a much more just cause than the two wars we currently find ourselves in, but that's just me.
    Actually, a "peace keeping mission preventing the government from massacring its own people" is the EXACT justification that was/has been used for Afghanistan and Iraq...
  • MotoDCMotoDC Posts: 947
    unsung wrote:
    This is all kinds of wrong. Since when do we take marching orders from the f-ing UN? You want to go in? The have Congress declare war and go in and get out.

    I do not support any military action, but I support seeking permission even less.

    Obama is a joke.
    I hear you, but so far, it seems the UN will do more to keep us out of war than in it. Based on what I've read of your other posts, you should celebrate that at least.

    As for Congress declaring war, since when has that been necessary? (/tongueincheek emoticon)

    That said, these fucks can't even figure out a debt ceiling solution after over a year; you really want them in charge if/when we need to go to war?
  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    I don't much care for the UN.

    We had better not get involved, no thanks. My heart goes out to the Syrian people, what a mess, how sad... :( I try to follow as closely as I can with both news updates and first hand accounts.
  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    fuck wrote:
    keeponrockin wrote:
    I think that some sort of peace keeping mission preventing the government from massacring it's own people is a much more just cause than the two wars we currently find ourselves in, but that's just me.
    Actually, a "peace keeping mission preventing the government from massacring its own people" is the EXACT justification that was/has been used for Afghanistan and Iraq...
    Actually, Afghanistan was more of a response to 9/11 if I'm not mistaken, and Iraq some bullshit about WMD's...
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    how many innocent civilians in Syria have to die before military action is warranted ? currently estimates are anywhere from 9000 to 20000.

    maybe 100k? 1 million?
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Hillary is beating the war drum.

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/06/07 ... -strategy/
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    unsung wrote:
    Hillary is beating the war drum.

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/06/07 ... -strategy/

    ".......broadened diplomatic effort to ease the embattled leader out of power"


    yea, war drum so deafening.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,147
    Russia is sending attack choppers to Syria.

    The leader of a UN inspection team described the country to be in full-scale civil war at this point.

    Bad times.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,147
    Syria has confirmed that they did indeed shoot down a Turkish warplane for violation of airspace. Just happens to follow a Syrian fighter pilot's defection to Turkey a few days earlier.

    http://news.yahoo.com/turkey-turns-nato-over-syrian-attack-001605065.html

    (fyi - turkey is part of nato)
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,147
    In non-chicken sandwich news ... Annan has stepped down as mediator in the Syria conflict which suggests any hopes of diplomacy is out the window.

    Speaking to reporters in Geneva, Annan cited "finger-pointing and name-calling" in the 15-nation Security Council as one of the reasons for his decision to step down.

    "The world is full of crazy people like me. So don't be surprised if Secretary General Ban Ki-moon can find someone who can do a better job than me," Annan said when asked about a possible successor.

    "There may be other plans, other approaches that may work quite effectively," he said, adding that at this stage the focus should still be on a political transition which means "President (Bashar) al-Assad will have to leave sooner or later."

    ...

    http://news.yahoo.com/annan-step-down-international-syria-mediator-154545166.html

    Looks like he is very frustrated.
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    http://www.medialens.org/index.php?opti ... &Itemid=69

    It is worth referring once again to the testimony of General Wesley Clark, the former Nato chief, when he recalled a conversation with a Pentagon general in 2001, a few weeks after the September 11 attacks:

    ‘He reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. And he said, “I just got this down from upstairs” — meaning the Secretary of Defense’s office — “today.” And he said, “This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.”’
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,147
    Byrnzie wrote:
    http://www.medialens.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=692:the-return-of-the-king-tony-blair-and-the-magically-disappearing-blood&catid=25:alerts-2012&Itemid=69

    It is worth referring once again to the testimony of General Wesley Clark, the former Nato chief, when he recalled a conversation with a Pentagon general in 2001, a few weeks after the September 11 attacks:

    ‘He reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. And he said, “I just got this down from upstairs” — meaning the Secretary of Defense’s office — “today.” And he said, “This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.”’
    That's just like the US government to be behind schedule. Everything cost three times as much and takes three times longer then planned.
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  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    Hey professor Steve, that shits crazy! And I'm def NOT surprised! When will the fucking world FInally wake the fuck up! I hope it's not too late.....
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Jason P wrote:
    Russia is sending attack choppers to Syria.

    The leader of a UN inspection team described the country to be in full-scale civil war at this point.

    Bad times.


    that should balance out the CIA intervention reported as helping the rebels.


    you know i am all for countries dealing with their own shit. america and her allies do not need to involve themselves in another war.. and this one is a civil war(if any war can be called civil). i know it sucks that the syrian govt doesnt have the best inteerst of her people at heart and therefore can not take the magnanimous step to stand aside and allow the people to speak.. but thats the way it goes. i do not support intervention in this situation. as tough as it is, let syria sort herself out. lets support the US and her allies not being the policemen of the world.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,147
    catefrances wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    Russia is sending attack choppers to Syria.

    The leader of a UN inspection team described the country to be in full-scale civil war at this point.

    Bad times.


    that should balance out the CIA intervention reported as helping the rebels.


    you know i am all for countries dealing with their own shit. america and her allies do not need to involve themselves in another war.. and this one is a civil war(if any war can be called civil). i know it sucks that the syrian govt doesnt have the best inteerst of her people at heart and therefore can not take the magnanimous step to stand aside and allow the people to speak.. but thats the way it goes. i do not support intervention in this situation. as tough as it is, let syria sort herself out. lets support the US and her allies not being the policemen of the world.
    It can't be all bad what the U.S. is doing. A Noble Peace Prize winner is making that decision after all. :)
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Jason P wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    Russia is sending attack choppers to Syria.

    The leader of a UN inspection team described the country to be in full-scale civil war at this point.

    Bad times.


    that should balance out the CIA intervention reported as helping the rebels.


    you know i am all for countries dealing with their own shit. america and her allies do not need to involve themselves in another war.. and this one is a civil war(if any war can be called civil). i know it sucks that the syrian govt doesnt have the best inteerst of her people at heart and therefore can not take the magnanimous step to stand aside and allow the people to speak.. but thats the way it goes. i do not support intervention in this situation. as tough as it is, let syria sort herself out. lets support the US and her allies not being the policemen of the world.
    It can't be all bad what the U.S. is doing. A Noble Peace Prize winner is making that decision after all. :)

    one should always ask why rather than accept the what. and i have to say that nobel peace prize winner would need all his faculties and more to convince me that what he supports is a good thing.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,147
    catefrances wrote:
    one should always ask why rather than accept the what. and i have to say that nobel peace prize winner would need all his faculties and more to convince me that what he supports is a good thing.
    Indeed. I'll admit, the only things I know about Syria are from a so-so George Clooney movie and an episode of Top Gear.

    But the US has chosen a side, and probably what they foresee as the winning side.

    By the way, did you see Libya opened their first Cinnabon this week?
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    badbrains wrote:
    Hey professor Steve, that shits crazy! And I'm def NOT surprised! When will the fucking world FInally wake the fuck up! I hope it's not too late.....

    People have been letting themselves get screwed by these fish-bellies for a very long time.
    I suppose it may be the case that most people prefer to be lead by the nose, regardless of who's leading them, and of where they're being lead.

    And I don't see anything changing anytime soon.
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    So fucken sad. What a beautiful country with such kind hearted people. My heart aches for them all. I've been there a few times and can honestly say I miss the people and country there. Have many friends there. I can't wait till my next trip there. Plz god let that country survive. :(
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    badbrains wrote:
    So fucken sad. What a beautiful country with such kind hearted people. My heart aches for them all. I've been there a few times and can honestly say I miss the people and country there. Have many friends there. I can't wait till my next trip there. Plz god let that country survive. :(


    it is sad when a country rips itself apart. the syrian embassy has just been closed here in australia and i will admit that my first thoutgh was selfish.. i thought can they sort it out before the end of next year so i dont have to worry about covering my arse... then i took ahold of myself and thought that my convenience isnt the issue here. i want to travel to syria and sure id rather do it when i wanted to but you know i want the people of syria to be safe..that is the priority... a people shouldnt feel threatened by their government.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,147
    Turkey authorizes military operations in Syria

    AKCAKALE, Turkey (AP) — Turkey's Parliament authorized military operations against Syria on Thursday and its military fired on targets there for a second day after deadly shelling from Syria killed five civilians in a Turkish border town.

    For its part, Syria admitted it was responsible for the shelling that killed five people in Turkey and formally apologized for the deaths, a top Turkish official said.

    Deputy Prime Minister Besir Atalay said Syria has reassured the U.N. that "such an incident will not occur again."
    The border violence has added a dangerous new dimension to Syria's civil war, dragging Syria's neighbors deeper into a conflict that activists say has already killed 30,000 people since an uprising against President Bashar Assad's regime began in March 2011.

    Atalay said Parliament's authorization was not declaration of war on Syria but gives Turkey the right to respond to any future attacks from Syria.

    .....

    http://news.yahoo.com/turkey-authorizes-military-operations-syria-115920854.html
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  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    Jason P wrote:
    Turkey authorizes military operations in Syria

    AKCAKALE, Turkey (AP) — Turkey's Parliament authorized military operations against Syria on Thursday and its military fired on targets there for a second day after deadly shelling from Syria killed five civilians in a Turkish border town.

    For its part, Syria admitted it was responsible for the shelling that killed five people in Turkey and formally apologized for the deaths, a top Turkish official said.

    Deputy Prime Minister Besir Atalay said Syria has reassured the U.N. that "such an incident will not occur again."
    The border violence has added a dangerous new dimension to Syria's civil war, dragging Syria's neighbors deeper into a conflict that activists say has already killed 30,000 people since an uprising against President Bashar Assad's regime began in March 2011.

    Atalay said Parliament's authorization was not declaration of war on Syria but gives Turkey the right to respond to any future attacks from Syria.

    .....

    http://news.yahoo.com/turkey-authorizes-military-operations-syria-115920854.html

    Time to go on Twitter and see what the Syrians are saying.
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