i didnt heard-read a good joke lately..that was a good one!!
would be funny if it wasn't true ...
:(
i know buddy ..i know..was a sarcasm..we call them "cold jokes" here..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Kerry might have inadvertantly stopped the attack by mentioning the only way Syria could avoid it is if they turned over all the chemical weapons ... from which the Russians pounced at right away and said that would be a great idea.
Which left the administration doing a "yeah, but ..."
How long has Obama and his team been aware that this situation might come up some day??? A few weeks or days prior to the attack?
The US has little credibility left: Syria won't change that"
to most of the world maybe but to americans - they still think for the most part its about freedom and democracy so, ultimately that's who matters ...
excuse me, average american here. I dont believe its about either of those things.
My belief is, instead of worrying so much about how our credibility is internationally, The Admin and The whole of Congress needs to be concerned with the severe lack of credibility here at home.
I dont trust them at all.
Damned if we do, damned if we dont. I say dont for once. Be a nice change of pace.
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excuse me, average american here. I dont believe its about either of those things.
My belief is, instead of worrying so much about how our credibility is internationally, The Admin and The whole of Congress needs to be concerned with the severe lack of credibility here at home.
I dont trust them at all.
Damned if we do, damned if we dont. I say dont for once. Be a nice change of pace.
if american foreign policy was not grounded in exploitation and greed - no one would ever begrudge the US if they didn't go into Syria ... Syrians don't want you there, the rest of the world doesn't want you there ... so, let it go ... but the fact is you can't because ... US foreign policy isn't dictated by the things americans nor the rest of the world can rally behind ...
excuse me, average american here. I dont believe its about either of those things.
My belief is, instead of worrying so much about how our credibility is internationally, The Admin and The whole of Congress needs to be concerned with the severe lack of credibility here at home.
I dont trust them at all.
Damned if we do, damned if we dont. I say dont for once. Be a nice change of pace.
if american foreign policy was not grounded in exploitation and greed - no one would ever begrudge the US if they didn't go into Syria ... Syrians don't want you there, the rest of the world doesn't want you there ... so, let it go ... but the fact is you can't because ... US foreign policy isn't dictated by the things americans nor the rest of the world can rally behind ...
Both posts are legit. Got some pretty knowledgeable people in here.
excuse me, average american here. I dont believe its about either of those things.
My belief is, instead of worrying so much about how our credibility is internationally, The Admin and The whole of Congress needs to be concerned with the severe lack of credibility here at home.
I dont trust them at all.
Damned if we do, damned if we dont. I say dont for once. Be a nice change of pace.
Agreed. This is not a war the American people want, this is not a war we need to fight, this is not a war we should fight.
Obama's rogue state tramples over every law it demands others uphold
For 67 years the US has pursued its own interests at the expense of global justice – no wonder people are sceptical now
George Monbiot
The Guardian, Monday 9 September 2013
You could almost pity these people. For 67 years successive US governments have resisted calls to reform the UN security council. They've defended a system which grants five nations a veto over world affairs, reducing all others to impotent spectators. They have abused the powers and trust with which they have been vested. They have collaborated with the other four permanent members (the UK, Russia, China and France) in a colonial carve-up, through which these nations can pursue their own corrupt interests at the expense of peace and global justice.
Eighty-three times the US has exercised its veto. On 42 of these occasions it has done so to prevent Israel's treatment of the Palestinians being censured. On the last occasion, 130 nations supported the resolution but Barack Obama spiked it. Though veto powers have been used less often since the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, the US has exercised them 14 times in the interim (in 13 cases to shield Israel), while Russia has used them nine times. Increasingly the permanent members have used the threat of a veto to prevent a resolution being discussed. They have bullied the rest of the world into silence.
Through this tyrannical dispensation – created at a time when other nations were either broken or voiceless – the great warmongers of the past 60 years remain responsible for global peace. The biggest weapons traders are tasked with global disarmament. Those who trample international law control the administration of justice.
But now, as the veto powers of two permanent members (Russia and China) obstruct its attempt to pour petrol on another Middle Eastern fire, the US suddenly decides that the system is illegitimate. Obama says: "If we end up using the UN security council not as a means of enforcing international norms and international law, but rather as a barrier … then I think people rightly are going to be pretty skeptical about the system." Well, yes.
Never have Obama or his predecessors attempted a serious reform of this system. Never have they sought to replace a corrupt global oligarchy with a democratic body. Never do they lament this injustice – until they object to the outcome. The same goes for every aspect of global governance.
Obama warned last week that Syria's use of poisoned gas "threatens to unravel the international norm against chemical weapons embraced by 189 nations". Unravelling the international norm is the US president's job.
In 1997 the US agreed to decommission the 31,000 tonnes of sarin, VX, mustard gas and other agents it possessed within 10 years. In 2007 it requested the maximum extension of the deadline permitted by the Chemical Weapons Convention – five years. Again it failed to keep its promise, and in 2012 it claimed they would be gone by 2021. Russia yesterday urged Syria to place its chemical weapons under international control. Perhaps it should press the US to do the same.
In 1998 the Clinton administration pushed a law through Congress which forbade international weapons inspectors from taking samples of chemicals in the US and allowed the president to refuse unannounced inspections. In 2002 the Bush government forced the sacking of José Maurício Bustani, the director general of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons. He had committed two unforgiveable crimes: seeking a rigorous inspection of US facilities; and pressing Saddam Hussein to sign the Chemical Weapons Convention, to help prevent the war George Bush was itching to wage.
The US used millions of gallons of chemical weapons in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. It also used them during its destruction of Falluja in 2004, then lied about it. The Reagan government helped Saddam Hussein to wage war with Iran in the 1980s while aware that he was using nerve and mustard gas. (The Bush administration then cited this deployment as an excuse to attack Iraq, 15 years later).
Smallpox has been eliminated from the human population, but two nations – the US and Russia – insist on keeping the pathogen in cold storage. They claim their purpose is to develop defences against possible biological weapons attack, but most experts in the field consider this to be nonsense. While raising concerns about each other's possession of the disease, they have worked together to bludgeon the other members of the World Health Organisation, which have pressed them to destroy their stocks.
In 2001 the New York Times reported that, without either Congressional oversight or a declaration to the Biological Weapons Convention, "the Pentagon has built a germ factory that could make enough lethal microbes to wipe out entire cities". The Pentagon claimed the purpose was defensive but, developed in contravention of international law, it didn't look good. The Bush government also sought to destroy the Biological Weapons Convention as an effective instrument by scuttling negotiations over the verification protocol required to make it work.
Looming over all this is the great unmentionable: the cover the US provides for Israel's weapons of mass destruction. It's not just that Israel – which refuses to ratify the Chemical Weapons Convention – has used white phosphorus as a weapon in Gaza (when deployed against people, phosphorus meets the convention's definition of "any chemical which through its chemical action on life processes can cause death, temporary incapacitation or permanent harm").
It's also that, as the Washington Post points out: "Syria's chemical weapons stockpile results from a never-acknowledged gentleman's agreement in the Middle East that as long as Israel had nuclear weapons, Syria's pursuit of chemical weapons would not attract much public acknowledgement or criticism." Israel has developed its nuclear arsenal in defiance of the non-proliferation treaty, and the US supports it in defiance of its own law, which forbids the disbursement of aid to a country with unauthorised weapons of mass destruction.
As for the norms of international law, let's remind ourselves where the US stands. It remains outside the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court, after declaring its citizens immune from prosecution. The crime of aggression it committed in Iraq – defined by the Nuremberg tribunal as "the supreme international crime" – goes not just unpunished but also unmentioned by anyone in government. The same applies to most of the subsidiary war crimes US troops committed during the invasion and occupation. Guantánamo Bay raises a finger to any notions of justice between nations.
None of this is to exonerate Bashar al-Assad's government – or its opponents – of a long series of hideous crimes, including the use of chemical weapons. Nor is it to suggest that there is an easy answer to the horrors in Syria.
But Obama's failure to be honest about his nation's record of destroying international norms and undermining international law, his myth-making about the role of the US in world affairs, and his one-sided interventions in the Middle East, all render the crisis in Syria even harder to resolve. Until there is some candour about past crimes and current injustices, until there is an effort to address the inequalities over which the US presides, everything it attempts – even if it doesn't involve guns and bombs – will stoke the cynicism and anger the president says he wants to quench.
During his first inauguration speech Barack Obama promised to "set aside childish things". We all knew what he meant. He hasn't done it.
excuse me, average american here. I dont believe its about either of those things.
My belief is, instead of worrying so much about how our credibility is internationally, The Admin and The whole of Congress needs to be concerned with the severe lack of credibility here at home.
I dont trust them at all.
Damned if we do, damned if we dont. I say dont for once. Be a nice change of pace.
if american foreign policy was not grounded in exploitation and greed - no one would ever begrudge the US if they didn't go into Syria ... Syrians don't want you there, the rest of the world doesn't want you there ... so, let it go ... but the fact is you can't because ... US foreign policy isn't dictated by the things americans nor the rest of the world can rally behind ...
Both posts are legit. Got some pretty knowledgeable people in here.
i agree with the 2 posts here...its the whole truth..i hope they dont do this shit..still..i see obama want to pressure this so badly..seems to me..he doing a "favor " to someone -something with this shit....
i dont get it..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Agreed. This is not a war the American people want, this is not a war we need to fight, this is not a war we should fight.
Seriously..this is really great if American people feels this way..atleast is what i see around in conversations..
really,better solve some problems inside your country this time....
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Syria has agreed to give up its chemical weapons to Russia. Interesting, let's see what our responses to that
how fuckin smart is that Putin guy??..no way to win this guy...he knows very well to play all political games..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
this change i suspected was orchestrated ... without making this administration seem weak and the less than zero appetite domestically for military strikes - they needed a way out ... and this was it ...
looks like the MIC will have to go back to africa or go back to running welfare programs ...
The silence from Hollywood has been deafening over the last several weeks.
If the exact same scenerio was taking place right now w/ Romney running things, what would be the freak-out level on a scale from 1 - 10?
I'd have to say it would probably be around 200 on a scale of 1-10, with a couple of TV specials thrown in and maybe an emergency music fest or two opposing the action. All of which would be warranted now, just like they were during the time leading up to Iraq. All I'm saying is, if you are going to oppose or support an action, be consistent and do it no matter who is in office.
Of course...the silence could be based on the fact that: "A lot of people don't want to feel anti-black by being opposed to Obama," - The Guy Who Played Santa Clause in Elf
Charlie Rose was granted exclusive access to interview Syrian President Bashar al-Assad about the alleged use of chemical weapons and his response to threat of war from the United States.
Syria has agreed to give up its chemical weapons to Russia. Interesting, let's see what our responses to that
They aren't giving them to Russia. They agreed to put their weapons under international control.
I don't see how this plays bad for Obama. Putin suggested that Syria should play ball to avoid a US strike...they agreed. How does that make Obama weak?
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Former French Foreign Minister: Anglo-French Operations Against Assad “Prepared, Preconceived And Planned”
Jurriaan Maessen
ExplosiveReports.Com
July 7, 2013
Former French Foreign Minister Roland Dumas recently told syrian news outlet SANA that plans to topple the Syrian Assad-government were in the making prior to the outbreak of the “crisis” that has now spiraled into an all-out civil war.
Dumas, speaking on the Syrian situation, stated that prior to the outbreak of sectarian conflict within Syria, he was approached by two individuals at a party in London, asking the former French Foreign Minister “if he would like to participate in preparations for an attack on Syria to topple the government in it”, Dumas told SANA on July 1..
“He said he refused this offer, but events proved that they were serious about what they said at that evening.”
Dumas also told another outlet that the individuals in question were “top British officials”:
“I am going to tell you something. I was in England two years before the violence in Syria on other business. I met with top British officials, who confessed to me, that they were preparing something in Syria”
Concluding that an invasion, or subversion, of Syria was predominantly a British plan, Dumas clearly stated it would be accomplished through “an invasion of rebels”.
“This was in Britain not in America.”, Dumas stated. “Britain was organizing an invasion of rebels into Syria. They even asked me, although I was no longer Minister of Foreign Affairs, if I would like to participate. Naturally, I refused, I said I am French, that does not interest me”
Like Iran, these statements by the ex-official clearly illustrate that Syria has found itself in the cross-hairs of Anglo-French aggression for some time now. Roland Dumas, who has served under Francois Mitterand in the late 80′s and early 90s, did not say why exactly he was approached by the two plotters- but he did state he was approached prior to the outbreak of the current crisis in Syria. This points to a pre-planned plot designed to oust the Assad-government in favor of Western interests. Dumas:
“This operation goes way back. It was prepared, preconceived and planned… in the region it is important to know that this Syrian regime has a very anti-Israeli stance”.
“Consequently”, Dumas went on to say, “everything that moves in the region…- and I have this from a former Israeli Prime Minister who told me ´we will try to get on with our neighbors but those who don´t agree with us will be destroyed. It is a type of politics, a view of history, why not after all. But one should know about it”
The silence from Hollywood has been deafening over the last several weeks.
If the exact same scenerio was taking place right now w/ Romney running things, what would be the freak-out level on a scale from 1 - 10?
I'd have to say it would probably be around 200 on a scale of 1-10, with a couple of TV specials thrown in and maybe an emergency music fest or two opposing the action. All of which would be warranted now, just like they were during the time leading up to Iraq. All I'm saying is, if you are going to oppose or support an action, be consistent and do it no matter who is in office.
Of course...the silence could be based on the fact that: "A lot of people don't want to feel anti-black by being opposed to Obama," - The Guy Who Played Santa Clause in Elf
The difference being that in the Spring of 2003 we witnessed preparations for a full-scale ground invasion of Iraq, as opposed to plans to engage in a limited bombing campaign.
Also, the political situation differs, in that even a large percentage of Republicans are opposed to an attack on Syria. Though this may have more to do with the fact that republicans are opposed to everything Obama does, and have been since the day he took office, as opposed to them having suddenly acquired any sort of moral opposition to dropping bombs on brown-skinned people.
We're still gonna find a reason to go in there. Mark my words. We will hit syria wether today, tomorrow or next week, we will and the domino effect of what happens next is gonna be a disaster at a scale not seen. If we hit syria, the whole world is gonna collapse.
My prediction:
1-we hit syria
2-Russia hits Israel
3-syria hits Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries against them
4-the people of those Arab countries will rise up against there own government
5-china will side with syria and maybe even say they want the $$$ owned to them by us
6-we'll attack china cuz we dnt have the $$$ to give them
7-Israel will attack syria and Iran
8-Hezbollah jumps right into the action
9-basically a war NEVER seen like this. Not even WWII
God I hope I'm fucken wrong but that's what I feel is gonna happen.
We're still gonna find a reason to go in there. Mark my words. We will hit syria wether today, tomorrow or next week, we will and the domino effect of what happens next is gonna be a disaster at a scale not seen. If we hit syria, the whole world is gonna collapse.
My prediction:
1-we hit syria
2-Russia hits Israel
3-syria hits Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries against them
4-the people of those Arab countries will rise up against there own government
5-china will side with syria and maybe even say they want the $$$ owned to them by us
6-we'll attack china cuz we dnt have the $$$ to give them
7-Israel will attack syria and Iran
8-Hezbollah jumps right into the action
9-basically a war NEVER seen like this. Not even WWII
God I hope I'm fucken wrong but that's what I feel is gonna happen.
someone needs to lay off the Glenn Beck for awhile...
We're still gonna find a reason to go in there. Mark my words. We will hit syria wether today, tomorrow or next week, we will and the domino effect of what happens next is gonna be a disaster at a scale not seen. If we hit syria, the whole world is gonna collapse.
My prediction:
1-we hit syria
2-Russia hits Israel
3-syria hits Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries against them
4-the people of those Arab countries will rise up against there own government
5-china will side with syria and maybe even say they want the $$$ owned to them by us
6-we'll attack china cuz we dnt have the $$$ to give them
7-Israel will attack syria and Iran
8-Hezbollah jumps right into the action
9-basically a war NEVER seen like this. Not even WWII
God I hope I'm fucken wrong but that's what I feel is gonna happen.
i think China is smarter than that!!
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
We're still gonna find a reason to go in there. Mark my words. We will hit syria wether today, tomorrow or next week, we will and the domino effect of what happens next is gonna be a disaster at a scale not seen. If we hit syria, the whole world is gonna collapse.
My prediction:
1-we hit syria
2-Russia hits Israel
3-syria hits Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries against them
4-the people of those Arab countries will rise up against there own government
5-china will side with syria and maybe even say they want the $$$ owned to them by us
6-we'll attack china cuz we dnt have the $$$ to give them
7-Israel will attack syria and Iran
8-Hezbollah jumps right into the action
9-basically a war NEVER seen like this. Not even WWII
God I hope I'm fucken wrong but that's what I feel is gonna happen.
someone needs to lay off the Glenn Beck for awhile...
You must not really know me.....Glenn beck? Me? Now that's funny
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"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
oh ... yeah ... i understood your tone! ... no miscommunication ...
Which left the administration doing a "yeah, but ..."
How long has Obama and his team been aware that this situation might come up some day??? A few weeks or days prior to the attack?
They look bush-league.
My belief is, instead of worrying so much about how our credibility is internationally, The Admin and The whole of Congress needs to be concerned with the severe lack of credibility here at home.
I dont trust them at all.
Damned if we do, damned if we dont. I say dont for once. Be a nice change of pace.
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if american foreign policy was not grounded in exploitation and greed - no one would ever begrudge the US if they didn't go into Syria ... Syrians don't want you there, the rest of the world doesn't want you there ... so, let it go ... but the fact is you can't because ... US foreign policy isn't dictated by the things americans nor the rest of the world can rally behind ...
Both posts are legit. Got some pretty knowledgeable people in here.
Agreed. This is not a war the American people want, this is not a war we need to fight, this is not a war we should fight.
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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... -every-law
Obama's rogue state tramples over every law it demands others uphold
For 67 years the US has pursued its own interests at the expense of global justice – no wonder people are sceptical now
George Monbiot
The Guardian, Monday 9 September 2013
You could almost pity these people. For 67 years successive US governments have resisted calls to reform the UN security council. They've defended a system which grants five nations a veto over world affairs, reducing all others to impotent spectators. They have abused the powers and trust with which they have been vested. They have collaborated with the other four permanent members (the UK, Russia, China and France) in a colonial carve-up, through which these nations can pursue their own corrupt interests at the expense of peace and global justice.
Eighty-three times the US has exercised its veto. On 42 of these occasions it has done so to prevent Israel's treatment of the Palestinians being censured. On the last occasion, 130 nations supported the resolution but Barack Obama spiked it. Though veto powers have been used less often since the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, the US has exercised them 14 times in the interim (in 13 cases to shield Israel), while Russia has used them nine times. Increasingly the permanent members have used the threat of a veto to prevent a resolution being discussed. They have bullied the rest of the world into silence.
Through this tyrannical dispensation – created at a time when other nations were either broken or voiceless – the great warmongers of the past 60 years remain responsible for global peace. The biggest weapons traders are tasked with global disarmament. Those who trample international law control the administration of justice.
But now, as the veto powers of two permanent members (Russia and China) obstruct its attempt to pour petrol on another Middle Eastern fire, the US suddenly decides that the system is illegitimate. Obama says: "If we end up using the UN security council not as a means of enforcing international norms and international law, but rather as a barrier … then I think people rightly are going to be pretty skeptical about the system." Well, yes.
Never have Obama or his predecessors attempted a serious reform of this system. Never have they sought to replace a corrupt global oligarchy with a democratic body. Never do they lament this injustice – until they object to the outcome. The same goes for every aspect of global governance.
Obama warned last week that Syria's use of poisoned gas "threatens to unravel the international norm against chemical weapons embraced by 189 nations". Unravelling the international norm is the US president's job.
In 1997 the US agreed to decommission the 31,000 tonnes of sarin, VX, mustard gas and other agents it possessed within 10 years. In 2007 it requested the maximum extension of the deadline permitted by the Chemical Weapons Convention – five years. Again it failed to keep its promise, and in 2012 it claimed they would be gone by 2021. Russia yesterday urged Syria to place its chemical weapons under international control. Perhaps it should press the US to do the same.
In 1998 the Clinton administration pushed a law through Congress which forbade international weapons inspectors from taking samples of chemicals in the US and allowed the president to refuse unannounced inspections. In 2002 the Bush government forced the sacking of José Maurício Bustani, the director general of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons. He had committed two unforgiveable crimes: seeking a rigorous inspection of US facilities; and pressing Saddam Hussein to sign the Chemical Weapons Convention, to help prevent the war George Bush was itching to wage.
The US used millions of gallons of chemical weapons in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. It also used them during its destruction of Falluja in 2004, then lied about it. The Reagan government helped Saddam Hussein to wage war with Iran in the 1980s while aware that he was using nerve and mustard gas. (The Bush administration then cited this deployment as an excuse to attack Iraq, 15 years later).
Smallpox has been eliminated from the human population, but two nations – the US and Russia – insist on keeping the pathogen in cold storage. They claim their purpose is to develop defences against possible biological weapons attack, but most experts in the field consider this to be nonsense. While raising concerns about each other's possession of the disease, they have worked together to bludgeon the other members of the World Health Organisation, which have pressed them to destroy their stocks.
In 2001 the New York Times reported that, without either Congressional oversight or a declaration to the Biological Weapons Convention, "the Pentagon has built a germ factory that could make enough lethal microbes to wipe out entire cities". The Pentagon claimed the purpose was defensive but, developed in contravention of international law, it didn't look good. The Bush government also sought to destroy the Biological Weapons Convention as an effective instrument by scuttling negotiations over the verification protocol required to make it work.
Looming over all this is the great unmentionable: the cover the US provides for Israel's weapons of mass destruction. It's not just that Israel – which refuses to ratify the Chemical Weapons Convention – has used white phosphorus as a weapon in Gaza (when deployed against people, phosphorus meets the convention's definition of "any chemical which through its chemical action on life processes can cause death, temporary incapacitation or permanent harm").
It's also that, as the Washington Post points out: "Syria's chemical weapons stockpile results from a never-acknowledged gentleman's agreement in the Middle East that as long as Israel had nuclear weapons, Syria's pursuit of chemical weapons would not attract much public acknowledgement or criticism." Israel has developed its nuclear arsenal in defiance of the non-proliferation treaty, and the US supports it in defiance of its own law, which forbids the disbursement of aid to a country with unauthorised weapons of mass destruction.
As for the norms of international law, let's remind ourselves where the US stands. It remains outside the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court, after declaring its citizens immune from prosecution. The crime of aggression it committed in Iraq – defined by the Nuremberg tribunal as "the supreme international crime" – goes not just unpunished but also unmentioned by anyone in government. The same applies to most of the subsidiary war crimes US troops committed during the invasion and occupation. Guantánamo Bay raises a finger to any notions of justice between nations.
None of this is to exonerate Bashar al-Assad's government – or its opponents – of a long series of hideous crimes, including the use of chemical weapons. Nor is it to suggest that there is an easy answer to the horrors in Syria.
But Obama's failure to be honest about his nation's record of destroying international norms and undermining international law, his myth-making about the role of the US in world affairs, and his one-sided interventions in the Middle East, all render the crisis in Syria even harder to resolve. Until there is some candour about past crimes and current injustices, until there is an effort to address the inequalities over which the US presides, everything it attempts – even if it doesn't involve guns and bombs – will stoke the cynicism and anger the president says he wants to quench.
During his first inauguration speech Barack Obama promised to "set aside childish things". We all knew what he meant. He hasn't done it.
i dont get it..
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
really,better solve some problems inside your country this time....
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
If the exact same scenerio was taking place right now w/ Romney running things, what would be the freak-out level on a scale from 1 - 10?
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
looks like the MIC will have to go back to africa or go back to running welfare programs ...
I'd have to say it would probably be around 200 on a scale of 1-10, with a couple of TV specials thrown in and maybe an emergency music fest or two opposing the action. All of which would be warranted now, just like they were during the time leading up to Iraq. All I'm saying is, if you are going to oppose or support an action, be consistent and do it no matter who is in office.
Of course...the silence could be based on the fact that: "A lot of people don't want to feel anti-black by being opposed to Obama," - The Guy Who Played Santa Clause in Elf
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/syria-why-hollywoods-anti-war-623326
:fp:
Charlie Rose was granted exclusive access to interview Syrian President Bashar al-Assad about the alleged use of chemical weapons and his response to threat of war from the United States.
http://video.pbs.org/video/2365076639/? ... harlierose
They aren't giving them to Russia. They agreed to put their weapons under international control.
I don't see how this plays bad for Obama. Putin suggested that Syria should play ball to avoid a US strike...they agreed. How does that make Obama weak?
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Former French Foreign Minister: Anglo-French Operations Against Assad “Prepared, Preconceived And Planned”
Jurriaan Maessen
ExplosiveReports.Com
July 7, 2013
Former French Foreign Minister Roland Dumas recently told syrian news outlet SANA that plans to topple the Syrian Assad-government were in the making prior to the outbreak of the “crisis” that has now spiraled into an all-out civil war.
Dumas, speaking on the Syrian situation, stated that prior to the outbreak of sectarian conflict within Syria, he was approached by two individuals at a party in London, asking the former French Foreign Minister “if he would like to participate in preparations for an attack on Syria to topple the government in it”, Dumas told SANA on July 1..
“He said he refused this offer, but events proved that they were serious about what they said at that evening.”
Dumas also told another outlet that the individuals in question were “top British officials”:
“I am going to tell you something. I was in England two years before the violence in Syria on other business. I met with top British officials, who confessed to me, that they were preparing something in Syria”
Concluding that an invasion, or subversion, of Syria was predominantly a British plan, Dumas clearly stated it would be accomplished through “an invasion of rebels”.
“This was in Britain not in America.”, Dumas stated. “Britain was organizing an invasion of rebels into Syria. They even asked me, although I was no longer Minister of Foreign Affairs, if I would like to participate. Naturally, I refused, I said I am French, that does not interest me”
Like Iran, these statements by the ex-official clearly illustrate that Syria has found itself in the cross-hairs of Anglo-French aggression for some time now. Roland Dumas, who has served under Francois Mitterand in the late 80′s and early 90s, did not say why exactly he was approached by the two plotters- but he did state he was approached prior to the outbreak of the current crisis in Syria. This points to a pre-planned plot designed to oust the Assad-government in favor of Western interests. Dumas:
“This operation goes way back. It was prepared, preconceived and planned… in the region it is important to know that this Syrian regime has a very anti-Israeli stance”.
“Consequently”, Dumas went on to say, “everything that moves in the region…- and I have this from a former Israeli Prime Minister who told me ´we will try to get on with our neighbors but those who don´t agree with us will be destroyed. It is a type of politics, a view of history, why not after all. But one should know about it”
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Unfortunately you are correct. You would think that artists would never want to appear as sheep.
The difference being that in the Spring of 2003 we witnessed preparations for a full-scale ground invasion of Iraq, as opposed to plans to engage in a limited bombing campaign.
Also, the political situation differs, in that even a large percentage of Republicans are opposed to an attack on Syria. Though this may have more to do with the fact that republicans are opposed to everything Obama does, and have been since the day he took office, as opposed to them having suddenly acquired any sort of moral opposition to dropping bombs on brown-skinned people.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... the-lines/
I thought is speech last night was pretty good, too...
oh, yeah...O-bamz can't get credit for anything...sorry, I forgot...
My prediction:
1-we hit syria
2-Russia hits Israel
3-syria hits Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries against them
4-the people of those Arab countries will rise up against there own government
5-china will side with syria and maybe even say they want the $$$ owned to them by us
6-we'll attack china cuz we dnt have the $$$ to give them
7-Israel will attack syria and Iran
8-Hezbollah jumps right into the action
9-basically a war NEVER seen like this. Not even WWII
God I hope I'm fucken wrong but that's what I feel is gonna happen.
someone needs to lay off the Glenn Beck for awhile...
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
You must not really know me.....Glenn beck? Me? Now that's funny