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with W in a fighter pilot's outfit aboard some u.s.s. carrierJimmyV wrote:I think a strong case can be made that "Mission Accomplished" represents the low water mark for the office of President.for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7
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unsung wrote:JimmyV wrote:I think a strong case can be made that "Mission Accomplished" represents the low water mark for the office of President.
Nixon resigned.
Clinton and Johnson were impeached.
Numerous Presidents have signed damaging legislation into laws.
Mission Accomplished wasn't even the low point of the Bush Presidency. I'd say Abu-Ghraib and water boarding were.
And a case could be made that starting a war for phony reasons and then staging a stunt landing on an aircraft carrier before a giant mission accomplished banner when there was no plan for what to do next trumps everything you listed.___________________________________________
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w on the carrier with "mission accomplished" gets the...
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that was one of the things that made me embarrassed for my country.
what the fuck was the mission that allegedly got accomplished?? i don't think he knew the objectives other than get the oil fields and get "that man that tried to kill my dad...""You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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chadwick wrote:
with W in a fighter pilot's outfit aboard some u.s.s. carrierJimmyV wrote:I think a strong case can be made that "Mission Accomplished" represents the low water mark for the office of President.
Yep___________________________________________
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Cosmo wrote:
...chadwick wrote:i get that. that makes perfect sense to me. what does not make sense is no wreckage in a field in PA & no debris field at the pentagon.
Regarding Flight 93... I can understand the alternative theory of it being shot down by an Air Force or Air National Guard F-15 or F-16 over the sparsely populated region over Pennsylvania, rather than allowing it to reach densly populated areas.
That is a tough call to make and an extremely difficult order for a fighter pilot to follow.
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As for the greater conspiracy... All I need to point out is the total ineptness of the Bush Administration. This would have had to be a tremendous operation that involved thousands of Americans in many sectors to pull off... in a relatively short period (less than 9 months). These people are not capable of pulling off something of this grand magnitude without totally fucking it all up.
I don't think the towers coming down or the Pentagon was part of some great government conspiracy. It is possible the plane in PA was shot down, but that would indicate a reaction to unfolding events that were out of the Administration's control.
But that said...if there was a conspiracy...IF...I think it would need to be bigger than Bush. We are getting into New World Order/Illuminati territory. A bridge too far for me.
But those towers did fall exactly as they would in a controlled demolition. Watching that morning I was struck by how perfectly the fell. That to me is the most curious part.___________________________________________
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same here. i was embarrassed to be an american. pretty much, yep. W couldn't be a navy fighter pilot if his life depended on it. and whoever got him dressed & in that suit should be thrown overboard. and if it was W's idea, "hey fuckers i wanna play dress up & take some fancy ass picture of me being all very badass"gimmesometruth27 wrote:w on the carrier with "mission accomplished" gets the...
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that was one of the things that made me embarrassed for my country.
what the fuck was the mission that allegedly got accomplished?? i don't think he knew the objectives other than get the oil fields and get "that man that tried to kill my dad..."
he should be laughed at a lot for all of historyfor poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce0 -
chadwick wrote:
same here. i was embarrassed to be an american. pretty much, yep. W couldn't be a navy fighter pilot if his life depended on it. and whoever got him dressed & in that suit should be thrown overboard. and if it was W's idea, "how fuckers i wanna play dress up & take some fancy ass picture of me being all very badass"gimmesometruth27 wrote:w on the carrier with "mission accomplished" gets the...
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that was one of the things that made me embarrassed for my country.
what the fuck was the mission that allegedly got accomplished?? i don't think he knew the objectives other than get the oil fields and get "that man that tried to kill my dad..."
he should be laughed at a lot for all of history
I do wonder if he looks back on that with embarrassment. How could he not?___________________________________________
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surprise... it is bigger than bush. it is always bigger than the president. the president actually knows almost nothing when the shit hits the fan. we have internal cells working in this country & worldwide. the right hand does not know what the left hand is up too. the cia/fbi for starters are some slick ass dudes. and that's just the beginningJimmyV wrote:I don't think the towers coming down or the Pentagon was part of some great government conspiracy. It is possible the plane in PA was shot down, but that would indicate a reaction to unfolding events that were out of the Administration's control.
But that said...if there was a conspiracy...IF...I think it would need to be bigger than Bush. We are getting into New World Order/Illuminati territory. A bridge too far for me.
But those towers did fall exactly as they would in a controlled demolition. Watching that morning I was struck by how perfectly the fell. That to me is the most curious part.for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce0 -
this is the thing with the 9/11 conspiracy theory ...
in isolation - all the supposed evidence pointing to a conspiracy can be dispelled or argued or rationalized but collectively ... it's a different story ...
knowing full well these facts:
* the military industrial complex is alive and well in the US
* war profiteering and economic imperialism are cornerstones to US foreign policy
* war with iraq was based on lies and manipulation
you have to look at the entire thing more critically ... yeah - i believe 9/11 was a conspiracy but it has nothing to do with building 5, pancake demolition, insurance claims, etc.. ... for me it comes down to this - without 9/11 would the war machine be able to sell 2 wars simultaneously that resulted in the following:
1. mass expenditures on arms
2. global and regional instability
3. sharp rise in the price of oil where the main benefactors are oil companies
4. strategic geopolitical presence of the US/Britain in the middle east
all things that have dominated US foreign policy for a long time ...
so, it isn't about believing in a conspiracy ... it's believing that there wasn't ...0 -
JimmyV wrote:
The plane is underneath the floors that collapsed down on top of it when it went into the Pentagon.
Again...why do this and blame bin Laden? Saddam was the target they wanted.
OHHHH, I SEE IT NOW!
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
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So...if there was no plane crash at the Pentagon...what happened to American airlines flight 77 and the 59 souls aboard?
I think the Pentagon part is the weakest link.___________________________________________
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Also important to remember:
The Pentagon is HUGE and___________________________________________
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Here are some eyewitness accounts of the attack on the Pentagon:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICL ... esses.html
Remember, even if there was a conspiracy, crashing the planes is probably the easiest part.___________________________________________
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thank youpolaris_x wrote:this is the thing with the 9/11 conspiracy theory ...
in isolation - all the supposed evidence pointing to a conspiracy can be dispelled or argued or rationalized but collectively ... it's a different story ...
knowing full well these facts:
* the military industrial complex is alive and well in the US
* war profiteering and economic imperialism are cornerstones to US foreign policy
* war with iraq was based on lies and manipulation
you have to look at the entire thing more critically ... yeah - i believe 9/11 was a conspiracy but it has nothing to do with building 5, pancake demolition, insurance claims, etc.. ... for me it comes down to this - without 9/11 would the war machine be able to sell 2 wars simultaneously that resulted in the following:
1. mass expenditures on arms
2. global and regional instability
3. sharp rise in the price of oil where the main benefactors are oil companies
4. strategic geopolitical presence of the US/Britain in the middle east
all things that have dominated US foreign policy for a long time ...
so, it isn't about believing in a conspiracy ... it's believing that there wasn't ...for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce0 -
...polaris_x wrote:this is the thing with the 9/11 conspiracy theory ...
in isolation - all the supposed evidence pointing to a conspiracy can be dispelled or argued or rationalized but collectively ... it's a different story ...
knowing full well these facts:
* the military industrial complex is alive and well in the US
* war profiteering and economic imperialism are cornerstones to US foreign policy
* war with iraq was based on lies and manipulation
you have to look at the entire thing more critically ... yeah - i believe 9/11 was a conspiracy but it has nothing to do with building 5, pancake demolition, insurance claims, etc.. ... for me it comes down to this - without 9/11 would the war machine be able to sell 2 wars simultaneously that resulted in the following:
1. mass expenditures on arms
2. global and regional instability
3. sharp rise in the price of oil where the main benefactors are oil companies
4. strategic geopolitical presence of the US/Britain in the middle east
all things that have dominated US foreign policy for a long time ...
so, it isn't about believing in a conspiracy ... it's believing that there wasn't ...
My belief... these attacks were symbolic in nature... strike at America's military might (Penatagon), economic empire (World Trade Centers) and Government (Capitol Building or White House) by fundamentalists who were infuriated by U.S. presence in the Middle East and our unshakeable defense of everything Israel does in that region.
The Bush Administration saw this as a grand opportunity to to take advantage of the events and spin them into a big win... politically, economically, militarily and globally. If anything, The Bush Administration was more of a seedy, carpetbagging opportunist, than brilliant, Bond villian-like evil mastermind.Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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Cosmo wrote:...
My belief... these attacks were symbolic in nature... strike at America's military might (Penatagon), economic empire (World Trade Centers) and Government (Capitol Building or White House) by fundamentalists who were infuriated by U.S. presence in the Middle East and our unshakeable defense of everything Israel does in that region.
The Bush Administration saw this as a grand opportunity to to take advantage of the events and spin them into a big win... politically, economically, militarily and globally. If anything, The Bush Administration was more of a seedy, carpetbagging opportunist, than brilliant, Bond villian-like evil mastermind.
that makes no sense to me ...
you kill what 3,000 people (please no one try and insinuate that they are meaningless)!? ... and in return you lose your sovereignty as a nation, you get invaded and millions of your people die!? ...
that doesn't add up at all ... it doesn't take too much intelligence to realize that the there would be payback from a strike like that ... you want to strike at america's wealth - you destroy their oil refineries, you want to attack america's military - you attack the bases closest to your location ...0 -
polaris_x wrote:Cosmo wrote:...
My belief... these attacks were symbolic in nature... strike at America's military might (Penatagon), economic empire (World Trade Centers) and Government (Capitol Building or White House) by fundamentalists who were infuriated by U.S. presence in the Middle East and our unshakeable defense of everything Israel does in that region.
The Bush Administration saw this as a grand opportunity to to take advantage of the events and spin them into a big win... politically, economically, militarily and globally. If anything, The Bush Administration was more of a seedy, carpetbagging opportunist, than brilliant, Bond villian-like evil mastermind.
that makes no sense to me ...
you kill what 3,000 people (please no one try and insinuate that they are meaningless)!? ... and in return you lose your sovereignty as a nation, you get invaded and millions of your people die!? ...
that doesn't add up at all ... it doesn't take too much intelligence to realize that the there would be payback from a strike like that ... you want to strike at america's wealth - you destroy their oil refineries, you want to attack america's military - you attack the bases closest to your location ...
Al Qaeda wanted to show that they could strike on American soil. If there was a symbolism to the attacks it was that.___________________________________________
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...polaris_x wrote:that makes no sense to me ...
you kill what 3,000 people (please no one try and insinuate that they are meaningless)!? ... and in return you lose your sovereignty as a nation, you get invaded and millions of your people die!? ...
that doesn't add up at all ... it doesn't take too much intelligence to realize that the there would be payback from a strike like that ... you want to strike at america's wealth - you destroy their oil refineries, you want to attack america's military - you attack the bases closest to your location ...
Who.. huh... WHAT???
Who killed 3,000 people? Iraq? Afghanistan?
NO. It was al Qaeda. And last time I checked, al Qaeda was never a nation nor did it have any soverignty... or have 1,000,000 people.
Also, al Qaeda, not being a nation, does not possess the resources to wage a conventional war on anyone. They use a simple strategy of asymetrical tactics to strike once and make it count (just the way the Americans taught them to do against the Soviets in Afghanistan in the 1980s). It takes them a long time to plan an attack and a much longer time to reload quickly enough to maintain a steady assault. They are basically a musket firing rifle... takes a long time to load and only fires one bullet. So, the shots have to count.
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i don't know what military strategies you study... but, if you were trying to strike America using your strategies and tactics.. you would not have lasted one week.Post edited by Cosmo onAllen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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polaris_x wrote:JimmyV wrote:Al Qaeda wanted to show that they could strike on American soil. If there was a symbolism to the attacks it was that.
again ... understanding the consequences - what good did that do? ... just doesn't add up for me ...
But you are not a fanatic engaged in jihad against what you believe to be Satan incarnate. That is the difference.___________________________________________
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