lies, scams, corruption & brainwashing leading us to war
chadwick
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i actually feel many who have ran this country deserve to be thrown into prison & fully should be expected to work hard on a manual labor work detail crew busting boulders with sledge hammers. dick cheney you are one of the bad guys who should be behind bars as is bush junior & donald rummy.
the 3 stooges? yep.
let's talk about the cia for awhile. anyone got some good stuff? what about half assed bullshit news channels slinging out falsities. the propaganda is very much tiresome yet millions subscribe & throughly do not believe they are sheep yet they fully are herded along
in 15 seconds i am smashing my cell phone... this is my dream/goal.
the 3 stooges? yep.
let's talk about the cia for awhile. anyone got some good stuff? what about half assed bullshit news channels slinging out falsities. the propaganda is very much tiresome yet millions subscribe & throughly do not believe they are sheep yet they fully are herded along
in 15 seconds i am smashing my cell phone... this is my dream/goal.
for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
anyone watching the dick cheney television special that's airing? wonder if it can be watched online?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
As awful as his lies were...
As much of a tragedy as the Iraq war was...
...I could not in good faith support a President who ordered a former President arrested and sent out of the country to face charges. I don't know what the answer is because I too would have liked to see Bush held accountable, but that is not it.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I couldn't possibly stomach it.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
http://billmoyers.com/content/live-chat ... d-wolff-2/
Professor Wolff:
What realistic basis is there for hope and activism?
For the past 35 years in the U.S., most of the trends for the most important aspects of our lives have gotten steadily worse. For example, the ongoing transfer of wealth to the richest 1% and the inhumane inequality of wealth and power; the corporate takeover of our supposed "representatives" in government (who mostly do the opposite of what the common people need and want); the gargantuan increase in military spending and the surveillance state; numerous laws that outrageously violate the Bill of Rights and other human rights (without even amending the constitution); wars based on lies, wars that last for over a decade, drones that kill thousands of innocents, kill lists and executions without charges, evidence, trials, or juries; indefinite detention, torture, and murder; the betrayal of the American people by both Republican and Democratic parties; the gutting of the U.S. economy and the looting of the U.S. treasury; the severe, steady reduction of the middle class and the extreme increase of the poverty class; neither party doing anything significant to create enough good paying jobs or even to provide adequately for 15 to 20 million longterm unemployed citizens; the skyrocketing cost of college and nearly $1 trillion in student loan debt; millions of citizens without health care coverage and both parties' failure to establish nationalized, universal health care, like every other affluent democracy has; the willful neglect of, and severe deterioration of, the U.S. infrastructure...The list of examples runs into the hundreds! Worst of all, for 35 years (and even now, after so much climate-caused destruction) both Republicans and Democrats have failed unforgivably to do anything sufficient to slow (much less stop) the man-made, fossil-fuel-caused climate changes that will increasingly kill most life on earth and destroy human civilization within a relatively short amount of time (some say 50 to 200 years).
I'm not saying we should passively surrender to the forces of evil and destruction -- but when you look at the truly horrible trends in the U.S. (and in many other nations) over the past 35 years, what is the realistic basis for hope and activism? Do you honestly think people in the U.S. (and in other nations) can and will save democracy and civil liberties, create economic justice and social equality, and stop climate destruction before it's too late?
I want so badly to believe that the common people of the U.S. and the world will have a good and humane future -- but for the past 35 years I have not seen (and I do not currently see) a progressive, humanistic, or environmental movement that has achieved many fundamental changes or major victories in reversing the decline and destruction caused by the capitalist, imperialist, and militarist corporate-states around the world.
So what hope do you honestly think humanity has in such dire circumstances?
what good is international law if only some people are above it and only some are held to account for their crimes??
we are only as good of a country as we allow ourselves to be. if we can let a war criminal walk, then it sends the message to the rest of the world that subsequent leaders are complicit, and by generalization, the citizens who refuse to have these leaders held accountable, are just as guilty.
history is gonna judge us for this, and it is not going to be kind.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
It's true. Hard to be the city on a hill when our own leaders are not held accountable. And you are right, history is not going to be kind. Nor should it be in this case.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
How about one word - POWER, world power and control
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
anyone watching the dick cheney television special that's airing? wonder if it can be watched online?[/quote viewtopic.php?f=13&t=205743
It was all about oil and rebuilding the military complex in order to make money.
There was a reason why the Arab Countries sat this one out. They knew Hussein was being contained and not a threat. Their greater fear was from Iran. Hussein kept Iran in check and had been doing so since the 1980s.
The U.S. under the Bush administration reassured the Arabic neighbors that they would hold Iran in check and even use military force against them. The whole military operation was supposed to wrap up in 6 to 12 months, tops. Greeted as liberators... remember?
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They should have asked me... or at least... they should have asked George H.W. Bush, who would have told them that this war wouldn't be prudent. The containment was working... we need to get Afghanistan up and running first. The Hussein regime will weaken and decay from the inside... with time.
Hail, Hail!!!
I agree with this. As much as I dislike the previous admin. I don't believe throwing a former President to the the wolves is the right way to go. I totally agree with President Obama on this. It would have set a nasty precedent*.
*edit for stupid auto correct*
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
exactly ... the reality is that blame for the corporatization of gov't rests partly on the people ... if the people of which a democratic society is relied upon would not allow themselves to be so easily manipulated and lied to - perhaps things would be different ... if you look at your slate of elected officials - the majority lack the two things people should want in a politician ... integrity and smarts ...
easy to sit here and blame people like bush/cheney ... but frig at least 45% of the population voted for him and when it was clear he frauded an election and then lied about the motivations for war ... the majority of americans sat on their hands and did nothing ...
This is very true. The 2004 election is one of the more disappointing performances by the American electorate.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
the GOP are useless but not that stupid ... reagan, bush 1, clinton, bush 2, obama ... they could all go to the hague ...
I think the Tea Party and Birther wings are just that stupid.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
sure ... but stupid enough to send obama to the hague knowing full well that the previous ones would also need to be sent!? ... those people are just pawns ... the puppeteers pull the strings and they know better than to do something moronic like open up that can of worms ...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
anyone remember that? or are we revising history to make ourselves feel better and more righteous yet again?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
uhhh ... i think you are too wrapped up in your partisan divide to see that the people that have profited from war play both sides of the fence ... you send one of these asshats to the hague - you're sending all of them ... you think obama is gonna sit on trial in the ICC and not bring down the whole house of cards!? ...
for a country that could care less about accountability - i find it utterly laughable that there is a remote chance in hell it would happen ... don't get me wrong - if we were to bet on this ... i would love to lose that bet ...