if you think that the republicans would NOT send clinton or obama to the hague, you are completely lost. they just need an excuse and a majority. what do you think they have been looking for the last 5 years? they have been looking for any reason at all to end obama's presidency.
uhhh ... i think you are too wrapped up in your partisan divide to see that the people that have profited from war play both sides of the fence ... you send one of these asshats to the hague - you're sending all of them ... you think obama is gonna sit on trial in the ICC and not bring down the whole house of cards!? ...
for a country that could care less about accountability - i find it utterly laughable that there is a remote chance in hell it would happen ... don't get me wrong - if we were to bet on this ... i would love to lose that bet ...
the republicans are always looking for an excuse to end a democratic administration. remember whitewater? there was nothing there. remember ken starr? he spent $47 million tax dollars investigating clinton's affair. no outrage there about wasting tax money. and impeachment. over a blow job. they were going to try clinton in the senate over an affair. the dems let bush and cheney walk after committing war crimes and crimes against humanity.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
the republicans are always looking for an excuse to end a democratic administration. remember whitewater? there was nothing there. remember ken starr? he spent $47 million tax dollars investigating clinton's affair. no outrage there about wasting tax money. and impeachment. over a blow job. they were going to try clinton in the senate over an affair. the dems let bush and cheney walk after committing war crimes and crimes against humanity.
dude ... impeachment, ending administrations, sabotage, whatever else they can think of ... sure ... but it's domestic ... but to send a president to the ICC!??? ... that's never gonna happen based on how things are now ... never ...
the republicans are always looking for an excuse to end a democratic administration. remember whitewater? there was nothing there. remember ken starr? he spent $47 million tax dollars investigating clinton's affair. no outrage there about wasting tax money. and impeachment. over a blow job. they were going to try clinton in the senate over an affair. the dems let bush and cheney walk after committing war crimes and crimes against humanity.
dude ... impeachment, ending administrations, sabotage, whatever else they can think of ... sure ... but it's domestic ... but to send a president to the ICC!??? ... that's never gonna happen based on how things are now ... never ...
C'mon guys, see past partisan politics. Quit blaming one party when the other does the exact same thing when they have the power. We are smarter than that.
Amen to this.
(and if we aren't smarter than that, we damn well should be)
the republicans are always looking for an excuse to end a democratic administration. remember whitewater? there was nothing there. remember ken starr? he spent $47 million tax dollars investigating clinton's affair. no outrage there about wasting tax money. and impeachment. over a blow job. they were going to try clinton in the senate over an affair. the dems let bush and cheney walk after committing war crimes and crimes against humanity.
dude ... impeachment, ending administrations, sabotage, whatever else they can think of ... sure ... but it's domestic ... but to send a president to the ICC!??? ... that's never gonna happen based on how things are now ... never ...
And it never should.
Every administration is in cahoots with the next, because it's the system that runs the show, not the scapegoats at the top. Therefore, there's a lot of protection. As much as I think Cheney was part of the system (he probably still is) and should be charged and hung, it'll never happen. Blaming the scapegoats and individual administrations is all part of the show, so keep on blaming who you hate, because you're just doing what the system wants: taking sides when there really is only one.
C'mon guys, see past partisan politics. Quit blaming one party when the other does the exact same thing when they have the power. We are smarter than that.
Yes, but you are clearly all for sides. Rooting for Ron Paul is rooting for a side.
It is not partisanship to admit that in today's America one political party is more reckless than the other. The GOP proved that with the impeachment fiasco. They would absolutely use this to their advantage, too.
This should never happen, to any President, of any party, ever.
It is not partisanship to admit that in today's America one political party is more reckless than the other. The GOP proved that with the impeachment fiasco. They would absolutely use this to their advantage, too.
This should never happen, to any President, of any party, ever.
hey ... i got no love for the GOP and I agree with your sentiment to a certain degree ... all i'm saying is that as reckless as they are - they are not gonna send obama to the ICC ...
and i would definitely disagree with your last sentiment ...
i would hands down call the US the greatest country in the world if it ever had the courage to hold themselves accountable to the world ... i'm not holding my breath tho ...
It is not partisanship to admit that in today's America one political party is more reckless than the other. The GOP proved that with the impeachment fiasco. They would absolutely use this to their advantage, too.
This should never happen, to any President, of any party, ever.
hey ... i got no love for the GOP and I agree with your sentiment to a certain degree ... all i'm saying is that as reckless as they are - they are not gonna send obama to the ICC ...
and i would definitely disagree with your last sentiment ...
i would hands down call the US the greatest country in the world if it ever had the courage to hold themselves accountable to the world ... i'm not holding my breath tho ...
I hear you. I am not against Bush or Obama or any President being held accountable for their actions while in office, I just think it should be done in American courts.
Also, since the 2nd Amendment is so highly regarded by some it might be a good time remember the 6th Amendment:
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.
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C'mon guys, see past partisan politics. Quit blaming one party when the other does the exact same thing when they have the power. We are smarter than that.
Yes, but you are clearly all for sides. Rooting for Ron Paul is rooting for a side.
Considering the GOP fights Ron Paul more than the Dems do which side do you think I'm on?
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the republicans are always looking for an excuse to end a democratic administration. remember whitewater? there was nothing there. remember ken starr? he spent $47 million tax dollars investigating clinton's affair. no outrage there about wasting tax money. and impeachment. over a blow job. they were going to try clinton in the senate over an affair. the dems let bush and cheney walk after committing war crimes and crimes against humanity.
Clinton wasn't impeached because of an affair or because he got a bj. Clinton was impeached because he lied under Oath.
I hear you. I am not against Bush or Obama or any President being held accountable for their actions while in office, I just think it should be done in American courts.
except those crimes have been committed against sovereign people in foreign land ...
I hear you. I am not against Bush or Obama or any President being held accountable for their actions while in office, I just think it should be done in American courts.
except those crimes have been committed against sovereign people in foreign land ...
Any trial of a former President of the United States, no matter where it was held, would be a circus. If that trial were held outside the U.S. it would be even more chaotic. I would not trust the security of the courtroom or the impartiality of the judge and jury. Any such trial would need to take place within the U.S.
Could George Bush get a fair trial in The Hague? I doubt it very much.
I hear you. I am not against Bush or Obama or any President being held accountable for their actions while in office, I just think it should be done in American courts.
except those crimes have been committed against sovereign people in foreign land ...
If you look at it that way, every president since Kennedy could be brought up on some charge in a foreign country.
I hear you. I am not against Bush or Obama or any President being held accountable for their actions while in office, I just think it should be done in American courts.
except those crimes have been committed against sovereign people in foreign land ...
If you look at it that way, every president since Kennedy could be brought up on some charge in a foreign country.
I'm sure Ike, Truman and FDR could be charged somehow/somewhere as well.
where was the debris field when supossedly the pentagon was hit by a jumbo airliner hhmm? & where was the debris field in that supposed field in PA? i watched a video yesterday that i saw for the first time & i am astounded at what the u.s. government has pulled off.
this was a false flag like nobodies business. i go find video. please wait.
http://youtu.be/JTJehfQkuyE
a 757 did not hit the pentagon nor did a 757 slammed into a field in pennsylvania
Any trial of a former President of the United States, no matter where it was held, would be a circus. If that trial were held outside the U.S. it would be even more chaotic. I would not trust the security of the courtroom or the impartiality of the judge and jury. Any such trial would need to take place within the U.S.
Could George Bush get a fair trial in The Hague? I doubt it very much.
he'd get a fairer trial in the hague than anywhere else ... unless you believe the american judicial system to be void of corruption and whilst supported by a level of competency that could deliver a fair trial ... my opinion is that the american judicial system is a joke ...
Any trial of a former President of the United States, no matter where it was held, would be a circus. If that trial were held outside the U.S. it would be even more chaotic. I would not trust the security of the courtroom or the impartiality of the judge and jury. Any such trial would need to take place within the U.S.
Could George Bush get a fair trial in The Hague? I doubt it very much.
he'd get a fairer trial in the hague than anywhere else ... unless you believe the american judicial system to be void of corruption and whilst supported by a level of competency that could deliver a fair trial ... my opinion is that the american judicial system is a joke ...
I certainly do not believe it to be void of corruption. Would the ICC be any less corrupt?
http://youtu.be/W0xzsbSbVUE
major general albert stubblebine has a few important things to share with us. im at just over 6 minutes in & i paused to post the link. i watched this guy yesterday & that link is up above. this man kicks ass & is honest
except those crimes have been committed against sovereign people in foreign land ...
If you look at it that way, every president since Kennedy could be brought up on some charge in a foreign country.[/quote]
if, as a nation, you are prepared to vilify other nations as part of an axis of evil and push through humanitarian affecting sanctions against other countries ... you should be able to hold yourself accountable to the same standards ...
having said that ... i'd exempt carter ... everyone else - ya ... put them to court ...
I certainly do not believe it to be void of corruption. Would the ICC be any less corrupt?
can you show me where the ICC has demonstrated their corruption!? ... they are about to put some congolese warlord on trial for crimes against humanity ... i don't see anyone really protesting that this court is actually doing so ...
I certainly do not believe it to be void of corruption. Would the ICC be any less corrupt?
can you show me where the ICC has demonstrated their corruption!? ... they are about to put some congolese warlord on trial for crimes against humanity ... i don't see anyone really protesting that this court is actually doing so ...
No, I cannot, but admittedly I am no expert on the ICC. A quick google search just now does show that people are sometimes acquitted by the ICC, which I would not have guessed. So that says something for it.
where was the debris field when supossedly the pentagon was hit by a jumbo airliner hhmm? & where was the debris field in that supposed field in PA? i watched a video yesterday that i saw for the first time & i am astounded at what the u.s. government has pulled off.
this was a false flag like nobodies business. i go find video. please wait.
http://youtu.be/JTJehfQkuyE
a 757 did not hit the pentagon nor did a 757 slammed into a field in pennsylvania
To what end? Why fake these attacks and lay the blame on bin Laden and al Qaeda in Afghanistan? Bush and company's goal was always to go into Iraq. If they were going to fake this why not lay the blame on Saddam?
where was the debris field when supossedly the pentagon was hit by a jumbo airliner hhmm? & where was the debris field in that supposed field in PA? i watched a video yesterday that i saw for the first time & i am astounded at what the u.s. government has pulled off.
this was a false flag like nobodies business. i go find video. please wait.
http://youtu.be/JTJehfQkuyE
a 757 did not hit the pentagon nor did a 757 slammed into a field in pennsylvania
To what end? Why fake these attacks and lay the blame on bin Laden and al Qaeda in Afghanistan? Bush and company's goal was always to go into Iraq. If they were going to fake this why not lay the blame on Saddam?
where is the wreckage? show me a video or a picture that shows aircraft wreckage at the pentagon or in the field in PA.
I'm in the camp that former President Bush should NOT be held on charges. For one, the American people freely accepted the war as necessary and justified. What we need to do is learn from this and not blindly allow our government into scaring us into war.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
The plane is underneath the floors that collapsed down on top of it when it went into the Pentagon.
Again...why do this and blame bin Laden? Saddam was the target they wanted.
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Remember the arguement we read here on the justification to go to war with Iraq?
"If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck... it is a duck."
Yeah, people actually said and believed this.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
The plane is underneath the floors that collapsed down on top of it when it went into the Pentagon.
Again...why do this and blame bin Laden? Saddam was the target they wanted.
...
Remember the arguement we read here on the justification to go to war with Iraq?
"If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck... it is a duck."
Yeah, people actually said and believed this.
True. And the fictitious Atta connection was tossed around pretty often too. I am just questioning why, if they were going to fake this, why not start with Saddam? No one questioned bin Laden doing this at the time. No one would have questioned Saddam. And then they would not have had to split the military between Afghanistan and Iraq. I admit there were some weird happenings that day but I don't believe this was some Gulf of Tonkin style stunt to start a war. We were attacked.
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dude ... impeachment, ending administrations, sabotage, whatever else they can think of ... sure ... but it's domestic ... but to send a president to the ICC!??? ... that's never gonna happen based on how things are now ... never ...
And it never should.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
(and if we aren't smarter than that, we damn well should be)
Every administration is in cahoots with the next, because it's the system that runs the show, not the scapegoats at the top. Therefore, there's a lot of protection. As much as I think Cheney was part of the system (he probably still is) and should be charged and hung, it'll never happen. Blaming the scapegoats and individual administrations is all part of the show, so keep on blaming who you hate, because you're just doing what the system wants: taking sides when there really is only one.
Yes, but you are clearly all for sides. Rooting for Ron Paul is rooting for a side.
This should never happen, to any President, of any party, ever.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
hey ... i got no love for the GOP and I agree with your sentiment to a certain degree ... all i'm saying is that as reckless as they are - they are not gonna send obama to the ICC ...
and i would definitely disagree with your last sentiment ...
i would hands down call the US the greatest country in the world if it ever had the courage to hold themselves accountable to the world ... i'm not holding my breath tho ...
I hear you. I am not against Bush or Obama or any President being held accountable for their actions while in office, I just think it should be done in American courts.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Considering the GOP fights Ron Paul more than the Dems do which side do you think I'm on?
Clinton wasn't impeached because of an affair or because he got a bj. Clinton was impeached because he lied under Oath.
except those crimes have been committed against sovereign people in foreign land ...
Any trial of a former President of the United States, no matter where it was held, would be a circus. If that trial were held outside the U.S. it would be even more chaotic. I would not trust the security of the courtroom or the impartiality of the judge and jury. Any such trial would need to take place within the U.S.
Could George Bush get a fair trial in The Hague? I doubt it very much.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
If you look at it that way, every president since Kennedy could be brought up on some charge in a foreign country.
I'm sure Ike, Truman and FDR could be charged somehow/somewhere as well.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
this was a false flag like nobodies business. i go find video. please wait.
http://youtu.be/JTJehfQkuyE
a 757 did not hit the pentagon nor did a 757 slammed into a field in pennsylvania
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Or domestically. They could dig Lincoln up just to hang him.
he'd get a fairer trial in the hague than anywhere else ... unless you believe the american judicial system to be void of corruption and whilst supported by a level of competency that could deliver a fair trial ... my opinion is that the american judicial system is a joke ...
I certainly do not believe it to be void of corruption. Would the ICC be any less corrupt?
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
major general albert stubblebine has a few important things to share with us. im at just over 6 minutes in & i paused to post the link. i watched this guy yesterday & that link is up above. this man kicks ass & is honest
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
If you look at it that way, every president since Kennedy could be brought up on some charge in a foreign country.[/quote]
if, as a nation, you are prepared to vilify other nations as part of an axis of evil and push through humanitarian affecting sanctions against other countries ... you should be able to hold yourself accountable to the same standards ...
having said that ... i'd exempt carter ... everyone else - ya ... put them to court ...
can you show me where the ICC has demonstrated their corruption!? ... they are about to put some congolese warlord on trial for crimes against humanity ... i don't see anyone really protesting that this court is actually doing so ...
No, I cannot, but admittedly I am no expert on the ICC. A quick google search just now does show that people are sometimes acquitted by the ICC, which I would not have guessed. So that says something for it.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
To what end? Why fake these attacks and lay the blame on bin Laden and al Qaeda in Afghanistan? Bush and company's goal was always to go into Iraq. If they were going to fake this why not lay the blame on Saddam?
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Hail, Hail!!!
The plane is underneath the floors that collapsed down on top of it when it went into the Pentagon.
Again...why do this and blame bin Laden? Saddam was the target they wanted.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Remember the arguement we read here on the justification to go to war with Iraq?
"If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck... it is a duck."
Yeah, people actually said and believed this.
Hail, Hail!!!
True. And the fictitious Atta connection was tossed around pretty often too. I am just questioning why, if they were going to fake this, why not start with Saddam? No one questioned bin Laden doing this at the time. No one would have questioned Saddam. And then they would not have had to split the military between Afghanistan and Iraq. I admit there were some weird happenings that day but I don't believe this was some Gulf of Tonkin style stunt to start a war. We were attacked.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."