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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,605
    polaris_x wrote:

    easy to sit here and blame people like bush/cheney ... but frig at least 45% of the population voted for him and when it was clear he frauded an election and then lied about the motivations for war ... the majority of americans sat on their hands and did nothing ...

    This is very true. The 2004 election is one of the more disappointing performances by the American electorate.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,605
    The GOP had no problems launching a partisan impeachment. They would have no problem sending Obama, who embarrassed them at the ballot box twice, to the Hague.
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    C'mon guys, see past partisan politics. Quit blaming one party when the other does the exact same thing when they have the power. We are smarter than that.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,605
    Forget it. Not even worth it.
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    JimmyV wrote:
    The GOP had no problems launching a partisan impeachment. They would have no problem sending Obama, who embarrassed them at the ballot box twice, to the Hague.

    the GOP are useless but not that stupid ... reagan, bush 1, clinton, bush 2, obama ... they could all go to the hague ...
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,605
    polaris_x wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:
    The GOP had no problems launching a partisan impeachment. They would have no problem sending Obama, who embarrassed them at the ballot box twice, to the Hague.

    the GOP are useless but not that stupid ... reagan, bush 1, clinton, bush 2, obama ... they could all go to the hague ...

    I think the Tea Party and Birther wings are just that stupid.
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    JimmyV wrote:
    I think the Tea Party and Birther wings are just that stupid.

    sure ... but stupid enough to send obama to the hague knowing full well that the previous ones would also need to be sent!? ... those people are just pawns ... the puppeteers pull the strings and they know better than to do something moronic like open up that can of worms ...
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,431
    if you think that the republicans would NOT send clinton or obama to the hague, you are completely lost. they just need an excuse and a majority. what do you think they have been looking for the last 5 years? they have been looking for any reason at all to end obama's presidency.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,431
    and yes, i will go on record and say it. the american people are directly responsible for the iraq war. the evidence was there at the time that we were being lied to, but back then everyone was brainwashed that "you always support your president in a time of war." those who stood up against it were called traitors and were told to get out of the country. myself included. numerous times. at protests, on a radio show i called, and on this very board.

    anyone remember that? or are we revising history to make ourselves feel better and more righteous yet again?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    if you think that the republicans would NOT send clinton or obama to the hague, you are completely lost. they just need an excuse and a majority. what do you think they have been looking for the last 5 years? they have been looking for any reason at all to end obama's presidency.

    uhhh ... i think you are too wrapped up in your partisan divide to see that the people that have profited from war play both sides of the fence ... you send one of these asshats to the hague - you're sending all of them ... you think obama is gonna sit on trial in the ICC and not bring down the whole house of cards!? ...

    for a country that could care less about accountability - i find it utterly laughable that there is a remote chance in hell it would happen ... don't get me wrong - if we were to bet on this ... i would love to lose that bet ...
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,431
    polaris_x wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    if you think that the republicans would NOT send clinton or obama to the hague, you are completely lost. they just need an excuse and a majority. what do you think they have been looking for the last 5 years? they have been looking for any reason at all to end obama's presidency.

    uhhh ... i think you are too wrapped up in your partisan divide to see that the people that have profited from war play both sides of the fence ... you send one of these asshats to the hague - you're sending all of them ... you think obama is gonna sit on trial in the ICC and not bring down the whole house of cards!? ...

    for a country that could care less about accountability - i find it utterly laughable that there is a remote chance in hell it would happen ... don't get me wrong - if we were to bet on this ... i would love to lose that bet ...
    the republicans are always looking for an excuse to end a democratic administration. remember whitewater? there was nothing there. remember ken starr? he spent $47 million tax dollars investigating clinton's affair. no outrage there about wasting tax money. and impeachment. over a blow job. they were going to try clinton in the senate over an affair. the dems let bush and cheney walk after committing war crimes and crimes against humanity.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    the republicans are always looking for an excuse to end a democratic administration. remember whitewater? there was nothing there. remember ken starr? he spent $47 million tax dollars investigating clinton's affair. no outrage there about wasting tax money. and impeachment. over a blow job. they were going to try clinton in the senate over an affair. the dems let bush and cheney walk after committing war crimes and crimes against humanity.

    dude ... impeachment, ending administrations, sabotage, whatever else they can think of ... sure ... but it's domestic ... but to send a president to the ICC!??? ... that's never gonna happen based on how things are now ... never ...
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,605
    polaris_x wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    the republicans are always looking for an excuse to end a democratic administration. remember whitewater? there was nothing there. remember ken starr? he spent $47 million tax dollars investigating clinton's affair. no outrage there about wasting tax money. and impeachment. over a blow job. they were going to try clinton in the senate over an affair. the dems let bush and cheney walk after committing war crimes and crimes against humanity.

    dude ... impeachment, ending administrations, sabotage, whatever else they can think of ... sure ... but it's domestic ... but to send a president to the ICC!??? ... that's never gonna happen based on how things are now ... never ...

    And it never should.
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    unsung wrote:
    C'mon guys, see past partisan politics. Quit blaming one party when the other does the exact same thing when they have the power. We are smarter than that.
    Amen to this.

    (and if we aren't smarter than that, we damn well should be)
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    JimmyV wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    the republicans are always looking for an excuse to end a democratic administration. remember whitewater? there was nothing there. remember ken starr? he spent $47 million tax dollars investigating clinton's affair. no outrage there about wasting tax money. and impeachment. over a blow job. they were going to try clinton in the senate over an affair. the dems let bush and cheney walk after committing war crimes and crimes against humanity.

    dude ... impeachment, ending administrations, sabotage, whatever else they can think of ... sure ... but it's domestic ... but to send a president to the ICC!??? ... that's never gonna happen based on how things are now ... never ...

    And it never should.

    Every administration is in cahoots with the next, because it's the system that runs the show, not the scapegoats at the top. Therefore, there's a lot of protection. As much as I think Cheney was part of the system (he probably still is) and should be charged and hung, it'll never happen. Blaming the scapegoats and individual administrations is all part of the show, so keep on blaming who you hate, because you're just doing what the system wants: taking sides when there really is only one.
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    unsung wrote:
    C'mon guys, see past partisan politics. Quit blaming one party when the other does the exact same thing when they have the power. We are smarter than that.

    Yes, but you are clearly all for sides. Rooting for Ron Paul is rooting for a side.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,605
    It is not partisanship to admit that in today's America one political party is more reckless than the other. The GOP proved that with the impeachment fiasco. They would absolutely use this to their advantage, too.

    This should never happen, to any President, of any party, ever.
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    JimmyV wrote:
    It is not partisanship to admit that in today's America one political party is more reckless than the other. The GOP proved that with the impeachment fiasco. They would absolutely use this to their advantage, too.

    This should never happen, to any President, of any party, ever.

    hey ... i got no love for the GOP and I agree with your sentiment to a certain degree ... all i'm saying is that as reckless as they are - they are not gonna send obama to the ICC ...

    and i would definitely disagree with your last sentiment ...

    i would hands down call the US the greatest country in the world if it ever had the courage to hold themselves accountable to the world ... i'm not holding my breath tho ...
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,605
    polaris_x wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:
    It is not partisanship to admit that in today's America one political party is more reckless than the other. The GOP proved that with the impeachment fiasco. They would absolutely use this to their advantage, too.

    This should never happen, to any President, of any party, ever.

    hey ... i got no love for the GOP and I agree with your sentiment to a certain degree ... all i'm saying is that as reckless as they are - they are not gonna send obama to the ICC ...

    and i would definitely disagree with your last sentiment ...

    i would hands down call the US the greatest country in the world if it ever had the courage to hold themselves accountable to the world ... i'm not holding my breath tho ...

    I hear you. I am not against Bush or Obama or any President being held accountable for their actions while in office, I just think it should be done in American courts.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,605
    Also, since the 2nd Amendment is so highly regarded by some it might be a good time remember the 6th Amendment:
    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.
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