lies, scams, corruption & brainwashing leading us to war

chadwick

JimmyV wrote:

The plane is underneath the floors that collapsed down on top of it when it went into the Pentagon.

Again...why do this and blame bin Laden? Saddam was the target they wanted.

the entire plane is under the crumbled building? doctored photos? interesting how pictures look different when it is the same exact site.

experts who study aircraft wrecks say no 757 ever flew into the pentagon or slammed into a field in PA. after what i watched yesterday & today i believe them.

JimmyV

chadwick wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

The plane is underneath the floors that collapsed down on top of it when it went into the Pentagon.

Again...why do this and blame bin Laden? Saddam was the target they wanted.

the entire plane is under the crumbled building? doctored photos? interesting how pictures look different when it is the same exact site.

experts who study aircraft wrecks say no 757 ever flew into the pentagon or slammed into a field in PA. after what i watched yesterday & today i believe them.

Many different pictures taken at many different times from many different angles. Once they started to remove the rubble, for instance, it looks like a perfect square was cut out of the Pentagon. That is not how it looked moments after impact.

And if the photos are doctored...why not photoshop in a plane?

Cosmo

chadwick wrote:

the entire plane is under the crumbled building? doctored photos? interesting how pictures look different when it is the same exact site.

experts who study aircraft wrecks say no 757 ever flew into the pentagon or slammed into a field in PA. after what i watched yesterday & today i believe them.

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Actually, whenever a plane goes down, the manufacturer has to freeze all of the ship's records. This includes all manufacturing records, maintenence records, retrofit and repair records, flight hours... everything. Although the planes were completely destroyed, many hard part sub-assembly parts, such as landing gear, engine parts, avionic boxes, etc... survived. These parts are identified by part, serial and lot numbers. There were many parts recovered from all of the crash sites and those parts were identified as belonging to specific fuselage numbers.
it would have to be an extremely large scale effort to pull together the thousands of every day Americans to pull this off... non-governmental people that worked at airlines and aircraft manufacturing and aircraft parts manufacturing companies.
This goes way beyond the capabilities of the inept Bush Administration... even under the guidence of then Vice Persident Dick Cheney and NSA Advisor Condoleezza Rice.

chadwick

Cosmo wrote:

chadwick wrote:

the entire plane is under the crumbled building? doctored photos? interesting how pictures look different when it is the same exact site.

experts who study aircraft wrecks say no 757 ever flew into the pentagon or slammed into a field in PA. after what i watched yesterday & today i believe them.

...
Actually, whenever a plane goes down, the manufacturer has to freeze all of the ship's records. This includes all manufacturing records, maintenence records, retrofit and repair records, flight hours... everything. Although the planes were completely destroyed, many hard part sub-assembly parts, such as landing gear, engine parts, avionic boxes, etc... survived. These parts are identified by part, serial and lot numbers. There were many parts recovered from all of the crash sites and those parts were identified as belonging to specific fuselage numbers.
it would have to be an extremely large scale effort to pull together the thousands of every day Americans to pull this off... non-governmental people that worked at airlines and aircraft manufacturing and aircraft parts manufacturing companies.
This goes way beyond the capabilities of the inept Bush Administration... even under the guidence of then Vice Persident Dick Cheney and NSA Advisor Condoleezza Rice.

i understand things are logged, frozen, & scanned & things. i am going on what experts have stated. plus my own common sense that says, "where the hell is the wreckage that should be scattered across the ground"

in PA all we see is a hole in the earth. no debris, no seats, no landing gear & jet engines which are basically indestructable.

a major general (retired) believes the towers were set off by demolition & woes on camera that a 757 exploding in a skyscraper could not melt those steel beams in the center of those towers. many others share these same beliefs.

i just know when a 757 hits the earth a debris field is present. look at the photos of every jet airliner accident. you'll have wreckage scattered all over except in a field in PA & at the pentagon.

Cosmo

chadwick wrote:

i understand things are logged, frozen, & scanned & things. i am going on what experts have stated. plus my own common sense that says, "where the hell is the wreckage that should be scattered across the ground"

in PA all we see is a hole in the earth. no debris, no seats, no landing gear & jet engines which are basically indestructable.

a major general (retired) believes the towers were set off by demolition & woes on camera that a 757 exploding in a skyscraper could not melt those steel beams in the center of those towers. many others share these same beliefs.

i just know when a 757 hits the earth a debris field is present. look at the photos of every jet airliner accident. you'll have wreckage scattered all over except in a field in PA & at the pentagon.

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http://www.911myths.com/html/flight_93_links.html

As for the World Trade Centers. The structural integrity was compromised by the impacts. There was basically the weight of an occupied 10 story building above 7 serverly damaged and burning floors in the North Tower. In the South Tower there was the weight of a 25 story building atop 8 burning floors.
The weight of the intact upper floors were pressing downward on the weakend structure. Once any of the compromised floors gave way, the weight of the upper floors came crashing down on the floor just below it. The momentum of the weight was too much for the floor below it to support. As each floor collapsed, the mass gained weight and momentum and each floor blow it failed to stop the mass. The only mass solid enough to stop the momentum was the planet.

chadwick

Cosmo wrote:

chadwick wrote:

i understand things are logged, frozen, & scanned & things. i am going on what experts have stated. plus my own common sense that says, "where the hell is the wreckage that should be scattered across the ground"

in PA all we see is a hole in the earth. no debris, no seats, no landing gear & jet engines which are basically indestructable.

a major general (retired) believes the towers were set off by demolition & woes on camera that a 757 exploding in a skyscraper could not melt those steel beams in the center of those towers. many others share these same beliefs.

i just know when a 757 hits the earth a debris field is present. look at the photos of every jet airliner accident. you'll have wreckage scattered all over except in a field in PA & at the pentagon.

...
http://www.911myths.com/html/flight_93_links.html

As for the World Trade Centers. The structural integrity was compromised by the impacts. There was basically the weight of an occupied 10 story building above 7 serverly damaged and burning floors in the North Tower. In the South Tower there was the weight of a 25 story building atop 8 burning floors.
The weight of the intact upper floors were pressing downward on the weakend structure. Once any of the compromised floors gave way, the weight of the upper floors came crashing down on the floor just below it. The momentum of the weight was too much for the floor below it to support. As each floor collapsed, the mass gained weight and momentum and each floor blow it failed to stop the mass. The only mass solid enough to stop the momentum was the planet.

i get that. that makes perfect sense to me. what does not make sense is no wreckage in a field in PA & no debris field at the pentagon.

Cosmo

chadwick wrote:

i get that. that makes perfect sense to me. what does not make sense is no wreckage in a field in PA & no debris field at the pentagon.

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Regarding Flight 93... I can understand the alternative theory of it being shot down by an Air Force or Air National Guard F-15 or F-16 over the sparsely populated region over Pennsylvania, rather than allowing it to reach densly populated areas.
That is a tough call to make and an extremely difficult order for a fighter pilot to follow.
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As for the greater conspiracy... All I need to point out is the total ineptness of the Bush Administration. This would have had to be a tremendous operation that involved thousands of Americans in many sectors to pull off... in a relatively short period (less than 9 months). These people are not capable of pulling off something of this grand magnitude without totally fucking it all up.

chadwick

Cosmo wrote:

chadwick wrote:

i get that. that makes perfect sense to me. what does not make sense is no wreckage in a field in PA & no debris field at the pentagon.

...
Regarding Flight 93... I can understand the alternative theory of it being shot down by an Air Force or Air National Guard F-15 or F-16 over the sparsely populated region over Pennsylvania, rather than allowing it to reach densly populated areas.
That is a tough call to make and an extremely difficult order for a fighter pilot to follow.
...
As for the greater conspiracy... All I need to point out is the total ineptness of the Bush Administration. This would have had to be a tremendous operation that involved thousands of Americans in many sectors to pull off... in a relatively short period (less than 9 months). These people are not capable of pulling off something of this grand magnitude without totally fucking it all up.

i don't know

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The Iraq War

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gimmesometruth27

ok, so i am clearly in the minority regarding cheney and bush being prosecuted. i am not changing my mind and i am not trying to change yours.

i just wanted to dive back into this thread and throw out this next thought.


something is extremely FUCKED UP in america when bradley manning can potentially get life in prison or the death penalty for treason while bush and cheney, men with the blood of a million people on their hands and clearly guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity, get to walk free and clear of any charges. that to me is just simply outrageous.

Jeanwah

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

ok, so i am clearly in the minority regarding cheney and bush being prosecuted. i am not changing my mind and i am not trying to change yours.

i just wanted to dive back into this thread and throw out this next thought.


something is extremely FUCKED UP in america when bradley manning can potentially get life in prison or the death penalty for treason while bush and cheney, men with the blood of a million people on their hands and clearly guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity, get to walk free and clear of any charges. that to me is just simply outrageous.

I don't know about Bush being prosecuted, he is clearly a puppet. Cheney, however, is part of the system, may still be part of the system and and is responsible. I'd like to see him tried for his crimes. (if anyone is responsible, it's him). Manning seems to be another scapegoat while the real criminals get away...

gimmesometruth27

Jeanwah wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

ok, so i am clearly in the minority regarding cheney and bush being prosecuted. i am not changing my mind and i am not trying to change yours.

i just wanted to dive back into this thread and throw out this next thought.


something is extremely FUCKED UP in america when bradley manning can potentially get life in prison or the death penalty for treason while bush and cheney, men with the blood of a million people on their hands and clearly guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity, get to walk free and clear of any charges. that to me is just simply outrageous.

I don't know about Bush being prosecuted, he is clearly a puppet. Cheney, however, is part of the system, may still be part of the system and and is responsible. I'd like to see him tried for his crimes. (if anyone is responsible, it's him). Manning seems to be another scapegoat while the real criminals get away...

i don't think bush and cheney are mutually exclusive. they would be a package deal. bush was the president, and he gave the orders.

that would be like trying slobodon milosovich's (SP??) vice, and letting slobodon walk.

Jeanwah

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

ok, so i am clearly in the minority regarding cheney and bush being prosecuted. i am not changing my mind and i am not trying to change yours.

i just wanted to dive back into this thread and throw out this next thought.


something is extremely FUCKED UP in america when bradley manning can potentially get life in prison or the death penalty for treason while bush and cheney, men with the blood of a million people on their hands and clearly guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity, get to walk free and clear of any charges. that to me is just simply outrageous.

I don't know about Bush being prosecuted, he is clearly a puppet. Cheney, however, is part of the system, may still be part of the system and and is responsible. I'd like to see him tried for his crimes. (if anyone is responsible, it's him). Manning seems to be another scapegoat while the real criminals get away...

i don't think bush and cheney are mutually exclusive. they would be a package deal. bush was the president, and he gave the orders.

that would be like trying slobodon milosovich's (SP??) vice, and letting slobodon walk.

Granted, yes, it is a package deal, but don't you think that he was just the dumb puppet doing what he was told by his cronies below him? I mean, he really was a dumb idiot and that's putting it nicely. I don't think he should get off actually, I just know that it'll never happen. If anyone gets nailed, it really should be Cheney and probably the rest of his cabinet.

unsung

I question everything and 9/11 just seems way too fishy to have happened the way we were told.

How does a plane disappear in a field?
How does the Pentagon only have such a small opening?
Why was there no video of the plane at arguably one of the most secure buildings in the world?
Why did WTC 7 fall?
How does steel, which has a higher melting point than jet fuel burns at, fall at a free fall rate?

Interesting that the origin of the term "conspiracy theory" was created by a marketing company for use to dismiss people who question what they are told.

gimmesometruth27

Jeanwah wrote:

Granted, yes, it is a package deal, but don't you think that he was just the dumb puppet doing what he was told by his cronies below him? I mean, he really was a dumb idiot and that's putting it nicely. I don't think he should get off actually, I just know that it'll never happen. If anyone gets nailed, it really should be Cheney and probably the rest of his cabinet.

bush was not as stupid as everybody thought. he knew exactly what he was doing. which is why he was able to start and win the war so easily, but he lost the peace, and winning the peace is the hard part.

puppet or not, bush broke international law, and hundreds of thousands of iraqi civilians were killed as a result. that crime is bush's legacy now.

we have people rotting in jail for life for "3 strikes and you're out" minor drug offenses, but we have men responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths and potentially generations of kids with severe birth defects (refer to my thread that got derailed and locked) and there is no justice for any of them. these are innocent victims of something that they had nothing to do with. these events happened before they were even conceived. and those responsible will never be held to account.

JimmyV

I think a strong case can be made that "Mission Accomplished" represents the low water mark for the office of President.

unsung

3 strikes and minimum sentencing both need to go away.

gimmesometruth27

unsung wrote:

3 strikes and minimum sentencing both need to go away.

agreed.

unsung

JimmyV wrote:

I think a strong case can be made that "Mission Accomplished" represents the low water mark for the office of President.

Nixon resigned.
Clinton and Johnson were impeached.
Numerous Presidents have signed damaging legislation into laws.

Mission Accomplished wasn't even the low point of the Bush Presidency. I'd say Abu-Ghraib and water boarding were.

chadwick

unsung wrote:

I question everything and 9/11 just seems way too fishy to have happened the way we were told.

How does a plane disappear in a field?
How does the Pentagon only have such a small opening?
Why was there no video of the plane at arguably one of the most secure buildings in the world?
Why did WTC 7 fall?
How does steel, which has a higher melting point than jet fuel burns at, fall at a free fall rate?

Interesting that the origin of the term "conspiracy theory" was created by a marketing company for use to dismiss people who question what they are told.

thank you for this. we are nutjob crazy for thinking for a slight moment that our government might just be up to something.