The plane is underneath the floors that collapsed down on top of it when it went into the Pentagon.
Again...why do this and blame bin Laden? Saddam was the target they wanted.
the entire plane is under the crumbled building? doctored photos? interesting how pictures look different when it is the same exact site.
experts who study aircraft wrecks say no 757 ever flew into the pentagon or slammed into a field in PA. after what i watched yesterday & today i believe them.
The plane is underneath the floors that collapsed down on top of it when it went into the Pentagon.
Again...why do this and blame bin Laden? Saddam was the target they wanted.
the entire plane is under the crumbled building? doctored photos? interesting how pictures look different when it is the same exact site.
experts who study aircraft wrecks say no 757 ever flew into the pentagon or slammed into a field in PA. after what i watched yesterday & today i believe them.
Many different pictures taken at many different times from many different angles. Once they started to remove the rubble, for instance, it looks like a perfect square was cut out of the Pentagon. That is not how it looked moments after impact.
And if the photos are doctored...why not photoshop in a plane?
the entire plane is under the crumbled building? doctored photos? interesting how pictures look different when it is the same exact site.
experts who study aircraft wrecks say no 757 ever flew into the pentagon or slammed into a field in PA. after what i watched yesterday & today i believe them.
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Actually, whenever a plane goes down, the manufacturer has to freeze all of the ship's records. This includes all manufacturing records, maintenence records, retrofit and repair records, flight hours... everything. Although the planes were completely destroyed, many hard part sub-assembly parts, such as landing gear, engine parts, avionic boxes, etc... survived. These parts are identified by part, serial and lot numbers. There were many parts recovered from all of the crash sites and those parts were identified as belonging to specific fuselage numbers.
it would have to be an extremely large scale effort to pull together the thousands of every day Americans to pull this off... non-governmental people that worked at airlines and aircraft manufacturing and aircraft parts manufacturing companies.
This goes way beyond the capabilities of the inept Bush Administration... even under the guidence of then Vice Persident Dick Cheney and NSA Advisor Condoleezza Rice.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
the entire plane is under the crumbled building? doctored photos? interesting how pictures look different when it is the same exact site.
experts who study aircraft wrecks say no 757 ever flew into the pentagon or slammed into a field in PA. after what i watched yesterday & today i believe them.
...
Actually, whenever a plane goes down, the manufacturer has to freeze all of the ship's records. This includes all manufacturing records, maintenence records, retrofit and repair records, flight hours... everything. Although the planes were completely destroyed, many hard part sub-assembly parts, such as landing gear, engine parts, avionic boxes, etc... survived. These parts are identified by part, serial and lot numbers. There were many parts recovered from all of the crash sites and those parts were identified as belonging to specific fuselage numbers.
it would have to be an extremely large scale effort to pull together the thousands of every day Americans to pull this off... non-governmental people that worked at airlines and aircraft manufacturing and aircraft parts manufacturing companies.
This goes way beyond the capabilities of the inept Bush Administration... even under the guidence of then Vice Persident Dick Cheney and NSA Advisor Condoleezza Rice.
i understand things are logged, frozen, & scanned & things. i am going on what experts have stated. plus my own common sense that says, "where the hell is the wreckage that should be scattered across the ground"
in PA all we see is a hole in the earth. no debris, no seats, no landing gear & jet engines which are basically indestructable.
a major general (retired) believes the towers were set off by demolition & woes on camera that a 757 exploding in a skyscraper could not melt those steel beams in the center of those towers. many others share these same beliefs.
i just know when a 757 hits the earth a debris field is present. look at the photos of every jet airliner accident. you'll have wreckage scattered all over except in a field in PA & at the pentagon.
i understand things are logged, frozen, & scanned & things. i am going on what experts have stated. plus my own common sense that says, "where the hell is the wreckage that should be scattered across the ground"
in PA all we see is a hole in the earth. no debris, no seats, no landing gear & jet engines which are basically indestructable.
a major general (retired) believes the towers were set off by demolition & woes on camera that a 757 exploding in a skyscraper could not melt those steel beams in the center of those towers. many others share these same beliefs.
i just know when a 757 hits the earth a debris field is present. look at the photos of every jet airliner accident. you'll have wreckage scattered all over except in a field in PA & at the pentagon.
As for the World Trade Centers. The structural integrity was compromised by the impacts. There was basically the weight of an occupied 10 story building above 7 serverly damaged and burning floors in the North Tower. In the South Tower there was the weight of a 25 story building atop 8 burning floors.
The weight of the intact upper floors were pressing downward on the weakend structure. Once any of the compromised floors gave way, the weight of the upper floors came crashing down on the floor just below it. The momentum of the weight was too much for the floor below it to support. As each floor collapsed, the mass gained weight and momentum and each floor blow it failed to stop the mass. The only mass solid enough to stop the momentum was the planet.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
i understand things are logged, frozen, & scanned & things. i am going on what experts have stated. plus my own common sense that says, "where the hell is the wreckage that should be scattered across the ground"
in PA all we see is a hole in the earth. no debris, no seats, no landing gear & jet engines which are basically indestructable.
a major general (retired) believes the towers were set off by demolition & woes on camera that a 757 exploding in a skyscraper could not melt those steel beams in the center of those towers. many others share these same beliefs.
i just know when a 757 hits the earth a debris field is present. look at the photos of every jet airliner accident. you'll have wreckage scattered all over except in a field in PA & at the pentagon.
As for the World Trade Centers. The structural integrity was compromised by the impacts. There was basically the weight of an occupied 10 story building above 7 serverly damaged and burning floors in the North Tower. In the South Tower there was the weight of a 25 story building atop 8 burning floors.
The weight of the intact upper floors were pressing downward on the weakend structure. Once any of the compromised floors gave way, the weight of the upper floors came crashing down on the floor just below it. The momentum of the weight was too much for the floor below it to support. As each floor collapsed, the mass gained weight and momentum and each floor blow it failed to stop the mass. The only mass solid enough to stop the momentum was the planet.
i get that. that makes perfect sense to me. what does not make sense is no wreckage in a field in PA & no debris field at the pentagon.
i get that. that makes perfect sense to me. what does not make sense is no wreckage in a field in PA & no debris field at the pentagon.
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Regarding Flight 93... I can understand the alternative theory of it being shot down by an Air Force or Air National Guard F-15 or F-16 over the sparsely populated region over Pennsylvania, rather than allowing it to reach densly populated areas.
That is a tough call to make and an extremely difficult order for a fighter pilot to follow.
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As for the greater conspiracy... All I need to point out is the total ineptness of the Bush Administration. This would have had to be a tremendous operation that involved thousands of Americans in many sectors to pull off... in a relatively short period (less than 9 months). These people are not capable of pulling off something of this grand magnitude without totally fucking it all up.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
i get that. that makes perfect sense to me. what does not make sense is no wreckage in a field in PA & no debris field at the pentagon.
...
Regarding Flight 93... I can understand the alternative theory of it being shot down by an Air Force or Air National Guard F-15 or F-16 over the sparsely populated region over Pennsylvania, rather than allowing it to reach densly populated areas.
That is a tough call to make and an extremely difficult order for a fighter pilot to follow.
...
As for the greater conspiracy... All I need to point out is the total ineptness of the Bush Administration. This would have had to be a tremendous operation that involved thousands of Americans in many sectors to pull off... in a relatively short period (less than 9 months). These people are not capable of pulling off something of this grand magnitude without totally fucking it all up.
ok, so i am clearly in the minority regarding cheney and bush being prosecuted. i am not changing my mind and i am not trying to change yours.
i just wanted to dive back into this thread and throw out this next thought.
something is extremely FUCKED UP in america when bradley manning can potentially get life in prison or the death penalty for treason while bush and cheney, men with the blood of a million people on their hands and clearly guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity, get to walk free and clear of any charges. that to me is just simply outrageous.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
ok, so i am clearly in the minority regarding cheney and bush being prosecuted. i am not changing my mind and i am not trying to change yours.
i just wanted to dive back into this thread and throw out this next thought.
something is extremely FUCKED UP in america when bradley manning can potentially get life in prison or the death penalty for treason while bush and cheney, men with the blood of a million people on their hands and clearly guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity, get to walk free and clear of any charges. that to me is just simply outrageous.
I don't know about Bush being prosecuted, he is clearly a puppet. Cheney, however, is part of the system, may still be part of the system and and is responsible. I'd like to see him tried for his crimes. (if anyone is responsible, it's him). Manning seems to be another scapegoat while the real criminals get away...
ok, so i am clearly in the minority regarding cheney and bush being prosecuted. i am not changing my mind and i am not trying to change yours.
i just wanted to dive back into this thread and throw out this next thought.
something is extremely FUCKED UP in america when bradley manning can potentially get life in prison or the death penalty for treason while bush and cheney, men with the blood of a million people on their hands and clearly guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity, get to walk free and clear of any charges. that to me is just simply outrageous.
I don't know about Bush being prosecuted, he is clearly a puppet. Cheney, however, is part of the system, may still be part of the system and and is responsible. I'd like to see him tried for his crimes. (if anyone is responsible, it's him). Manning seems to be another scapegoat while the real criminals get away...
i don't think bush and cheney are mutually exclusive. they would be a package deal. bush was the president, and he gave the orders.
that would be like trying slobodon milosovich's (SP??) vice, and letting slobodon walk.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
ok, so i am clearly in the minority regarding cheney and bush being prosecuted. i am not changing my mind and i am not trying to change yours.
i just wanted to dive back into this thread and throw out this next thought.
something is extremely FUCKED UP in america when bradley manning can potentially get life in prison or the death penalty for treason while bush and cheney, men with the blood of a million people on their hands and clearly guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity, get to walk free and clear of any charges. that to me is just simply outrageous.
I don't know about Bush being prosecuted, he is clearly a puppet. Cheney, however, is part of the system, may still be part of the system and and is responsible. I'd like to see him tried for his crimes. (if anyone is responsible, it's him). Manning seems to be another scapegoat while the real criminals get away...
i don't think bush and cheney are mutually exclusive. they would be a package deal. bush was the president, and he gave the orders.
that would be like trying slobodon milosovich's (SP??) vice, and letting slobodon walk.
Granted, yes, it is a package deal, but don't you think that he was just the dumb puppet doing what he was told by his cronies below him? I mean, he really was a dumb idiot and that's putting it nicely. I don't think he should get off actually, I just know that it'll never happen. If anyone gets nailed, it really should be Cheney and probably the rest of his cabinet.
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I question everything and 9/11 just seems way too fishy to have happened the way we were told.
How does a plane disappear in a field?
How does the Pentagon only have such a small opening?
Why was there no video of the plane at arguably one of the most secure buildings in the world?
Why did WTC 7 fall?
How does steel, which has a higher melting point than jet fuel burns at, fall at a free fall rate?
Interesting that the origin of the term "conspiracy theory" was created by a marketing company for use to dismiss people who question what they are told.
Granted, yes, it is a package deal, but don't you think that he was just the dumb puppet doing what he was told by his cronies below him? I mean, he really was a dumb idiot and that's putting it nicely. I don't think he should get off actually, I just know that it'll never happen. If anyone gets nailed, it really should be Cheney and probably the rest of his cabinet.
bush was not as stupid as everybody thought. he knew exactly what he was doing. which is why he was able to start and win the war so easily, but he lost the peace, and winning the peace is the hard part.
puppet or not, bush broke international law, and hundreds of thousands of iraqi civilians were killed as a result. that crime is bush's legacy now.
we have people rotting in jail for life for "3 strikes and you're out" minor drug offenses, but we have men responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths and potentially generations of kids with severe birth defects (refer to my thread that got derailed and locked) and there is no justice for any of them. these are innocent victims of something that they had nothing to do with. these events happened before they were even conceived. and those responsible will never be held to account.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I question everything and 9/11 just seems way too fishy to have happened the way we were told.
How does a plane disappear in a field?
How does the Pentagon only have such a small opening?
Why was there no video of the plane at arguably one of the most secure buildings in the world?
Why did WTC 7 fall?
How does steel, which has a higher melting point than jet fuel burns at, fall at a free fall rate?
Interesting that the origin of the term "conspiracy theory" was created by a marketing company for use to dismiss people who question what they are told.
thank you for this. we are nutjob crazy for thinking for a slight moment that our government might just be up to something.
I think a strong case can be made that "Mission Accomplished" represents the low water mark for the office of President.
Nixon resigned.
Clinton and Johnson were impeached.
Numerous Presidents have signed damaging legislation into laws.
Mission Accomplished wasn't even the low point of the Bush Presidency. I'd say Abu-Ghraib and water boarding were.
And a case could be made that starting a war for phony reasons and then staging a stunt landing on an aircraft carrier before a giant mission accomplished banner when there was no plan for what to do next trumps everything you listed.
w on the carrier with "mission accomplished" gets the...
:fp:
that was one of the things that made me embarrassed for my country.
what the fuck was the mission that allegedly got accomplished?? i don't think he knew the objectives other than get the oil fields and get "that man that tried to kill my dad..."
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
i get that. that makes perfect sense to me. what does not make sense is no wreckage in a field in PA & no debris field at the pentagon.
...
Regarding Flight 93... I can understand the alternative theory of it being shot down by an Air Force or Air National Guard F-15 or F-16 over the sparsely populated region over Pennsylvania, rather than allowing it to reach densly populated areas.
That is a tough call to make and an extremely difficult order for a fighter pilot to follow.
...
As for the greater conspiracy... All I need to point out is the total ineptness of the Bush Administration. This would have had to be a tremendous operation that involved thousands of Americans in many sectors to pull off... in a relatively short period (less than 9 months). These people are not capable of pulling off something of this grand magnitude without totally fucking it all up.
I don't think the towers coming down or the Pentagon was part of some great government conspiracy. It is possible the plane in PA was shot down, but that would indicate a reaction to unfolding events that were out of the Administration's control.
But that said...if there was a conspiracy...IF...I think it would need to be bigger than Bush. We are getting into New World Order/Illuminati territory. A bridge too far for me.
But those towers did fall exactly as they would in a controlled demolition. Watching that morning I was struck by how perfectly the fell. That to me is the most curious part.
w on the carrier with "mission accomplished" gets the...
:fp:
that was one of the things that made me embarrassed for my country.
what the fuck was the mission that allegedly got accomplished?? i don't think he knew the objectives other than get the oil fields and get "that man that tried to kill my dad..."
same here. i was embarrassed to be an american. pretty much, yep. W couldn't be a navy fighter pilot if his life depended on it. and whoever got him dressed & in that suit should be thrown overboard. and if it was W's idea, "hey fuckers i wanna play dress up & take some fancy ass picture of me being all very badass"
w on the carrier with "mission accomplished" gets the...
:fp:
that was one of the things that made me embarrassed for my country.
what the fuck was the mission that allegedly got accomplished?? i don't think he knew the objectives other than get the oil fields and get "that man that tried to kill my dad..."
same here. i was embarrassed to be an american. pretty much, yep. W couldn't be a navy fighter pilot if his life depended on it. and whoever got him dressed & in that suit should be thrown overboard. and if it was W's idea, "how fuckers i wanna play dress up & take some fancy ass picture of me being all very badass"
he should be laughed at a lot for all of history
I do wonder if he looks back on that with embarrassment. How could he not?
I don't think the towers coming down or the Pentagon was part of some great government conspiracy. It is possible the plane in PA was shot down, but that would indicate a reaction to unfolding events that were out of the Administration's control.
But that said...if there was a conspiracy...IF...I think it would need to be bigger than Bush. We are getting into New World Order/Illuminati territory. A bridge too far for me.
But those towers did fall exactly as they would in a controlled demolition. Watching that morning I was struck by how perfectly the fell. That to me is the most curious part.
surprise... it is bigger than bush. it is always bigger than the president. the president actually knows almost nothing when the shit hits the fan. we have internal cells working in this country & worldwide. the right hand does not know what the left hand is up too. the cia/fbi for starters are some slick ass dudes. and that's just the beginning
this is the thing with the 9/11 conspiracy theory ...
in isolation - all the supposed evidence pointing to a conspiracy can be dispelled or argued or rationalized but collectively ... it's a different story ...
knowing full well these facts:
* the military industrial complex is alive and well in the US
* war profiteering and economic imperialism are cornerstones to US foreign policy
* war with iraq was based on lies and manipulation
you have to look at the entire thing more critically ... yeah - i believe 9/11 was a conspiracy but it has nothing to do with building 5, pancake demolition, insurance claims, etc.. ... for me it comes down to this - without 9/11 would the war machine be able to sell 2 wars simultaneously that resulted in the following:
1. mass expenditures on arms
2. global and regional instability
3. sharp rise in the price of oil where the main benefactors are oil companies
4. strategic geopolitical presence of the US/Britain in the middle east
all things that have dominated US foreign policy for a long time ...
so, it isn't about believing in a conspiracy ... it's believing that there wasn't ...
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experts who study aircraft wrecks say no 757 ever flew into the pentagon or slammed into a field in PA. after what i watched yesterday & today i believe them.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Many different pictures taken at many different times from many different angles. Once they started to remove the rubble, for instance, it looks like a perfect square was cut out of the Pentagon. That is not how it looked moments after impact.
And if the photos are doctored...why not photoshop in a plane?
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Actually, whenever a plane goes down, the manufacturer has to freeze all of the ship's records. This includes all manufacturing records, maintenence records, retrofit and repair records, flight hours... everything. Although the planes were completely destroyed, many hard part sub-assembly parts, such as landing gear, engine parts, avionic boxes, etc... survived. These parts are identified by part, serial and lot numbers. There were many parts recovered from all of the crash sites and those parts were identified as belonging to specific fuselage numbers.
it would have to be an extremely large scale effort to pull together the thousands of every day Americans to pull this off... non-governmental people that worked at airlines and aircraft manufacturing and aircraft parts manufacturing companies.
This goes way beyond the capabilities of the inept Bush Administration... even under the guidence of then Vice Persident Dick Cheney and NSA Advisor Condoleezza Rice.
Hail, Hail!!!
in PA all we see is a hole in the earth. no debris, no seats, no landing gear & jet engines which are basically indestructable.
a major general (retired) believes the towers were set off by demolition & woes on camera that a 757 exploding in a skyscraper could not melt those steel beams in the center of those towers. many others share these same beliefs.
i just know when a 757 hits the earth a debris field is present. look at the photos of every jet airliner accident. you'll have wreckage scattered all over except in a field in PA & at the pentagon.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
http://www.911myths.com/html/flight_93_links.html
As for the World Trade Centers. The structural integrity was compromised by the impacts. There was basically the weight of an occupied 10 story building above 7 serverly damaged and burning floors in the North Tower. In the South Tower there was the weight of a 25 story building atop 8 burning floors.
The weight of the intact upper floors were pressing downward on the weakend structure. Once any of the compromised floors gave way, the weight of the upper floors came crashing down on the floor just below it. The momentum of the weight was too much for the floor below it to support. As each floor collapsed, the mass gained weight and momentum and each floor blow it failed to stop the mass. The only mass solid enough to stop the momentum was the planet.
Hail, Hail!!!
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Regarding Flight 93... I can understand the alternative theory of it being shot down by an Air Force or Air National Guard F-15 or F-16 over the sparsely populated region over Pennsylvania, rather than allowing it to reach densly populated areas.
That is a tough call to make and an extremely difficult order for a fighter pilot to follow.
...
As for the greater conspiracy... All I need to point out is the total ineptness of the Bush Administration. This would have had to be a tremendous operation that involved thousands of Americans in many sectors to pull off... in a relatively short period (less than 9 months). These people are not capable of pulling off something of this grand magnitude without totally fucking it all up.
Hail, Hail!!!
i don't know
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Jr. finishing up daddy's work with the help of daddy's good friend Dick Cheney
i just wanted to dive back into this thread and throw out this next thought.
something is extremely FUCKED UP in america when bradley manning can potentially get life in prison or the death penalty for treason while bush and cheney, men with the blood of a million people on their hands and clearly guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity, get to walk free and clear of any charges. that to me is just simply outrageous.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I don't know about Bush being prosecuted, he is clearly a puppet. Cheney, however, is part of the system, may still be part of the system and and is responsible. I'd like to see him tried for his crimes. (if anyone is responsible, it's him). Manning seems to be another scapegoat while the real criminals get away...
that would be like trying slobodon milosovich's (SP??) vice, and letting slobodon walk.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Granted, yes, it is a package deal, but don't you think that he was just the dumb puppet doing what he was told by his cronies below him? I mean, he really was a dumb idiot and that's putting it nicely. I don't think he should get off actually, I just know that it'll never happen. If anyone gets nailed, it really should be Cheney and probably the rest of his cabinet.
How does a plane disappear in a field?
How does the Pentagon only have such a small opening?
Why was there no video of the plane at arguably one of the most secure buildings in the world?
Why did WTC 7 fall?
How does steel, which has a higher melting point than jet fuel burns at, fall at a free fall rate?
Interesting that the origin of the term "conspiracy theory" was created by a marketing company for use to dismiss people who question what they are told.
puppet or not, bush broke international law, and hundreds of thousands of iraqi civilians were killed as a result. that crime is bush's legacy now.
we have people rotting in jail for life for "3 strikes and you're out" minor drug offenses, but we have men responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths and potentially generations of kids with severe birth defects (refer to my thread that got derailed and locked) and there is no justice for any of them. these are innocent victims of something that they had nothing to do with. these events happened before they were even conceived. and those responsible will never be held to account.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Nixon resigned.
Clinton and Johnson were impeached.
Numerous Presidents have signed damaging legislation into laws.
Mission Accomplished wasn't even the low point of the Bush Presidency. I'd say Abu-Ghraib and water boarding were.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
And a case could be made that starting a war for phony reasons and then staging a stunt landing on an aircraft carrier before a giant mission accomplished banner when there was no plan for what to do next trumps everything you listed.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
:fp:
that was one of the things that made me embarrassed for my country.
what the fuck was the mission that allegedly got accomplished?? i don't think he knew the objectives other than get the oil fields and get "that man that tried to kill my dad..."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Yep
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I don't think the towers coming down or the Pentagon was part of some great government conspiracy. It is possible the plane in PA was shot down, but that would indicate a reaction to unfolding events that were out of the Administration's control.
But that said...if there was a conspiracy...IF...I think it would need to be bigger than Bush. We are getting into New World Order/Illuminati territory. A bridge too far for me.
But those towers did fall exactly as they would in a controlled demolition. Watching that morning I was struck by how perfectly the fell. That to me is the most curious part.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
he should be laughed at a lot for all of history
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
I do wonder if he looks back on that with embarrassment. How could he not?
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
in isolation - all the supposed evidence pointing to a conspiracy can be dispelled or argued or rationalized but collectively ... it's a different story ...
knowing full well these facts:
* the military industrial complex is alive and well in the US
* war profiteering and economic imperialism are cornerstones to US foreign policy
* war with iraq was based on lies and manipulation
you have to look at the entire thing more critically ... yeah - i believe 9/11 was a conspiracy but it has nothing to do with building 5, pancake demolition, insurance claims, etc.. ... for me it comes down to this - without 9/11 would the war machine be able to sell 2 wars simultaneously that resulted in the following:
1. mass expenditures on arms
2. global and regional instability
3. sharp rise in the price of oil where the main benefactors are oil companies
4. strategic geopolitical presence of the US/Britain in the middle east
all things that have dominated US foreign policy for a long time ...
so, it isn't about believing in a conspiracy ... it's believing that there wasn't ...
OHHHH, I SEE IT NOW!
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08