lies, scams, corruption & brainwashing leading us to war

unsung

Jeanwah wrote:

unsung wrote:

C'mon guys, see past partisan politics. Quit blaming one party when the other does the exact same thing when they have the power. We are smarter than that.

Yes, but you are clearly all for sides. Rooting for Ron Paul is rooting for a side.

Considering the GOP fights Ron Paul more than the Dems do which side do you think I'm on?

unsung

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

the republicans are always looking for an excuse to end a democratic administration. remember whitewater? there was nothing there. remember ken starr? he spent $47 million tax dollars investigating clinton's affair. no outrage there about wasting tax money. and impeachment. over a blow job. they were going to try clinton in the senate over an affair. the dems let bush and cheney walk after committing war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Clinton wasn't impeached because of an affair or because he got a bj. Clinton was impeached because he lied under Oath.

polaris_x

JimmyV wrote:

I hear you. I am not against Bush or Obama or any President being held accountable for their actions while in office, I just think it should be done in American courts.

except those crimes have been committed against sovereign people in foreign land ...

JimmyV

polaris_x wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

I hear you. I am not against Bush or Obama or any President being held accountable for their actions while in office, I just think it should be done in American courts.

except those crimes have been committed against sovereign people in foreign land ...

Any trial of a former President of the United States, no matter where it was held, would be a circus. If that trial were held outside the U.S. it would be even more chaotic. I would not trust the security of the courtroom or the impartiality of the judge and jury. Any such trial would need to take place within the U.S.

Could George Bush get a fair trial in The Hague? I doubt it very much.

Last-12-Exit

polaris_x wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

I hear you. I am not against Bush or Obama or any President being held accountable for their actions while in office, I just think it should be done in American courts.

except those crimes have been committed against sovereign people in foreign land ...

If you look at it that way, every president since Kennedy could be brought up on some charge in a foreign country.

JimmyV

Last-12-Exit wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

I hear you. I am not against Bush or Obama or any President being held accountable for their actions while in office, I just think it should be done in American courts.

except those crimes have been committed against sovereign people in foreign land ...

If you look at it that way, every president since Kennedy could be brought up on some charge in a foreign country.

I'm sure Ike, Truman and FDR could be charged somehow/somewhere as well.

chadwick

where was the debris field when supossedly the pentagon was hit by a jumbo airliner hhmm? & where was the debris field in that supposed field in PA? i watched a video yesterday that i saw for the first time & i am astounded at what the u.s. government has pulled off.

this was a false flag like nobodies business. i go find video. please wait.

http://youtu.be/JTJehfQkuyE
a 757 did not hit the pentagon nor did a 757 slammed into a field in pennsylvania

unsung

Last-12-Exit wrote:

If you look at it that way, every president since Kennedy could be brought up on some charge in a foreign country.

Or domestically. They could dig Lincoln up just to hang him.

polaris_x

JimmyV wrote:

Any trial of a former President of the United States, no matter where it was held, would be a circus. If that trial were held outside the U.S. it would be even more chaotic. I would not trust the security of the courtroom or the impartiality of the judge and jury. Any such trial would need to take place within the U.S.

Could George Bush get a fair trial in The Hague? I doubt it very much.

he'd get a fairer trial in the hague than anywhere else ... unless you believe the american judicial system to be void of corruption and whilst supported by a level of competency that could deliver a fair trial ... my opinion is that the american judicial system is a joke ...

JimmyV

polaris_x wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

Any trial of a former President of the United States, no matter where it was held, would be a circus. If that trial were held outside the U.S. it would be even more chaotic. I would not trust the security of the courtroom or the impartiality of the judge and jury. Any such trial would need to take place within the U.S.

Could George Bush get a fair trial in The Hague? I doubt it very much.

he'd get a fairer trial in the hague than anywhere else ... unless you believe the american judicial system to be void of corruption and whilst supported by a level of competency that could deliver a fair trial ... my opinion is that the american judicial system is a joke ...

I certainly do not believe it to be void of corruption. Would the ICC be any less corrupt?

chadwick

http://youtu.be/W0xzsbSbVUE
major general albert stubblebine has a few important things to share with us. im at just over 6 minutes in & i paused to post the link. i watched this guy yesterday & that link is up above. this man kicks ass & is honest

polaris_x

Last-12-Exit wrote:

except those crimes have been committed against sovereign people in foreign land ...

If you look at it that way, every president since Kennedy could be brought up on some charge in a foreign country.[/quote]

if, as a nation, you are prepared to vilify other nations as part of an axis of evil and push through humanitarian affecting sanctions against other countries ... you should be able to hold yourself accountable to the same standards ...

having said that ... i'd exempt carter ... everyone else - ya ... put them to court ...

polaris_x

JimmyV wrote:

I certainly do not believe it to be void of corruption. Would the ICC be any less corrupt?

can you show me where the ICC has demonstrated their corruption!? ... they are about to put some congolese warlord on trial for crimes against humanity ... i don't see anyone really protesting that this court is actually doing so ...

JimmyV

polaris_x wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

I certainly do not believe it to be void of corruption. Would the ICC be any less corrupt?

can you show me where the ICC has demonstrated their corruption!? ... they are about to put some congolese warlord on trial for crimes against humanity ... i don't see anyone really protesting that this court is actually doing so ...

No, I cannot, but admittedly I am no expert on the ICC. A quick google search just now does show that people are sometimes acquitted by the ICC, which I would not have guessed. So that says something for it.

JimmyV

chadwick wrote:

where was the debris field when supossedly the pentagon was hit by a jumbo airliner hhmm? & where was the debris field in that supposed field in PA? i watched a video yesterday that i saw for the first time & i am astounded at what the u.s. government has pulled off.

this was a false flag like nobodies business. i go find video. please wait.

http://youtu.be/JTJehfQkuyE
a 757 did not hit the pentagon nor did a 757 slammed into a field in pennsylvania

To what end? Why fake these attacks and lay the blame on bin Laden and al Qaeda in Afghanistan? Bush and company's goal was always to go into Iraq. If they were going to fake this why not lay the blame on Saddam?

chadwick

JimmyV wrote:

chadwick wrote:

where was the debris field when supossedly the pentagon was hit by a jumbo airliner hhmm? & where was the debris field in that supposed field in PA? i watched a video yesterday that i saw for the first time & i am astounded at what the u.s. government has pulled off.

this was a false flag like nobodies business. i go find video. please wait.

http://youtu.be/JTJehfQkuyE
a 757 did not hit the pentagon nor did a 757 slammed into a field in pennsylvania

To what end? Why fake these attacks and lay the blame on bin Laden and al Qaeda in Afghanistan? Bush and company's goal was always to go into Iraq. If they were going to fake this why not lay the blame on Saddam?

where is the wreckage? show me a video or a picture that shows aircraft wreckage at the pentagon or in the field in PA.

Cosmo

I'm in the camp that former President Bush should NOT be held on charges. For one, the American people freely accepted the war as necessary and justified. What we need to do is learn from this and not blindly allow our government into scaring us into war.

JimmyV

The plane is underneath the floors that collapsed down on top of it when it went into the Pentagon.

Again...why do this and blame bin Laden? Saddam was the target they wanted.

Cosmo

JimmyV wrote:

The plane is underneath the floors that collapsed down on top of it when it went into the Pentagon.

Again...why do this and blame bin Laden? Saddam was the target they wanted.

...
Remember the arguement we read here on the justification to go to war with Iraq?
"If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck... it is a duck."
Yeah, people actually said and believed this.

JimmyV

Cosmo wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

The plane is underneath the floors that collapsed down on top of it when it went into the Pentagon.

Again...why do this and blame bin Laden? Saddam was the target they wanted.

...
Remember the arguement we read here on the justification to go to war with Iraq?
"If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck... it is a duck."
Yeah, people actually said and believed this.

True. And the fictitious Atta connection was tossed around pretty often too. I am just questioning why, if they were going to fake this, why not start with Saddam? No one questioned bin Laden doing this at the time. No one would have questioned Saddam. And then they would not have had to split the military between Afghanistan and Iraq. I admit there were some weird happenings that day but I don't believe this was some Gulf of Tonkin style stunt to start a war. We were attacked.