10c / Pearl Jam should be ashamed for not being honest about Petty shows

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  • pureoc
    pureoc Posts: 2,383
    I really love all the bitching here. If you didn't expect about a 90 min. +/- set list for the PJ Petty Shows you are a MORON!!! It's pretty standard for a co-headlinging bill to be both bands playing roughly 90 min. Do I hope I get more than 90 min. at Summerfest? Hell yeah I do. But I knew going in what it was, a CO HEADLINGING SHOW, not just PJ. Glad I got to see full PJ shows in Chicago and Grand Rapids, but I'll gladly take 90 min. of PJ in Milwaukee than no PJ in Milwaukee!!!
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  • ledbetteroregon
    ledbetteroregon Posts: 107
    the reason i didn't get tics to the pj / petty shows is because its just common sense that they both would not be playing "full" sets. maybe it does suck that the ten club misled you or whatever, but nearly every concert has a time limit, regardless of whos playing.
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  • markinsand
    markinsand Posts: 184
    pureoc wrote:
    I really love all the bitching here. If you didn't expect about a 90 min. +/- set list for the PJ Petty Shows you are a MORON!!! It's pretty standard for a co-headlinging bill to be both bands playing roughly 90 min. Do I hope I get more than 90 min. at Summerfest? Hell yeah I do. But I knew going in what it was, a CO HEADLINGING SHOW, not just PJ. Glad I got to see full PJ shows in Chicago and Grand Rapids, but I'll gladly take 90 min. of PJ in Milwaukee than no PJ in Milwaukee!!!

    lots of assumptions there, thanks for calling me a moron, again if they were going to play 2 songs i'd be fine if i knew. the only thing this changed for me is my wife would not go if it was only a short set, but it's my bday so we'll have a good time anyways...

    the 10c sent out notices as if to reassure people they'd get a full pj show (or maybe they responded to my email saying it'd be a full show, I can't remember), they took a very political stance when addressing the questions about these shows, for me it's hitting the fan now cause it's happened with St. Paul night 1. maybe there is a curfew at 11? I don't know.

    Until someone can show me a message from 10c stating exactly what a full set entails then you were guessing just like me , except your guess was right. but apparently im a moron so now that i know that i can rest easy. I'm an accountant I like black/white, not grey....
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256
    It sucks that you spent $100 to see 18 songs. I still can't figure out why they felt the need to play 6 shows with Petty. I'd rather have one full Indy show, then two shows with Tom Petty. The benefit of two only being 4 extra songs, and two chances to hear Release or Oceans. Tour more cities in the midwest or south, or Alpine Valley.
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,367
    Honestly, I find it incredible that you should complain. All it would take to see that practically every show this tour has had the main set consisting of around 18 songs is visiting Pearl Jam's website. I understand I'm coming off as an ass here, but it's all about reading! Instead of demanding information from the Ten Club, why not simply look at the data they have given you? And another thing - if you are going to a show with two bands, and are only interested in one, why bother?
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  • markinsand
    markinsand Posts: 184
    ledbetteroregon wrote:
    the reason i didn't get tics to the pj / petty shows is because its just common sense that they both would not be playing "full" sets. maybe it does suck that the ten club misled you or whatever, but nearly every concert has a time limit, regardless of whos playing.

    what is the time limit? I know Summerfest is 12 midnight. So we will get 1 hour & 20 min of PJ (30% of the time limit) leaving over 3 hours for a set change and Tom Petty?

    Maybe 10c did tell me the truth when it was stated it would be a full PJ set. Maybe it's only for Summerfest. There could have been a much better description up front, I bought my tix, regardless I would have, then I just hoped as my emails weren't answered except for stating "full set"

    My complaint is not how long the band plays, it was how GREY the response from 10c was. Every answer was "full set" not Pearl Jam is in a co-headling situation and even morons know that means they'll play roughly 18 songs in their 90 minute alotted time etc....
  • DP13
    DP13 Posts: 282
    pureoc wrote:
    I really love all the bitching here. If you didn't expect about a 90 min. +/- set list for the PJ Petty Shows you are a MORON!!! It's pretty standard for a co-headlinging bill to be both bands playing roughly 90 min. Do I hope I get more than 90 min. at Summerfest? Hell yeah I do. But I knew going in what it was, a CO HEADLINGING SHOW, not just PJ. Glad I got to see full PJ shows in Chicago and Grand Rapids, but I'll gladly take 90 min. of PJ in Milwaukee than no PJ in Milwaukee!!!


    I am no moron sir, you my friend are just a sheep. I really didn't expect more than 15 songs BUT the tenclub said it would be a full PJ set and thus the jack in ticket price.
  • markinsand
    markinsand Posts: 184
    a8l wrote:
    I am no moron sir, you my friend are just a sheep. I really didn't expect more than 15 songs BUT the tenclub said it would be a full PJ set and thus the jack in ticket price.

    i wish i kept my email i got back from 10c, i sent so many asking the same question I can't remember the details. I may have been told it would be a "full show"

    oh well
  • JOEJOEJOE
    JOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,822
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    It sucks that you spent $100 to see 18 songs. I still can't figure out why they felt the need to play 6 shows with Petty. I'd rather have one full Indy show, then two shows with Tom Petty. The benefit of two only being 4 extra songs, and two chances to hear Release or Oceans. Tour more cities in the midwest or south, or Alpine Valley.

    Ever think that perhaps the admire Tom Petty, and were happy to share some musical commraderie?

    I think it was a "want", not a "need"

    Too bad they don't have the pleasure of being managed by you.......they have done poorly for the past 15 years, but you would really whip them into shape!
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    Ever think that perhaps the admire Tom Petty, and were happy to share some musical commraderie?

    I think it was a "want", not a "need"

    Too bad they don't have the pleasure of being managed by you.......they have done poorly for the past 15 years, but you would really whip them into shape!

    If I managed the band more fans would have a chance to see them without traveling and spending too much. Sorry, that would be my goal.
  • hsewif
    hsewif Posts: 444
    NothinGBetteRPJMaN wrote:
    Yup that is about a full set. And I was pretty sure reading on the website that they would be playing about 90 minutes. I hope the show I go to they make it to 90 minutes not 80 or I demand a refund!

    And plenty of people have said this on the boards too. Just read the boards and you would have known it would be a full set-18ish songs-90 minutes

    Are you seriously complaining about 10 minutes or are you being sarcastic?

    That's an extended porch...you're bitching about ONE song?
  • bazzer
    bazzer Posts: 3,126
    You guys don't seem to be able to decide between "full set" and "full show". There's a big difference in my opinion.
  • JOEJOEJOE
    JOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,822
    Faceless Man wrote:
    when i asked on 3 different occasions i was never responded to

    my only hope is the summerfest dates say "co - headlining" while the rest say "special night with..."

    i know 10c works their asses off to do good but they were very political when answering this question... just upsetting, my emotions are coming out in my words right now... I'll get over it, but it just stinks...

    I don't agree with all of your gripes, but I hope you can put it past you by the time you go to your show......being consumed with the shortened set will only prevent you from having a good time!

    If you went out with Jessica Alba, and you wanted to sleep with her, would you be sad if all you did was make out?
    :)

    I don't see anyone offering to pay extra if the band plays for a 1/2 longer then usual!

    But seriously, I hope you get over this soon, my friend.
  • markinsand
    markinsand Posts: 184
    pureoc wrote:
    I really love all the bitching here. If you didn't expect about a 90 min. +/- set list for the PJ Petty Shows you are a MORON!!! It's pretty standard for a co-headlinging bill to be both bands playing roughly 90 min. Do I hope I get more than 90 min. at Summerfest? Hell yeah I do. But I knew going in what it was, a CO HEADLINGING SHOW, not just PJ. Glad I got to see full PJ shows in Chicago and Grand Rapids, but I'll gladly take 90 min. of PJ in Milwaukee than no PJ in Milwaukee!!!

    first off pureoc I was on the tom petty site getting along with you so im sure you are cool....but here are some posts from you earlier when this news was going down:

    "This concert can and Im assuming will go past 11. Summerfest grounds close at 12 and many side stage headliners, who start at 10 play till 11:30 or 11:45 so I'd be willing to bet PJ and Petty will play to about the same. My guess is PJ from 8 - 9:45 Petty 10:15 - 12:00 with a couple of colaborations!!! Since PJ doesn't start till 8 Im wondering if their will be and opener playing from 7 - 7:30, maybe Foo Fighters!!!"

    "This should mean Im guessing 2 hrs. of each band. PJ 7:30 - 9:30 TP 10 - 12. 2hrs of each band would not be bad although I would love for it to start at 6 and have each band play 2 1/2+ hrs!!!"

    so you were just as optimistic as some, you've since come to accept it but you can't be calling fans hoping for a bit longer than 80 minutes morons...
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  • markinsand
    markinsand Posts: 184
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    I don't agree with all of your gripes, but I hope you can put it past you by the time you go to your show......being consumed with the shortened set will only prevent you from having a good time!

    If you went out with Jessica Alba, and you wanted to sleep with her, would you be sad if all you did was make out?
    :)

    I don't see anyone offering to pay extra if the band plays for a 1/2 longer then usual!

    But seriously, I hope you get over this soon, my friend.

    i know what yo mean, i hope i get over this too or ill just be an angry drunk ( i don't drink at PJ shows as to not miss anything)
  • JOEJOEJOE
    JOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,822
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    If I managed the band more fans would have a chance to see them without traveling and spending too much. Sorry, that would be my goal.

    Nice to be idealistic, but its way too easy to state a goal without knowing the reality of a situation
  • bandagedhandinhand
    bandagedhandinhand Posts: 3
    I totally had a good attitude going to the PJ/TP concert in St. Paul. I felt lucky that they were playing in my home town. But I left the concert completely bummed. They only played like 3 songs off their new ablum, the rest were Pearl Jam's top 10, to please the TP fans. I went to concert to hear the new songs and I was let down. PJ did do an awesome job on every song they did, but I really wanted to hear the new songs. We left before TP got on stage. I am not disappointed with the amount of time we had with PJ, just their selections of songs. Ed said that tonight was an experiment and he thought it went well, I totally disagree and wish we weren't part of the experiment.
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  • drolly
    drolly Posts: 41
    Faceless Man-

    You are exactly right. Don't let these PJ apologists try to steer you wrong. This was an absolute scam by the band, plain and simple. I have ZERO interest in seeing Petty and I just got back from the first show. You are exactly right, when these shows were first announced, they were billed as Tom Petty opening for PJ. Then we all found out this wasn't the case after the fact. However, we were still promised full sets from both bands, hence the $100+ ticket price (double money, double shows). I had feared the worst ever since hearing that PJ would be opening and turns out my worst fears were realized. PJ played for an hour and 20 mins tonight. When you take into account that a PJ show usually lasts about 2 and a half hours, that's roughly half a show. I have no idea how long Petty played. Didn't stay. No interest in seeing Petty. If I had known this was going to be the case BEFORE buying the tix, I never would have purchased them. I spent a full ticket amount for Pearl Jam and got half a PJ show. That's absolutely ridiculous.
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  • bacchanal
    bacchanal Posts: 149
    drolly wrote:
    Faceless Man-

    You are exactly right. Don't let these PJ apologists try to steer you wrong. This was an absolute scam by the band, plain and simple. I have ZERO interest in seeing Petty and I just got back from the first show. You are exactly right, when these shows were first announced, they were billed as Tom Petty opening for PJ. Then we all found out this wasn't the case after the fact. However, we were still promised full sets from both bands, hence the $100+ ticket price (double money, double shows). I had feared the worst ever since hearing that PJ would be opening and turns out my worst fears were realized. PJ played for an hour and 20 mins tonight. When you take into account that a PJ show usually lasts about 2 and a half hours, that's roughly half a show. I have no idea how long Petty played. Didn't stay. No interest in seeing Petty. If I had known this was going to be the case BEFORE buying the tix, I never would have purchased them. I spent a full ticket amount for Pearl Jam and got half a PJ show. That's absolutely ridiculous.


    i'm not sure how many festival shows u have been to but in the like 100 I have ben to I have NEVER heard a full set from any band......tool, smashing pumpkins, beastie boys...u name it....I didnt get tickets to these shows for that reason alone...not to sound I told U so ish...
  • markinsand
    markinsand Posts: 184
    im an accountant so i work in numbers / facts

    summerfest 730-12am that's 270 minutes, you need a stage change, that's 30 minutes, heck I'll give you 45 as I hear Pettys crew is old and slow, now we're down to 225 minutes, slice that in half, 112 (round down) minutes each band for a CO-HEADLINE

    112 - 80 = 32 minutes short tonight...but it appears Petty is getting that 1/2 hour.

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