10c / Pearl Jam should be ashamed for not being honest about Petty shows

Vital73

Ok, so first of all I can't believe I just spent an hour reading this thread! However, I did not see a few points that maybe should be interjected here:

1. You are dealing with two large operations coming together for these shows. None of us on here know what goes on behind the scenes. Therefore it seems a bit presumptuous to assert that the band or 10c had any idea that the PJ set would be 80 some minutes. Maybe Petty's crew fucked the whole thing up beforehand and PJ didn't like the fact that their sound was not up to par. Maybe they were having tech problems and had to end early so they could fix them for Petty, i.e. the 1hr set change.

2. Maybe since a lot of PJ fans and Petty fans go to multiple shows they will switch the time around for night 2. Maybe tonight PJ plays 120min and Petty plays 85. Who knows.

3. Maybe there was some collab planned that couldn't go down due to the long set change.

Point is for all of you to come out and assert that this was a planned scam by the band and/or 10c is fucking embarassing. If you really think that then quit the club and go join Good Charlotte's f/c or Staind. But take your negative jumping to conclusions assertions somewhere else. We are all supposed to be fans of this band here. Personally I was planning on going to both of these shows but ended up that I couldn't get away from Seattle this week. I knew it would be shorter sets than usual for both acts, but I still wanted to go. I can totally appreciate being bummed about the set only being 85minutes, but to come out and call it a scam or false advertising is flat out wrong.

And to piggyback on another post, why pay the inflated price and leave after PJ? Tom Petty is an Icon and worth seeing. It's not going to give you the same effect up and down your spinal column but he still puts on a great show. At least stay and see his show. Shit, I would have stayed in anticipation of Ed coming out for just the one tune with him.

Anyway that's my .02 Let the bashing begin, or continue, or whatever......

markinsand

Vital73 wrote:

Anyway that's my .02 Let the bashing begin, or continue, or whatever......

i agree with you, nice post... just frustrated...

i dont think it's a big ploy to rob us, just turns out PJ is getting a short end fo the stick, so be it...

TexJam

Set was tooo short...but should have expected it I guess.

TexJam

drolly wrote:

Because it's easier for the apologists who didn't buy tickets to sit around and act like they were smarter because they "knew" this was going to happen. Of course those who didn't spend their money on this would be the ones defending the show. Strange that 99% of those who DID spend their money are the ones complaining they didn't get what was advertised, no?

Funny too how all these apologists can sit here and rip on "nitpicking", yet they keep referring to what a "full set" is and there is no deviation from that. Especially considering that both the word "set" and "sets" have been thrown around pretty liberally when 10c was selling the tickets. As in "both bands will be playing full sets." Not "a set", but "full setS".

I guess what it all comes down to is that I have seen how we've been treated by 10c in the past (great) and didn't expect everything that was advertised by the 10c to change. Was I a little apprehensive when I found out that everything I had been told before buying the tickets wasn't true and that I was in for a dissapointment? You bet. Did I hold out hope that I shouldn't be thinking that and everything would turn out alright? Well, last night that hope was dashed. So I guess I'm so sorry for giving all those involved in this scam more credit than they deserved. My bad.

Just compare the St. Paul set list to others....I am not saying people should feel cheated...hell you get Petty along with PJ....but IMO a typical PJ set list is a set list with encores.

sk8nshoot1

Last time I checked, every "opening act" plays a shorter set than the "headliner"... Did PJ play a "full set" when they "opened" for the Stones?
Nope... Just looked: 14 songs... (3 less than the Petty show)

I have looked high and low and saw no idication that this was a "co-headlining" show... Last BIG ACT Co-Headline shows I really know of were Metalica and GNR, and we all know how those ended up... And Hagar/DLR who switched up every night, but it was clearly defined prior...

These shows were clearly defined too... PJ opens for Petty.

I would have killed to see this show...

I'm going to see Petty in Hartford and the Allman Bros are "opening"... Great band, Hall of Famers I believe, or should be if not yet, and do I expect them to play their usual set... Nope...

Saw Petty last year with the Black Crowes... Did the Crowes play the same set as when they headline they're own gigs? Nope...

Why would anyone expect more than what PJ did last night??? 80/85/90 (whatever it was/by whoever's watch/phone) minutes is great for an "opening" act... And let's be clear, that's what they are doing, opening for Tom Petty.

Let's not be so petty (pardon the pun) and just enjoy the gifft of music as presented by these great acts...

Done venting...

applenut

PJ & Dylan = Muse wrote:

What is not true about that statement? Have you seen what those bands are charging for a seat up close...Stones $450, U2 $160, Bon Jovi $150.

U2 was 49.50

sk8nshoot1

applenut wrote:

U2 was 49.50

$49.50 for the GA Floor... Not a seat... All lower bowl seats were $160

jamminpearls

I see how your mad, because of the cash amount u spent. But did anyone else read the boards were bootlegs for these shows were talked about by basecamp? They are lettting u purchase both petty shows for the price of one. Why? because it said that the shows would be shorter. Not being a dick and would be dissapointed myself,but i read it. And many others probably did 2.

markinsand

sk8nshoot1 wrote:

And let's be clear, that's what they are doing, opening for Tom Petty.

per 10c:

29 Jun Milwaukee Wisconsin Marcus Amphitheatre: Summerfest
Co-headlining with Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers


I'll wait and see

sk8nshoot1

Faceless Man wrote:

per 10c:

29 Jun Milwaukee Wisconsin Marcus Amphitheatre: Summerfest
Co-headlining with Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers


I'll wait and see

The Summerfest shows might be different... Hope it meets your expectations...

markinsand

jamminpearls wrote:

I see how your mad, because of the cash amount u spent. But did anyone else read the boards were bootlegs for these shows were talked about by basecamp? They are lettting u purchase both petty shows for the price of one. Why? because it said that the shows would be shorter. Not being a dick and would be dissapointed myself,but i read it. And many others probably did 2.

That was posted this past Friday, a bit late ...

and my point again, if the boots are 2 for 1 how about tix?

markinsand

sk8nshoot1 wrote:

The Summerfest shows might be different... Hope it meets your expectations...

i am now prepared for the worst so i'll be fine...

i don't doubt pj is going to pack one hell of a setlist in... just wish it could be 4-5 songs longer.

in my opinion a 1 hour set change is rediculous and the culpret.... seems as if Pj and Petty hung out backstage and that's the gameplan

jamminpearls

Faceless Man wrote:

That was posted this past Friday, a bit late ...

and my point again, if the boots are 2 for 1 how about tix?

if u read i said i agree with u, but also i remember that i read that post about boots. I put 2 and 2 together and it equalled 4.

JOEJOEJOE

Vital73 wrote:

Ok, so first of all I can't believe I just spent an hour reading this thread! However, I did not see a few points that maybe should be interjected here:

1. You are dealing with two large operations coming together for these shows. None of us on here know what goes on behind the scenes. Therefore it seems a bit presumptuous to assert that the band or 10c had any idea that the PJ set would be 80 some minutes. Maybe Petty's crew fucked the whole thing up beforehand and PJ didn't like the fact that their sound was not up to par. Maybe they were having tech problems and had to end early so they could fix them for Petty, i.e. the 1hr set change.

2. Maybe since a lot of PJ fans and Petty fans go to multiple shows they will switch the time around for night 2. Maybe tonight PJ plays 120min and Petty plays 85. Who knows.

3. Maybe there was some collab planned that couldn't go down due to the long set change.

Point is for all of you to come out and assert that this was a planned scam by the band and/or 10c is fucking embarassing. If you really think that then quit the club and go join Good Charlotte's f/c or Staind. But take your negative jumping to conclusions assertions somewhere else. We are all supposed to be fans of this band here. Personally I was planning on going to both of these shows but ended up that I couldn't get away from Seattle this week. I knew it would be shorter sets than usual for both acts, but I still wanted to go. I can totally appreciate being bummed about the set only being 85minutes, but to come out and call it a scam or false advertising is flat out wrong.

And to piggyback on another post, why pay the inflated price and leave after PJ? Tom Petty is an Icon and worth seeing. It's not going to give you the same effect up and down your spinal column but he still puts on a great show. At least stay and see his show. Shit, I would have stayed in anticipation of Ed coming out for just the one tune with him.

Anyway that's my .02 Let the bashing begin, or continue, or whatever......

Great post......too many people here like to always assume the worst, and often make their assumptions without knowing all of the facts.

I wonder if the complainers here take the same tone when they voice other concerns/complaints......it may help you get an immediate fix on something, but it usually returns to bite ya in the long run.

people love to play the victim, especially when they were made aware of the fact that this wasn't a typical gig......take responsibility for your actions, and if you have unresonable expectations, be prepared for disappointments!

kramerica4

can some of you please answer me one question:
why is it such a crime to disagree with some things pj are doing or to criticize some of their moves? being a fan does not mean to shut the fuck up when you disagree and say amen to everything. or do you think the pj-organisation is perfect? i think they are pretty good but still can improve, and the basis for this is constructive criticism.
i understand the people who paid a lot of money to see pj and petty and then find out that pj is doing just a normal opening set. as i remember 10-c didn't say anything about pj being the opening band, it said co-headlining and it wasn't even sure who will play first. so my point is not pj opening for petty, that's more than ok for me. i just think 10-c is really bad in giving us propper information about things on time. and that was the case with a lot of things this year( tour-plan disaster, vinyl-release,...)

JOEJOEJOE

kramerica4 wrote:

can some of you please answer me one question:
why is it such a crime to disagree with some things pj are doing or to criticize some of their moves? being a fan does not mean to shut the fuck up when you disagree and say amen to everything. or do you think the pj-organisation is perfect? i think they are pretty good but still can improve, and the basis for this is constructive criticism.
i understand the people who paid a lot of money to see pj and petty and then find out that pj is doing just a normal opening set. as i remember 10-c didn't say anything about pj being the opening band, it said co-headlining and it wasn't even sure who will play first. so my point is not pj opening for petty, that's more than ok for me. i just think 10-c is really bad in giving us propper information about things on time. and that was the case with a lot of things this year( tour-plan disaster, vinyl-release,...)

Its great to disagree, but to do it without facts or rational thought shows that the person is only thinking about their own needs.

kramerica4

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

Its great to disagree, but to do it without facts or rational thought shows that the person is only thinking about their own needs.

but do we agree that the ten-club is having problems comunicating with the fanbase this year?

brain of c

kramerica4 wrote:

but do we agree that the ten-club is having problems comunicating with the fanbase this year?

they send me e-mail.......

JOEJOEJOE

kramerica4 wrote:

but do we agree that the ten-club is having problems comunicating with the fanbase this year?

Sure, there have been some issues, but many people here constantly whine about the lack of information, so perhaps the band releases premature information in order to shut people up.

I think it is best to judge the clubs performance as a whole.......would you complain about Germany's best football player if he had a few mishaps, even though he has led the team to glory many times in the past?

I have never had a problem with the ten club.....I patiently wait for announcements, and then I get my seats in the first few rows.

To me, it is foolish to dwell on the negative, especially of there is nothing you can do to change it. I feel bad for anyone who goes to a 80 minute show, yet can't enjoy themselves cuz they are preoccupied with the shortened set time.

Instead of obssessing about a bands' preceived imperfections, I would worry more about government imperfections!

markinsand

Were 10c tix made available when PJ opened for the Stones?

If so, then I didn't know, shame on me

If not, hmmmm