Why do people feel so entitled to 10C tickets?

spryguy09 · January 2013

MG79478 wrote:

zman wrote:

there was no "luck" with F5, if you were diligent enough you could score tickets. if you were lazy and gave up you didnt. so those who wanted to go to the show the most got the tickets, those who didnt, didnt.

in a nutshell those are the people who u want at the show no? not just the "well if i get them i guess i will go" people

Spot on zman. Myself and many others were 100% on F5 (on plenty of shows too), we were still trying while others were posting complaints. EVERYONE has a life, and other commitments. SOME chose to make 10C tickets a priority, which came at a cost that some where willing to pay, and some weren't.

Taking this in to account, you can understand why F5 is the optimal system. For those who don't make tickets a priority, it's essentially a lottery. For those rabid fans willing to invest the time and effort, tickets were nearly guaranteed. The lottery is not all it's cracked up to be, and many of us saw this coming.

Yeah, screw those stupid people who make their family and work a priority...... :problem:

Besides, people who are saying they've never been shut out, welcome to the club of those who had real priorities during the F5 f-up.

MG79478 · January 2013

javis el errante wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

I think it's because people have convinced themselves that some kind of skill was involved when F5ing.... delusions of grandeur or something, I dunno.

yeah, that is considered hard work too...

Do you guys even read other posts? No one said it's "hard work", just that it took effort effort. And while there were some tricks to the trade, I don't see anyone calling it "skill".

PJ_Soul · January 2013

MG79478 wrote:

bootlegger10 wrote:

MG79478 wrote:

Spot on zman. Myself and many others were 100% on F5 (on plenty of shows too), we were still trying while others were posting complaints. EVERYONE has a life, and other commitments. SOME chose to make 10C tickets a priority, which came at a cost that some where willing to pay, and some weren't.

Taking this in to account, you can understand why F5 is the optimal system. For those who don't make tickets a priority, it's essentially a lottery. For those rabid fans willing to invest the time and effort, tickets were nearly guaranteed. The lottery is not all it's cracked up to be, and many of us saw this coming.

No, there were people F5ing for hours and hours and hours and hours with no luck for PJ20. I've missed MSG shows before. There are tons of people that F5 and have missed out on tickets over the years.

How do you know the details of every person who tried? Did they sit there and refresh once ever 10 minutes, or did they try constantly. You can only assume. I'm going to take an educated guess and say that most exaggerated their efforts when they complained.

I don't see how that is mathematically possible unless you assume that the number of people who tried for hours, constantly, exactly matched the number of 10C tickets available. I really do think that some of you have talked yourself into thinking that good luck is actually a payoff for all your F5ing. There is simply no way that anyone who persistently F5'd always got tickets to shows with a very high demand. No f'n way. If it makes your feel better to believe that, well, have at it. But it's kind of delusional.

amethgr8 · January 2013

I'm not exaggerating, it took me 8 hrs to get PJ20 tickets.

I'm under 100k number and I don't feel entitled, I'm grateful for what I get and if nothing for the moment, then for what I've got in the past.

just saying, some of the lower numbered peeps are not all complainers or post-a-lots.

cheers!

amy

MG79478 · January 2013

spryguy09 wrote:

Yeah, screw those stupid people who make their family and work a priority...... :problem:

Besides, people who are saying they've never been shut out, welcome to the club of those who had real priorities during the F5 f-up.

Your words, not mine. You don't think I (and other F5 proponents) have family and work priorities? That's asinine. :fp:

javis el errante · January 2013

MG79478 wrote:

Do you guys even read other posts? No one said it's "hard work", just that it took effort effort. And while there were some tricks to the trade, I don't see anyone calling it "skill".

I did read other posts, and from those posts is that I've read that F5ing was considered skill and hard work...

bootlegger10 · January 2013

I remember trying to buy PJ20 tickets. I was at a conference for work. I stepped out to buy tickets and tried for a half hour F5ing and didn't get tickets. I don't think you should have to F5 for 8 hours to get a ticket. I think a half hour was enough effort.

I am all for selling first come first serve if the system can handle the stress, but not if we have had the clusterf*cks we have had recently.

AP30511 · January 2013

MG79478 wrote:

zman wrote:

there was no "luck" with F5, if you were diligent enough you could score tickets. if you were lazy and gave up you didnt. so those who wanted to go to the show the most got the tickets, those who didnt, didnt.

in a nutshell those are the people who u want at the show no? not just the "well if i get them i guess i will go" people

Spot on zman. Myself and many others were 100% on F5 (on plenty of shows too), we were still trying while others were posting complaints. EVERYONE has a life, and other commitments. SOME chose to make 10C tickets a priority, which came at a cost that some where willing to pay, and some weren't.

Taking this in to account, you can understand why F5 is the optimal system. For those who don't make tickets a priority, it's essentially a lottery. For those rabid fans willing to invest the time and effort, tickets were nearly guaranteed. The lottery is not all it's cracked up to be, and many of us saw this coming.

I'm sorry, but this is one of the most ridiculous things I have seen/read today on here. I've been a very passionate fan since the first time I saw them in 1995 when I was 12 years old and try to see them whenever possible. They are and have been a major influence in my life. However, getting tickets to see them is not my #1 priority. I've got kids, a wife and a full time job. I can't afford sitting at a computer for 9+ hours hitting the F5 key. So anyone who thinks that you are not a real passionate fan if you don't devote a whole day to hitting the F5 key repeatedly, you are out of your mind. I love the new lottery system, as it gives everyone an equal chance to get tickets and you don't have to devote an entire day trying to get tickets. And oh yeah, I got denied for Wrigley today. Missoula too. And PJ20 as well after the F5 fiasco. Made it to those others and will make it to Wrigley. Give the 10C a break, they're doing their best and we should be appreciative.

bootlegger10 · January 2013

MG79478 wrote:

spryguy09 wrote:

Yeah, screw those stupid people who make their family and work a priority...... :problem:

Besides, people who are saying they've never been shut out, welcome to the club of those who had real priorities during the F5 f-up.

Your words, not mine. You don't think I (and other F5 proponents) have family and work priorities? That's asinine. :fp:

If you believe 8 hours of F5ing makes sense, then so be it dude.

spryguy09 · January 2013

MG79478 wrote:

spryguy09 wrote:

Yeah, screw those stupid people who make their family and work a priority...... :problem:

Besides, people who are saying they've never been shut out, welcome to the club of those who had real priorities during the F5 f-up.

Your words, not mine. You don't think I (and other F5 proponents) have family and work priorities? That's asinine. :fp:

And those are your words, not mine. I've been seeing posts all day from people who say they've never missed out on a tour because they would be at the computer ready to buy tix right when they went on sale. That's great if they have the ability to do that. But there are a lot of people who never had that chance because they need to work, and would get, what's the term, oh yeah...they would get SHUT OUT of the 10C tickets.

People need to have some perspective here. The same amount of people get "shut out" of 10C tickets for every show if we need to F5 or if it's a lottery. It's just with the lottery, everyone has an equal chance of getting tickets which is the way it should be.

MG79478 · January 2013

PJ_Soul wrote:

I don't see how that is mathematically possible unless you assume that the number of people who tried for hours, constantly, exactly matched the number of 10C tickets available. I really do think that some of you have talked yourself into thinking that good luck is actually a payoff for all your F5ing. There is simply no way that anyone who persistently F5'd always got tickets to shows with a very high demand. No f'n way. If it makes your feel better to believe that, well, have at it. But it's kind of delusional.

I personally know one other person who is 100%, and seen many others post about it, or post they were nearly 100%. Maybe there are only a dozen people... who knows. I really think that some of you have talked yourself in to hating F5 so much, facts don't matter.

For the record, scored my first choice in the lottery for Wrigley... felt so dirty. Karma's a bitch!

amethgr8 · January 2013

i got shut out for the Vic 10c only show and EV in Chicago. I got tix to EV in St Louis and made the 5hr drive. I could have used TM for EV in Chi, but for whatever reason, I didn't, that was my choice.

that PJ20 sale...looking back, I don't know how I sat in front of that computer (which is prolly 5 yrs old) for 8 hrs doing the same thing. I left work around 2pm b/c I think they took the servers down or something, maybe I just took a chance, but had to make dinner, going from one room to the other, then on the boards looking for any kind of freaking information I could find. It was crazy. I get tired after 8hrs of just work on the computer and can't hardly turn it on when I get home. I don't know how I did it, doing the same thing over and over...

just saying, whatever is fine. I think their intial goal was to reward the original fans, when they were still a fan, and now it's turned into this huge thing and it's really hard to know which way to go with it.

we know, that they know, what it's like to be outside when your fav band is playing. it's part of the reason people are so passionate.

amy

MG79478 · January 2013

AP30511 wrote:

I'm sorry, but this is one of the most ridiculous things I have seen/read today on here. I've been a very passionate fan since the first time I saw them in 1995 when I was 12 years old and try to see them whenever possible. They are and have been a major influence in my life. However, getting tickets to see them is not my #1 priority. I've got kids, a wife and a full time job. I can't afford sitting at a computer for 9+ hours hitting the F5 key. So anyone who thinks that you are not a real passionate fan if you don't devote a whole day to hitting the F5 key repeatedly, you are out of your mind. I love the new lottery system, as it gives everyone an equal chance to get tickets and you don't have to devote an entire day trying to get tickets. And oh yeah, I got denied for Wrigley today. Missoula too. And PJ20 as well after the F5 fiasco. Made it to those others and will make it to Wrigley. Give the 10C a break, they're doing their best and we should be appreciative.

Your flawed assumption is getting tickets has to be your #1 priority. Again, people are just inserting their own opinions on this topic. It just needs to be A priority.

bootlegger10 wrote:

If you believe 8 hours of F5ing makes sense, then so be it dude.

Why do you keep going back to a 1 time event? PJ20 was an outlier, not the norm. I usually scored tickets in 10 minutes. Let's talk about that!

spryguy09 wrote:

And those are your words, not mine. I've been seeing posts all day from people who say they've never missed out on a tour because they would be at the computer ready to buy tix right when they went on sale. That's great if they have the ability to do that. But there are a lot of people who never had that chance because they need to work, and would get, what's the term, oh yeah...they would get SHUT OUT of the 10C tickets.

People need to have some perspective here. The same amount of people get "shut out" of 10C tickets for every show if we need to F5 or if it's a lottery. It's just with the lottery, everyone has an equal chance of getting tickets which is the way it should be.

I didn't try to put words in YOUR mouth, so there is no need to say "those are your words, not mine".

Please research this before you go posting your opinions. I realize that this board is full of liberals, but I assume at least more than half work. Some of us even have very challenging careers. But most people also get vacation, which they can choose to use or not. Some have trouble taking vacation (teachers), so they can arrange for a friend or family member to help with tickets. It's not rocket science, it just takes planning. This simple point has been made in many posts on the subject.

bootlegger10 · January 2013

MG79478 wrote:

bootlegger10 wrote:

If you believe 8 hours of F5ing makes sense, then so be it dude.

Why do you keep going back to a 1 time event? PJ20 was an outlier, not the norm. I usually scored tickets in 10 minutes. Let's talk about that!

F5 wasn't really a popular term until the PJ20 sale. MSG sales took hours to buy back in 2008. The popular shows require a lot of time to set aside to purchase them. Wrigley would have been another 3-6 hours of F5ing under the old system. So when you say go back to F5 that sounds ridiculous. What is also ridiculous is you believing everyone can get a ticket if they just try hard for 15 minutes.

If you want to go back to a system like Ticketmaster that can handle the traffic, then that seems reasonable.

spryguy09 · January 2013

MG79478 wrote:

AP30511 wrote:

I'm sorry, but this is one of the most ridiculous things I have seen/read today on here. I've been a very passionate fan since the first time I saw them in 1995 when I was 12 years old and try to see them whenever possible. They are and have been a major influence in my life. However, getting tickets to see them is not my #1 priority. I've got kids, a wife and a full time job. I can't afford sitting at a computer for 9+ hours hitting the F5 key. So anyone who thinks that you are not a real passionate fan if you don't devote a whole day to hitting the F5 key repeatedly, you are out of your mind. I love the new lottery system, as it gives everyone an equal chance to get tickets and you don't have to devote an entire day trying to get tickets. And oh yeah, I got denied for Wrigley today. Missoula too. And PJ20 as well after the F5 fiasco. Made it to those others and will make it to Wrigley. Give the 10C a break, they're doing their best and we should be appreciative.

Your flawed assumption is getting tickets has to be your #1 priority. Again, people are just inserting their own opinions on this topic. It just needs to be A priority.

bootlegger10 wrote:

If you believe 8 hours of F5ing makes sense, then so be it dude.

Why do you keep going back to a 1 time event? PJ20 was an outlier, not the norm. I usually scored tickets in 10 minutes. Let's talk about that!

spryguy09 wrote:

And those are your words, not mine. I've been seeing posts all day from people who say they've never missed out on a tour because they would be at the computer ready to buy tix right when they went on sale. That's great if they have the ability to do that. But there are a lot of people who never had that chance because they need to work, and would get, what's the term, oh yeah...they would get SHUT OUT of the 10C tickets.

People need to have some perspective here. The same amount of people get "shut out" of 10C tickets for every show if we need to F5 or if it's a lottery. It's just with the lottery, everyone has an equal chance of getting tickets which is the way it should be.

I didn't try to put words in YOUR mouth, so there is no need to say "those are your words, not mine".

Please research this before you go posting your opinions. I realize that this board is full of liberals, but I assume at least more than half work. Some of us even have very challenging careers. But most people also get vacation, which they can choose to use or not. Some have trouble taking vacation (teachers), so they can arrange for a friend or family member to help with tickets. It's not rocket science, it just takes planning. This simple point has been made in many posts on the subject.

Oh, I'm sorry, I guess I must have misread your saying to me "your words, not mine". I was just starting my post with the same comment that you made in mine to be sarcastic dude. I'll start "researching" more on the opinions I have about the same posts I've read from so many people here. I thought my "opinion" didn't require me to do additional research, but I'll get on that boss.

2-feign-reluctance · January 2013

I'm a liberal - and a professor - and a therapist - and soon to be Dad. I can't wait to test out the lottery in a few years.

dimitrispearljam · January 2013

javis el errante wrote:

I did read other posts, and from those posts is that I've read that F5ing was considered skill and hard work...

yeah,..knowing the tricks,have fast internet,multiple acounts,multiple browsers,its hard work and skills for some people

dimitrispearljam · January 2013

Indifference71 wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

zman wrote:

there was no "luck" with F5, if you were diligent enough you could score tickets. if you were lazy and gave up you didnt. so those who wanted to go to the show the most got the tickets, those who didnt, didnt.

in a nutshell those are the people who u want at the show no? not just the "well if i get them i guess i will go" people

not necessarily...I'm more passionate about going to PJ shows than I am about many things in my life, but there were many times I could not sit at a desk and hit F5 over and over again. Not everyone's circumstances are the same, although I definitely did whatever I could to make myself available to hit F5 all day when possible.

Exactly. For zman to say those that gave up were lazy and didn't want to go to the show the most is fucking ridiculous. People have jobs and lives to worry about over sitting at a fucking computer all day. Also- there was "luck" with the F5 fiasco. Plenty of people sat at their computer for hours and got shutout. I really can't believe some of the shit I am reading around here today.

yep...exactly this

dimitrispearljam · January 2013

DN46518 wrote:

Excellent post.

comebackgirl · January 2013

MG79478 wrote:

zman wrote:

there was no "luck" with F5, if you were diligent enough you could score tickets. if you were lazy and gave up you didnt. so those who wanted to go to the show the most got the tickets, those who didnt, didnt.

in a nutshell those are the people who u want at the show no? not just the "well if i get them i guess i will go" people

Spot on zman. Myself and many others were 100% on F5 (on plenty of shows too), we were still trying while others were posting complaints. EVERYONE has a life, and other commitments. SOME chose to make 10C tickets a priority, which came at a cost that some where willing to pay, and some weren't.

Taking this in to account, you can understand why F5 is the optimal system. For those who don't make tickets a priority, it's essentially a lottery. For those rabid fans willing to invest the time and effort, tickets were nearly guaranteed. The lottery is not all it's cracked up to be, and many of us saw this coming.

Unless everyone has the exact same type of job with the exact same work and family commitments, you just can't make the comparison. If you have a newborn or you're a doctor and you're prioritizing 10c tix over the care of your child or patients...then those might be some screwy priorities. I don't care what system 10c uses, I'm gonna try for tix regardless. Fortunately when PJ20 tix went on sale I was able to sit and try for 8 hours...my husband tried for 7.5 hours until he finally had to leave for work...which is when I scored them and I was elated! That rocked. I was over the moon. It didn't take any kind of skill to hit the F5 button though and there wasn't any kind of hard work involved. That's just silliness

Why do people feel so entitled to 10C tickets?

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