Lance Armstrong doping ?

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    This guy may just be the biggest fuck face ever.

    Everything he does is self serving. Fuck him with a gigantic dildo.
    He is a fuck face, for sure... Although his charity has raised something like half a billion dollars for cancer research, so not EVERYTHING he does is self-serving, to be fair.

    Cancer awareness, not research. Because people are not aware of cancer and that it is awful. If it went to research that would be awesome, but it went to Lance Armstr....errr, cancer awareness. Even that I think is self serving and I am starting to think was just a way for him to make a bigger name for himself.
    Okay, you're right - not cancer research (per se). This is what they do:
    We've worked to identify the issues faced by cancer survivors in order to comprehensively improve quality of life for members of the global cancer community.
    National Action Plan

    In collaboration with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, we chart a course for the public health community to address cancer survivorship.


    National Action Plan: African American Priorities

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    National Action Plan: Native American Priorities

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    AYAO Progress Review Group: YAA Priorities

    Explore specific recommendations to address the unique issues in adolescent and young adult cancer survivorship.


    National Call to Action for Cancer Survivors

    Find evidence-based, actionable steps to reduce the risk of developing cancer and improve the quality of life for all cancer survivors.


    LIVESTRONG Cancer Policy Platform

    LIVESTRONG supports key policy initiatives at the global, federal and state levels to improve the lives of people affected by cancer.


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    Explore specific recommendations and support for minimum insurance coverage of fertility preservation for cancer survivors at risk for infertility caused by necessary medical treatments.
    Seems pretty good to me. It's always good to give credit where credit is due, even if a fuck face is involved in something good. I'm no Armstrong apologist, but Livestrong has been a good thing.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,036
    And I do. I have said in this thead that his book really helped my old man through his first cancer and I have always been appreciative of that. I just question his intentions.

    He has ruined so many peoples lives destroying their name and now he is going to confess....come on, save it.
  • Enkidu
    Enkidu So Cal Posts: 2,996
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    This guy may just be the biggest fuck face ever.

    Everything he does is self serving. Fuck him with a gigantic dildo.

    I agree. I wish he'd go away. This "apology" or whatever it is is just as self serving as everything else. What a pitiful waste of a life.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    edited January 2013
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    And I do. I have said in this thead that his book really helped my old man through his first cancer and I have always been appreciative of that. I just question his intentions.

    He has ruined so many peoples lives destroying their name and now he is going to confess....come on, save it.

    I don't personally question his intentions as far as the charity stuff goes any more than I question anyone who heads up a charity organization (I suspect that most of those people at least in part do it because of the position it gives them socially). As for his confession... Eh, what else is he supposed to do? He really painted himself into a corner with all the lying. His options are to keep denying or to confess what everyone already knows. I don't think he has much of a choice. It's not like people are just leaving him alone and letting him fade into obscurity. Making a big public confession (and presumably an apology that none of us are going to take to heart) seems like his only option at this point. Of course it's self-serving (although I'm sure the charity is on his mind too) ... it's the only possible thing that might let him move on from this shit show. At times we are all self-serving, and need to be, right? Again, not a fan of this guy, but I have no problem looking at the situation logically and not emotionally.
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    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,036
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    And I do. I have said in this thead that his book really helped my old man through his first cancer and I have always been appreciative of that. I just question his intentions.

    He has ruined so many peoples lives destroying their name and now he is going to confess....come on, save it.

    I don't personally question his intentions as far as the charity stuff goes any more than I question anyone who heads up a charity organization (I suspect that most of those people at least in part do it because of the position it gives them socially). As for his confession... Eh, what else is he supposed to do? He really painted himself into a corner with all the lying. His options are to keep denying or to confess what everyone already knows. I don't think he has much of a choice. It's not like people are just leaving him alone and letting him fade into obscurity. Making a big public confession (and presumably an apology that none of us are going to take to heart) seems like his only option at this point.

    And a subsequent book to make money off it. Just wait. I just want him to go away.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    And I do. I have said in this thead that his book really helped my old man through his first cancer and I have always been appreciative of that. I just question his intentions.

    He has ruined so many peoples lives destroying their name and now he is going to confess....come on, save it.

    I don't personally question his intentions as far as the charity stuff goes any more than I question anyone who heads up a charity organization (I suspect that most of those people at least in part do it because of the position it gives them socially). As for his confession... Eh, what else is he supposed to do? He really painted himself into a corner with all the lying. His options are to keep denying or to confess what everyone already knows. I don't think he has much of a choice. It's not like people are just leaving him alone and letting him fade into obscurity. Making a big public confession (and presumably an apology that none of us are going to take to heart) seems like his only option at this point.

    And a subsequent book to make money off it. Just wait. I just want him to go away.
    He would write a book either way... I actually don't have a problem with anyone writing a book and earning piles of money. People writing books doesn't bother me, even if they're pricks.
    I don't care if he goes away or not. It seems a lot of people are interested in this whole thing. The book will do well.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • mydogmookieblaylock
    mydogmookieblaylock Posts: 2,996
    remember when Lance Armstrong was relevant?

    ......neither do I
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    mydogmookieblaylock wrote:
    remember when Lance Armstrong was relevant?

    ......neither do I
    But to cycling fans he was as relevant as Gretzky was and is to hockey fans. That's really relevant - just depends who you are!
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    lance armstrong has benefited way more from his charity than any cancer victim ... he used to charge $50k to go on a "ride" with lance ... under the guise of his charity ... but only $35k went to the charity ...

    livestrong's primary goal was to build up the brand that is lance ... how else do you explain two different websites with different intentions ... .com and .org

    anyways - this is all about lance being lance ... it's about him wanting to race again ...
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    polaris_x wrote:
    lance armstrong has benefited way more from his charity than any cancer victim ... he used to charge $50k to go on a "ride" with lance ... under the guise of his charity ... but only $35k went to the charity ...

    livestrong's primary goal was to build up the brand that is lance ... how else do you explain two different websites with different intentions ... .com and .org

    anyways - this is all about lance being lance ... it's about him wanting to race again ...
    I kind of want him to race again... just for the drama. I mean, wouldn't he spend the whole race having rotten tomatoes being thrown at him?? I don't see how he could possibly race in public ever again.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    I kind of want him to race again... just for the drama. I mean, wouldn't he spend the whole race having rotten tomatoes being thrown at him?? I don't see how he could possibly race in public ever again.

    his public perception didn't really take that big of a hit ... i think most people treat it like - everyone was cheating then (and they were) so, really all he was doing what everyone else was doing ...

    what makes lance an A+ asshole wasn't that he cheated but what he was prepared to do to hide the fact he cheated ... and most people don't really know that part of the story ...
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    polaris_x wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    I kind of want him to race again... just for the drama. I mean, wouldn't he spend the whole race having rotten tomatoes being thrown at him?? I don't see how he could possibly race in public ever again.

    his public perception didn't really take that big of a hit ... i think most people treat it like - everyone was cheating then (and they were) so, really all he was doing what everyone else was doing ...

    what makes lance an A+ asshole wasn't that he cheated but what he was prepared to do to hide the fact he cheated ... and most people don't really know that part of the story ...
    You think so? That's not my perception. As far as I can tell, the public is pretty disgusted with him.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    You think so? That's not my perception. As far as I can tell, the public is pretty disgusted with him.

    ya ... hence my point that livestrong did more for lance than it ever did for cancer victims ... the majority of articles related to lance talked about livestrong ... no one wants to shit on that charity ... and he is livestrong ...
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    polaris_x wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    You think so? That's not my perception. As far as I can tell, the public is pretty disgusted with him.

    ya ... hence my point that livestrong did more for lance than it ever did for cancer victims ... the majority of articles related to lance talked about livestrong ... no one wants to shit on that charity ... and he is livestrong ...
    Hmm... I dunno. I'm not seeing it the same as you. Livestrong can go on without Lance; he has stepped down from his position with the charity. So it's good that no one wants to shit on the charity. I just don't think that's keeping people from shitting directly on him.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    Hmm... I dunno. I'm not seeing it the same as you. Livestrong can go on without Lance; he has stepped down from his position with the charity. So it's good that no one wants to shit on the charity. I just don't think that's keeping people from shitting directly on him.

    dude was out in public in two major events ... one was a fundraiser for livestrong ... another some bike ride thing ... and in both - he got tons of cheers ...
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    polaris_x wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    Hmm... I dunno. I'm not seeing it the same as you. Livestrong can go on without Lance; he has stepped down from his position with the charity. So it's good that no one wants to shit on the charity. I just don't think that's keeping people from shitting directly on him.

    dude was out in public in two major events ... one was a fundraiser for livestrong ... another some bike ride thing ... and in both - he got tons of cheers ...
    There are always a small number of people who will go out and support a creep or stand behind someone who doesn't deserve it. But that doesn't mean it's a reflection of the general public's sentiment. Of course there are still fans out there who will stand behind him, but not most I don't think... He will not be able to make a comeback IMO.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    There are always a small number of people who will go out and support a creep or stand behind someone who doesn't deserve it. But that doesn't mean it's a reflection of the general public's sentiment. Of course there are still fans out there who will stand behind him, but not most I don't think... He will not be able to make a comeback IMO.

    lance has enough money ... he isn't making a comeback for money ... he is simply just facilitating his ego ... his desire to compete ... he could care less what people think ... if his lifetime ban gets removed - you can be sure he will be back racing which is what this is all about ...
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    polaris_x wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    There are always a small number of people who will go out and support a creep or stand behind someone who doesn't deserve it. But that doesn't mean it's a reflection of the general public's sentiment. Of course there are still fans out there who will stand behind him, but not most I don't think... He will not be able to make a comeback IMO.

    lance has enough money ... he isn't making a comeback for money ... he is simply just facilitating his ego ... his desire to compete ... he could care less what people think ... if his lifetime ban gets removed - you can be sure he will be back racing which is what this is all about ...
    Couldn't care less. ;)

    I have no doubt he would race again if he could... I'm just questioning how tolerant the other racers and spectators would be. I don't think he could do it without being relentlessly booed at every race. I don't know if he would continue if that were the case.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    Couldn't care less. ;)

    I have no doubt he would race again if he could... I'm just questioning how tolerant the other racers and spectators would be. I don't think he could do it without being relentlessly booed at every race. I don't know if he would continue if that were the case.

    that's really secondary ... as it relates to lance ...
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    polaris_x wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    Couldn't care less. ;)

    I have no doubt he would race again if he could... I'm just questioning how tolerant the other racers and spectators would be. I don't think he could do it without being relentlessly booed at every race. I don't know if he would continue if that were the case.

    that's really secondary ... as it relates to lance ...
    :?: ... I thought we were talking about him racing again and how that would go and how people would react to him ... :think:
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata

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