Lance Armstrong doping ?

musicismylife78

i personally dont think he should be put in jail. Thats the corner the cycling world and establishment has painted itself into. Its making an example of Lance. But the problem is the whole cycling world doped, with the expressed written consent of the UCI and everyone else who held major power. hundreds of cyclists during those years doped. The entire winners circle during those years is a complete blank, not only did the winner cheat but the runner up and bronze winner also cheated.

the cycling world should go after everyone who doped.

supersonicyears

musicismylife78 wrote:

i personally dont think he should be put in jail. Thats the corner the cycling world and establishment has painted itself into. Its making an example of Lance. But the problem is the whole cycling world doped, with the expressed written consent of the UCI and everyone else who held major power. hundreds of cyclists during those years doped. The entire winners circle during those years is a complete blank, not only did the winner cheat but the runner up and bronze winner also cheated.

the cycling world should go after everyone who doped.

Too many did it. Still wrong.

musicismylife78

supersonicyears wrote:

musicismylife78 wrote:

i personally dont think he should be put in jail. Thats the corner the cycling world and establishment has painted itself into. Its making an example of Lance. But the problem is the whole cycling world doped, with the expressed written consent of the UCI and everyone else who held major power. hundreds of cyclists during those years doped. The entire winners circle during those years is a complete blank, not only did the winner cheat but the runner up and bronze winner also cheated.

the cycling world should go after everyone who doped.

Too many did it. Still wrong.

No ones arguing otherwise. The point is cleaning up the sport. Thats what needs to be done. Indicting or prosecuting lance doesnt accomplish that. As much as Tygart wants to act like the sport only had one doper and that was Lance, thats just not the truth and never has been. The cycling world and prosecutors are making an example of lance for a reason. Just as all such MAJOR cases like this are. The real problem is deeper, more rampant and more widespread than tygart or anyone else wants to acknowledge. If we can prosecute lance they can wash their hands of the doping situation. Look, we care about clean sport, and we punished a doper, harshly they would say. The truth is cleaning up cycling takes alot more than this.

The major problem is the people who covered up the widespread doping still are bigwigs in the cycling world. Managers, officials, UCI etc... Why would anyone think the cycling world could possibly be clean if the same people hold jobs still?

Its like racism. You dont end racism by jailing and fining a single racist. It requires more fundamental action. And in jailing and catching that single racist you dont act like you've solved racism. Just as catching Bonds or Mcgwire or ARod doesnt end doping in baseball.

These people are made examples of because those in power dont want anyone to look deeper. You look deeper and see everyone knew, covered it up, lied, cheated and allowed it to happen. It involves essentially the entire racing apparatus at the time, coaches, managers, officials, leaders, UCI officials. this thing was massive.

musicismylife78

in addition, its not being investigated fully because of those involved. Lance is small potatoes compared to the CEO's and big wigs who knew hundreds of riders were doping and said nothing because they knew theyd lose millions. This literally goes to the top.

Why would Tygart or anyone else involved in the major organizations like UCI investigate this in a REAL way, when to do so would mean blowing the whistle and exposing their own organizations criminal actions.

Make no mistake, those who knew about the doping and covered it up, deserve to be fined and prosectued and brought to trial. All of them.

These cases always go like this. Some person is made an example and the real criminals go unpunished.

polaris_x

well ... no surprise that lance wasn't going to talk ... if he was prepared to lie on oprah ... he certainly wasn't gonna come clean under oath ...

oh well ... he could do so much ...

goldrush

musicismylife78

he's essentially suggesting that USADA widen its investigation. And thats what ive been saying from day 1.

The 60 minutes interview with Tygart after Lance confessed made clear Tygart and investigators believe essentially that cyclings doping problem is one cyclist-Lance. And that the doping of all the others on his own team, and on other teams and from other countries didnt happen.

Cycling will never get cleaned up precisely because of the corrupt nature of USADA and the UCI and the sports unwillingness to look at itself in the mirror.

Lance doped. And should be punished. But thats what I said from the start. This is so much bigger than Lance, or Bonds or Mcgwire. Those guys are figureheads and easy targets. Who the media and the sports world trots out so it doesnt have to look in the mirror and deal with the reality which is that the entire sport is corrupt and cheating.

If im Tygart or USADA or UCI, i would pray everyone stays on message and on point, because as long as the focus is on one cyclist, and he's suggested to be THE problem in the sport (meaning had he not raced the sport would have been clean all those years), then the focus wont be on those individuals on other teams who cheated and havent been punished, or those individuals who head UCI and USADA who continue to get paychecks and salaries and knowingly lied about and covered up the widespread doping in the sport.

As I said before, this happens all the time in these situations. Look at Abu Gharib. Did anyone other than lower rank soldiers serve time for their actions? As long as the focus is on those small potatoes (and lets remember after all they were bad apples in an otherwise "great group"), then we dont have to deal or wont focus on the President, and Vice President and the bosses who ordered such abuse.

polaris_x

musicismylife78 wrote:

he's essentially suggesting that USADA widen its investigation. And thats what ive been saying from day 1.

no ... in fact, he wants the scope of the investigation narrowed ... the stuff he doesn't want to give up is who helped him cover up and who helped him beat the system ... USADA wants it all ... lance doesn't want to give it up ... he just wants to focus on the part that implicates no one and simply corroborate what we already know about his teammates ... essentially putting him at no more further risk than what is already out there ...

Bathgate66

The Federal Govt' going after Lance now,
100 million dollars,..

Wobbie

Bathgate66 wrote:

The Federal Govt' going after Lance now,
100 million dollars,..

well, we do have a sizeable deficit :think:

musicismylife78

just as in baseball, those in charge are in denial and are willingly covering up the widespread doping of their sport. USADA should expend as much energy on punishing the hundreds of other riders who doped during those years. And they should also put energy into firing the crooks who run USADA and UCI and strengthening and getting serious about drug testing.

We all know UCI and USADA wont be moving on to harshly and swiftly punish and expose the other cyclists who doped.

Tygart and everyone else who agrees with him, on this board and elsewhere is in denial. How he can go on tv and blatantly lie like that, minimizing the doping of other riders is a complete disgrace. Its just as much of a lie as Lance was telling all those years.

Those in charge never get punished. Thats just how it always goes. The smaller fish get the lash, and those who pulled the strings, who lied, covered up, bribed, cheated and defamed and ruined the sport continue to have a job.

How anyone on this board or elsewhere could not be up in arms that USADA and UCI currently employs and pays officials who covered up and lied about the doping of not just lance but of hundreds of other riders for over a decade, its complete ignorance

Riverrunner

musicismylife78 wrote:

just as in baseball, those in charge are in denial and are willingly covering up the widespread doping of their sport. USADA should expend as much energy on punishing the hundreds of other riders who doped during those years. And they should also put energy into firing the crooks who run USADA and UCI and strengthening and getting serious about drug testing.

We all know UCI and USADA wont be moving on to harshly and swiftly punish and expose the other cyclists who doped.

Tygart and everyone else who agrees with him, on this board and elsewhere is in denial. How he can go on tv and blatantly lie like that, minimizing the doping of other riders is a complete disgrace. Its just as much of a lie as Lance was telling all those years.

Those in charge never get punished. Thats just how it always goes. The smaller fish get the lash, and those who pulled the strings, who lied, covered up, bribed, cheated and defamed and ruined the sport continue to have a job.

How anyone on this board or elsewhere could not be up in arms that USADA and UCI currently employs and pays officials who covered up and lied about the doping of not just lance but of hundreds of other riders for over a decade, its complete ignorance

You are in denial.

musicismylife78

Riverrunner wrote:

musicismylife78 wrote:

just as in baseball, those in charge are in denial and are willingly covering up the widespread doping of their sport. USADA should expend as much energy on punishing the hundreds of other riders who doped during those years. And they should also put energy into firing the crooks who run USADA and UCI and strengthening and getting serious about drug testing.

We all know UCI and USADA wont be moving on to harshly and swiftly punish and expose the other cyclists who doped.

Tygart and everyone else who agrees with him, on this board and elsewhere is in denial. How he can go on tv and blatantly lie like that, minimizing the doping of other riders is a complete disgrace. Its just as much of a lie as Lance was telling all those years.

Those in charge never get punished. Thats just how it always goes. The smaller fish get the lash, and those who pulled the strings, who lied, covered up, bribed, cheated and defamed and ruined the sport continue to have a job.

How anyone on this board or elsewhere could not be up in arms that USADA and UCI currently employs and pays officials who covered up and lied about the doping of not just lance but of hundreds of other riders for over a decade, its complete ignorance

You are in denial.

Why would anyone not want to clean up cycling? Anyone who thinks throwing the book at lance is going to change one iota of the doping in cycling is stark raving mad.

I want cycling cleaned up. Im not interested in crucifying one man.