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    redrock wrote:
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    Indeed, that's what logic would tell you.
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    Logic... thought processes... facts... those are the paths that lead to truth.
    No matter how much a person believes they can fly... in an afterlife... in a religion... it does not mean it is true... until all the facts are in.
    The only way to discover if there is an afterlife or not is to leave this life. There are two answers:
    1. Yes. There is an afterlife... or...
    2. No. there is not an afterlife.
    The living will never be able to answer this question with truth on their side because no one has ever completely died... then, return to tell us what is on the other side.
    All we are left with is belief founded upon emotion, not knowledge or truth.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
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    keeponrockin wrote:
    So truth is in the individual, regardless of what those outside them think, correct?
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    Belief is in the individual.
    Dueling armies will both go onto the battlefiled BELIEVING God is on their side in order to make THEIR side the side that is supported by Divine Providence.
    That is not truth.
    The Absolute truth may be that God is on neither side of war and it is all Man's doing... which is what i believe. And i admit, i may be wrong in my belief.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
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    Cosmo wrote:
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    Logic... thought processes... facts... those are the paths that lead to truth.
    No matter how much a person believes they can fly... in an afterlife... in a religion... it does not mean it is true... until all the facts are in.
    The only way to discover if there is an afterlife or not is to leave this life. There are two answers:
    1. Yes. There is an afterlife... or...
    2. No. there is not an afterlife.
    The living will never be able to answer this question with truth on their side because no one has ever completely died... then, return to tell us what is on the other side.
    All we are left with is belief founded upon emotion, not knowledge or truth.
    Actually untrue again,
    you have not experienced what others have so how could you possibly know another's truth?
    Your mind has created walls to not allow you take the leap perhaps.
    There is phenomenon you are missing out on with this mindset. If you are indeed a truth seeker
    you can not have walls. And thats the truth ;)
  • Posts: 12,225
    pandora wrote:
    So in our own common sense we find truth, and our common sense
    is molded by experience and life's lessons. It is also based somewhat in heart
    and personality. My common sense comes from a positive place in most cases
    while others might be cynical. My heart rules with feeling while others stay in logic.
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    So... are you telling us that you don't use your brain?
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
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    Cosmo wrote:
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    So... are you telling us that you don't use your brain?
    I use it as much as my heart ...

    Do you wish you could say you use your heart as much as your brain?
    this is really the key to finding what you say you seek.
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    pandora wrote:
    Actually untrue again,
    you have not experienced what others have so how could you possibly know another's truth?
    Your mind has created walls to not allow you take the leap perhaps.
    There is phenomenon you are missing out on with this mindset. If you are indeed a truth seeker
    you can not have walls. And thats the truth ;)
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    Facts. Facts define truth.
    Name one person... that dies... meaning dead as a doornail dead... no near-death experiences of clinically dead... but, dead dead... Brain function flat... heart stopped... breathing stopped... blood flow stopped... rolled into the morgue and left there for 3 days dead... that has come back to reveal the truth to us about the other side.
    If so... What did this person reveal?
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
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    The Truth is none of you even exist, you're all figments of my imagination.
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    edited November 2012
    BinauralJam wrote:
    The Truth is none of you even exist, you're all figments of my imagination.
    ...
    You must obviously be on drugs to conjure up such a lot.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
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    Cosmo wrote:
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    Belief is in the individual.
    Dueling armies will both go onto the battlefiled BELIEVING God is on their side in order to make THEIR side the side that is supported by Divine Providence.
    That is not truth.
    The Absolute truth may be that God is on neither side of war and it is all Man's doing... which is what i believe. And i admit, i may be wrong in my belief.
    I agree with you, I'm just trying to understand Pandora.
    Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
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    keeponrockin wrote:
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    I agree with you, I'm just trying to understand Pandora.
    ...
    Based upon what I have read... you apparently need to quit using your brain in order to do so.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • Posts: 21,855
    edited November 2012
    keeponrockin wrote:
    I agree with you, I'm just trying to understand Pandora.
    thats all we can ever ask for or want ... understanding
    thank you
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  • Posts: 21,855
    BinauralJam wrote:
    The Truth is none of you even exist, you're all figments of my imagination.
    actually this might be closer to the truth than we know ..
    most especially in our subconscious
  • Posts: 21,855
    Cosmo wrote:
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    Facts. Facts define truth.
    Name one person... that dies... meaning dead as a doornail dead... no near-death experiences of clinically dead... but, dead dead... Brain function flat... heart stopped... breathing stopped... blood flow stopped... rolled into the morgue and left there for 3 days dead... that has come back to reveal the truth to us about the other side.
    If so... What did this person reveal?
    You are looking for facts and proof to the afterlife? or are you looking to know God?
    or both?
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    pandora wrote:
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    You are looking for facts and proof to the afterlife? or are you looking to know God?
    or both?
    ...
    You are the one that commented on the following being untrue:
    Question: Is there an afterlife? There are 2 possible answers:
    1. Yes. There is an afterlife... or...
    2. No. there is not an afterlife.
    The living will never be able to answer this question with truth on their side because no one has ever completely died... then, return to tell us what is on the other side.
    All we are left with is belief founded upon emotion, not knowledge or truth.
    So... if this is untrue... what is true?
    Who has come back from the dead (NOT near death/clinically dead, but DEAD dead) and what did they reveal?
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • Posts: 18,341
    Cosmo wrote:
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    Facts. Facts define truth.

    Truth is an abstract concept which could be explored/investigated forever and a day. Though if I recall correctly from my days of philosophical study, the various theories do have fact as a basis for truth (except relativism I think). Some 'truths' being more factual than others.

    Critical thinking, research, investigation lead to 'truth'. Belief is not truth but as the word says 'belief', though one may believe (that word again) it is so and make such claim.

    Whilst I played devil's advocate regarding the guy who believed he can fly, it is a good example of this.

    We all have our own 'truths' - but a 'universal' truth? Nope. We, as it stands now, do not know EVERYTHING. Once ALL mankind become omniscient, then we can claim to KNOW THE TRUTH. But what are the odds of that then? ;)
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    redrock wrote:
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    Truth is an abstract concept which could be explored/investigated forever and a day. Though if I recall correctly from my days of philosophical study, the various theories do have fact as a basis for truth (except relativism I think). Some 'truths' being more factual than others.
    Critical thinking, research, investigation lead to 'truth'. Belief is not truth but as the word says 'belief', though one may believe (that word again) it is so and make such claim.
    Whilst I played devil's advocate regarding the guy who believed he can fly, it is a good example of this.
    We all have our own 'truths' - but a 'universal' truth? Nope. We, as it stands now, do not know EVERYTHING. Once ALL mankind become omniscient, then we can claim to KNOW THE TRUTH. But what are the odds of that then? ;)
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    Yes.. but, truths DO exist. The equation, 1 + 1 = 2, for example is an undeniable truth.
    So it the fact that death is at the end of every life. Not talking about hypothetical after lives, life as we know in here on this planet at this time in its existance.
    If those truths exist... then, so do other truths... such as the question, 'Does God Exist?' Yes or No. One of those reponses is true... but, which one?
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • Posts: 21,855
    Cosmo wrote:
    show previous quotes
    ...
    You are the one that commented on the following being untrue:
    Question: Is there an afterlife? There are 2 possible answers:
    1. Yes. There is an afterlife... or...
    2. No. there is not an afterlife.
    The living will never be able to answer this question with truth on their side because no one has ever completely died... then, return to tell us what is on the other side.
    All we are left with is belief founded upon emotion, not knowledge or truth.
    So... if this is untrue... what is true?
    Who has come back from the dead (NOT near death/clinically dead, but DEAD dead) and what did they reveal?
    pandora wrote:
    Actually untrue again,
    you have not experienced what others have so how could you possibly know another's truth?
    Your mind has created walls to not allow you take the leap perhaps.
    There is phenomenon you are missing out on with this mindset. If you are indeed a truth seeker
    you can not have walls. And thats the truth ;)

    Your walls are showing again ;)

    I speak of individual life experiences that bring each their truth.

    You say someone's truth is not truth unless it is fact. This is untrue.

    Are you a truth seeker or a fact seeker? I have a feeling it is the latter.
    It is known not all facts are proven trustworthy and some are downright disproven over time
    what then?
    Yet when one lives an experience from there comes truth.
    Truth seekers are willing to live an experience and the truth is theirs alone.

    Again do you want proof to the afterlife? or do you want to experience it?

    Is is not in dying that we experience the afterlife it is in the proof we can live here.
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    Also, there is truth in just about everything... a murder case, for example. A dead body is found with a fatal gunshot wound. There is a truth to what happened. The dead person was a witness, but cannot tell us the truth. We have to rely on factual evidence that will direct us to the person or persons responsible... by investigation, fact finding, factual data, etc... We can, but don't always, come to the truth. That is because of the limits of facts and truths.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • Posts: 18,341
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    Yes.. but, truths DO exist. The equation, 1 + 1 = 2, for example is an undeniable truth.
    So it the fact that death is at the end of every life. Not talking about hypothetical after lives, life as we know in here on this planet at this time in tis existance.
    If those truths exist... then, so do other truths... such as the question, 'Does God Exist?' Yes or No. One of those reponses is true... but, which one?

    I guess in a way, absolute truths (as opposed to relative), by removing any subjective element, have been agreed upon within a certain context. These truths can be demonstrated to be valid time and time again (again within the context and our knowledge). So yes, they exist.

    Even certain things that can be measured/demonstrated have too many subjective elements to it to be able to have it as 'truth'. Very basic example is pain. Pain is truth - no doubt - measurable/demonstrable. I tell someone that getting a tattoo doesn't hurt. I been though it several times, no pain - my truth. That person gets a tattoo - same tattoo, same area of the body, same tattoo artist - it hurts like hell - pain. Their truth. Even something demonstrable becomes relative and an 'individual truth'.
  • Posts: 12,225
    edited November 2012
    pandora wrote:
    Your walls are showing again ;)
    I speak of individual life experiences that bring each their truth.
    You say someone's truth is not truth unless it is fact. This is untrue.
    Are you a truth seeker or a fact seeker? I have a feeling it is the latter.
    It is known not all facts are proven trustworthy and some are downright disproven over time
    what then?
    Yet when one lives an experience from there comes truth.
    Truth seekers are willing to live an experience and the truth is theirs alone.
    Again do you want proof to the afterlife? or do you want to experience it?
    Is is not in dying that we experience the afterlife it is in the proof we can live here.
    ...
    Again.. RELATIVE Truths... not ABSOLUTE Truths.
    Your life experiences are relative to you... not to me or anyone else. What you believe to be true... isn't always the truth, even though you really, REALLY believe it is true.
    And yes... i am looking for the truth... not your truth... THE truth.
    And a known truth to me, based upon the factual data you have provided in your many, many post on the subject... sorry, but I'm am not going to find any truths from you. Lots of truthiness (yes, it's a real word, look it up)... but, no truths.
    Post edited by Cosmo on
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!

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