Truth...

JonnyPistachio

Cosmo wrote:

An exercise in logic:
We've all heard the story of the 'Lady or the Lion', right?
if not...
You are trapped in a room.
There are 2 identical looking doors.
Behind one door is a beautiful woman (or man, your preference).
Behind the other is a ferocious, hungry lion that sees you a a chili burger.
Guarding each door is an armed guard.
One guard always tells the truth.
The other guard always lies.
You have no idea which guard is which.
You may ask one guard one question.
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How do you get the lady and not end up Meow-mix?
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There is a logical answer that will lead you to the correct door... no matter what.
Hint: It uses a double negative.
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Also.. think about it and give it a shot before you Google the answer.
No one ever gets it... I got this thing decades ago and had to have it explained to me because I couldn't figure it out.

This is going to drive me completely nuts, and that's the truth. It will be my lunch time brain activity.

redrock

OK.. I think I remember this one.

Ask man in front of 'Hunk of a man' door - 'If I asked the other guard, would he say he has the hunk behind his door?

Then choose the opposite.

So, say you asked Hunk door and this has the liar - his response would be yes (because liar guard knows he has the hunk so he lies about truth guard's response)
If it were truth guard, his response would be yes as well (because he knows liar guard has the hunk but he is truthful about liar's intentions).

I'm pretty damned sure it's right (did see Labyrinth!) but can't explain it on a post - it's fine in my head!

brianlux

redrock wrote:

OK.. I think I remember this one.

Ask man in front of 'Hunk of a man' door - 'If I asked the other guard, would he say he has the hunk behind his door?

Then choose the opposite.

So, say you asked Hunk door and this has the liar - his response would be yes (because liar guard knows he has the hunk so he lies about truth guard's response)
If it were truth guard, his response would be yes as well (because he knows liar guard has the hunk but he is truthful about liar's intentions).

I'm pretty damned sure it's right (did see Labyrinth!) but can't explain it on a post - it's fine in my head!

I'm always amazed by people who can think this well in their head about abstract thoughts. I'm more of a "thinking in pictures" kind of person so thank you for sparing me hours of tortuous thinking!

But then I also have to ask... is it true?

redrock

brianlux wrote:

redrock wrote:

OK.. I think I remember this one.

Ask man in front of 'Hunk of a man' door - 'If I asked the other guard, would he say he has the hunk behind his door?

Then choose the opposite.

So, say you asked Hunk door and this has the liar - his response would be yes (because liar guard knows he has the hunk so he lies about truth guard's response)
If it were truth guard, his response would be yes as well (because he knows liar guard has the hunk but he is truthful about liar's intentions).

I'm pretty damned sure it's right (did see Labyrinth!) but can't explain it on a post - it's fine in my head!

I'm always amazed by people who can think this well in their head about abstract thoughts. I'm more of a "thinking in pictures" kind of person so thank you for sparing me hours of tortuous thinking!

But then I also have to ask... is it true?

It is!!!! Try it out - shut your eyes and visualise the doors and the guards (and the pretty lady behind the door if it helps)
Though I think there are several solutions to this riddle.


Hopefully no one will disprove me... :oops:

DriftingByTheStorm

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

An exercise in logic:
We've all heard the story of the 'Lady or the Lion', right?
if not...
You are trapped in a room.
There are 2 identical looking doors.
Behind one door is a beautiful woman (or man, your preference).
Behind the other is a ferocious, hungry lion that sees you a a chili burger.
Guarding each door is an armed guard.
One guard always tells the truth.
The other guard always lies.
You have no idea which guard is which.
You may ask one guard one question.
...
How do you get the lady and not end up Meow-mix?
...
There is a logical answer that will lead you to the correct door... no matter what.
Hint: It uses a double negative.
...
Also.. think about it and give it a shot before you Google the answer.
No one ever gets it... I got this thing decades ago and had to have it explained to me because I couldn't figure it out.

This is going to drive me completely nuts, and that's the truth. It will be my lunch time brain activity.

Isn't this from Labyrinth???

pandora

Cosmo wrote:

pandora wrote:

Your walls are showing again
I speak of individual life experiences that bring each their truth.
You say someone's truth is not truth unless it is fact. This is untrue.
Are you a truth seeker or a fact seeker? I have a feeling it is the latter.
It is known not all facts are proven trustworthy and some are downright disproven over time
what then?
Yet when one lives an experience from there comes truth.
Truth seekers are willing to live an experience and the truth is theirs alone.
Again do you want proof to the afterlife? or do you want to experience it?
Is is not in dying that we experience the afterlife it is in the proof we can live here.

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Again.. RELATIVE Truths... not ABSOLUTE Truths.
Your life experiences are relative to you... not to me or anyone else. What you believe to be true... isn't always the truth, even though you really, REALLY believe it is true.
And yes... i am looking for the truth... not your truth... THE truth.
And a known truth to me, based upon the factual data you have provided in your many, many post on the subject... sorry, but I'm am not going to find any truths from you. Lots of truthiness (yes, it's a real word, look it up)... but, no truths.

Will you recognize THE truth?

Cosmo

pandora wrote:

Will you recognize THE truth?

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Put it this way...
I have had more than my share of bullshit toss in my way, so I'm REALLY good at spotting bullshit when I smell it. So, when someone tries to sell me their relative truth as absolute... I call bullshit.

pandora

Cosmo wrote:

pandora wrote:

Will you recognize THE truth?

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Put it this way...
I have had more than my share of bullshit toss in my way, so I'm REALLY good at spotting bullshit when I smell it. So, when someone tries to sell me their relative truth as absolute... I call bullshit.

I thought most here including me said truth is relative.

But you know if one remains cynical and skeptical it's pretty hard to recognize
THE truth when it finds it's way to you.
Perhaps it already has and you have dismissed it as bullshit ... too bad for THE truth
don't fret it will be around again.

Cosmo

pandora wrote:

I thought most here including me said truth is relative.

But you know if one remains cynical and skeptical it's pretty hard to recognize
THE truth when it finds it's way to you.
Perhaps it already has and you have dismissed it as bullshit ... too bad for THE truth
don't fret it will be around again.

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No. Re-read it... people are saying that some truths are relative and acknowledge that absolute truths exist.
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Just because a child, for example, really believes the lies of the parent that Santa Claus exists... doesn't mean Santa Claus truely exists, right? The child's relative truth is not the absolute truth because it is relative to the individual child, not to the world of reality.
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And trust me... i'll know the truth when I find it... it will be the one that does not reek of bullshit.

Cosmo

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

An exercise in logic:
We've all heard the story of the 'Lady or the Lion', right?
if not...
You are trapped in a room.
There are 2 identical looking doors.
Behind one door is a beautiful woman (or man, your preference).
Behind the other is a ferocious, hungry lion that sees you a a chili burger.
Guarding each door is an armed guard.
One guard always tells the truth.
The other guard always lies.
You have no idea which guard is which.
You may ask one guard one question.
...
How do you get the lady and not end up Meow-mix?
...
There is a logical answer that will lead you to the correct door... no matter what.
Hint: It uses a double negative.
...
Also.. think about it and give it a shot before you Google the answer.
No one ever gets it... I got this thing decades ago and had to have it explained to me because I couldn't figure it out.

Isn't this from Labyrinth???

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I think it's an old parable based in Philosophy and math to help explain logic and develop critical thought.

redrock

Cosmo wrote:

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Isn't this from Labyrinth???

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I think it's an old parable based in Philosophy and math to help explain logic and develop critical thought.

It is an ancient riddle, seen under many guises. But I must admit, I do remember it from Labyrinth as well... :oops:

Cosmo

redrock wrote:

OK.. I think I remember this one.

Ask man in front of 'Hunk of a man' door - 'If I asked the other guard, would he say he has the hunk behind his door?

Then choose the opposite.

So, say you asked Hunk door and this has the liar - his response would be yes (because liar guard knows he has the hunk so he lies about truth guard's response)
If it were truth guard, his response would be yes as well (because he knows liar guard has the hunk but he is truthful about liar's intentions).

I'm pretty damned sure it's right (did see Labyrinth!) but can't explain it on a post - it's fine in my head!

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Yup. The question being, "Is the other guard going to say the 'Lady' in behind that door (pointing to either door)?"
Since the Liar is always the negative and the Truth Teller is always positive... and label the 'No' answer as a negative (-), the 'Yes' answer as a positive (+). When you get a + and a minus combination, it is negative, thus, false. The answer that results in either 2 negatives or 2 positives are true.
Basically it is the principle that:
2 x 2 = 4
-2 x -2 = 4
-2 x 2 = -4
2 x -2 = -4

redrock

And that, Cosmo, can be considered an absolute truth.

Cosmo

redrock wrote:

And that, Cosmo, can be considered an absolute truth.

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Yeah.. I had to have that explained to me because I tried figuring it out. It was in an algebra class when we were working on logic or something and the instructor was trying to get us to label the plus and minus to things to figure out the logic employed.
And it was alot of fun trying to figure it out and a nice break from all that other equation junk.

Cosmo

brianlux wrote:

From "truth" to "math" to... "Obama"?

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Yes... it is from that equation:
3(76x - 5xy + 17y) / 2x(-37y) = Obama is Hitler

redrock

I see you were really paying attention in your algebra classes!!!

pandora

Cosmo wrote:

pandora wrote:

I thought most here including me said truth is relative.

But you know if one remains cynical and skeptical it's pretty hard to recognize
THE truth when it finds it's way to you.
Perhaps it already has and you have dismissed it as bullshit ... too bad for THE truth
don't fret it will be around again.

...
No. Re-read it... people are saying that some truths are relative and acknowledge that absolute truths exist.
...
Just because a child, for example, really believes the lies of the parent that Santa Claus exists... doesn't mean Santa Claus truely exists, right? The child's relative truth is not the absolute truth because it is relative to the individual child, not to the world of reality.
...
And trust me... i'll know the truth when I find it... it will be the one that does not reek of bullshit.

I was speaking of THE truth ...
what you seem to forever be pursuing without luck. Many threads of your search.
Many circles back to if you don't know then no one can, which of course is ridiculous.
I presume there are many things you do not know or have not experienced.
Why you are searching.

So you feel THE truth is only found in what you perceive as reality?
That might be a problem for you in the future.

hedonist

So much for "the truth shall set you free" :P

Cosmo

pandora wrote:

I was speaking of THE truth ...
what you seem to forever be pursuing without luck. Many threads of your search.
Many circles back to if you don't know then no one can, which of course is ridiculous.
I presume there are many things you do not know or have not experienced.
Why you are searching.

So you feel THE truth is only found in what you perceive as reality?
That might be a problem for you in the future.

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Why is my pursuit any concern of yours?

Cosmo

hedonist wrote:

So much for "the truth shall set you free" :P

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I believe that to be true.
Sometimes, the truth isn't the rosey way we want things to be. It is often times, cold, hard and ugly. Like the little kid learning the truth that his parents have been lying to him all of his life and that Santa Claus does not exist. But, we do find beauty in those things because they are truths.