Truth...

Cosmo

redrock wrote:

I guess in a way, absolute truths (as opposed to relative), by removing any subjective element, have been agreed upon within a certain context. These truths can be demonstrated to be valid time and time again (again within the context and our knowledge). So yes, they exist.

Even certain things that can be measured/demonstrated have too many subjective elements to it to be able to have it as 'truth'. Very basic example is pain. Pain is truth - no doubt - measurable/demonstrable. I tell someone that getting a tattoo doesn't hurt. I been though it several times, no pain - my truth. That person gets a tattoo - same tattoo, same area of the body, same tattoo artist - it hurts like hell - pain. Their truth. Even something demonstrable becomes relative and an 'individual truth'.

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Yes. Truths are relative... like my original example of the setting Sun, it is based upon perception by the individual.
As for tattoos... the truth is tattooing is a process in which the skin in broken by a needle in order to insert tincture beneath the surface. The pain threshold is based purely on the individual. Me, for example, I'm a total wuss when it comes to needles and shit.... which explains my lack of tattoos.

redrock

Cosmo wrote:

And yes... i am looking for the truth... not your truth... THE truth..

Do you think that we, as 'ignorant' human beings, can find THE truth? I think it is a lifelong quest.

redrock

Cosmo wrote:

The pain threshold is based purely on the individual.

Exactly - thus pain, whilst demonstrable is not absolute but relative.

Cosmo

redrock wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

And yes... i am looking for the truth... not your truth... THE truth..

Do you think that we, as 'ignorant' human beings, can find THE truth? I think it is a lifelong quest.

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I believe we CAN. We just have to sort through the tons and tons of bullshit that is thrown into our paths to find it.
It has been mentioned that I am 'building walls'... which is true... i build walls to keep out the same old bullshit I've been hearing from different people my entire life. The walls are not there restricting my freedom of passionate thought or emotion... they are there to keep the same old, same old bullshit I've heard a million times before from getting in my way.

BinauralJam

Cosmo wrote:

BinauralJam wrote:

The Truth is none of you even exist, you're all figments of my imagination.

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You must obviously be on drugs to conjure up such a lot.

Not until tonight, just hi on Life :x

Cosmo

An exercise in logic:
We've all heard the story of the 'Lady or the Lion', right?
if not...
You are trapped in a room.
There are 2 identical looking doors.
Behind one door is a beautiful woman (or man, your preference).
Behind the other is a ferocious, hungry lion that sees you a a chili burger.
Guarding each door is an armed guard.
One guard always tells the truth.
The other guard always lies.
You have no idea which guard is which.
You may ask one guard one question.
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How do you get the lady and not end up Meow-mix?
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There is a logical answer that will lead you to the correct door... no matter what.
Hint: It uses a double negative.
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Also.. think about it and give it a shot before you Google the answer.
No one ever gets it... I got this thing decades ago and had to have it explained to me because I couldn't figure it out.

Cosmo

BinauralJam wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

BinauralJam wrote:

The Truth is none of you even exist, you're all figments of my imagination.

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You must obviously be on drugs to conjure up such a lot.

Not until tonight, just hi on Life :x

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That's one vivid imagination... to create such a cast of characters.

BinauralJam

Cosmo wrote:

That's one vivid imagination... to create such a cast of characters.

it would have to be

mickeyrat

BinauralJam wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

That's one vivid imagination... to create such a cast of characters.

it would have to be

eh, flashbacks can do strange things to the human mind.

Jason P

The Truth is Paul Pierce.

thread over

Cosmo

Jason P wrote:

The Truth is Paul Pierce.

thread over

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You mean, Paul (The Scooter Store Guy) Pierce?

aerial

I see now how words and their meanings have become so distorted. How can there even be 5 pages on one word? Truth, what does it mean? It was to long and I don't have the time to read all of the post. I was wondering did anyone agree on the meaning?
Anyone have kids? When you ask your child a question you want he/she to tell you the truth. That is what truth is. :P

catefrances

redrock wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

And yes... i am looking for the truth... not your truth... THE truth..

Do you think that we, as 'ignorant' human beings, can find THE truth? I think it is a lifelong quest.

why do we as humans even think there is there is an absolute truth? being egocentric as we are, why cant it be simpy accepted that all truths are relative and subject to change? and therefore there is no such thing as absolute truth or 'the' truth.

Cosmo

aerial wrote:

I see now how words and their meanings have become so distorted. How can there even be 5 pages on one word? Truth, what does it mean? It was to long and I don't have the time to read all of the post. I was wondering did anyone agree on the meaning?
Anyone have kids? When you ask your child a question you want he/she to tell you the truth. That is what truth is. :P

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Please, don't take this the wrong way... but, the truth is... I expected the exact response from you.
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P.S. Have you ever lied to your kids? Have your kids ever lied to you?
If you have never lied and you kids have never lied... then you don't need to worry.

Cosmo

catefrances wrote:

redrock wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

And yes... i am looking for the truth... not your truth... THE truth..

Do you think that we, as 'ignorant' human beings, can find THE truth? I think it is a lifelong quest.

why do we as humans even think there is there is an absolute truth? being egocentric as we are, why cant it be simpy accepted that all truths are relative and subject to change? and therefore there is no such thing as absolute truth or 'the' truth.

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Because we KNOW of certain absolute truths... such as, 'We are going to die someday'.
That is an absolute and there is no counter arguement to that. We are not all going to die on the same day... but, eventually, we will all become dead. We can argue about the date or the method of our deaths... but, we cannot, as living human beings, escape the fact that we are mortal.
If we know certain absolutes exist, then, the possibility of other absolutes exist... right?

dancepartner

yes cosmo -- there are opposites.
For me -- absolute truth hits you just once and while. If yer lucky -- more. That's the place I want to get to.

catefrances

dancepartner wrote:

yes cosmo -- there are opposites.
For me -- absolute truth hits you just once and while. If yer lucky -- more. That's the place I want to get to.

and what in your opinion are these absolute truths that hit once in a while?

fear4freedom

Math is truth, spending is Math, tell that to Obama! If Obama says something....it absolutely true that he said it! Whether you believe that he said it or not, is what you CHOOSE to believe. Your choice does not change the fact that he said it! The media's choice to report it, twist it, change it, use it, abuse it is their CHOICE and does not change the fact that Obama said it! TRUTH is all around us.....but we fail at grabbing it!

brianlux

fear4freedom wrote:

Math is truth, spending is Math, tell that to Obama! If Obama says something....it absolutely true that he said it! Whether you believe that he said it or not, is what you CHOOSE to believe. Your choice does not change the fact that he said it! The media's choice to report it, twist it, change it, use it, abuse it is their CHOICE and does not change the fact that Obama said it! TRUTH is all around us.....but we fail at grabbing it!

From "truth" to "math" to... "Obama"?

redrock

brianlux wrote:

From "truth" to "math" to... "Obama"?

:shock: