I guess in a way, absolute truths (as opposed to relative), by removing any subjective element, have been agreed upon within a certain context. These truths can be demonstrated to be valid time and time again (again within the context and our knowledge). So yes, they exist.
Even certain things that can be measured/demonstrated have too many subjective elements to it to be able to have it as 'truth'. Very basic example is pain. Pain is truth - no doubt - measurable/demonstrable. I tell someone that getting a tattoo doesn't hurt. I been though it several times, no pain - my truth. That person gets a tattoo - same tattoo, same area of the body, same tattoo artist - it hurts like hell - pain. Their truth. Even something demonstrable becomes relative and an 'individual truth'.
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Yes. Truths are relative... like my original example of the setting Sun, it is based upon perception by the individual.
As for tattoos... the truth is tattooing is a process in which the skin in broken by a needle in order to insert tincture beneath the surface. The pain threshold is based purely on the individual. Me, for example, I'm a total wuss when it comes to needles and shit.... which explains my lack of tattoos.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
And yes... i am looking for the truth... not your truth... THE truth..
Do you think that we, as 'ignorant' human beings, can find THE truth? I think it is a lifelong quest.
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I believe we CAN. We just have to sort through the tons and tons of bullshit that is thrown into our paths to find it.
It has been mentioned that I am 'building walls'... which is true... i build walls to keep out the same old bullshit I've been hearing from different people my entire life. The walls are not there restricting my freedom of passionate thought or emotion... they are there to keep the same old, same old bullshit I've heard a million times before from getting in my way.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
An exercise in logic:
We've all heard the story of the 'Lady or the Lion', right?
if not...
You are trapped in a room.
There are 2 identical looking doors.
Behind one door is a beautiful woman (or man, your preference).
Behind the other is a ferocious, hungry lion that sees you a a chili burger.
Guarding each door is an armed guard.
One guard always tells the truth.
The other guard always lies.
You have no idea which guard is which.
You may ask one guard one question.
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How do you get the lady and not end up Meow-mix?
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There is a logical answer that will lead you to the correct door... no matter what.
Hint: It uses a double negative.
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Also.. think about it and give it a shot before you Google the answer.
No one ever gets it... I got this thing decades ago and had to have it explained to me because I couldn't figure it out.
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Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I see now how words and their meanings have become so distorted. How can there even be 5 pages on one word? Truth, what does it mean? It was to long and I don't have the time to read all of the post. I was wondering did anyone agree on the meaning?
Anyone have kids? When you ask your child a question you want he/she to tell you the truth. That is what truth is. :P
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
And yes... i am looking for the truth... not your truth... THE truth..
Do you think that we, as 'ignorant' human beings, can find THE truth? I think it is a lifelong quest.
why do we as humans even think there is there is an absolute truth? being egocentric as we are, why cant it be simpy accepted that all truths are relative and subject to change? and therefore there is no such thing as absolute truth or 'the' truth.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
I see now how words and their meanings have become so distorted. How can there even be 5 pages on one word? Truth, what does it mean? It was to long and I don't have the time to read all of the post. I was wondering did anyone agree on the meaning?
Anyone have kids? When you ask your child a question you want he/she to tell you the truth. That is what truth is. :P
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Please, don't take this the wrong way... but, the truth is... I expected the exact response from you.
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P.S. Have you ever lied to your kids? Have your kids ever lied to you?
If you have never lied and you kids have never lied... then you don't need to worry.
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Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
And yes... i am looking for the truth... not your truth... THE truth..
Do you think that we, as 'ignorant' human beings, can find THE truth? I think it is a lifelong quest.
why do we as humans even think there is there is an absolute truth? being egocentric as we are, why cant it be simpy accepted that all truths are relative and subject to change? and therefore there is no such thing as absolute truth or 'the' truth.
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Because we KNOW of certain absolute truths... such as, 'We are going to die someday'.
That is an absolute and there is no counter arguement to that. We are not all going to die on the same day... but, eventually, we will all become dead. We can argue about the date or the method of our deaths... but, we cannot, as living human beings, escape the fact that we are mortal.
If we know certain absolutes exist, then, the possibility of other absolutes exist... right?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Math is truth, spending is Math, tell that to Obama! If Obama says something....it absolutely true that he said it! Whether you believe that he said it or not, is what you CHOOSE to believe. Your choice does not change the fact that he said it! The media's choice to report it, twist it, change it, use it, abuse it is their CHOICE and does not change the fact that Obama said it! TRUTH is all around us.....but we fail at grabbing it!
Theres no time like the present
A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!
All people need to do more on every level!
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Math is truth, spending is Math, tell that to Obama! If Obama says something....it absolutely true that he said it! Whether you believe that he said it or not, is what you CHOOSE to believe. Your choice does not change the fact that he said it! The media's choice to report it, twist it, change it, use it, abuse it is their CHOICE and does not change the fact that Obama said it! TRUTH is all around us.....but we fail at grabbing it!
From "truth" to "math" to... "Obama"?
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
An exercise in logic:
We've all heard the story of the 'Lady or the Lion', right?
if not...
You are trapped in a room.
There are 2 identical looking doors.
Behind one door is a beautiful woman (or man, your preference).
Behind the other is a ferocious, hungry lion that sees you a a chili burger.
Guarding each door is an armed guard.
One guard always tells the truth.
The other guard always lies.
You have no idea which guard is which.
You may ask one guard one question.
...
How do you get the lady and not end up Meow-mix?
...
There is a logical answer that will lead you to the correct door... no matter what.
Hint: It uses a double negative.
...
Also.. think about it and give it a shot before you Google the answer.
No one ever gets it... I got this thing decades ago and had to have it explained to me because I couldn't figure it out.
This is going to drive me completely nuts, and that's the truth. It will be my lunch time brain activity.
Ask man in front of 'Hunk of a man' door - 'If I asked the other guard, would he say he has the hunk behind his door?
Then choose the opposite.
So, say you asked Hunk door and this has the liar - his response would be yes (because liar guard knows he has the hunk so he lies about truth guard's response)
If it were truth guard, his response would be yes as well (because he knows liar guard has the hunk but he is truthful about liar's intentions).
I'm pretty damned sure it's right (did see Labyrinth!) but can't explain it on a post - it's fine in my head!
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Ask man in front of 'Hunk of a man' door - 'If I asked the other guard, would he say he has the hunk behind his door?
Then choose the opposite.
So, say you asked Hunk door and this has the liar - his response would be yes (because liar guard knows he has the hunk so he lies about truth guard's response)
If it were truth guard, his response would be yes as well (because he knows liar guard has the hunk but he is truthful about liar's intentions).
I'm pretty damned sure it's right (did see Labyrinth!) but can't explain it on a post - it's fine in my head!
I'm always amazed by people who can think this well in their head about abstract thoughts. I'm more of a "thinking in pictures" kind of person so thank you for sparing me hours of tortuous thinking!
But then I also have to ask... is it true?
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
Ask man in front of 'Hunk of a man' door - 'If I asked the other guard, would he say he has the hunk behind his door?
Then choose the opposite.
So, say you asked Hunk door and this has the liar - his response would be yes (because liar guard knows he has the hunk so he lies about truth guard's response)
If it were truth guard, his response would be yes as well (because he knows liar guard has the hunk but he is truthful about liar's intentions).
I'm pretty damned sure it's right (did see Labyrinth!) but can't explain it on a post - it's fine in my head!
I'm always amazed by people who can think this well in their head about abstract thoughts. I'm more of a "thinking in pictures" kind of person so thank you for sparing me hours of tortuous thinking!
But then I also have to ask... is it true?
It is!!!! Try it out - shut your eyes and visualise the doors and the guards (and the pretty lady behind the door if it helps)
Though I think there are several solutions to this riddle.
An exercise in logic:
We've all heard the story of the 'Lady or the Lion', right?
if not...
You are trapped in a room.
There are 2 identical looking doors.
Behind one door is a beautiful woman (or man, your preference).
Behind the other is a ferocious, hungry lion that sees you a a chili burger.
Guarding each door is an armed guard.
One guard always tells the truth.
The other guard always lies.
You have no idea which guard is which.
You may ask one guard one question.
...
How do you get the lady and not end up Meow-mix?
...
There is a logical answer that will lead you to the correct door... no matter what.
Hint: It uses a double negative.
...
Also.. think about it and give it a shot before you Google the answer.
No one ever gets it... I got this thing decades ago and had to have it explained to me because I couldn't figure it out.
This is going to drive me completely nuts, and that's the truth. It will be my lunch time brain activity.
Your walls are showing again
I speak of individual life experiences that bring each their truth.
You say someone's truth is not truth unless it is fact. This is untrue.
Are you a truth seeker or a fact seeker? I have a feeling it is the latter.
It is known not all facts are proven trustworthy and some are downright disproven over time
what then?
Yet when one lives an experience from there comes truth.
Truth seekers are willing to live an experience and the truth is theirs alone.
Again do you want proof to the afterlife? or do you want to experience it?
Is is not in dying that we experience the afterlife it is in the proof we can live here.
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Again.. RELATIVE Truths... not ABSOLUTE Truths.
Your life experiences are relative to you... not to me or anyone else. What you believe to be true... isn't always the truth, even though you really, REALLY believe it is true.
And yes... i am looking for the truth... not your truth... THE truth.
And a known truth to me, based upon the factual data you have provided in your many, many post on the subject... sorry, but I'm am not going to find any truths from you. Lots of truthiness (yes, it's a real word, look it up)... but, no truths.
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Put it this way...
I have had more than my share of bullshit toss in my way, so I'm REALLY good at spotting bullshit when I smell it. So, when someone tries to sell me their relative truth as absolute... I call bullshit.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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Put it this way...
I have had more than my share of bullshit toss in my way, so I'm REALLY good at spotting bullshit when I smell it. So, when someone tries to sell me their relative truth as absolute... I call bullshit.
I thought most here including me said truth is relative.
But you know if one remains cynical and skeptical it's pretty hard to recognize
THE truth when it finds it's way to you.
Perhaps it already has and you have dismissed it as bullshit ... too bad for THE truth
don't fret it will be around again.
I thought most here including me said truth is relative.
But you know if one remains cynical and skeptical it's pretty hard to recognize
THE truth when it finds it's way to you.
Perhaps it already has and you have dismissed it as bullshit ... too bad for THE truth
don't fret it will be around again.
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No. Re-read it... people are saying that some truths are relative and acknowledge that absolute truths exist.
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Just because a child, for example, really believes the lies of the parent that Santa Claus exists... doesn't mean Santa Claus truely exists, right? The child's relative truth is not the absolute truth because it is relative to the individual child, not to the world of reality.
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And trust me... i'll know the truth when I find it... it will be the one that does not reek of bullshit.
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Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
An exercise in logic:
We've all heard the story of the 'Lady or the Lion', right?
if not...
You are trapped in a room.
There are 2 identical looking doors.
Behind one door is a beautiful woman (or man, your preference).
Behind the other is a ferocious, hungry lion that sees you a a chili burger.
Guarding each door is an armed guard.
One guard always tells the truth.
The other guard always lies.
You have no idea which guard is which.
You may ask one guard one question.
...
How do you get the lady and not end up Meow-mix?
...
There is a logical answer that will lead you to the correct door... no matter what.
Hint: It uses a double negative.
...
Also.. think about it and give it a shot before you Google the answer.
No one ever gets it... I got this thing decades ago and had to have it explained to me because I couldn't figure it out.
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Yes. Truths are relative... like my original example of the setting Sun, it is based upon perception by the individual.
As for tattoos... the truth is tattooing is a process in which the skin in broken by a needle in order to insert tincture beneath the surface. The pain threshold is based purely on the individual. Me, for example, I'm a total wuss when it comes to needles and shit.... which explains my lack of tattoos.
Hail, Hail!!!
Do you think that we, as 'ignorant' human beings, can find THE truth? I think it is a lifelong quest.
Exactly - thus pain, whilst demonstrable is not absolute but relative.
I believe we CAN. We just have to sort through the tons and tons of bullshit that is thrown into our paths to find it.
It has been mentioned that I am 'building walls'... which is true... i build walls to keep out the same old bullshit I've been hearing from different people my entire life. The walls are not there restricting my freedom of passionate thought or emotion... they are there to keep the same old, same old bullshit I've heard a million times before from getting in my way.
Hail, Hail!!!
Not until tonight, just hi on Life :x
We've all heard the story of the 'Lady or the Lion', right?
if not...
You are trapped in a room.
There are 2 identical looking doors.
Behind one door is a beautiful woman (or man, your preference).
Behind the other is a ferocious, hungry lion that sees you a a chili burger.
Guarding each door is an armed guard.
One guard always tells the truth.
The other guard always lies.
You have no idea which guard is which.
You may ask one guard one question.
...
How do you get the lady and not end up Meow-mix?
...
There is a logical answer that will lead you to the correct door... no matter what.
Hint: It uses a double negative.
...
Also.. think about it and give it a shot before you Google the answer.
No one ever gets it... I got this thing decades ago and had to have it explained to me because I couldn't figure it out.
Hail, Hail!!!
That's one vivid imagination... to create such a cast of characters.
Hail, Hail!!!
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
thread over
You mean, Paul (The Scooter Store Guy) Pierce?
Hail, Hail!!!
Anyone have kids? When you ask your child a question you want he/she to tell you the truth. That is what truth is. :P
why do we as humans even think there is there is an absolute truth? being egocentric as we are, why cant it be simpy accepted that all truths are relative and subject to change? and therefore there is no such thing as absolute truth or 'the' truth.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Please, don't take this the wrong way... but, the truth is... I expected the exact response from you.
...
P.S. Have you ever lied to your kids? Have your kids ever lied to you?
If you have never lied and you kids have never lied... then you don't need to worry.
Hail, Hail!!!
Because we KNOW of certain absolute truths... such as, 'We are going to die someday'.
That is an absolute and there is no counter arguement to that. We are not all going to die on the same day... but, eventually, we will all become dead. We can argue about the date or the method of our deaths... but, we cannot, as living human beings, escape the fact that we are mortal.
If we know certain absolutes exist, then, the possibility of other absolutes exist... right?
Hail, Hail!!!
For me -- absolute truth hits you just once and while. If yer lucky -- more. That's the place I want to get to.
and what in your opinion are these absolute truths that hit once in a while?
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!
All people need to do more on every level!
From "truth" to "math" to... "Obama"?
This is going to drive me completely nuts, and that's the truth. It will be my lunch time brain activity.
Ask man in front of 'Hunk of a man' door - 'If I asked the other guard, would he say he has the hunk behind his door?
Then choose the opposite.
So, say you asked Hunk door and this has the liar - his response would be yes (because liar guard knows he has the hunk so he lies about truth guard's response)
If it were truth guard, his response would be yes as well (because he knows liar guard has the hunk but he is truthful about liar's intentions).
I'm pretty damned sure it's right (did see Labyrinth!) but can't explain it on a post - it's fine in my head!
I'm always amazed by people who can think this well in their head about abstract thoughts. I'm more of a "thinking in pictures" kind of person so thank you for sparing me hours of tortuous thinking!
But then I also have to ask... is it true?
It is!!!! Try it out - shut your eyes and visualise the doors and the guards (and the pretty lady behind the door if it helps)
Though I think there are several solutions to this riddle.
Hopefully no one will disprove me... :oops:
Isn't this from Labyrinth???
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Put it this way...
I have had more than my share of bullshit toss in my way, so I'm REALLY good at spotting bullshit when I smell it. So, when someone tries to sell me their relative truth as absolute... I call bullshit.
Hail, Hail!!!
But you know if one remains cynical and skeptical it's pretty hard to recognize
THE truth when it finds it's way to you.
Perhaps it already has and you have dismissed it as bullshit ... too bad for THE truth
don't fret it will be around again.
No. Re-read it... people are saying that some truths are relative and acknowledge that absolute truths exist.
...
Just because a child, for example, really believes the lies of the parent that Santa Claus exists... doesn't mean Santa Claus truely exists, right? The child's relative truth is not the absolute truth because it is relative to the individual child, not to the world of reality.
...
And trust me... i'll know the truth when I find it... it will be the one that does not reek of bullshit.
Hail, Hail!!!
I think it's an old parable based in Philosophy and math to help explain logic and develop critical thought.
Hail, Hail!!!