Pearl Jam to play Oracle OpenWorld

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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    rrivers wrote:
    Your wit is so sophisticated.

    thanks!
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  • ComeToTX
    ComeToTX Austin Posts: 8,063
    SolarWorld wrote:
    LineOneMightyFine wrote:
    Its hard not to view this as anything other than a cash grab, which is fine. Maybe they do want to throw their crew a bone? A head scratcher, but not entirely surprising given some of the decisions they've made in the past 4 years.

    Its funny how people are defending the position that a lot of IT people are fans. Well, yes, of course they are. But, why play a show to a relative handful of fans? A corporate pep rally? For Larry Ellison - one of the biggest dbags in the tech world? Answer: $$$$.

    Yeah a cash grab to pay for.... wait for it, Business Expenses!

    Maybe a tough concept for you to understand. Statement of Cash Flows, Balance Sheets, Expense Reports... etc, etc. Some accounting classes might do you some good.

    Another way to pay for these expenses would be to play shows for fans. You know...the fans that have paid you and your business expenses for over 20 years. It's not like playing this show was the only option. They could have sold out 4 nights in Missoula instead or played 2 shows in their hometown.
    This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
  • Spags
    Spags Leigh-on-Sea, UK Posts: 3,057
    They're probably just desperate to see some new faces down the front.
    Nature drunk and High
  • Spags
    Spags Leigh-on-Sea, UK Posts: 3,057
    Oh shit! What if they are coming with a new experimental techno album style (sorry I'm very old) and want to test run it on the nerds* first - doing a Radiohead! That would be amazing.

    *I mean this in the nicest sense of the word.
    Nature drunk and High
  • SolarWorld
    SolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    ComeToTX wrote:
    SolarWorld wrote:
    LineOneMightyFine wrote:
    Its hard not to view this as anything other than a cash grab, which is fine. Maybe they do want to throw their crew a bone? A head scratcher, but not entirely surprising given some of the decisions they've made in the past 4 years.

    Its funny how people are defending the position that a lot of IT people are fans. Well, yes, of course they are. But, why play a show to a relative handful of fans? A corporate pep rally? For Larry Ellison - one of the biggest dbags in the tech world? Answer: $$$$.

    Yeah a cash grab to pay for.... wait for it, Business Expenses!

    Maybe a tough concept for you to understand. Statement of Cash Flows, Balance Sheets, Expense Reports... etc, etc. Some accounting classes might do you some good.

    Another way to pay for these expenses would be to play shows for fans. You know...the fans that have paid you and your business expenses for over 20 years. It's not like playing this show was the only option. They could have sold out 4 nights in Missoula instead or played 2 shows in their hometown.

    *sigh, yeah because mobilizing the Pearl Jam machine for tours is so cheap, they can just make money where ever they go!

    Do you people think about the stuff you post before hand? Some simple critical thinking can explain this move very simply.....
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    TroubledSoul wrote:
    this thread is hilarious. some people have no idea what they're even commenting on regarding the oracle congress. drama queens galore in this thread.

    who gives a shit if pearl jam plays at a conference? i wish they played at the conferences i went to. i never get my 2 grand's worth with a midweek gig from an international act.
    I think I'm a voice of reason, but... seems like a lot of people do indeed care if they play at a conference, and I don't think they're all too idiotic to know any better.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Spags
    Spags Leigh-on-Sea, UK Posts: 3,057
    Remember when Eddie got the guy to film that song with a COMPUTER at that show - that was the moment it all began man!
    Nature drunk and High
  • Spags
    Spags Leigh-on-Sea, UK Posts: 3,057
    Their sound is gonna be so FUTURE fans will be trying to get IT jobs just to hear it.
    Nature drunk and High
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    boyo79 wrote:
    I love this whole ideals thing and that people think PJ have changed or sold out because they've made deals with Target and now this Oracle event.

    The same band that releases nearly every show its played since 2000 on cd. Yeah, cos that's not a money-maker is it?!? :lol::lol::lol: They've sold over 3 million bootlegs since 2000. The point is they've always been making money and are extremely wealthy. Have you ever thought there is a certain sense of irony in a rich man singing Green Disease or Soon Forget? But on the other hand, whilst they make alot of money they give to charity as well. There's there Vitalogy Foundation that benefits from ticket sales and just go look at the Activism page on here.

    We don't know why they are playing this gig and it doesn't really matter why they are. Not to me anyway. I don't care, they are free to do what they want. Any band is. I'd probably do the same thing if I was in a band. They certainly shouldn't be issuing a statement saying why they are playing :roll: :roll:
    Releasing their own CDs isn't the same at all. :roll: I don't think anyone here is disappointed because they make money. I think some are overreacting, as I've explained in previous posts here, but come on. It's not hard to understand why people are confused and annoyed by this. It's not because they are making money. It's because of what playing a private corporate conference represents vs the viewpoints that they have always and still do purport to hold and express. For me it's a mistake or bad judgment that I can forgive, but I guess some others feel more strongly about what it means to them. I wish some of you would stop acting like those people are morons. People feel different things for different reasons - at least respect their feelings, even if you aren't reacting the same way to the whole thing.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    edited August 2012
    badbrains wrote:
    I'm sorry but if pj playing this event doesn't bother you then you must not have been around the 90's with them. You didn't go through the whole TM debacle. This band stood for something, now I'm wondering if instead of standing for something, they just pull the ottoman up to the couch and kick there feet up.
    Anybody remember the Ottawa speech Ed did regarding Halliburton??? You can get the bootleg.
    Looks like pj is and has always been part of the machine......well played mr vedder. You had us fooled.
    :fp: :fp:
    I didn't know 10 Clubbers were such an unforgiving bunch!
    It's a poor choice on their part for sure, and if they're surprised that so many are mad about this choice, then they don't know their fans very well. But I don't know anyone, really, who hasn't disappointed others at one point or another. It happens, and PJ isn't immune to doing the same. Maybe they're doing it to bring some of their fans back to Earth, and remind them that the band isn't made up of a bunch of Jesus Christs? You never know. ;)

    And the point about all the merch and everything is a good point... it's not like they're stepping THAT far outside of what they've been trending towards for a long long time now.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • SolarWorld
    SolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    It's because of what playing a private corporate conference represents vs the viewpoints that they have always and still do purport to hold and express. For me it's a mistake or bad judgment that I can forgive, but I guess some others feel more strongly about what it means to them. I wish some of you would stop acting like those people are morons. People feel different things for different reasons - at least respect their feelings, even if you aren't reacting the same way to the whole thing.

    So you must have major issues with this then too...

    http://thenewlogistics.ups.com/sustaina ... pearl-jam/

    OH MY GOD THEY ARE DOING BUSINESS WITH A CORPORATION!!! AHHHHH!!! WHAT THE HELL PEARL JAM!?! AHHHH!!!

    :fp:
  • Stardog3..
    Stardog3.. Posts: 1,527
    edited September 2012
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  • Spags
    Spags Leigh-on-Sea, UK Posts: 3,057
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    People feel different things for different reasons - at least respect their feelings, even if you aren't reacting the same way to the whole thing.

    That's a fair point, this has probably disillusioned the fuck out of some people.
    Nature drunk and High
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    SolarWorld wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    It's because of what playing a private corporate conference represents vs the viewpoints that they have always and still do purport to hold and express. For me it's a mistake or bad judgment that I can forgive, but I guess some others feel more strongly about what it means to them. I wish some of you would stop acting like those people are morons. People feel different things for different reasons - at least respect their feelings, even if you aren't reacting the same way to the whole thing.

    So you must have major issues with this then too...

    http://thenewlogistics.ups.com/sustaina ... pearl-jam/

    OH MY GOD THEY ARE DOING BUSINESS WITH A CORPORATION!!! AHHHHH!!! WHAT THE HELL PEARL JAM!?! AHHHH!!!

    :fp:
    If you'd read any of my previous posts, you would know I'm not the one with a huge problem with this. I'm a bit disappointed, but I'm not flying off the handle... unlike most people here, no matter which side of the fence they land on. :?
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    badbrains wrote:
    I hate to say it but speedy, we probably didn't want to believe that "our" band was becoming what they/us detested. A CORPORATE BAND. You're absolutely correct speedy, they have been transforming right infront of our eyes for the past 10 years. And to think Ed once said that NO ONE should have to pay more than $20 for a show. Now days it costs more than $20 just to fucken park at the venue. Tix cost $90 ea, t shirts, fuck, $40, posters $30, etc....reality is setting in, times have changed, people have changed, guess its time to stop being in denial and except it that pj is a corporate band. Albeit a fucking killer band at that!!!! And I know speedy, you don't give a rats ass about my post!!! Hahahaha :):):)
    A KILLER band that hasnt played a full USA tour in how many years?
    Since 2003?

    But we keep sending them are $20-$40 a year....Dont we???

    :lol::lol::lol::lol:
    I couldn't care less about where and how often they tour. Has no effect on my love of them at all. They will tour where they want and when they want, which is exactly what I'd do if I were them. They're not paying you to be their fan or pay membership fees. You can bail any time you want.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • SolarWorld
    SolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    SolarWorld wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    It's because of what playing a private corporate conference represents vs the viewpoints that they have always and still do purport to hold and express. For me it's a mistake or bad judgment that I can forgive, but I guess some others feel more strongly about what it means to them. I wish some of you would stop acting like those people are morons. People feel different things for different reasons - at least respect their feelings, even if you aren't reacting the same way to the whole thing.

    So you must have major issues with this then too...

    http://thenewlogistics.ups.com/sustaina ... pearl-jam/

    OH MY GOD THEY ARE DOING BUSINESS WITH A CORPORATION!!! AHHHHH!!! WHAT THE HELL PEARL JAM!?! AHHHH!!!

    :fp:
    If you'd read any of my previous posts, you would know I'm not the one with a huge problem with this. I'm a bit disappointed, but I'm not flying off the handle... unlike most people here, no matter which side of the fence they land on. :?

    No No No this apparently goes against "the viewpoints that they have always and still do purport to hold and express."

    My point is most fans are completely clueless to how the business world works and what kind of expenses are involved with running a business as big as Pearl Jam. If they have the opportunity to offset some expenses so they can, I dont know PAY THEIR CREW, they take it. They can't worry about what a bunch of unrealistic fans, still living in the 90s, think about how they choose to run the BUSINESS.
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    My 2c:
    If we’re going to look at PJ as a business (and not as the group of artists they forever wanted us to view them as), we can analyze their actions using capitalist terms: risk/reward.
    Out of all of the things people have called PJ a sellout for: YL on Friends, the Target stuff, Ed marrying models, playing CEO bday parties, attending black-tie circle jerks, making videos, ticket prices, meet n greets, etc….this is the first time I just can’t justify the optics to myself….I don’t like the end result of examining the risk/reward of the Oracle gig.

    Nearly every sellout accusation against PJ can be justified as the band looking to stay relevant via increased marketing (Target), personal favours (bday party, possibly YL), changing music biz (ticket prices), or none-of-our-damn-business (who Ed married). At least with the Target gig, with the risk being fan backlash, there was a reward in the business relationship that allowed them wide, hassle-free distribution….which benefits fans and exposes the band to potential new fans. And they HAVE to KNOW there is going to be a backlash, after their decades of preaching against the man…….With this gig…the risk is the same (fan backlash)…but the only reward I see is a big payday. Maybe there is a personal favour angle or something....but even so, at face value, I can't see a reward that justifies the risk. There is no benefit to anyone but Oracle, a few employees who are fans, and PJ’s wallet. So reading between the lines, it’s a selfish act that they KNOW will tarnish their image and piss off a lot of their long-time fans…and they don’t give a shit. Fuck ‘em, right? They’ll get over it, right? I dunno….

    I’ve never looked at Chris Cornell the same since he cancelled a show to play for some jeans company execs. I still listen to him and support him….but I lost a TON of respect for him from an integrity standpoint. At least PJ didn’t cancel on their fans to do this show instead. That would be damn near unforgiveable. Wait, when was that second night in Missoula supposed to happen? I’m pretty disappointed by this. No fuckin Messiah indeed.
    k, that was more like $2
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    WoodenHammer wrote:
    as an oracle employee, i must say this backlash seems naive and misguided. i am not a master of war, i am not an evil corporate barbarian... i am just like you guys. i go to bonnaroo to see my favorite band, i bend over backwards to get to alpine to see pj20. i am a huge fan, and lots of my peers are too. this event will be rocking.

    and it's a technology conference with a music festival around it. that's not so different from an arts and music festival, is it? or a political fundraiser a la missoula. what's the difference?

    every year we have the biggest technology conference in the world in san francisco. we raise a ton of money for the city of SF, the city relies on this event. we have tried to move it, but the economics of it are so important to the city, that we stay there. and every year there is a concert night. i have seen the chili peppers, tom petty, prince, billy joel, beck, sting... the list goes on and on. and lots of companies do this. shit, bob dylan played for a google conference.

    the price for the entire conference is $2400. it's all week long and is just like any other trade conference, other than it is the biggest tech conference in the world. the tickets to the concert are free for anyone that attends the conference - ~40,000 people per year attend. and it's not all stuffed suits. it's a lot of normal people like me and you. its customers, its partners, its employees of oracle. this is not some millionaires only event. would it be different if they played for a teacher's union?

    im sorry, i just really don't understand all this backlash. i say good for them. it's a big audience, it'll be a good party, and i can't wait to rock out with my colleagues, friends, and PJ.
    You’ve got to be kidding. Yes, I'm sure there are some brilliant people speaking, and in attendance….but don’ try to fool yourself into thinking this isn’t just a free vacation for 95% of the people there. Get drunk and eat on your company’s tab at night, fight to keep your eyes open during some lame seminar during the day. If there are PJ fans in attendance, it's a coincidence. These people would go no matter who was playing, because they're not paying for it out of pocket! This is an exclusive party first and foremost – a ‘perk’ for working for/with Oracle. If it was really all about networking and business, they wouldn’t shell out seven figures for the entertainment.
  • SolarWorld
    SolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    Most everyone here would agree that PJ is one of the best bands to exist.

    Now after 20 years they might be getting some large paydays for minimal work.

    We praise them and put them up on a pedestals but when they get compensated for all their hard work and 20 year career, people slight them for it?

    It's absolutely insane...
  • SolarWorld
    SolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    Drowned Out wrote:
    You’ve got to be kidding. Yes, I'm sure there are some brilliant people speaking, and in attendance….but don’ try to fool yourself into thinking this isn’t just a free vacation for 95% of the people there. Get drunk and eat on your company’s tab at night, fight to keep your eyes open during some lame seminar during the day. If there are PJ fans in attendance, it's a coincidence. These people would go no matter who was playing, because they're not paying for it out of pocket! This is an exclusive party first and foremost – a ‘perk’ for working for/with Oracle. If it was really all about networking and business, they wouldn’t shell out seven figures for the entertainment.

    You have no idea what you are talking about. Learn something about the conference and the people that attend before you open your mouth. :roll:

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