Pearl Jam to play Oracle OpenWorld

Drowned Out

SolarWorld wrote:

Most everyone here would agree that PJ is one of the best bands to exist.

Now after 20 years they might be getting some large paydays for minimal work.

We praise them and put them up on a pedestals but when they get compensated for all their hard work and 20 year career, people slight them for it?

It's absolutely insane...

can you not see that part of what made them famous and helped them maintain such a loyal fanbase was their refusal to do things like this? To me, it's not much different than Metallica making pop-metal and passing it off as 'growth'.
Not the end of the world, and not enough to make me forget the greatness of the past....but def enough to make me question their intentions in the present.

PJ_Soul

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

badbrains wrote:

I hate to say it but speedy, we probably didn't want to believe that "our" band was becoming what they/us detested. A CORPORATE BAND. You're absolutely correct speedy, they have been transforming right infront of our eyes for the past 10 years. And to think Ed once said that NO ONE should have to pay more than $20 for a show. Now days it costs more than $20 just to fucken park at the venue. Tix cost $90 ea, t shirts, fuck, $40, posters $30, etc....reality is setting in, times have changed, people have changed, guess its time to stop being in denial and except it that pj is a corporate band. Albeit a fucking killer band at that!!!! And I know speedy, you don't give a rats ass about my post!!! Hahahaha

do you know what inflation means? $20 for a show 15 YEARS AGO is the same as $80 for a show now. I have paid way more for bands that are inferior to Pearl Jam over the years. And none of those bands play for nearly 3 hours and play 30 songs.

NONE.

I was gonna say the same thing. They really aren't charging much more for tickets now than they ever were after taking inflation into account.

Drowned Out

SolarWorld wrote:

Drowned Out wrote:

You’ve got to be kidding. Yes, I'm sure there are some brilliant people speaking, and in attendance….but don’ try to fool yourself into thinking this isn’t just a free vacation for 95% of the people there. Get drunk and eat on your company’s tab at night, fight to keep your eyes open during some lame seminar during the day. If there are PJ fans in attendance, it's a coincidence. These people would go no matter who was playing, because they're not paying for it out of pocket! This is an exclusive party first and foremost – a ‘perk’ for working for/with Oracle. If it was really all about networking and business, they wouldn’t shell out seven figures for the entertainment.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Learn something about the conference and the people that attend before you open your mouth. :roll:

did you just tell me to shut up? :roll:
ok, explain what I have wrong, smart guy. I'm sure this conference is allll business, right?

PJ_Soul

Stardog3.. wrote:

I don't know why people use the "people change" thing as a valid excuse for people to change what they built their foundation on. Ed was just ranting about corporate shit and Occupy Wall St. within the past couple months. This isn't like they just shut-up about this stuff. They are doing a concert supporting Jon Tester and Ed has openly supported Nader...who stands for everything but the corporations. They changed pretty damn quick then.

That is also a good point. This decision is definitely going against the values they seem to hold NOW, not just the ones they held 10 - 20 years ago. THAT'S why some people are pissed.... no one like a hypocrite... and anyone who says they're NOT a hypocrite is also a LIAR. So where does that leave us?

SolarWorld

Drowned Out wrote:

SolarWorld wrote:

Most everyone here would agree that PJ is one of the best bands to exist.

Now after 20 years they might be getting some large paydays for minimal work.

We praise them and put them up on a pedestals but when they get compensated for all their hard work and 20 year career, people slight them for it?

It's absolutely insane...

can you not see that part of what made them famous and helped them maintain such a loyal fanbase was their refusal to do things like this? To me, it's not much different than Metallica making pop-metal and passing it off as 'growth'.
Not the end of the world, and not enough to make me forget the greatness of the past....but def enough to make me question their intentions in the present.

Yeah, and the world is a very different place, the money party is over.

Intentions in the present?

HOW ABOUT PROVIDING FOR YOUR EMPLOYEES AND MAKING SURE YOUR FAMILY IS TAKEN CARE OF AFTER YOU ARE GONE.

:fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp: :fp:

drmrkelley

Maybe playing at this conference is a ploy. "Keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer." Perhaps the guys are infiltrating the corporate world to raise awareness in the long run. Who knows. Either way it will be interesting to hear what Ed has to say during the concert.

SolarWorld

Drowned Out wrote:

SolarWorld wrote:

Drowned Out wrote:

You’ve got to be kidding. Yes, I'm sure there are some brilliant people speaking, and in attendance….but don’ try to fool yourself into thinking this isn’t just a free vacation for 95% of the people there. Get drunk and eat on your company’s tab at night, fight to keep your eyes open during some lame seminar during the day. If there are PJ fans in attendance, it's a coincidence. These people would go no matter who was playing, because they're not paying for it out of pocket! This is an exclusive party first and foremost – a ‘perk’ for working for/with Oracle. If it was really all about networking and business, they wouldn’t shell out seven figures for the entertainment.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Learn something about the conference and the people that attend before you open your mouth. :roll:

did you just tell me to shut up? :roll:
ok, explain what I have wrong, smart guy. I'm sure this conference is allll business, right?

Exclusive Party? Its open to anyone that pays for the full convention. Your ignorance on these conferences is blinding me. You have never been to one obviously and have no idea what goes on there. If you think people pay 2500 for a week of BS and partying you have, like I said, NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

I didnt tell you to shut up, I told you you shouldn't speak about things you clearly know nothing about.

JimmyV

PJ_Soul wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

do you know what inflation means? $20 for a show 15 YEARS AGO is the same as $80 for a show now. I have paid way more for bands that are inferior to Pearl Jam over the years. And none of those bands play for nearly 3 hours and play 30 songs.

NONE.

I was gonna say the same thing. They really aren't charging much more for tickets now than they ever were after taking inflation into account.

Um...$20 in 1994 (when I first saw them) is equal to just under $31 in today's dollars.

http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm/

PJ_Soul

SolarWorld wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

SolarWorld wrote:

So you must have major issues with this then too...

http://thenewlogistics.ups.com/sustaina ... pearl-jam/

OH MY GOD THEY ARE DOING BUSINESS WITH A CORPORATION!!! AHHHHH!!! WHAT THE HELL PEARL JAM!?! AHHHH!!!

:fp:

If you'd read any of my previous posts, you would know I'm not the one with a huge problem with this. I'm a bit disappointed, but I'm not flying off the handle... unlike most people here, no matter which side of the fence they land on. :?

No No No this apparently goes against "the viewpoints that they have always and still do purport to hold and express."

My point is most fans are completely clueless to how the business world works and what kind of expenses are involved with running a business as big as Pearl Jam. If they have the opportunity to offset some expenses so they can, I dont know PAY THEIR CREW, they take it. They can't worry about what a bunch of unrealistic fans, still living in the 90s, think about how they choose to run the BUSINESS.

I'm not oblivious to it at all; I'm completely aware of overhead costs, and do agree that some people forget that they have an entire crew and warehouse and 10C staff to pay for. But knowing all that, I still think this gig was a bad choice, and it DOES go against the viewpoints that they have always and still do claim to hold and express. That and them making money to pay overhead aren't mutually exclusive. And I'll get over it as soon as this thread gets so vitriolic that they lock it.

rrivers

Drowned Out wrote:

SolarWorld wrote:

Drowned Out wrote:

You’ve got to be kidding. Yes, I'm sure there are some brilliant people speaking, and in attendance….but don’ try to fool yourself into thinking this isn’t just a free vacation for 95% of the people there. Get drunk and eat on your company’s tab at night, fight to keep your eyes open during some lame seminar during the day. If there are PJ fans in attendance, it's a coincidence. These people would go no matter who was playing, because they're not paying for it out of pocket! This is an exclusive party first and foremost – a ‘perk’ for working for/with Oracle. If it was really all about networking and business, they wouldn’t shell out seven figures for the entertainment.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Learn something about the conference and the people that attend before you open your mouth. :roll:

did you just tell me to shut up? :roll:
ok, explain what I have wrong, smart guy. I'm sure this conference is allll business, right?

It's business time!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqZcYPEszN8

Hugh Freaking Dillon

JimmyV wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

do you know what inflation means? $20 for a show 15 YEARS AGO is the same as $80 for a show now. I have paid way more for bands that are inferior to Pearl Jam over the years. And none of those bands play for nearly 3 hours and play 30 songs.

NONE.

I was gonna say the same thing. They really aren't charging much more for tickets now than they ever were after taking inflation into account.

Um...$20 in 1994 (when I first saw them) is equal to just under $31 in today's dollars.

http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm/

yep, and markets and prices change too.

SolarWorld

PJ_Soul wrote:

and it DOES go against the viewpoints that they have always and still do claim to hold and express.

Source?

Cause Stone just said he likes partnering with UPS to save money and lower carbon.

You must have all the details of this deal too since you believe its such an assault on their "views" and "beliefs"

rrivers

JimmyV wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

do you know what inflation means? $20 for a show 15 YEARS AGO is the same as $80 for a show now. I have paid way more for bands that are inferior to Pearl Jam over the years. And none of those bands play for nearly 3 hours and play 30 songs.

NONE.

I was gonna say the same thing. They really aren't charging much more for tickets now than they ever were after taking inflation into account.

Um...$20 in 1994 (when I first saw them) is equal to just under $31 in today's dollars.

http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm/

Ha! But Eddie needs to feed his family!

mydogmookieblaylock

36 pages ...... :yawn:

SolarWorld

JimmyV wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

do you know what inflation means? $20 for a show 15 YEARS AGO is the same as $80 for a show now. I have paid way more for bands that are inferior to Pearl Jam over the years. And none of those bands play for nearly 3 hours and play 30 songs.

NONE.

I was gonna say the same thing. They really aren't charging much more for tickets now than they ever were after taking inflation into account.

Um...$20 in 1994 (when I first saw them) is equal to just under $31 in today's dollars.

http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm/

The bureau of Labor's data is fucked.

Some more education for you people...

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/tale-t ... n-zirp-rev

SolarWorld

rrivers wrote:

Ha! But Eddie needs to feed his family!

Yeah. Making sure your family is well off now and in the future is such a dick move.

PJ_Soul

SolarWorld wrote:

Drowned Out wrote:

You’ve got to be kidding. Yes, I'm sure there are some brilliant people speaking, and in attendance….but don’ try to fool yourself into thinking this isn’t just a free vacation for 95% of the people there. Get drunk and eat on your company’s tab at night, fight to keep your eyes open during some lame seminar during the day. If there are PJ fans in attendance, it's a coincidence. These people would go no matter who was playing, because they're not paying for it out of pocket! This is an exclusive party first and foremost – a ‘perk’ for working for/with Oracle. If it was really all about networking and business, they wouldn’t shell out seven figures for the entertainment.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Learn something about the conference and the people that attend before you open your mouth. :roll:

No, it's true ... most of those conferences are basically a free vacation for most of those people, with some workshops thrown in for good measure. Especially the ones where Pearl Jam is playing for them! I and DO know what I'm talking about. I work with the people who attend those conferences.

PJ_Soul

JimmyV wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

do you know what inflation means? $20 for a show 15 YEARS AGO is the same as $80 for a show now. I have paid way more for bands that are inferior to Pearl Jam over the years. And none of those bands play for nearly 3 hours and play 30 songs.

NONE.

I was gonna say the same thing. They really aren't charging much more for tickets now than they ever were after taking inflation into account.

Um...$20 in 1994 (when I first saw them) is equal to just under $31 in today's dollars.

http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm/

Inflation of the costs of venues, salaries, gas, equipment... they aren't earning any more than they ever were.

SolarWorld

PJ_Soul wrote:

SolarWorld wrote:

Drowned Out wrote:

You’ve got to be kidding. Yes, I'm sure there are some brilliant people speaking, and in attendance….but don’ try to fool yourself into thinking this isn’t just a free vacation for 95% of the people there. Get drunk and eat on your company’s tab at night, fight to keep your eyes open during some lame seminar during the day. If there are PJ fans in attendance, it's a coincidence. These people would go no matter who was playing, because they're not paying for it out of pocket! This is an exclusive party first and foremost – a ‘perk’ for working for/with Oracle. If it was really all about networking and business, they wouldn’t shell out seven figures for the entertainment.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Learn something about the conference and the people that attend before you open your mouth. :roll:

No, it's true ... most of those conferences are basically a free vacation for most of those people, with some workshops thrown in for good measure. Especially the ones where Pearl Jam is playing for them! I and DO know what I'm talking about. I work with the people who attend those conferences.

My wife puts these on for Intel all over the world. Yeah they have parties and eat at nice restaurants but to think nothing of any substance goes on at these things is again showing you have no idea what you are talking about.

"Its just a big party" :fp:

PJ_Soul

SolarWorld wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

and it DOES go against the viewpoints that they have always and still do claim to hold and express.

Source?

Cause Stone just said he likes partnering with UPS to save money and lower carbon.

You must have all the details of this deal too since you believe its such an assault on their "views" and "beliefs"

:roll: :roll: I'm not providing sources for the view and beliefs of any given member of PJ. Give me a break. We all know what Ed and the other say and do, and we all probably interpret it in varying ways. If you want sources, do your own research, and draw your own conclusions; I don't care if you are disappointed or not about this. This is a thread based entirely on opinion.