Fair enough. Solar World's antagonistic prose had me following suit a bit yesterday. I shouldn't have made it sound like no one takes these things seriously. I'm sure many do, while others don't....all depends on ambition, I suppose. And I'm also sure there will be a lot of average income people in attendance.
As for the expense, I was only pointing out that no one is really paying for this out of pocket, and I think you can be included in that based on what you said above. Sure, this is money you could have put in your pocket.....But you are making a business investment, and (without knowing much about American taxation) you will probably get a healthy chunk of that money back thru your tax claims....it's only smart accounting to re-invest a certain amount of your income to minimize your taxes...and I'd think you wouldn't be spending this money if you didn't see an eventual improvement in your bottom line (or at least maintenance of it), as a result. So I don't think I misrepresented anything by saying that most people are there either on their company's dime, as a small biz owner who can write it off, or they are rich enough that $2400 doesn't matter to them.....which makes the show pretty f'n exclusive, considering those three categories apply to a really small, generally pretty privileged, percentage of the population.
I guess that fact doesn't really change my thoughts on this any. Would it be different if they played a conference for teachers or police officers? It still wouldn't be open to the general public and only a limited percentage of the population would be able to attend. I just don't get worked up about a decision to do 1 show that isn't open to everyone. Sure I'd rather they do a US tour but hopefully that happens next year. I feel very fortunate that I'll be able to go to this as I'm not able to make the other festivals this year.
No worries, the discussions get heated on here very quickly. I don't understand getting worked up on the internet, it's easy for people to say something behind a keyboard, kind of gives people "beer muscles" In the end, I don't think this one show makes much of a difference in the big picture, I can't believe people would stop following PJ over something like this.
Let's just hope for a new album and more shows next year so we can have some positive threads on here!
1998 - Noblesville 2000 - Noblesville 2010 - Noblesville 2011 - EV solo St Louis, PJ20 Alpine Valley 2012 - San Fran (Oracle) 2013 - Wrigley, Pittsburgh, Buffalo 2014 - Cincy, St Louis, Detroit 2016 - Lexington, Wrigley 2018 - Wrigley 2022 - Nashville, St Louis
Listened to Detroit I '03 today. 1st encore break, Ed comes out and slates the commercials that are in the arena and has a go at corporations & the Government. I wonder what the crowd's response will be next time he does this.....
2000: Manchester
2006: Dublin; Leeds; Arnhem
2007: London
2009: Manchester
2012: Manchester I & II : EV Manchester : Soundgarden Shepherds Bush
2013: Brad Manchester : Soundgarden Manchester
2014: Amsterdam I & II; Berlin; Leeds; Milton Keynes 2018: Berlin; London II; Boston II
Listened to Detroit I '03 today. 1st encore break, Ed comes out and slates the commercials that are in the arena and has a go at corporations & the Government. I wonder what the crowd's response will be next time he does this.....
OR-A-CUL!
OR-A-CUL!
OR-A-CUL!
or, if it's in Europe, they'll have 3-5 claps after every chant.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
how many bands, successful bands, tour when they have no album to promote? since the last studio album, they have toured:
-nearly half the US (INCLUDING DATES IN THE SOUTH)
-Canada
-Europe
-South America
AND HOSTED THEIR OWN WEEKEND FESTIVAL.
what do you people expect???
and they aren't Kiss. do you want them to put out a good album every 4 years, or a piece of crap every 6 months?
Can't you just accept that people don't like this? Your goal on this thread seems to be to shit on everything that people say about this that is negative.
Can't you just accept that people don't like this? Your goal on this thread seems to be to shit on everything that people say about this that is negative.
I can accept that. My only goal on this thread is to remind people that most bands don't tour behind nothing, and that the band toured pretty extensively for the last one. So playing one show that isn't to their liking is not a big deal. That was all, man, nothing more.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
How do you feel about Pearl Jam attending Oracle OpenWorld?
RED HOT ANGER - Pissed as hell - PJ are sellouts
MILD DISCONTENT - It surprised me for sure, but not angry
NO PROBLEMO - Totally AOK with me - PJ can do no wrong!
Still reflecting and undecided
how many bands, successful bands, tour when they have no album to promote? since the last studio album, they have toured:
-nearly half the US (INCLUDING DATES IN THE SOUTH)
-Canada
-Europe
-South America
AND HOSTED THEIR OWN WEEKEND FESTIVAL.
what do you people expect???
and they aren't Kiss. do you want them to put out a good album every 4 years, or a piece of crap every 6 months?
I'm with you about the touring. I will never complain about their touring schedule. They have every right to tour as much or as little as they want. They obviously have good reasons for their schedule and how much they tour. I.e., they don't want to tour that much. That's seems like a damned good reason to me!! I don't want to go see them perform when they don't even want to be there!
Just wish they also didn't want to do a lame corporate gig. But at least I'm not jealous of it like I am about every other show I can't go to!
Post edited by PJ_Soul on
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
God, I wish the biggest worry in my life was that Pearl Jam is playing a corporate convention.
I actually rank my worries on a fortnightly basis.....the PJ/Oracle show is my 135th biggest worry in life right now...just beat-out the Tomkat divorce (#136), but a nose behind the Robert Pattinson/Kristin Stewart scandal (#134).
Wait...I just spilled coffee on my desk..gotta worry about wiping it up, which makes it worry #9.....every worry from #10 & higher now moves down a spot!
God, I wish the biggest worry in my life was that Pearl Jam is playing a corporate convention.
I actually rank my worries on a fortnightly basis.....the PJ/Oracle show is my 135th biggest worry in life right now...just beat-out the Tomkat divorce (#136), but a nose behind the Robert Pattinson/Kristin Stewart scandal (#134).
Wait...I just spilled coffee on my desk..gotta worry about wiping it up, which makes it worry #9.....every worry from #10 & higher now moves down a spot!
Suziemay's worry #259: JOEJOEJOE reads Us Magazine!
God, I wish the biggest worry in my life was that Pearl Jam is playing a corporate convention.
I actually rank my worries on a fortnightly basis.....the PJ/Oracle show is my 135th biggest worry in life right now...just beat-out the Tomkat divorce (#136), but a nose behind the Robert Pattinson/Kristin Stewart scandal (#134).
Wait...I just spilled coffee on my desk..gotta worry about wiping it up, which makes it worry #9.....every worry from #10 & higher now moves down a spot!
Suziemay's worry #259: JOEJOEJOE reads Us Magazine!
Ever since the Olympics started, I have been reading the Daily Mail online...love the UK tabloids!
how many bands, successful bands, tour when they have no album to promote? since the last studio album, they have toured:
-nearly half the US (INCLUDING DATES IN THE SOUTH)
-Canada
-Europe
-South America
AND HOSTED THEIR OWN WEEKEND FESTIVAL.
what do you people expect???
and they aren't Kiss. do you want them to put out a good album every 4 years, or a piece of crap every 6 months?
I'm with you. I will never complain about their touring schedule. They have every right to tour as much or as little as they want. They obviously have good reasons for their schedule and how much they tour. I.e., they don't want to tour that much. That's seems like a damned good reason to me!! I don't want to go see them perform when they don't even want to be there!
I'm less disappointed by the 'number of live shows' aspect of this, than I am about the philosophical aspect. PJ has played here only 3 times in 20+ years, and I don't feel entitled to live shows. That's 3 shows more than Radiohead has played here over a similar career arc.
What bothers me is that they seem to be testing the boundaries of what the fans will accept of them as a corporate entity, after building their mystique, and fan loyalty, as a working man's band for years and years...I know it's been a slow progression, but this is the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back for a lot of people, it would seem.....Whether testing our acceptance of this stuff is a conscious decision or not remains to be seen...if it's a conscious one, thats a bit of a drag to me, because it seems like they are saying 'oh well' about the feelings of the people who admired that about them. .....if it's NOT a conscious decision, it seems they might be losing touch a bit with what helped set them apart from other great rock bands. If they don't want their message and integrity to set them apart from other great bands any longer, fine. It seems they don't worry about that anymore. Whatever....I'm not losing sleep over it, nor selling my Missoula tickets....but it does tarnish my image of them as a model for doing things differently - doing things 'their way', keeping it all about the music etc....that's the bottom line for me here.
I guess that fact doesn't really change my thoughts on this any. Would it be different if they played a conference for teachers or police officers? It still wouldn't be open to the general public and only a limited percentage of the population would be able to attend. I just don't get worked up about a decision to do 1 show that isn't open to everyone. Sure I'd rather they do a US tour but hopefully that happens next year. I feel very fortunate that I'll be able to go to this as I'm not able to make the other festivals this year.
No worries, the discussions get heated on here very quickly. I don't understand getting worked up on the internet, it's easy for people to say something behind a keyboard, kind of gives people "beer muscles" In the end, I don't think this one show makes much of a difference in the big picture, I can't believe people would stop following PJ over something like this.
Let's just hope for a new album and more shows next year so we can have some positive threads on here!
wouldn't be any different for me. It's a convention. I agree with my2hands (never thought Id say that in his AMT days ).....playing a convention is just plain lame, no matter how we try to justify it. My slightly less rabid pj fan friend totally grimaced when I told him about this...and asked if they'd be doing a casino tour soon. I'm not really worked up about any of this, just disappointed and I guess feeling a little nostalgic. Enjoy the show (and good luck with the business end of the convention too!)
wouldn't be any different for me. It's a convention. I agree with my2hands (never thought Id say that in his AMT days ).....playing a convention is just plain lame, no matter how we try to justify it. My slightly less rabid pj fan friend totally grimaced when I told him about this...and asked if they'd be doing a casino tour soon. I'm not really worked up about any of this, just disappointed and I guess feeling a little nostalgic. Enjoy the show (and good luck with the business end of the convention too!)
Thanks! I can't argue with that, although I'll take a lame show over no shows at all It will be interesting for sure to see how the crowd reacts when they play a song that isn't from Ten or Vs and also interesting to see how the band reacts to a (as you said) lame crowd. I wonder if we'll ever find out the details behind why they agreed to play this show.
1998 - Noblesville 2000 - Noblesville 2010 - Noblesville 2011 - EV solo St Louis, PJ20 Alpine Valley 2012 - San Fran (Oracle) 2013 - Wrigley, Pittsburgh, Buffalo 2014 - Cincy, St Louis, Detroit 2016 - Lexington, Wrigley 2018 - Wrigley 2022 - Nashville, St Louis
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I'm late to thread, since I have been out of pocket all week. But I have to say, I am disappointed. However, I've heard through the grapevine that this isn't the first corporate/private gig the boys have done.
Things have changed. They have families now. I know I would like to be a punk rock kid with my finger to the man, but I have a family to support and that steers me in a different direction. I kind of wish this show was before Montana. That Montana show would make everyone forget they even played this.
wouldn't be any different for me. It's a convention. I agree with my2hands (never thought Id say that in his AMT days ).....playing a convention is just plain lame, no matter how we try to justify it. My slightly less rabid pj fan friend totally grimaced when I told him about this...and asked if they'd be doing a casino tour soon. I'm not really worked up about any of this, just disappointed and I guess feeling a little nostalgic. Enjoy the show (and good luck with the business end of the convention too!)
Thanks! I can't argue with that, although I'll take a lame show over no shows at all It will be interesting for sure to see how the crowd reacts when they play a song that isn't from Ten or Vs and also interesting to see how the band reacts to a (as you said) lame crowd. I wonder if we'll ever find out the details behind why they agreed to play this show.
I'll stay away from the lame shows myself... If I went to a country fair and Led Zeppelin got on stage, and probably start crying rather than cheering!!
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
wouldn't be any different for me. It's a convention. I agree with my2hands (never thought Id say that in his AMT days ).....playing a convention is just plain lame, no matter how we try to justify it. My slightly less rabid pj fan friend totally grimaced when I told him about this...and asked if they'd be doing a casino tour soon. I'm not really worked up about any of this, just disappointed and I guess feeling a little nostalgic. Enjoy the show (and good luck with the business end of the convention too!)
Thanks! I can't argue with that, although I'll take a lame show over no shows at all It will be interesting for sure to see how the crowd reacts when they play a song that isn't from Ten or Vs and also interesting to see how the band reacts to a (as you said) lame crowd. I wonder if we'll ever find out the details behind why they agreed to play this show.
I'll stay away from the lame shows myself... If I went to a country fair and Led Zeppelin got on stage, and probably start crying rather than cheering!!
If Led Zeppelin got on stage at Walmart I would rock my face off.
I'm late to thread, since I have been out of pocket all week. But I have to say, I am disappointed. However, I've heard through the grapevine that this isn't the first corporate/private gig the boys have done.
Things have changed. They have families now. I know I would like to be a punk rock kid with my finger to the man, but I have a family to support and that steers me in a different direction. I kind of wish this show was before Montana. That Montana show would make everyone forget they even played this.
They don't need to do this to take care of their families. Just because someone has a family doesn't necessarily lead to people doing lame shit. This family excuse doesn't fly AT ALL.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Thanks! I can't argue with that, although I'll take a lame show over no shows at all It will be interesting for sure to see how the crowd reacts when they play a song that isn't from Ten or Vs and also interesting to see how the band reacts to a (as you said) lame crowd. I wonder if we'll ever find out the details behind why they agreed to play this show.
I'll stay away from the lame shows myself... If I went to a country fair and Led Zeppelin got on stage, and probably start crying rather than cheering!!
If Led Zeppelin got on stage at Walmart I would rock my face off.
I would be so depressed! That's what American Idol winners are reduced to!
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I'm not buying the Latrell Sprewell argument here. They have plenty of cash to support their family. If things took a turn for the worst I would expect this kind of thing.
Sacramento 10-30-00, Bridge School 10-20 and 10-21-01, Bridge School 10-25 and 10-26-01, Irvine 06-02-03, Irvine 06-03-03, San Diego 06-05-03, San Diego 07-07-06, Los Angeles 07-09-06, Santa Barbara 07-13-06, London UK 06-18-07, San Diego 10-9-09, San Diego 2013, LA 1 2013
wouldn't be any different for me. It's a convention. I agree with my2hands (never thought Id say that in his AMT days ).....playing a convention is just plain lame, no matter how we try to justify it. My slightly less rabid pj fan friend totally grimaced when I told him about this...and asked if they'd be doing a casino tour soon. I'm not really worked up about any of this, just disappointed and I guess feeling a little nostalgic. Enjoy the show (and good luck with the business end of the convention too!)
Thanks! I can't argue with that, although I'll take a lame show over no shows at all It will be interesting for sure to see how the crowd reacts when they play a song that isn't from Ten or Vs and also interesting to see how the band reacts to a (as you said) lame crowd. I wonder if we'll ever find out the details behind why they agreed to play this show.
I'll stay away from the lame shows myself... If I went to a country fair and Led Zeppelin got on stage, and probably start crying rather than cheering!!
I know what you mean and that's easy to say now, but the night of the show when the lights go down and they walk out on stage and start playing, the music is going to sound just the same. I'm excited. And I'd take Zeppelin any place I could get them too!
1998 - Noblesville 2000 - Noblesville 2010 - Noblesville 2011 - EV solo St Louis, PJ20 Alpine Valley 2012 - San Fran (Oracle) 2013 - Wrigley, Pittsburgh, Buffalo 2014 - Cincy, St Louis, Detroit 2016 - Lexington, Wrigley 2018 - Wrigley 2022 - Nashville, St Louis
3.
weak; inadequate; unsatisfactory; clumsy: a lame excuse.
4.
Slang . out of touch with modern fads or trends; unsophisticated.
Pearl Jam is not either of these.
Amy The Great #74594
New Orleans LA 7/4/95 reschedule 9/17/95
Chicago IL 1998, 10/9/00, 06/18/03, 05/16/06, 05/17/06
08/23/09, 08/24/09, Lolla 08/05/07
Champaign IL 4/23/03
Grand Rapids MI VFC 10/03/04
Grand Rapids MI 19May06
Noblesville IN 05/07/10 Cleveland OH 05/09/10
PJ 20 2011
Baltimore MD, Charlottesville VA, Seattle WA 2013
St. Louis MO, Milwaukee WI 2014
Tampa FL, Chicago IL, Lexington KY 2016 Missoula MT 2018
Comments
I guess that fact doesn't really change my thoughts on this any. Would it be different if they played a conference for teachers or police officers? It still wouldn't be open to the general public and only a limited percentage of the population would be able to attend. I just don't get worked up about a decision to do 1 show that isn't open to everyone. Sure I'd rather they do a US tour but hopefully that happens next year. I feel very fortunate that I'll be able to go to this as I'm not able to make the other festivals this year.
No worries, the discussions get heated on here very quickly. I don't understand getting worked up on the internet, it's easy for people to say something behind a keyboard, kind of gives people "beer muscles"
Let's just hope for a new album and more shows next year so we can have some positive threads on here!
2000 - Noblesville
2010 - Noblesville
2011 - EV solo St Louis, PJ20 Alpine Valley
2012 - San Fran (Oracle)
2013 - Wrigley, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
2014 - Cincy, St Louis, Detroit
2016 - Lexington, Wrigley
2018 - Wrigley
2022 - Nashville, St Louis
2006: Dublin; Leeds; Arnhem
2007: London
2009: Manchester
2012: Manchester I & II : EV Manchester : Soundgarden Shepherds Bush
2013: Brad Manchester : Soundgarden Manchester
2014: Amsterdam I & II; Berlin; Leeds; Milton Keynes
2018: Berlin; London II; Boston II
Bootleg Reviews: http://pjbootlegreviews.blogspot.com/
OR-A-CUL!
OR-A-CUL!
OR-A-CUL!
or, if it's in Europe, they'll have 3-5 claps after every chant.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Can't you just accept that people don't like this? Your goal on this thread seems to be to shit on everything that people say about this that is negative.
I can accept that. My only goal on this thread is to remind people that most bands don't tour behind nothing, and that the band toured pretty extensively for the last one. So playing one show that isn't to their liking is not a big deal. That was all, man, nothing more.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
God, I wish the biggest worry in my life was that Pearl Jam is playing a corporate convention.
Just wish they also didn't want to do a lame corporate gig. But at least I'm not jealous of it like I am about every other show I can't go to!
I actually rank my worries on a fortnightly basis.....the PJ/Oracle show is my 135th biggest worry in life right now...just beat-out the Tomkat divorce (#136), but a nose behind the Robert Pattinson/Kristin Stewart scandal (#134).
Wait...I just spilled coffee on my desk..gotta worry about wiping it up, which makes it worry #9.....every worry from #10 & higher now moves down a spot!
Ever since the Olympics started, I have been reading the Daily Mail online...love the UK tabloids!
What bothers me is that they seem to be testing the boundaries of what the fans will accept of them as a corporate entity, after building their mystique, and fan loyalty, as a working man's band for years and years...I know it's been a slow progression, but this is the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back for a lot of people, it would seem.....Whether testing our acceptance of this stuff is a conscious decision or not remains to be seen...if it's a conscious one, thats a bit of a drag to me, because it seems like they are saying 'oh well' about the feelings of the people who admired that about them. .....if it's NOT a conscious decision, it seems they might be losing touch a bit with what helped set them apart from other great rock bands. If they don't want their message and integrity to set them apart from other great bands any longer, fine. It seems they don't worry about that anymore. Whatever....I'm not losing sleep over it, nor selling my Missoula tickets....but it does tarnish my image of them as a model for doing things differently - doing things 'their way', keeping it all about the music etc....that's the bottom line for me here.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Thanks! I can't argue with that, although I'll take a lame show over no shows at all
2000 - Noblesville
2010 - Noblesville
2011 - EV solo St Louis, PJ20 Alpine Valley
2012 - San Fran (Oracle)
2013 - Wrigley, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
2014 - Cincy, St Louis, Detroit
2016 - Lexington, Wrigley
2018 - Wrigley
2022 - Nashville, St Louis
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Things have changed. They have families now. I know I would like to be a punk rock kid with my finger to the man, but I have a family to support and that steers me in a different direction. I kind of wish this show was before Montana. That Montana show would make everyone forget they even played this.
Touche
If Led Zeppelin got on stage at Walmart I would rock my face off.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I know what you mean and that's easy to say now, but the night of the show when the lights go down and they walk out on stage and start playing, the music is going to sound just the same. I'm excited. And I'd take Zeppelin any place I could get them too!
2000 - Noblesville
2010 - Noblesville
2011 - EV solo St Louis, PJ20 Alpine Valley
2012 - San Fran (Oracle)
2013 - Wrigley, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
2014 - Cincy, St Louis, Detroit
2016 - Lexington, Wrigley
2018 - Wrigley
2022 - Nashville, St Louis
weak; inadequate; unsatisfactory; clumsy: a lame excuse.
4.
Slang . out of touch with modern fads or trends; unsophisticated.
Pearl Jam is not either of these.
New Orleans LA 7/4/95 reschedule 9/17/95
Chicago IL 1998, 10/9/00, 06/18/03, 05/16/06, 05/17/06
08/23/09, 08/24/09, Lolla 08/05/07
Champaign IL 4/23/03
Grand Rapids MI VFC 10/03/04
Grand Rapids MI 19May06
Noblesville IN 05/07/10 Cleveland OH 05/09/10
PJ 20 2011
Baltimore MD, Charlottesville VA, Seattle WA 2013
St. Louis MO, Milwaukee WI 2014
Tampa FL, Chicago IL, Lexington KY 2016
Missoula MT 2018