Christian Republicans

davidtrios · July 2012

Byrnzie · July 2012

mikepegg44 · July 2012

Byrnzie wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

and I don't believe the OP made any reference to politicians, just republicans..

Generally those responsible for cutting 'programs that feed the hungry and heal the sick' are politicians.

not necessarily, if their voting block didn't want them to do it they wouldn't...So really, the voting base is responsible for the actions they take. It certainly didn't say politician in the OP unless I am wrong. It could have meant that, but then it should have been specific. all it said was republicans...lots of those in the country who are vocal and want to get programs changed

Byrnzie wrote:

Except you're completely missing the point - or just deliberately shifting the discussion in order to avoid addressing the OP.
We do want religion out of government. But that's not the point. The point is there are Republican politicians who keep preaching that they're Christians, whilst at the same time doing the opposite of what any true Christian would do - taking from the poor and pandering to the rich, whilst lining their own greedy pockets.

No I am not missing the point. either you want them to decide based on their religious principles or you don't. I have addressed the OP, you have limited it to only politicians, thus changing it. I included all republicans who also vote...That is not shifting the discussion at all in fact. I understand what people are trying to say, I just don't like the GIANT generalization that comes from simply saying republicans in the OP.
So when they make decisions that you believe are based on some other principle outside of their christian faith you can `not agree` all you want, but don't call them hypocrites for voting outside their christian faith simply because you disagree with the outcome. Cannot have it both ways...either you want them to make decisions based on religious principles or you don't...Apparently some is the same as all...Calling them hypocrites for doing something that seemingly goes against their religion's principles and in the same breath telling them you want religion out of politics is kind of contradictory isn't it?

In fact, I think it would be a good tactic by the left to point out that it goes against christian principles and while they don't agree they are glad that Republicans are beginning to take religion out of politics and that they hope it continues. That would cause quite the dust up if some major politicians on the left said something like that...

Byrnzie wrote:

Because most Muslims are terrorists, right?

hopefully this isn't a real question to me...if it is, when have I ever given the impression that I feel that way? you have read enough of what I have written I assume...what about that gives you the impression I feel that way?

Byrnzie · July 2012

mikepegg44 wrote:

It certainly didn't say politician in the OP unless I am wrong. It could have meant that, but then it should have been specific. all it said was republicans...lots of those in the country who are vocal and want to get programs changed

Well, I interpreted it as referring to politicians - those in a position to cut programs that feed the hungry and heal the sick.
Then again, those that vote for these hypocrites are not entirely without blame.

mikepegg44 wrote:

either you want them to decide based on their religious principles or you don't....
So when they make decisions that you believe are based on some other principle outside of their christian faith you can `not agree` all you want, but don't call them hypocrites for voting outside their christian faith simply because you disagree with the outcome. Cannot have it both ways...either you want them to make decisions based on religious principles or you don't...Apparently some is the same as all...Calling them hypocrites for doing something that seemingly goes against their religion's principles and in the same breath telling them you want religion out of politics is kind of contradictory isn't it?

In fact, I think it would be a good tactic by the left to point out that it goes against christian principles and while they don't agree they are glad that Republicans are beginning to take religion out of politics and that they hope it continues. That would cause quite the dust up if some major politicians on the left said something like that...

Except they're not taking religion out of politics. They preach it at every opportunity. And their actions and decisions are the opposite of what any real Christian would do. That's called hypocrisy.

aerial · July 2012

Byrnzie wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

It certainly didn't say politician in the OP unless I am wrong. It could have meant that, but then it should have been specific. all it said was republicans...lots of those in the country who are vocal and want to get programs changed

Well, I interpreted it as referring to politicians - those in a position to cut programs that feed the hungry and heal the sick.
Then again, those that vote for these hypocrites are not entirely without blame.

mikepegg44 wrote:

either you want them to decide based on their religious principles or you don't....
So when they make decisions that you believe are based on some other principle outside of their christian faith you can `not agree` all you want, but don't call them hypocrites for voting outside their christian faith simply because you disagree with the outcome. Cannot have it both ways...either you want them to make decisions based on religious principles or you don't...Apparently some is the same as all...Calling them hypocrites for doing something that seemingly goes against their religion's principles and in the same breath telling them you want religion out of politics is kind of contradictory isn't it?

In fact, I think it would be a good tactic by the left to point out that it goes against christian principles and while they don't agree they are glad that Republicans are beginning to take religion out of politics and that they hope it continues. That would cause quite the dust up if some major politicians on the left said something like that...

Except they're not taking religion out of politics. They preach it at every opportunity. And their actions and decisions are the opposite of what any real Christian would do. That's called hypocrisy.

Can you answer this? Do you want them to be hypocrites or not?
You seem to be very intelligent but at the same time not so smart.

peacefrompaul · July 2012

Cosmo wrote:

petejm043 wrote:

You are correct if people wouldn't steal it would not be a problem. But people do still and they steal big espcially from the government. $60 billion is stolen on a yearly basis from Medicare. The money that the government does recover from fraudsters are pennies compared to what the taxpayers lose.

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So... what is your solution? Get rid of medicare? Turn it over to insurance Companies Wall Streeters and Bankers... because they are so trustworthy and honest? Just let people die? What?

If Wall Street was actually held accountable for what they have done, this wouldn't be as much of an issue. Until then, they will continue to fuck people over and carry on with their lines of Cocaine.

know1 · July 2012

I think I posted this in the wrong forum originally, but Jesus was very anti-government in his time. He railed against the rulers of the day almost continually.

catefrances · July 2012

know1 wrote:

I think I posted this in the wrong forum originally, but Jesus was very anti-government in his time. He railed against the rulers of the day almost continually.

well who wouldnt be against a foreign power being in control of their country???

know1 · July 2012

catefrances wrote:

know1 wrote:

I think I posted this in the wrong forum originally, but Jesus was very anti-government in his time. He railed against the rulers of the day almost continually.

well who wouldnt be against a foreign power being in control of their country???

I think much of his disdain was focused on the Jewish leaders and not the Romans.

catefrances · July 2012

know1 wrote:

catefrances wrote:

know1 wrote:

I think I posted this in the wrong forum originally, but Jesus was very anti-government in his time. He railed against the rulers of the day almost continually.

well who wouldnt be against a foreign power being in control of their country???

I think much of his disdain was focused on the Jewish leaders and not the Romans.

the jewish leaders doing the bidding of the romans, you mean??

know1 · July 2012

catefrances wrote:

the jewish leaders doing the bidding of the romans, you mean??

I don't think so, but honestly I'm not an expert and not really sure.

BamaPJFan · July 2012

hedonist wrote:

I'm neither Republican nor Democrat...and I do respect the reasonable debates / arguments that take place here on a regular basis...but it seems to me as if posts like this (which from what I've seen, typically take jabs at the conservative side) do nothing to foster constructive discussion.

There's ridiculousness all over the place, but I don't see near as much anti-liberalism as I do the opposite (and I get it, many of the folks here tend to be more liberal than not).

This isn't a personal dig at you, davidtrios...just trying to understand the point.

I agree. There is far more vitriol from the left than on the right and I watch, listen, and read tons of news every week from many different sources. It's definitely on both sides, but the left always comes across to me as being really bitter and angry; like they don't enjoy life. Just look at some of the kooks on MSNBC like Maddow, Matthews, O'Donnell, the crazy, racist Al Sharpton, and the heart-attack-just-waiting-to happen Ed Schultz. The only MSNBC host who I can even really watch is my fellow Alabama guy, Joe Scarborough. The conservative news media has its fair share of extreme folks, but the left wing media has more in the extreme category.

I consider myself an Independent who is fiscally conservative and socially moderate. I vote for a combination of candidates any given election cycle.

Byrnzie · July 2012

BamaPJFan wrote:

hedonist wrote:

I'm neither Republican nor Democrat...and I do respect the reasonable debates / arguments that take place here on a regular basis...but it seems to me as if posts like this (which from what I've seen, typically take jabs at the conservative side) do nothing to foster constructive discussion.

There's ridiculousness all over the place, but I don't see near as much anti-liberalism as I do the opposite (and I get it, many of the folks here tend to be more liberal than not).

This isn't a personal dig at you, davidtrios...just trying to understand the point.

I agree. There is far more vitriol from the left than on the right

No there isn't.

And either way, since when does pointing out blatant hypocrisy constitute 'vitriol'?

blueandwhite · July 2012

BamaPJFan wrote:

hedonist wrote:

I'm neither Republican nor Democrat...and I do respect the reasonable debates / arguments that take place here on a regular basis...but it seems to me as if posts like this (which from what I've seen, typically take jabs at the conservative side) do nothing to foster constructive discussion.

There's ridiculousness all over the place, but I don't see near as much anti-liberalism as I do the opposite (and I get it, many of the folks here tend to be more liberal than not).

This isn't a personal dig at you, davidtrios...just trying to understand the point.

I agree. There is far more vitriol from the left than on the right and I watch, listen, and read tons of news every week from many different sources. It's definitely on both sides, but the left always comes across to me as being really bitter and angry; like they don't enjoy life. Just look at some of the kooks on MSNBC like Maddow, Matthews, O'Donnell, the crazy, racist Al Sharpton, and the heart-attack-just-waiting-to happen Ed Schultz. The only MSNBC host who I can even really watch is my fellow Alabama guy, Joe Scarborough. The conservative news media has its fair share of extreme folks, but the left wing media has more in the extreme category.

I consider myself an Independent who is fiscally conservative and socially moderate. I vote for a combination of candidates any given election cycle.

Did you ever consider that perhaps your not as independent as you think?

Both the left and right throw a lot of mud at each other, but we tend to overlook or ignore the stuff that is spewed by people who share our own beliefs. Conversely, we get very defensive or downright antagonistic with people we strongly disagree with. Your post comes off as a rant against the left, but you repeatedly exonerate the right. You openly speak about the left-wing kooks while defending the conservative media. You've pointed out how vitriolic posts from the left are, but there are just as many sharply worded posts coming from the other side.

Perhaps I'm simply pessimistic but I feel that almost everyone has an agenda. Most of the posters here are extremely partisan, often antagonistic and enjoy bating as much as they enjoy debating. It's probably the reason many people read these forums in the first place.

davidtrios · September 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArC7Xarw ... e=youtu.be

whygohome · September 2012

BamaPJFan wrote:

I agree. There is far more vitriol from the left than on the right and I watch, listen, and read tons of news every week from many different sources. It's definitely on both sides, but the left always comes across to me as being really bitter and angry; like they don't enjoy life. Just look at some of the kooks on MSNBC like Maddow, Matthews, O'Donnell, the crazy, racist Al Sharpton, and the heart-attack-just-waiting-to happen Ed Schultz. The only MSNBC host who I can even really watch is my fellow Alabama guy, Joe Scarborough. The conservative news media has its fair share of extreme folks, but the left wing media has more in the extreme category.

I consider myself an Independent who is fiscally conservative and socially moderate. I vote for a combination of candidates any given election cycle.

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davidtrios · October 2012

rape is...GOD's WILL...

are you fucking serious?

pandora · October 2012

davidtrios wrote:

rape is...GOD's WILL...

are you fucking serious?

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/2 ... t-page-25/

I found this perspective

chadwick · October 2012

"can't beat a good ol' church goin republican" - some dude

"the fuck you can't; gimmie a stick & i'll show ya how to beat fucked in the head whacky religious republicans" - some dude

whoever, "some dude" is he is a comical shit

Cosmo · October 2012

know1 wrote:

catefrances wrote:

the jewish leaders doing the bidding of the romans, you mean??

I don't think so, but honestly I'm not an expert and not really sure.

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No. Cate is correct. The Middle East, specifically, the land of Judea, was under Roman control. The Jewish Leaders were administering what the Roman Governor's were directing. The security was basically, the Roman Legions deployed to that region... who also enforced Roman Law.
The first Jewish uprising took place around 60 A.D. which was met with crushing consequences. The destruction of Jewish Temple in Jeruselem was the price they paid.
...
Now, I'm no Biblical scholar... but I am pretty sure Jesus was alive during this time of Roman occupation.
But, you are correct... Jesus wanted to sheppard the Jews back to the basis of God, not Religion (which Jesus saw as being corrupt). Jewish Religious leaders lived in Roman-esque luxury while the Jewish people bore the brunt of Rome's oppression on His homeland and His people.
I think that some of our further to the right Republicans can learn a lot from Jesus.. regarding His views of Earthly wealth and the poverty that people are subjected to.

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