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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    I don't know any Christian Republicans personally but I like to think of people as individuals with
    their own purpose, calling and opinions, not lump them all as one type, one mind.

    Some Republicans think there are many taking horrid advantage of government hand outs,
    terrible fraud, waste, that this is an epidemic and want stricter regulation and yes cuts.
    Many feel once a handout always a handout.

    Did we know our Olympians get nothing, no help from our government?
    They must find private sector money, sponsors to train and get them
    to the olympics. While not the case for many countries.
    This floored me because we have many collecting checks sitting on their asses
    doing nothing for years, not even community service.

    Some Democrats have foundations for the environment where they take unbelievable
    salaries away from exactly what donors think they are giving to,
    not giving to maintain somebody's outlandish lifestyle.
    Some get richer at the expense of mother nature, of us all.
    Did a little research on a fella mentioned here in big regard...
    I was appalled at how much went to his pocket compared to what he was fighting for.

    Churches help the poor in their communities,
    this the individuals often do hands on, face to face in love.
    To me this is the best of the best :D
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    those same people give to charities and work at their local church. They feel that the government fforce is not the most effective way. Why is that impossible to understand?


    But I guess it is just easier to hate them

    i think this is about the hypocrisy of this group ... these people vote against gay marriage, vote to bomb other countries ... that's not very peaceful or loving at all ... they want to prevent contraception from being given to developing countries ... the list goes on and on ...
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,889
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    those same people give to charities and work at their local church. They feel that the government fforce is not the most effective way. Why is that impossible to understand?


    But I guess it is just easier to hate them
    who is directing hatred at them?


    Seriously? Do I have to do a forum search for you?
    hippiemom = goodness
  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    polaris_x wrote:
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    those same people give to charities and work at their local church. They feel that the government fforce is not the most effective way. Why is that impossible to understand?


    But I guess it is just easier to hate them

    i think this is about the hypocrisy of this group ... these people vote against gay marriage, vote to bomb other countries ... that's not very peaceful or loving at all ... they want to prevent contraception from being given to developing countries ... the list goes on and on ...


    that wasn't in the OP.

    I am not a christian, agnostic if I had to choose something...I just get sick of all the ragging on them that is done, that is all. Especially when it comes to the stuff in the OP. I think there are many people who miss all the good things christian groups do because of some of the misguided stuff they do...
    that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
    It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
    - Joe Rogan
  • AndyVanSlyke
    AndyVanSlyke Posts: 183
    polaris_x wrote:
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    those same people give to charities and work at their local church. They feel that the government fforce is not the most effective way. Why is that impossible to understand?


    But I guess it is just easier to hate them

    i think this is about the hypocrisy of this group ... these people vote against gay marriage, vote to bomb other countries ... that's not very peaceful or loving at all ... they want to prevent contraception from being given to developing countries ... the list goes on and on ...


    It makes me nervous when religious individuals use religion as the "problem solving strategy" as opposed to taking what the book says and making conscious decisions. Praying to a higher power, reading from the book, can inspire you to make a better choice.

    Religions can get a bit crazy when they wait for Jesus to provide the answer AND action without thinking/acting for themselves.

    As Ned Flanders' beatnik dad once said, "We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas"
    Pittsburgh 2003/Pittsburgh 2006/Outside Lands 2009/Bridge School 2010/Pittsburgh 2013
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    AndyVanSlyke wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    those same people give to charities and work at their local church. They feel that the government fforce is not the most effective way. Why is that impossible to understand?


    But I guess it is just easier to hate them

    i think this is about the hypocrisy of this group ... these people vote against gay marriage, vote to bomb other countries ... that's not very peaceful or loving at all ... they want to prevent contraception from being given to developing countries ... the list goes on and on ...


    It makes me nervous when religious individuals use religion as the "problem solving strategy" as opposed to taking what the book says and making conscious decisions. Praying to a higher power, reading from the book, can inspire you to make a better choice.

    Religions can get a bit crazy when they wait for Jesus to provide the answer AND action without thinking/acting for themselves.

    As Ned Flanders' beatnik dad once said, "We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas"
    kind of like the muslims ? or the scintologist's ? or the very people that believe them selfs to be better or smarter than the rest ? everybody has to blame something on somebody that just human nature.

    Godfather.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    amd when there is nobody left to blame peple blame Jesus or God..go figure. :lol:

    Godfather.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    that wasn't in the OP.

    I am not a christian, agnostic if I had to choose something...I just get sick of all the ragging on them that is done, that is all. Especially when it comes to the stuff in the OP. I think there are many people who miss all the good things christian groups do because of some of the misguided stuff they do...

    but EVERYONE does good things ... christians don't have a monopoly on it ... why give them out for something that every race, religion, group does? ...

    as for the OP ... your christian republicans aren't libertarians who believe in small gov't ... no, they vote for guys who expand gov't ... they vote for guys who want to cut social programs ... they vote for guys who create the disparity in wealth you see so prominent now ...
  • AndyVanSlyke
    AndyVanSlyke Posts: 183
    Godfather. wrote:

    everybody has to blame something on somebody that just human nature.

    :roll: Yep, It definitely makes things easier. But it shouldn't stop there, right? I guess after blaming God/Jesus/Allah/Jerry Garcia, a choice needs to be made....i guess that's where politics come in (or don't)
    Pittsburgh 2003/Pittsburgh 2006/Outside Lands 2009/Bridge School 2010/Pittsburgh 2013
  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    polaris_x wrote:
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    that wasn't in the OP.

    I am not a christian, agnostic if I had to choose something...I just get sick of all the ragging on them that is done, that is all. Especially when it comes to the stuff in the OP. I think there are many people who miss all the good things christian groups do because of some of the misguided stuff they do...

    but EVERYONE does good things ... christians don't have a monopoly on it ... why give them out for something that every race, religion, group does? ...

    as for the OP ... your christian republicans aren't libertarians who believe in small gov't ... no, they vote for guys who expand gov't ... they vote for guys who want to cut social programs ... they vote for guys who create the disparity in wealth you see so prominent now ...


    never said they had a monopoly on it. I get it, you aren't willing to see the votes on cutting social programs as a gov't philosophy...it has to be because they hate and want to punish the poor. I simply pointed out that is a ridiculously narrow view.
    that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
    It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
    - Joe Rogan
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,675
    According to Gorman Bechard (The Second Greatest Story Ever Told) the daughter of God, Illana Cogswater, has one commandment for everybody: Be Kind. If politicians did that and kept the rest of their religious beliefs out of the way we might get somewhere.

    If that doesn't appeal there's always the notion that great atheist, Kurt Vonnegut Jr., encouraged: be considerate.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    AndyVanSlyke wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:

    everybody has to blame something on somebody that just human nature.

    :roll: Yep, It definitely makes things easier. But it shouldn't stop there, right? I guess after blaming God/Jesus/Allah/Jerry Garcia, a choice needs to be made....i guess that's where politics come in (or don't)

    I think it all boils down to "freedom of choice" what choices have we made and what are the consiquinces for the choices we have made and who will affect besides ourselfs and why do we blame Jesus for the choices of men ?

    Godfather.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,675
    Godfather. wrote:
    amd when there is nobody left to blame peple blame Jesus or God..go figure. :lol:

    Godfather.

    What do people blame Jesus for, Godfather? They might not believe in Jesus or they might not care about Jesus one way or the other, but what have they blamed him for? I've never heard this before.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • AndyVanSlyke
    AndyVanSlyke Posts: 183
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    that wasn't in the OP.

    I am not a christian, agnostic if I had to choose something...I just get sick of all the ragging on them that is done, that is all. Especially when it comes to the stuff in the OP. I think there are many people who miss all the good things christian groups do because of some of the misguided stuff they do...

    but EVERYONE does good things ... christians don't have a monopoly on it ... why give them out for something that every race, religion, group does? ...

    as for the OP ... your christian republicans aren't libertarians who believe in small gov't ... no, they vote for guys who expand gov't ... they vote for guys who want to cut social programs ... they vote for guys who create the disparity in wealth you see so prominent now ...


    never said they had a monopoly on it. I get it, you aren't willing to see the votes on cutting social programs as a gov't philosophy...it has to be because they hate and want to punish the poor. I simply pointed out that is a ridiculously narrow view.


    If I may partake in this back and forth....

    Cutting social programs is only going to lead to helplessness for those who need it most. Therefore, relying more on a God to save them from the mess they are in when their only option is to turn to social programs. And leading to a never ending cycle of needing, expecting, and in the end, desperation.

    My view comes from Pennsylvania with a governor Corbett who is making it harder and harder for the disabled and others to get the services and help they need. I see a very difficult road forming...At least until the helpless (hopefully) find their own ways.
    Pittsburgh 2003/Pittsburgh 2006/Outside Lands 2009/Bridge School 2010/Pittsburgh 2013
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    never said they had a monopoly on it. I get it, you aren't willing to see the votes on cutting social programs as a gov't philosophy...it has to be because they hate and want to punish the poor. I simply pointed out that is a ridiculously narrow view.

    it IS a gov't philosophy ... to benefit the wealthy ... i'm just not sure where you get the idea that christian republicans don't want big gov't ... we're talking about the hypocrisy of christianity and their front that they want to help people ... when the reality is they want people to conform people ...
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,443
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    those same people give to charities and work at their local church. They feel that the government fforce is not the most effective way. Why is that impossible to understand?


    But I guess it is just easier to hate them
    who is directing hatred at them?

    if you claim to be something, act like it and wear it. don't say you are for something, ie helping poor, while voting to hurt those people. christ would be offended by these people.


    They are wearing it... they don't believe gov't is the best way to help them. Again, why is that hard to understand?


    I have been here a while, as have you...if you don't think people hate republican christians as a stereotype...I don't know what to tell you


    edit to add links
    http://www.osjspm.org/ catholic charities

    https://www.fmsc.org/donate

    just two, there are plenty more
    those charities are wonderful, but they are not equipped to feed the needy on a massive scale. the government is the only organization that is big enough to do that and do it timely and efficiently. your views on government will never allow you to concede that point. i get that.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,443
    polaris_x wrote:
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    never said they had a monopoly on it. I get it, you aren't willing to see the votes on cutting social programs as a gov't philosophy...it has to be because they hate and want to punish the poor. I simply pointed out that is a ridiculously narrow view.

    it IS a gov't philosophy ... to benefit the wealthy ... i'm just not sure where you get the idea that christian republicans don't want big gov't ... we're talking about the hypocrisy of christianity and their front that they want to help people ... when the reality is they want people to conform people ...
    they want freedom for people, yet they are all up in our bedrooms...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • AndyVanSlyke
    AndyVanSlyke Posts: 183
    Godfather. wrote:
    why do we blame Jesus for the choices of men ? Godfather.


    Put that on a t-shirt...
    Pittsburgh 2003/Pittsburgh 2006/Outside Lands 2009/Bridge School 2010/Pittsburgh 2013
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    Godfather. wrote:
    why do we blame Jesus for the choices of men ? Godfather.

    the same reason we credit jesus for the accomplishments of man.
    Gimli 1993
    Fargo 2003
    Winnipeg 2005
    Winnipeg 2011
    St. Paul 2014
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    if you want to thank jesus and praise him for the good that you do, shouldn't that allow others to blame him for the bad that you do too?

    I don't, but my point is you can't have it both ways.
    Gimli 1993
    Fargo 2003
    Winnipeg 2005
    Winnipeg 2011
    St. Paul 2014

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