brianlux
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According to Gorman Bechard (The Second Greatest Story Ever Told) the daughter of God, Illana Cogswater, has one commandment for everybody: Be Kind. If politicians did that and kept the rest of their religious beliefs out of the way we might get somewhere.
If that doesn't appeal there's always the notion that great atheist, Kurt Vonnegut Jr., encouraged: be considerate.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
everybody has to blame something on somebody that just human nature.
:roll: Yep, It definitely makes things easier. But it shouldn't stop there, right? I guess after blaming God/Jesus/Allah/Jerry Garcia, a choice needs to be made....i guess that's where politics come in (or don't)
I think it all boils down to "freedom of choice" what choices have we made and what are the consiquinces for the choices we have made and who will affect besides ourselfs and why do we blame Jesus for the choices of men ?
Godfather.
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brianlux
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amd when there is nobody left to blame peple blame Jesus or God..go figure.
Godfather.
What do people blame Jesus for, Godfather? They might not believe in Jesus or they might not care about Jesus one way or the other, but what have they blamed him for? I've never heard this before.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I am not a christian, agnostic if I had to choose something...I just get sick of all the ragging on them that is done, that is all. Especially when it comes to the stuff in the OP. I think there are many people who miss all the good things christian groups do because of some of the misguided stuff they do...
but EVERYONE does good things ... christians don't have a monopoly on it ... why give them out for something that every race, religion, group does? ...
as for the OP ... your christian republicans aren't libertarians who believe in small gov't ... no, they vote for guys who expand gov't ... they vote for guys who want to cut social programs ... they vote for guys who create the disparity in wealth you see so prominent now ...
never said they had a monopoly on it. I get it, you aren't willing to see the votes on cutting social programs as a gov't philosophy...it has to be because they hate and want to punish the poor. I simply pointed out that is a ridiculously narrow view.
If I may partake in this back and forth....
Cutting social programs is only going to lead to helplessness for those who need it most. Therefore, relying more on a God to save them from the mess they are in when their only option is to turn to social programs. And leading to a never ending cycle of needing, expecting, and in the end, desperation.
My view comes from Pennsylvania with a governor Corbett who is making it harder and harder for the disabled and others to get the services and help they need. I see a very difficult road forming...At least until the helpless (hopefully) find their own ways.
Pittsburgh 2003/Pittsburgh 2006/Outside Lands 2009/Bridge School 2010/Pittsburgh 2013
never said they had a monopoly on it. I get it, you aren't willing to see the votes on cutting social programs as a gov't philosophy...it has to be because they hate and want to punish the poor. I simply pointed out that is a ridiculously narrow view.
it IS a gov't philosophy ... to benefit the wealthy ... i'm just not sure where you get the idea that christian republicans don't want big gov't ... we're talking about the hypocrisy of christianity and their front that they want to help people ... when the reality is they want people to conform people ...
those same people give to charities and work at their local church. They feel that the government fforce is not the most effective way. Why is that impossible to understand?
But I guess it is just easier to hate them
who is directing hatred at them?
if you claim to be something, act like it and wear it. don't say you are for something, ie helping poor, while voting to hurt those people. christ would be offended by these people.
They are wearing it... they don't believe gov't is the best way to help them. Again, why is that hard to understand?
I have been here a while, as have you...if you don't think people hate republican christians as a stereotype...I don't know what to tell you
those charities are wonderful, but they are not equipped to feed the needy on a massive scale. the government is the only organization that is big enough to do that and do it timely and efficiently. your views on government will never allow you to concede that point. i get that.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
never said they had a monopoly on it. I get it, you aren't willing to see the votes on cutting social programs as a gov't philosophy...it has to be because they hate and want to punish the poor. I simply pointed out that is a ridiculously narrow view.
it IS a gov't philosophy ... to benefit the wealthy ... i'm just not sure where you get the idea that christian republicans don't want big gov't ... we're talking about the hypocrisy of christianity and their front that they want to help people ... when the reality is they want people to conform people ...
they want freedom for people, yet they are all up in our bedrooms...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
those charities are wonderful, but they are not equipped to feed the needy on a massive scale. the government is the only organization that is big enough to do that and do it timely and efficiently. your views on government will never allow you to concede that point. i get that.
yes, they do a wonderfully efficient job
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
if you want to thank jesus and praise him for the good that you do, shouldn't that allow others to blame him for the bad that you do too?
I don't, but my point is you can't have it both ways.
this always seems funny to me. people on tv after a natural disaster asking god to help them. shouldn't they be blaming god for the massive tornado/hurricane/tsunami/earthquake/fire that just destroyed their lives?
Same goes for victims of violent crime. i'm asked to pray for the victims. where was god while someones kid was being raped or murdered? i've never received a straight answer from a christian on this.
if god is truly all good, all knowing and all powerful how do they rectify these things?
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never said they had a monopoly on it. I get it, you aren't willing to see the votes on cutting social programs as a gov't philosophy...it has to be because they hate and want to punish the poor. I simply pointed out that is a ridiculously narrow view.
it IS a gov't philosophy ... to benefit the wealthy ... i'm just not sure where you get the idea that christian republicans don't want big gov't ... we're talking about the hypocrisy of christianity and their front that they want to help people ... when the reality is they want people to conform people ...
I just provided links to two christian organizations that help people. You want to believe none of them do, I cannot change that...All Canadians hate Christians :P .
I have pointed out many times convenient conservatism is ridiculous. I just don't understand why we get to negatively stereotype Christians. The same people that jump on those for stereotyping muslims as terrorists are the first to jump on the christian stereotype you are describing.
I am not one, don't have a horse in that race, nor do I deny that some want to use the gov't as a morals police...The original post was about cutting social programs was it not? that is what I answered...What is wrong with thinking that a different way to help people might be better? does that somehow make someone less christian? Do social programs make people love each other more? do they teach you to do unto others? no they don't...they give money to people who may or may not deserve it based on criteria down to a specific dollar income...great. But I don't think welfare should exist like it does so obviously I hate poor people...
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
the same reason we credit jesus for the accomplishments of man.
Nice. Perfect response.
no...it was the ez response and not really an answer the question.
Godfather.
OK, how about this... why do I have to talk about your jesus?
The reason people blame jesus for the choices of men, is because those same "men" invoke jesus as the reason they do everything and how they try to live their lives. If you are going to say you are living by the word of god and telling others to, then expect some criticism when your actions/words are hurtful to others and serve no purpose.
Or how about this...keep your jesus to yourself and I'll keep my opinion about jesus to myself?
OK, how about this... why do I have to talk about your jesus?
The reason people blame jesus for the choices of men, is because those same "men" invoke jesus as the reason they do everything and how they try to live their lives. If you are going to say you are living by the word of god and telling others to, then expect some criticism when your actions/words are hurtful to others and serve no purpose.
Or how about this...keep your jesus to yourself and I'll keep my opinion about jesus to myself?
good answer
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
OK, how about this... why do I have to talk about your jesus?
The reason people blame jesus for the choices of men, is because those same "men" invoke jesus as the reason they do everything and how they try to live their lives. If you are going to say you are living by the word of god and telling others to, then expect some criticism when your actions/words are hurtful to others and serve no purpose.
Or how about this...keep your jesus to yourself and I'll keep my opinion about jesus to myself?
good answer
ummm I just posted on thread called Christian Republicans but as you wish cinci.
btw I didn't entend for my words to be hurtful I apoligize to you cinci and HFD that they seemed that way.
those charities are wonderful, but they are not equipped to feed the needy on a massive scale. the government is the only organization that is big enough to do that and do it timely and efficiently. your views on government will never allow you to concede that point. i get that.
yep. That definitely clouds my opinion on the matter. But I don't believe that government intervention is either timely or efficient. So I suppose it is the binoculars you view it through that allow you to come to conclusions about what is best...I don't think forced giving is the best thing to do...it breeds resentment...
I do think the red cross operates pretty well, although they could obviously do a better job as well...
If we all thought locally when it comes to hunger we would be in a better way in general. That doesn't change the fact that a different philosophy on where giving should come from doesn't mean that republican voters are somehow less Christian because of it...
Again, I don't have a horse in the race, but if people who aren't muslim are going to come on here and defend muslims when they are unjustly stereotyped, they shouldn't be surprised when someone who isn't Christian comes to the defense of Christians. Neither should be negatively stereotyped IMO...
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Ok that sounds nice, but how come he gets all the praise of things men do or is the answer to all the unknowns that people causally fill in the blank? Can't have it both ways you know.
why do we blame Jesus for the choices of men ? Godfather.
Put that on a t-shirt...
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Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
ummm I just posted on thread called Christian Republicans but as you wish cinci.
btw I didn't entend for my words to be hurtful I apoligize to you cinci and HFD that they seemed that way.
Godfather.
I didn't find anything hurtful.
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ummm I just posted on thread called Christian Republicans but as you wish cinci.
btw I didn't entend for my words to be hurtful I apoligize to you cinci and HFD that they seemed that way.
Godfather.
My "you" wasn't specifically you, it was the general "you"...make sense????
Not to mention, the OP is an idiot for posting this stupid thread anyhow. There is way too much hatred thrown at Christians and Christianity and I would certainly stand up for their right to believe what they want. It's when they try to push their beliefs into my personal life that I have a BIG problem.
those charities are wonderful, but they are not equipped to feed the needy on a massive scale. the government is the only organization that is big enough to do that and do it timely and efficiently. your views on government will never allow you to concede that point. i get that.
yep. That definitely clouds my opinion on the matter. But I don't believe that government intervention is either timely or efficient. So I suppose it is the binoculars you view it through that allow you to come to conclusions about what is best...I don't think forced giving is the best thing to do...it breeds resentment...
I do think the red cross operates pretty well, although they could obviously do a better job as well...
If we all thought locally when it comes to hunger we would be in a better way in general. That doesn't change the fact that a different philosophy on where giving should come from doesn't mean that republican voters are somehow less Christian because of it...
Again, I don't have a horse in the race, but if people who aren't muslim are going to come on here and defend muslims when they are unjustly stereotyped, they shouldn't be surprised when someone who isn't Christian comes to the defense of Christians. Neither should be negatively stereotyped IMO...
are you saying that food stamps and wic are not timely or efficient? people SURVIVE BECAUSE of those programs when they otherwise might not. and yes, forced giving breeds resentment....to the selfish who resent giving... which is exactly what we would have if we did not have government intervention in the hunger issue. to normal people who care about others they are not nearly as resentful. just look at the republican controlled house right now. they are wanting to cut food aid to the needy. they are wanting to repeal the affordable care act that benefits the needy. if you withold money for food AND health insurance and access to medical care, those people are gonna die. it does not take a scientist to figure that out, and it doesn't take a person of faith to figure it out.
the government is involved because there are not enough good samaritans who want to donate money for food for the poor. people bitch that their taxes are high, so if their taxes are cut, i will bet my house that >75% of those people getting money back will not help the needy with that money. there are not enough christians out there to cover everyone in this country that needs food assistance. if the public can not play jesus, it is up to the only entity with the coffers to do so. the government must play jesus in that scenario.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
ummm I just posted on thread called Christian Republicans but as you wish cinci.
btw I didn't entend for my words to be hurtful I apoligize to you cinci and HFD that they seemed that way.
Godfather.
My "you" wasn't specifically you, it was the general "you"...make sense????
Not to mention, the OP is an idiot for posting this stupid thread anyhow. There is way too much hatred thrown at Christians and Christianity and I would certainly stand up for their right to believe what they want. It's when they try to push their beliefs into my personal life that I have a BIG problem.
ummm I just posted on thread called Christian Republicans but as you wish cinci.
btw I didn't entend for my words to be hurtful I apoligize to you cinci and HFD that they seemed that way.
Godfather.
My "you" wasn't specifically you, it was the general "you"...make sense????
Not to mention, the OP is an idiot for posting this stupid thread anyhow. There is way too much hatred thrown at Christians and Christianity and I would certainly stand up for their right to believe what they want. It's when they try to push their beliefs into my personal life that I have a BIG problem.
cool, I don't try and push my beliefs..I know I defend them but anyway I understand your post it makes fine sense no worries here.
ummm I just posted on thread called Christian Republicans but as you wish cinci.
btw I didn't entend for my words to be hurtful I apoligize to you cinci and HFD that they seemed that way.
are you saying that food stamps and wic are not timely or efficient? people SURVIVE BECAUSE of those programs when they otherwise might not. and yes, forced giving breeds resentment....to the selfish who resent giving... which is exactly what we would have if we did not have government intervention in the hunger issue. to normal people who care about others they are not nearly as resentful. just look at the republican controlled house right now. they are wanting to cut food aid to the needy. they are wanting to repeal the affordable care act that benefits the needy. if you withold money for food AND health insurance and access to medical care, those people are gonna die. it does not take a scientist to figure that out, and it doesn't take a person of faith to figure it out.
the government is involved because there are not enough good samaritans who want to donate money for food for the poor. people bitch that their taxes are high, so if their taxes are cut, i will bet my house that >75% of those people getting money back will not help the needy with that money. there are not enough christians out there to cover everyone in this country that needs food assistance. if the public can not play jesus, it is up to the only entity with the coffers to do so. the government must play jesus in that scenario.
We've developed a fine line between entitlement & need. ENTITLEMENT should be very very very far from NEED. No matter the case, if the government removes these programs, people are going to go into survival mode and I hope that's when we become more Jesus-like.
However, there's more to social programs than welfare checks and food stamps. Public transportation, Brain Injury Rehabilitation, and other programs of the sort are developed to promote independence and eventually become more integrated into society.
I can't speak for the people who have learned that taking advantage is a way of life. But not everyone is like that...
Pittsburgh 2003/Pittsburgh 2006/Outside Lands 2009/Bridge School 2010/Pittsburgh 2013
those charities are wonderful, but they are not equipped to feed the needy on a massive scale. the government is the only organization that is big enough to do that and do it timely and efficiently. your views on government will never allow you to concede that point. i get that.
yep. That definitely clouds my opinion on the matter. But I don't believe that government intervention is either timely or efficient. So I suppose it is the binoculars you view it through that allow you to come to conclusions about what is best...I don't think forced giving is the best thing to do...it breeds resentment...
I do think the red cross operates pretty well, although they could obviously do a better job as well...
If we all thought locally when it comes to hunger we would be in a better way in general. That doesn't change the fact that a different philosophy on where giving should come from doesn't mean that republican voters are somehow less Christian because of it...
Again, I don't have a horse in the race, but if people who aren't muslim are going to come on here and defend muslims when they are unjustly stereotyped, they shouldn't be surprised when someone who isn't Christian comes to the defense of Christians. Neither should be negatively stereotyped IMO...
are you saying that food stamps and wic are not timely or efficient? people SURVIVE BECAUSE of those programs when they otherwise might not. and yes, forced giving breeds resentment....to the selfish who resent giving... which is exactly what we would have if we did not have government intervention in the hunger issue. to normal people who care about others they are not nearly as resentful. just look at the republican controlled house right now. they are wanting to cut food aid to the needy. they are wanting to repeal the affordable care act that benefits the needy. if you withold money for food AND health insurance and access to medical care, those people are gonna die. it does not take a scientist to figure that out, and it doesn't take a person of faith to figure it out.
the government is involved because there are not enough good samaritans who want to donate money for food for the poor. people bitch that their taxes are high, so if their taxes are cut, i will bet my house that >75% of those people getting money back will not help the needy with that money. there are not enough christians out there to cover everyone in this country that needs food assistance. if the public can not play jesus, it is up to the only entity with the coffers to do so. the government must play jesus in that scenario.
Yes, I am saying that food stamps and wic are not efficient or timely in the least. Tell me the application process for it is timely and efficient, tell me that making 14400 is somehow more needy than someone who makes 14401...This isn't an opinion on the efficiency of gov't from the outside looking in...you need to remember that Gimmie. I work in public health...I see the inefficiency all the time, in every way, lots of my opinions about gov't have changed because of the work I have done over the last 6-7 years. I used to believe in gov't, believe they were there to help...but this isn't a discussion about the efficiency of gov't. As you know I can go on and on about that we won't agree. The government has some inherent advantages over charitable groups, but that doesn't mean they are better with the money and donations they get.
I don't hate giving and I am not selfish in the least. I don't think the programs should exist like they do. Seems like one cannot even talk about exploring another way of doing things, lest I be labeled insensitive to the needs of the poor...
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
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If that doesn't appeal there's always the notion that great atheist, Kurt Vonnegut Jr., encouraged: be considerate.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I think it all boils down to "freedom of choice" what choices have we made and what are the consiquinces for the choices we have made and who will affect besides ourselfs and why do we blame Jesus for the choices of men ?
Godfather.
What do people blame Jesus for, Godfather? They might not believe in Jesus or they might not care about Jesus one way or the other, but what have they blamed him for? I've never heard this before.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
If I may partake in this back and forth....
Cutting social programs is only going to lead to helplessness for those who need it most. Therefore, relying more on a God to save them from the mess they are in when their only option is to turn to social programs. And leading to a never ending cycle of needing, expecting, and in the end, desperation.
My view comes from Pennsylvania with a governor Corbett who is making it harder and harder for the disabled and others to get the services and help they need. I see a very difficult road forming...At least until the helpless (hopefully) find their own ways.
it IS a gov't philosophy ... to benefit the wealthy ... i'm just not sure where you get the idea that christian republicans don't want big gov't ... we're talking about the hypocrisy of christianity and their front that they want to help people ... when the reality is they want people to conform people ...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Put that on a t-shirt...
the same reason we credit jesus for the accomplishments of man.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
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St. Paul 2014
I don't, but my point is you can't have it both ways.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
yes, they do a wonderfully efficient job
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
this always seems funny to me. people on tv after a natural disaster asking god to help them. shouldn't they be blaming god for the massive tornado/hurricane/tsunami/earthquake/fire that just destroyed their lives?
Same goes for victims of violent crime. i'm asked to pray for the victims. where was god while someones kid was being raped or murdered? i've never received a straight answer from a christian on this.
if god is truly all good, all knowing and all powerful how do they rectify these things?
Nice. Perfect response.
I just provided links to two christian organizations that help people. You want to believe none of them do, I cannot change that...All Canadians hate Christians :P .
I have pointed out many times convenient conservatism is ridiculous. I just don't understand why we get to negatively stereotype Christians. The same people that jump on those for stereotyping muslims as terrorists are the first to jump on the christian stereotype you are describing.
I am not one, don't have a horse in that race, nor do I deny that some want to use the gov't as a morals police...The original post was about cutting social programs was it not? that is what I answered...What is wrong with thinking that a different way to help people might be better? does that somehow make someone less christian? Do social programs make people love each other more? do they teach you to do unto others? no they don't...they give money to people who may or may not deserve it based on criteria down to a specific dollar income...great. But I don't think welfare should exist like it does so obviously I hate poor people...
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
no...it was the ez response and not really an answer the question.
Godfather.
OK, how about this... why do I have to talk about your jesus?
The reason people blame jesus for the choices of men, is because those same "men" invoke jesus as the reason they do everything and how they try to live their lives. If you are going to say you are living by the word of god and telling others to, then expect some criticism when your actions/words are hurtful to others and serve no purpose.
Or how about this...keep your jesus to yourself and I'll keep my opinion about jesus to myself?
no it wasn't. you always say that when you're in a corner.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
good answer
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
ummm I just posted on thread called Christian Republicans but as you wish cinci.
btw I didn't entend for my words to be hurtful I apoligize to you cinci and HFD that they seemed that way.
Godfather.
yep. That definitely clouds my opinion on the matter. But I don't believe that government intervention is either timely or efficient. So I suppose it is the binoculars you view it through that allow you to come to conclusions about what is best...I don't think forced giving is the best thing to do...it breeds resentment...
I do think the red cross operates pretty well, although they could obviously do a better job as well...
If we all thought locally when it comes to hunger we would be in a better way in general. That doesn't change the fact that a different philosophy on where giving should come from doesn't mean that republican voters are somehow less Christian because of it...
Again, I don't have a horse in the race, but if people who aren't muslim are going to come on here and defend muslims when they are unjustly stereotyped, they shouldn't be surprised when someone who isn't Christian comes to the defense of Christians. Neither should be negatively stereotyped IMO...
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
I didn't find anything hurtful.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
My "you" wasn't specifically you, it was the general "you"...make sense????
Not to mention, the OP is an idiot for posting this stupid thread anyhow. There is way too much hatred thrown at Christians and Christianity and I would certainly stand up for their right to believe what they want. It's when they try to push their beliefs into my personal life that I have a BIG problem.
the government is involved because there are not enough good samaritans who want to donate money for food for the poor. people bitch that their taxes are high, so if their taxes are cut, i will bet my house that >75% of those people getting money back will not help the needy with that money. there are not enough christians out there to cover everyone in this country that needs food assistance. if the public can not play jesus, it is up to the only entity with the coffers to do so. the government must play jesus in that scenario.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I don't think it's stupid, i think it's spot on.
http://christianstiredofbeingmisreprese ... gspot.com/
Godfather.
cool !
Godfather.
exactly why this thread is spot on ...
We've developed a fine line between entitlement & need. ENTITLEMENT should be very very very far from NEED. No matter the case, if the government removes these programs, people are going to go into survival mode and I hope that's when we become more Jesus-like.
However, there's more to social programs than welfare checks and food stamps. Public transportation, Brain Injury Rehabilitation, and other programs of the sort are developed to promote independence and eventually become more integrated into society.
I can't speak for the people who have learned that taking advantage is a way of life. But not everyone is like that...
Yes, I am saying that food stamps and wic are not efficient or timely in the least. Tell me the application process for it is timely and efficient, tell me that making 14400 is somehow more needy than someone who makes 14401...This isn't an opinion on the efficiency of gov't from the outside looking in...you need to remember that Gimmie. I work in public health...I see the inefficiency all the time, in every way, lots of my opinions about gov't have changed because of the work I have done over the last 6-7 years. I used to believe in gov't, believe they were there to help...but this isn't a discussion about the efficiency of gov't. As you know I can go on and on about that
I don't hate giving and I am not selfish in the least. I don't think the programs should exist like they do. Seems like one cannot even talk about exploring another way of doing things, lest I be labeled insensitive to the needs of the poor...
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan