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  • CH156378CH156378 Posts: 1,539
    edited July 2012
    :P
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    :corn:
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
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    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    I'm neither Republican nor Democrat...and I do respect the reasonable debates / arguments that take place here on a regular basis...but it seems to me as if posts like this (which from what I've seen, typically take jabs at the conservative side) do nothing to foster constructive discussion.

    There's ridiculousness all over the place, but I don't see near as much anti-liberalism as I do the opposite (and I get it, many of the folks here tend to be more liberal than not).

    This isn't a personal dig at you, davidtrios...just trying to understand the point.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    i think in essence it is a completely fair question to ask those who claim to worship jesus and have jesus act through them how they can do things counter to what jesus would have done. it strikes at the very core duality of elected officials who claim to be"christians" in our government. they are christish on sunday in front of the meet the press cameras, but not in their votes.

    normally i would dismiss this and say that it is just election year hyperbole, but unfortunately this say-you-are-christian-yet-act-the-complete-opposite-way has been going on for at least 3 years now...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • marcosmarcos Posts: 2,112
    But Christian Democrats care about the poor, especially the rich ones?
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i think in essence it is a completely fair question to ask those who claim to worship jesus and have jesus act through them how they can do things counter to what jesus would have done. it strikes at the very core duality of elected officials who claim to be"christians" in our government. they are christish on sunday in front of the meet the press cameras, but not in their votes.

    normally i would dismiss this and say that it is just election year hyperbole, but unfortunately this say-you-are-christian-yet-act-the-complete-opposite-way has been going on for at least 3 years now...
    I hear you...I just think there are hypocrites all over, in every group - as well as those who are sincere. I've come to loathe the paint-all/most-with-one-brush mentality.

    (and I do add well more than a grain of salt when listening to ANY politician, regardless of partyline! Such is the nature of that beast...those beasts?)

    (and now I think I'm showing my very own hypocritcal side :mrgreen: )
  • bgivens33bgivens33 Posts: 290
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i think in essence it is a completely fair question to ask those who claim to worship jesus and have jesus act through them how they can do things counter to what jesus would have done. it strikes at the very core duality of elected officials who claim to be"christians" in our government. they are christish on sunday in front of the meet the press cameras, but not in their votes.

    normally i would dismiss this and say that it is just election year hyperbole, but unfortunately this say-you-are-christian-yet-act-the-complete-opposite-way has been going on for at least 3 years now...

    I think the counterpoint to that would be Christians would rather have control over how the less fortunate are taken care of. Taking care of people would best be handled at the local level and where more control over where funds are appropriated can be practiced.

    Here is an article that speaks to that:

    http://www.economist.com/node/988818

    I am not wanting to get into a Mormon vs. Christianity debate, I'm just pointing out that not wanting the government to handle welfare doesn't equate to not wanting welfare to exist.
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    I have to tell you guys about going to mass a couple months ago. I don't go to church at all and am not Catholic, but when I visit my family, I'll go to mass just to keep the peace and ya know, the songs aren't too bad.

    So the sermon starts and instead of it being about a lesson from the gospal reading, it was about the gov't shouldn't be intruding on the Church's rights. And that under freedom of religion, the Catholic Church should absolutely practice by their religious laws and that means to not offer birth control to employees of any Catholic organization. And it went on and on...

    I started looking around and NO ONE was batting an eye. If I had a clear getaway, I would have straight up walked out right then and there. I talked to a sister who lives in the D.C. area who still goes to church and she said that they talked about the same exact thing during her mass.

    All I could think about was that Jesus would be taking care of his fellow sisters and brothers and not restricting or imposing his political beliefs on them. That was the absolute end of my ever going to another mass again. EVER.
  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i think in essence it is a completely fair question to ask those who claim to worship jesus and have jesus act through them how they can do things counter to what jesus would have done. it strikes at the very core duality of elected officials who claim to be"christians" in our government. they are christish on sunday in front of the meet the press cameras, but not in their votes.

    normally i would dismiss this and say that it is just election year hyperbole, but unfortunately this say-you-are-christian-yet-act-the-complete-opposite-way has been going on for at least 3 years now...


    Do you want a politician putting his Christian values before his political values or do you want them to put their political values before there Christian Values? You sort of flip flop on this. Like when it comes to abortion you don’t want them to vote using there Christian values do you?
    Some People expect Christians to be perfect but they are not.
    God gave man free will but is always watching over us, hears our prayers and helps to guide us. He gave us free will but also gave us the "rules" to live by, the Ten Commandments. He gave us Jesus who is our salvation and showed us the right way to live and how to treat others. The choices are ours to make, right or wrong, but we will be held accountable for them.
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    Jeanwah wrote:
    I have to tell you guys about going to mass a couple months ago. I don't go to church at all and am not Catholic, but when I visit my family, I'll go to mass just to keep the peace and ya know, the songs aren't too bad.

    So the sermon starts and instead of it being about a lesson from the gospal reading, it was about the gov't shouldn't be intruding on the Church's rights. And that under freedom of religion, the Catholic Church should absolutely practice by their religious laws and that means to not offer birth control to employees of any Catholic organization. And it went on and on...

    I started looking around and NO ONE was batting an eye. If I had a clear getaway, I would have straight up walked out right then and there. I talked to a sister who lives in the D.C. area who still goes to church and she said that they talked about the same exact thing during her mass.

    All I could think about was that Jesus would be taking care of his fellow sisters and brothers and not restricting or imposing his political beliefs on them. That was the absolute end of my ever going to another mass again. EVER.




    Don’t people have the right to stand up for what they believe in? Why is it so bad or hard to understand that the Catholics are not happy about being forced to provide something that they do not believe in?
    People try to understand …People that believe in God are still just people!
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    hedonist wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i think in essence it is a completely fair question to ask those who claim to worship jesus and have jesus act through them how they can do things counter to what jesus would have done. it strikes at the very core duality of elected officials who claim to be"christians" in our government. they are christish on sunday in front of the meet the press cameras, but not in their votes.

    normally i would dismiss this and say that it is just election year hyperbole, but unfortunately this say-you-are-christian-yet-act-the-complete-opposite-way has been going on for at least 3 years now...
    I hear you...I just think there are hypocrites all over, in every group - as well as those who are sincere. I've come to loathe the paint-all/most-with-one-brush mentality.

    (and I do add well more than a grain of salt when listening to ANY politician, regardless of partyline! Such is the nature of that beast...those beasts?)

    (and now I think I'm showing my very own hypocritcal side :mrgreen: )
    i understand what you are saying, but typically liberals do not run on jesus and they do not vote to disallow things like gay marriage, defund planned parenthood, or end medicare and medicaid, which takes care of the poor, infirmed, and elderly...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    i want a politician to put his money where his mouth is. i do not want them saying how christian they are and then voting against helping people. i do not want to be governed under biblical laws, and i want religion out of all public institutions. if jesus tells you to act as he would act and you vote to end medicare and food stamps, and medicaid, then you are not voting as a christian, you are voting as part of a party line....as a general rule for me, the more someone talks about jesus, the higher standard i hold them to. they sit in judgement of people like me, which they are not supposed to do anyway, so i watch how they vote like a hawk. the more someone talks about jesus, the less likely they get my vote. see santorum...

    it is by issue aerial. when it comes to abortion, they should not use christian beliefs to force those beliefs on other people and they should not use those beliefs to force a woman to carry a baby to term when her own life is in danger. they can practice those beliefs in their own house, but they can not govern like that in the real world. and if you are going to be against using taxes to fund abortion or food stamps, then you better damn well be pro choice, because most aborted fetuses are from people below the poverty line or have no way to provide for that kid. you can not care about the embryo, yet when that kid is out of the womb deny it health care or food stamps if it is a poor child.

    if a candidate runs as a christian i expect them to vote as close to christ's teachings as humanly possible with regard of taking care of the poor. i expect them to be compassionate and be their brothers' keeper. unfortunately these days conservative christians care less and less about being those two things...

    and yes, precisely, jesus told you how to take care of the less fortunate, so why are these current asshats against doing just that?
    aerial wrote:
    Do you want a politician putting his Christian values before his political values or do you want them to put their political values before there Christian Values? You sort of flip flop on this. Like when it comes to abortion you don’t want them to vote using there Christian values do you?
    Some People expect Christians to be perfect but they are not.
    God gave man free will but is always watching over us, hears our prayers and helps to guide us. He gave us free will but also gave us the "rules" to live by, the Ten Commandments. He gave us Jesus who is our salvation and showed us the right way to live and how to treat others. The choices are ours to make, right or wrong, but we will be held accountable for them.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    aerial wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    I have to tell you guys about going to mass a couple months ago. I don't go to church at all and am not Catholic, but when I visit my family, I'll go to mass just to keep the peace and ya know, the songs aren't too bad.

    So the sermon starts and instead of it being about a lesson from the gospal reading, it was about the gov't shouldn't be intruding on the Church's rights. And that under freedom of religion, the Catholic Church should absolutely practice by their religious laws and that means to not offer birth control to employees of any Catholic organization. And it went on and on...

    I started looking around and NO ONE was batting an eye. If I had a clear getaway, I would have straight up walked out right then and there. I talked to a sister who lives in the D.C. area who still goes to church and she said that they talked about the same exact thing during her mass.

    All I could think about was that Jesus would be taking care of his fellow sisters and brothers and not restricting or imposing his political beliefs on them. That was the absolute end of my ever going to another mass again. EVER.




    Don’t people have the right to stand up for what they believe in? Why is it so bad or hard to understand that the Catholics are not happy about being forced to provide something that they do not believe in?
    People try to understand …People that believe in God are still just people!

    Like Gimme already said, if you practice what you preach - which for Catholicism is kindness, doing unto others as you would have them do to you, the practices of Jesus Christ and the 10 Commandments... taking away from others is a direct contradiction. Politicizing the Catholic religion, as well as Separation of Church and State, are going directly against the basic principles of the religion and of the founding principles of this country.
  • Hugh Freaking DillonHugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    I'm probably the last person who you'd expect to take this stance, but..........people who follow Christ aren't just supposed to be "nice" and "help people" all the time. They are supposed, as far as my knowledge base goes, perpetuate the belief that the Christian vision is bigger than any one person. As in, abortion is a crime against god even if it puts the mother in danger. God chooses who lives or dies, not man. If God chooses the woman to die and the child to live, they are supposed to accept that.

    a Christian is not a Christian if they only "practice" at home and don't spread the message of God to everyone that they can. So being a politician who is a Christian might see it his duty to do just that in politics-he might even believe it's God's plan for him to be there be a Christian politician.

    I personally disagree, since I am agnostic. I don't believe anyone is put anywhere for any type of destiny. But just because Christians may not always appear to have their fellow man's best interests at heart, it's probably because god comes first.

    And christians, as arial said, are also human.
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  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    When any person designates themselves as something, why shouldn't we hold them to whatever standard there-after? If you call yourself a voter, there's no affiliation. If you call yourself a Christian, you appoint designation and expectation to yourself that you would carry on the beliefs and philosophies of that designation. So perhaps, don't characterize yourself and then there won't be any expectation or let down when you don't follow through? Just a thought.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,190
    FiveB247x wrote:
    When any person designates themselves as something, why shouldn't we hold them to whatever standard there-after? If you call yourself a voter, there's no affiliation. If you call yourself a Christian, you appoint designation and expectation to yourself that you would carry on the beliefs and philosophies of that designation. So perhaps, don't characterize yourself and then there won't be any expectation or let down when you don't follow through? Just a thought.

    But what does "carry on the beliefs and philosophies of that designation" mean exactly? Each individual has their own definition of what a Christian is and what a Christian should do. We might find a consensus textbook like definition of what a Christian is, but those don't really translate to what behaviors a Christian might show.

    The unfortunate thing is that most people associate conservative with being Christian, and vice-versa. It's a bit of a high-jack of Jesus' message by the religious right.
  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    those same people give to charities and work at their local church. They feel that the government fforce is not the most effective way. Why is that impossible to understand?


    But I guess it is just easier to hate them
    that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
    It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
    - Joe Rogan
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    those same people give to charities and work at their local church. They feel that the government fforce is not the most effective way. Why is that impossible to understand?


    But I guess it is just easier to hate them
    who is directing hatred at them?

    if you claim to be something, act like it and wear it. don't say you are for something, ie helping poor, while voting to hurt those people. christ would be offended by these people.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    those same people give to charities and work at their local church. They feel that the government fforce is not the most effective way. Why is that impossible to understand?


    But I guess it is just easier to hate them
    who is directing hatred at them?

    if you claim to be something, act like it and wear it. don't say you are for something, ie helping poor, while voting to hurt those people. christ would be offended by these people.


    They are wearing it... they don't believe gov't is the best way to help them. Again, why is that hard to understand?


    I have been here a while, as have you...if you don't think people hate republican christians as a stereotype...I don't know what to tell you


    edit to add links
    http://www.osjspm.org/ catholic charities

    https://www.fmsc.org/donate

    just two, there are plenty more
    that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
    It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
    - Joe Rogan
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    I don't know any Christian Republicans personally but I like to think of people as individuals with
    their own purpose, calling and opinions, not lump them all as one type, one mind.

    Some Republicans think there are many taking horrid advantage of government hand outs,
    terrible fraud, waste, that this is an epidemic and want stricter regulation and yes cuts.
    Many feel once a handout always a handout.

    Did we know our Olympians get nothing, no help from our government?
    They must find private sector money, sponsors to train and get them
    to the olympics. While not the case for many countries.
    This floored me because we have many collecting checks sitting on their asses
    doing nothing for years, not even community service.

    Some Democrats have foundations for the environment where they take unbelievable
    salaries away from exactly what donors think they are giving to,
    not giving to maintain somebody's outlandish lifestyle.
    Some get richer at the expense of mother nature, of us all.
    Did a little research on a fella mentioned here in big regard...
    I was appalled at how much went to his pocket compared to what he was fighting for.

    Churches help the poor in their communities,
    this the individuals often do hands on, face to face in love.
    To me this is the best of the best :D
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    those same people give to charities and work at their local church. They feel that the government fforce is not the most effective way. Why is that impossible to understand?


    But I guess it is just easier to hate them

    i think this is about the hypocrisy of this group ... these people vote against gay marriage, vote to bomb other countries ... that's not very peaceful or loving at all ... they want to prevent contraception from being given to developing countries ... the list goes on and on ...
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,492
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    those same people give to charities and work at their local church. They feel that the government fforce is not the most effective way. Why is that impossible to understand?


    But I guess it is just easier to hate them
    who is directing hatred at them?


    Seriously? Do I have to do a forum search for you?
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  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    polaris_x wrote:
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    those same people give to charities and work at their local church. They feel that the government fforce is not the most effective way. Why is that impossible to understand?


    But I guess it is just easier to hate them

    i think this is about the hypocrisy of this group ... these people vote against gay marriage, vote to bomb other countries ... that's not very peaceful or loving at all ... they want to prevent contraception from being given to developing countries ... the list goes on and on ...


    that wasn't in the OP.

    I am not a christian, agnostic if I had to choose something...I just get sick of all the ragging on them that is done, that is all. Especially when it comes to the stuff in the OP. I think there are many people who miss all the good things christian groups do because of some of the misguided stuff they do...
    that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
    It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
    - Joe Rogan
  • AndyVanSlykeAndyVanSlyke Posts: 183
    polaris_x wrote:
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    those same people give to charities and work at their local church. They feel that the government fforce is not the most effective way. Why is that impossible to understand?


    But I guess it is just easier to hate them

    i think this is about the hypocrisy of this group ... these people vote against gay marriage, vote to bomb other countries ... that's not very peaceful or loving at all ... they want to prevent contraception from being given to developing countries ... the list goes on and on ...


    It makes me nervous when religious individuals use religion as the "problem solving strategy" as opposed to taking what the book says and making conscious decisions. Praying to a higher power, reading from the book, can inspire you to make a better choice.

    Religions can get a bit crazy when they wait for Jesus to provide the answer AND action without thinking/acting for themselves.

    As Ned Flanders' beatnik dad once said, "We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas"
    Pittsburgh 2003/Pittsburgh 2006/Outside Lands 2009/Bridge School 2010/Pittsburgh 2013
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    AndyVanSlyke wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    those same people give to charities and work at their local church. They feel that the government fforce is not the most effective way. Why is that impossible to understand?


    But I guess it is just easier to hate them

    i think this is about the hypocrisy of this group ... these people vote against gay marriage, vote to bomb other countries ... that's not very peaceful or loving at all ... they want to prevent contraception from being given to developing countries ... the list goes on and on ...


    It makes me nervous when religious individuals use religion as the "problem solving strategy" as opposed to taking what the book says and making conscious decisions. Praying to a higher power, reading from the book, can inspire you to make a better choice.

    Religions can get a bit crazy when they wait for Jesus to provide the answer AND action without thinking/acting for themselves.

    As Ned Flanders' beatnik dad once said, "We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas"
    kind of like the muslims ? or the scintologist's ? or the very people that believe them selfs to be better or smarter than the rest ? everybody has to blame something on somebody that just human nature.

    Godfather.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    amd when there is nobody left to blame peple blame Jesus or God..go figure. :lol:

    Godfather.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    that wasn't in the OP.

    I am not a christian, agnostic if I had to choose something...I just get sick of all the ragging on them that is done, that is all. Especially when it comes to the stuff in the OP. I think there are many people who miss all the good things christian groups do because of some of the misguided stuff they do...

    but EVERYONE does good things ... christians don't have a monopoly on it ... why give them out for something that every race, religion, group does? ...

    as for the OP ... your christian republicans aren't libertarians who believe in small gov't ... no, they vote for guys who expand gov't ... they vote for guys who want to cut social programs ... they vote for guys who create the disparity in wealth you see so prominent now ...
  • AndyVanSlykeAndyVanSlyke Posts: 183
    Godfather. wrote:

    everybody has to blame something on somebody that just human nature.

    :roll: Yep, It definitely makes things easier. But it shouldn't stop there, right? I guess after blaming God/Jesus/Allah/Jerry Garcia, a choice needs to be made....i guess that's where politics come in (or don't)
    Pittsburgh 2003/Pittsburgh 2006/Outside Lands 2009/Bridge School 2010/Pittsburgh 2013
  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    polaris_x wrote:
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    that wasn't in the OP.

    I am not a christian, agnostic if I had to choose something...I just get sick of all the ragging on them that is done, that is all. Especially when it comes to the stuff in the OP. I think there are many people who miss all the good things christian groups do because of some of the misguided stuff they do...

    but EVERYONE does good things ... christians don't have a monopoly on it ... why give them out for something that every race, religion, group does? ...

    as for the OP ... your christian republicans aren't libertarians who believe in small gov't ... no, they vote for guys who expand gov't ... they vote for guys who want to cut social programs ... they vote for guys who create the disparity in wealth you see so prominent now ...


    never said they had a monopoly on it. I get it, you aren't willing to see the votes on cutting social programs as a gov't philosophy...it has to be because they hate and want to punish the poor. I simply pointed out that is a ridiculously narrow view.
    that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
    It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
    - Joe Rogan
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