Christian Republicans

Cosmo

cincybearcat wrote:

Not to mention, the OP is an idiot for posting this stupid thread anyhow. There is way too much hatred thrown at Christians and Christianity and I would certainly stand up for their right to believe what they want. It's when they try to push their beliefs into my personal life that I have a BIG problem.

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I'm coming from the same place... people can have their own personal beliefs... just don't try to apply them to me. And especially, don't try putting their values into legislation that Cincy and I are forced to adhere to. We have our own set of morals and values and are pretty content with them... thank you.

mikepegg44

Cosmo wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Not to mention, the OP is an idiot for posting this stupid thread anyhow. There is way too much hatred thrown at Christians and Christianity and I would certainly stand up for their right to believe what they want. It's when they try to push their beliefs into my personal life that I have a BIG problem.

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I'm coming from the same place... people can have their own personal beliefs... just don't try to apply them to me. And especially, don't try putting their values into legislation that Cincy and I are forced to adhere to. We have our own set of morals and values and are pretty content with them... thank you.

Go Beavers

mikepegg44 wrote:

Yes, I am saying that food stamps and wic are not efficient or timely in the least. Tell me the application process for it is timely and efficient, tell me that making 14400 is somehow more needy than someone who makes 14401...This isn't an opinion on the efficiency of gov't from the outside looking in...you need to remember that Gimmie. I work in public health...I see the inefficiency all the time, in every way, lots of my opinions about gov't have changed because of the work I have done over the last 6-7 years. I used to believe in gov't, believe they were there to help...but this isn't a discussion about the efficiency of gov't. As you know I can go on and on about that we won't agree. The government has some inherent advantages over charitable groups, but that doesn't mean they are better with the money and donations they get.
I don't hate giving and I am not selfish in the least. I don't think the programs should exist like they do. Seems like one cannot even talk about exploring another way of doing things, lest I be labeled insensitive to the needs of the poor...

I suppose it can depend on how you're measuring efficiency. If it's strictly measured by time elapsed from applying for food stamps and then actually getting them, then a food bank or church would win out because my understanding is that you can just show up and get food at the latter. Depending on what state your in, many people can get food stamps in under 4 weeks from application date. My guess is that you may be in one of the state's that does a poor job in this area. As far as administrative costs go, food stamps does pretty well in that area. Church's and charities vary widely in this area, some better than the gov, some worse. With charities, the person is also limited to what food is on hand (not efficient), not allowing for individual dietary needs, and locked into their hours of service (not efficient). There may also be contingencies attached to receiving the food. It's also more difficult for someone in a rural area to access charities.

There's no reason the two can't coexist, though, as both have pros and cons. I'd be careful with drawing conclusions about such a large system that varies across states with your own personal experience.

aerial

All these years they have been taxing us, why has the government no solved the hunger issue yet? This is only one reason I do not want to give the Government any more of my money. They are unqualified for the job.

Cosmo

aerial wrote:

All these years they have been taxing us, why has the government no solved the hunger issue yet? This is only one reason I do not want to give the Government any more of my money. They are unqualified for the job.

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Please... tell me you are not serious. Hunger? Really? YOU... of all people... have HUNGER at the top of your list of 'What The Government Should Do For Me' list? Really?
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Somehow... I don't think so. Mainly because... you seem like... based upon your previously expressed opinons in this forum... well, you make is sound like you really don't give a fuck about poor people and would be fine with them starving to death... you know, the same way Jesus felt about the poor.

aerial

Cosmo wrote:

aerial wrote:

All these years they have been taxing us, why has the government no solved the hunger issue yet? This is only one reason I do not want to give the Government any more of my money. They are unqualified for the job.

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Please... tell me you are not serious. Hunger? Really? YOU... of all people... have HUNGER at the top of your list of 'What The Government Should Do For Me' list? Really?
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Somehow... I don't think so. Mainly because... you seem like... based upon your previously expressed opinons in this forum... well, you make is sound like you really don't give a fuck about poor people and would be fine with them starving to death... you know, the same way Jesus felt about the poor.

This is directed to Gimme. He is saying Republican Christians are cutting funding to feed the poor. I say they (Washington) are unqualified for the job. I don't know where you get I don't care. In fact I don't know what you are talking about...... I give directly to the poor. I see them every day at my job. They come in for the free coffee. I actually talk to these people and get to know them. They have other problems beside food. Example one guy collects cans and his tire blew out on his bike keeping him from being able to collect cans in mass. That’s how he feeds himself. I asked him how much a tire cost then gave him enough to cover it. I like to know were my money is going.

peacefrompaul

brianlux wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

amd when there is nobody left to blame peple blame Jesus or God..go figure.

Godfather.

What do people blame Jesus for, Godfather? They might not believe in Jesus or they might not care about Jesus one way or the other, but what have they blamed him for? I've never heard this before.

Take a look at the life of Maynard James Keenan and his mother. Then listen to the song Judith.

hedonist

peacefrompaul wrote:

brianlux wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

amd when there is nobody left to blame peple blame Jesus or God..go figure.

Godfather.

What do people blame Jesus for, Godfather? They might not believe in Jesus or they might not care about Jesus one way or the other, but what have they blamed him for? I've never heard this before.

Take a look at the life of Maynard James Keenan and his mother. Then listen to the song Judith.

Excellent example, sir.

peacefrompaul

hedonist wrote:

Excellent example, sir.

Thanks!

I suppose we could add his step father into that mix as well.

Cosmo

aerial wrote:

This is directed to Gimme. He is saying Republican Christians are cutting funding to feed the poor. I say they (Washington) are unqualified for the job. I don't know where you get I don't care. In fact I don't know what you are talking about...... I give directly to the poor. I see them every day at my job. They come in for the free coffee. I actually talk to these people and get to know them. They have other problems beside food. Example one guy collects cans and his tire blew out on his bike keeping him from being able to collect cans in mass. That’s how he feeds himself. I asked him how much a tire cost then gave him enough to cover it. I like to know were my money is going.

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Thanx for clarifying it. For awhile there, I thought you were immersed in all of that Tea Party bullshit about 'I, Me and Mine' being at the top of the priority list.
Thanx for remembering that Jesus cared about the poor... much more than He ever cared about money... or even, Himself.

Byrnzie

aerial wrote:

Do you want a politician putting his Christian values before his political values or do you want them to put their political values before there Christian Values?

I'd like them to stop being slippery, lying cocksuckers.

But I know that will never happen. It's part and parcel of what makes them successful politicians. Same with priests.

Byrnzie

mikepegg44 wrote:

those same people give to charities and work at their local church.

Who are these 'people' that you're referring to here? Are you suggesting that every politician gives to charity and works at a church? And let's just say for arguments sake that they do. How does this excuse them being blatant hypocrites?

Byrnzie

Godfather. wrote:

everybody has to blame something on somebody that just human nature.

What does this have to do with the fact that 'Conservative Christians' preach one thing and do the opposite?

Byrnzie

Godfather. wrote:

I think it all boils down to "freedom of choice" what choices have we made and what are the consiquinces for the choices we have made and who will affect besides ourselfs and why do we blame Jesus for the choices of men ?

Who's blaming Jesus here? This thread is about hypocritical politicians. Why are you trying to change the subject?

Byrnzie

ComeToTX wrote:

this always seems funny to me. people on tv after a natural disaster asking god to help them. shouldn't they be blaming god for the massive tornado/hurricane/tsunami/earthquake/fire that just destroyed their lives?

Same goes for victims of violent crime. i'm asked to pray for the victims. where was god while someones kid was being raped or murdered? i've never received a straight answer from a christian on this.

if god is truly all good, all knowing and all powerful how do they rectify these things?

Like this?:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church
On May 14, 2008, two days after the deadly 2008 Sichuan earthquake, [Westboro Baptist Church] WBC issued a press release thanking God for the heavy loss of life in China, and praying "for many more earthquakes to kill many more thousands of impudent and ungrateful Chinese".[56]

On May 29, 2011, the WBC intended to protest in Joplin, Missouri, at the memorial service for the victims of the May 22, 2011, tornado that leveled large portions of that town.

petejm043

Byrnzie wrote:

ComeToTX wrote:

this always seems funny to me. people on tv after a natural disaster asking god to help them. shouldn't they be blaming god for the massive tornado/hurricane/tsunami/earthquake/fire that just destroyed their lives?

Same goes for victims of violent crime. i'm asked to pray for the victims. where was god while someones kid was being raped or murdered? i've never received a straight answer from a christian on this.

if god is truly all good, all knowing and all powerful how do they rectify these things?

Like this?:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church
On May 14, 2008, two days after the deadly 2008 Sichuan earthquake, [Westboro Baptist Church] WBC issued a press release thanking God for the heavy loss of life in China, and praying "for many more earthquakes to kill many more thousands of impudent and ungrateful Chinese".[56]

On May 29, 2011, the WBC intended to protest in Joplin, Missouri, at the memorial service for the victims of the May 22, 2011, tornado that leveled large portions of that town.

Westboro Baptist Church and its members are a bunch of idiots. I personaly beleive that they are a cult and they dont beleive in anything but hate for anyone who don't think like they do.

aerial

Cosmo wrote:

aerial wrote:

This is directed to Gimme. He is saying Republican Christians are cutting funding to feed the poor. I say they (Washington) are unqualified for the job. I don't know where you get I don't care. In fact I don't know what you are talking about...... I give directly to the poor. I see them every day at my job. They come in for the free coffee. I actually talk to these people and get to know them. They have other problems beside food. Example one guy collects cans and his tire blew out on his bike keeping him from being able to collect cans in mass. That’s how he feeds himself. I asked him how much a tire cost then gave him enough to cover it. I like to know were my money is going.

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Thanx for clarifying it. For awhile there, I thought you were immersed in all of that Tea Party bullshit about 'I, Me and Mine' being at the top of the priority list.
Thanx for remembering that Jesus cared about the poor... much more than He ever cared about money... or even, Himself.

I do support the Tea Party Patriots.....Ever heard "Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man how to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime." That is what we the people should do and stop letting the slippery CS politicians be in charge of our money.....

Cosmo

aerial wrote:

I do support the Tea Party Patriots.....Ever heard "Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man how to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime." That is what we the people should do and stop letting the slippery CS politicians be in charge of our money.....

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That's a nice sound bite.
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So... what are the Tea Party people doing to 'Teach a Man to Fish'?
Or... is that someone else's job to do?

Byrnzie

petejm043 wrote:

Westboro Baptist Church and its members are a bunch of idiots. I personaly beleive that they are a cult and they dont beleive in anything but hate for anyone who don't think like they do.

They're just an exaggeration of every other evangelical sect in the U.S.

aerial

Cosmo wrote:

aerial wrote:

I do support the Tea Party Patriots.....Ever heard "Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man how to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime." That is what we the people should do and stop letting the slippery CS politicians be in charge of our money.....

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That's a nice sound bite.
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So... what are the Tea Party people doing to 'Teach a Man to Fish'?
Or... is that someone else's job to do?

Hey I was just letting you know I support them because of the comment you made. But you know a discussion about the Tea Party is a whole other thread.