Not to mention, the OP is an idiot for posting this stupid thread anyhow. There is way too much hatred thrown at Christians and Christianity and I would certainly stand up for their right to believe what they want. It's when they try to push their beliefs into my personal life that I have a BIG problem.
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I'm coming from the same place... people can have their own personal beliefs... just don't try to apply them to me. And especially, don't try putting their values into legislation that Cincy and I are forced to adhere to. We have our own set of morals and values and are pretty content with them... thank you.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Not to mention, the OP is an idiot for posting this stupid thread anyhow. There is way too much hatred thrown at Christians and Christianity and I would certainly stand up for their right to believe what they want. It's when they try to push their beliefs into my personal life that I have a BIG problem.
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I'm coming from the same place... people can have their own personal beliefs... just don't try to apply them to me. And especially, don't try putting their values into legislation that Cincy and I are forced to adhere to. We have our own set of morals and values and are pretty content with them... thank you.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Yes, I am saying that food stamps and wic are not efficient or timely in the least. Tell me the application process for it is timely and efficient, tell me that making 14400 is somehow more needy than someone who makes 14401...This isn't an opinion on the efficiency of gov't from the outside looking in...you need to remember that Gimmie. I work in public health...I see the inefficiency all the time, in every way, lots of my opinions about gov't have changed because of the work I have done over the last 6-7 years. I used to believe in gov't, believe they were there to help...but this isn't a discussion about the efficiency of gov't. As you know I can go on and on about that we won't agree. The government has some inherent advantages over charitable groups, but that doesn't mean they are better with the money and donations they get.
I don't hate giving and I am not selfish in the least. I don't think the programs should exist like they do. Seems like one cannot even talk about exploring another way of doing things, lest I be labeled insensitive to the needs of the poor...
I suppose it can depend on how you're measuring efficiency. If it's strictly measured by time elapsed from applying for food stamps and then actually getting them, then a food bank or church would win out because my understanding is that you can just show up and get food at the latter. Depending on what state your in, many people can get food stamps in under 4 weeks from application date. My guess is that you may be in one of the state's that does a poor job in this area. As far as administrative costs go, food stamps does pretty well in that area. Church's and charities vary widely in this area, some better than the gov, some worse. With charities, the person is also limited to what food is on hand (not efficient), not allowing for individual dietary needs, and locked into their hours of service (not efficient). There may also be contingencies attached to receiving the food. It's also more difficult for someone in a rural area to access charities.
There's no reason the two can't coexist, though, as both have pros and cons. I'd be careful with drawing conclusions about such a large system that varies across states with your own personal experience.
All these years they have been taxing us, why has the government no solved the hunger issue yet? This is only one reason I do not want to give the Government any more of my money. They are unqualified for the job.
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
All these years they have been taxing us, why has the government no solved the hunger issue yet? This is only one reason I do not want to give the Government any more of my money. They are unqualified for the job.
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Please... tell me you are not serious. Hunger? Really? YOU... of all people... have HUNGER at the top of your list of 'What The Government Should Do For Me' list? Really?
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Somehow... I don't think so. Mainly because... you seem like... based upon your previously expressed opinons in this forum... well, you make is sound like you really don't give a fuck about poor people and would be fine with them starving to death... you know, the same way Jesus felt about the poor.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
All these years they have been taxing us, why has the government no solved the hunger issue yet? This is only one reason I do not want to give the Government any more of my money. They are unqualified for the job.
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Please... tell me you are not serious. Hunger? Really? YOU... of all people... have HUNGER at the top of your list of 'What The Government Should Do For Me' list? Really?
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Somehow... I don't think so. Mainly because... you seem like... based upon your previously expressed opinons in this forum... well, you make is sound like you really don't give a fuck about poor people and would be fine with them starving to death... you know, the same way Jesus felt about the poor.
This is directed to Gimme. He is saying Republican Christians are cutting funding to feed the poor. I say they (Washington) are unqualified for the job. I don't know where you get I don't care. In fact I don't know what you are talking about...... I give directly to the poor. I see them every day at my job. They come in for the free coffee. I actually talk to these people and get to know them. They have other problems beside food. Example one guy collects cans and his tire blew out on his bike keeping him from being able to collect cans in mass. That’s how he feeds himself. I asked him how much a tire cost then gave him enough to cover it. I like to know were my money is going.
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
amd when there is nobody left to blame peple blame Jesus or God..go figure.
Godfather.
What do people blame Jesus for, Godfather? They might not believe in Jesus or they might not care about Jesus one way or the other, but what have they blamed him for? I've never heard this before.
Take a look at the life of Maynard James Keenan and his mother. Then listen to the song Judith.
amd when there is nobody left to blame peple blame Jesus or God..go figure.
Godfather.
What do people blame Jesus for, Godfather? They might not believe in Jesus or they might not care about Jesus one way or the other, but what have they blamed him for? I've never heard this before.
Take a look at the life of Maynard James Keenan and his mother. Then listen to the song Judith.
This is directed to Gimme. He is saying Republican Christians are cutting funding to feed the poor. I say they (Washington) are unqualified for the job. I don't know where you get I don't care. In fact I don't know what you are talking about...... I give directly to the poor. I see them every day at my job. They come in for the free coffee. I actually talk to these people and get to know them. They have other problems beside food. Example one guy collects cans and his tire blew out on his bike keeping him from being able to collect cans in mass. That’s how he feeds himself. I asked him how much a tire cost then gave him enough to cover it. I like to know were my money is going.
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Thanx for clarifying it. For awhile there, I thought you were immersed in all of that Tea Party bullshit about 'I, Me and Mine' being at the top of the priority list.
Thanx for remembering that Jesus cared about the poor... much more than He ever cared about money... or even, Himself.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Do you want a politician putting his Christian values before his political values or do you want them to put their political values before there Christian Values?
I'd like them to stop being slippery, lying cocksuckers.
But I know that will never happen. It's part and parcel of what makes them successful politicians. Same with priests.
those same people give to charities and work at their local church.
Who are these 'people' that you're referring to here? Are you suggesting that every politician gives to charity and works at a church? And let's just say for arguments sake that they do. How does this excuse them being blatant hypocrites?
I think it all boils down to "freedom of choice" what choices have we made and what are the consiquinces for the choices we have made and who will affect besides ourselfs and why do we blame Jesus for the choices of men ?
Who's blaming Jesus here? This thread is about hypocritical politicians. Why are you trying to change the subject?
this always seems funny to me. people on tv after a natural disaster asking god to help them. shouldn't they be blaming god for the massive tornado/hurricane/tsunami/earthquake/fire that just destroyed their lives?
Same goes for victims of violent crime. i'm asked to pray for the victims. where was god while someones kid was being raped or murdered? i've never received a straight answer from a christian on this.
if god is truly all good, all knowing and all powerful how do they rectify these things?
Like this?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church
On May 14, 2008, two days after the deadly 2008 Sichuan earthquake, [Westboro Baptist Church] WBC issued a press release thanking God for the heavy loss of life in China, and praying "for many more earthquakes to kill many more thousands of impudent and ungrateful Chinese".[56]
On May 29, 2011, the WBC intended to protest in Joplin, Missouri, at the memorial service for the victims of the May 22, 2011, tornado that leveled large portions of that town.
this always seems funny to me. people on tv after a natural disaster asking god to help them. shouldn't they be blaming god for the massive tornado/hurricane/tsunami/earthquake/fire that just destroyed their lives?
Same goes for victims of violent crime. i'm asked to pray for the victims. where was god while someones kid was being raped or murdered? i've never received a straight answer from a christian on this.
if god is truly all good, all knowing and all powerful how do they rectify these things?
Like this?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church
On May 14, 2008, two days after the deadly 2008 Sichuan earthquake, [Westboro Baptist Church] WBC issued a press release thanking God for the heavy loss of life in China, and praying "for many more earthquakes to kill many more thousands of impudent and ungrateful Chinese".[56]
On May 29, 2011, the WBC intended to protest in Joplin, Missouri, at the memorial service for the victims of the May 22, 2011, tornado that leveled large portions of that town.
Westboro Baptist Church and its members are a bunch of idiots. I personaly beleive that they are a cult and they dont beleive in anything but hate for anyone who don't think like they do.
This is directed to Gimme. He is saying Republican Christians are cutting funding to feed the poor. I say they (Washington) are unqualified for the job. I don't know where you get I don't care. In fact I don't know what you are talking about...... I give directly to the poor. I see them every day at my job. They come in for the free coffee. I actually talk to these people and get to know them. They have other problems beside food. Example one guy collects cans and his tire blew out on his bike keeping him from being able to collect cans in mass. That’s how he feeds himself. I asked him how much a tire cost then gave him enough to cover it. I like to know were my money is going.
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Thanx for clarifying it. For awhile there, I thought you were immersed in all of that Tea Party bullshit about 'I, Me and Mine' being at the top of the priority list.
Thanx for remembering that Jesus cared about the poor... much more than He ever cared about money... or even, Himself.
I do support the Tea Party Patriots.....Ever heard "Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man how to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime." That is what we the people should do and stop letting the slippery CS politicians be in charge of our money.....
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
I do support the Tea Party Patriots.....Ever heard "Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man how to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime." That is what we the people should do and stop letting the slippery CS politicians be in charge of our money.....
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That's a nice sound bite.
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So... what are the Tea Party people doing to 'Teach a Man to Fish'?
Or... is that someone else's job to do?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Westboro Baptist Church and its members are a bunch of idiots. I personaly beleive that they are a cult and they dont beleive in anything but hate for anyone who don't think like they do.
They're just an exaggeration of every other evangelical sect in the U.S.
I do support the Tea Party Patriots.....Ever heard "Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man how to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime." That is what we the people should do and stop letting the slippery CS politicians be in charge of our money.....
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That's a nice sound bite.
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So... what are the Tea Party people doing to 'Teach a Man to Fish'?
Or... is that someone else's job to do?
Hey I was just letting you know I support them because of the comment you made. But you know a discussion about the Tea Party is a whole other thread.
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
All these years they have been taxing us, why has the government no solved the hunger issue yet? This is only one reason I do not want to give the Government any more of my money. They are unqualified for the job.
nothing can solve the "hunger issue". the "hunger issue" is a direct result of our capitalism based system. there are gonna be haves and have nots. it is a moral imperative for the haves to help the have nots, as jesus told us. but sadly that is being threatened by the christian republicans who think it is more righteous to make people fend for themselves rather than helping them with the collective tax revenues....seems as if they think it is sinful to be poor and asking for help.
it is gonna be funny when a camel passes through the eye of a needle while people like paul ryan, romney, santorum, and bachmann et al in this government are waiting to get into heaven...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
This is directed to Gimme. He is saying Republican Christians are cutting funding to feed the poor. I say they (Washington) are unqualified for the job. I don't know where you get I don't care. In fact I don't know what you are talking about...... I give directly to the poor. I see them every day at my job. They come in for the free coffee. I actually talk to these people and get to know them. They have other problems beside food. Example one guy collects cans and his tire blew out on his bike keeping him from being able to collect cans in mass. That’s how he feeds himself. I asked him how much a tire cost then gave him enough to cover it. I like to know were my money is going.
the ARE proposing cutting aid to the poor. if christian republicans were not running on that platform then i would not be posting about it on here.
i get that you don't care because if you do not support helping the poor through the current channels then you do not support helping the poor. the charities can only go so far and only help so many people. the government is much more efficient once people are on the welfare rolls. when has anybody ever heard of the welfare checks not showing up or bouncing? when have people heard about the wic cards not being restocked on time? because it does not happen when the system is allowed to do it's job. you start cutting funding, that is when it all goes to hell.
i am glad that you give to the poor. but a government of a country with a billion people in it has the means and the resources at it's disposal to help and infinitely greater number of people than you or i buying one guy a tire. ya know what i am trying to say?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
All these years they have been taxing us, why has the government no solved the hunger issue yet? This is only one reason I do not want to give the Government any more of my money. They are unqualified for the job.
nothing can solve the "hunger issue". the "hunger issue" is a direct result of our capitalism based system. there are gonna be haves and have nots. it is a moral imperative for the haves to help the have nots, as jesus told us. but sadly that is being threatened by the christian republicans who think it is more righteous to make people fend for themselves rather than helping them with the collective tax revenues....seems as if they think it is sinful to be poor and asking for help.
it is gonna be funny when a camel passes through the eye of a needle while people like paul ryan, romney, santorum, and bachmann et al in this government are waiting to get into heaven...
I hear we have a huge deficit. You can't just keep taking from the workers that do help there selves....the majority of the population is middle class and living pay check to pay check.....take from them and you create more poor people...there has to be another answer....like Help your neighbor. No one has the right to take another s property, be they rich or poor......The USA is not a socialist country....as you know...nor do we want to be.....those people that do should just move some place that they would be happier
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
Hey I was just letting you know I support them because of the comment you made. But you know a discussion about the Tea Party is a whole other thread.
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Okay. Fair enough.
So... what are the YOU doing to 'Teach a Man to Fish'?
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My guess. Nothing. You are probably doing absolutely nothing to solve the problem you are talking about. Well, other than buying an inner tube for a homeless man's bicycle... homeless problem... solved.
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You are probably too busy to train someone to work, right? There SHOULD be something bigger that can actually solve a large, complicated, multi-faceted problem... better than some bullshit bumper sticker quip about teaching someone to fish, right? It is a bigger problem than you going out and teaching one person to fish, right? Something bigger... like education... or job trainning. That requires teachers and facilities and supplies (such as fishing poles and nylon wire and hooks and bait and a boat...). Doesn't all that shit cost money?
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But... you don't want to pay for it... so, who is going to do all of this... FOR FREE?
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Answer: NOBODY.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Hey I was just letting you know I support them because of the comment you made. But you know a discussion about the Tea Party is a whole other thread.
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Okay. Fair enough.
So... what are the YOU doing to 'Teach a Man to Fish'?
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My guess. Nothing. You are probably doing absolutely nothing to solve the problem you are talking about. Well, other than buying an inner tube for a homeless man's bicycle... homeless problem... solved.
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You are probably too busy to train someone to work, right? There SHOULD be something bigger that can actually solve a large, complicated, multi-faceted problem... better than some bullshit bumper sticker quip about teaching someone to fish, right? It is a bigger problem than you going out and teaching one person to fish, right? Something bigger... like education... or job trainning. That requires teachers and facilities and supplies (such as fishing poles and nylon wire and hooks and bait and a boat...). Doesn't all that shit cost money?
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But... you don't want to pay for it... so, who is going to do all of this... FOR FREE?
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Answer: NOBODY.
I was using that as an example. I am not so self righteous to sit here and list all that I have done. I do know there are other people that also help people in need. As Gimme says you can only go so far to help and that goes for the government also...because WE DO NOT have the money.....maybe we could filter out the able body people that are sucking up the resources and give to the ones that can not work. Maybe make the food stamp recipients be a little more thrifty as I see them purchasing lobsters at $25 a pop (just one example) with those food stamps. I work and I can"t afford lobster. So damn if I want to give my money to someone who is taking advantage of the freebies they get. We all are not equal on this earth nor do I believe it was meant to be that way. Such is life.
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
the welfare system in Canada is a fucking joke. I see unemployed sluts with 6 kids playing with a fucking iPhone and feeding their obese 5 year old (who is in a STROLLER) cheetos and orange crush for fucking breakfast.
I propose a new welfare system: NO MONEY. Just vouchers. Vouchers that can only be used for certain things. Food. Clothing. No alcohol. No cigarettes. No cell phones. And of course, with no money, means no street drugs.
Add options for job training and/or working and/or education if they are willing to do it.
Humiliating? NOPE. They should be grateful the government/taxpayer is willing to give them something for doing NOTHING. I see people standing on the side of the road begging for money from stopped motorists with better clothes than ME. FUCK THAT.
Make it so it's not so goddamn cushy to stay on welfare. The ones who don't abuse it won't care. And the ones who do just might buck up and go out and get a goddamn job.
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I hear we have a huge deficit. You can't just keep taking from the workers that do help there selves....the majority of the population is middle class and living pay check to pay check.....take from them and you create more poor people...there has to be another answer....like Help your neighbor. No one has the right to take another s property, be they rich or poor......The USA is not a socialist country....as you know...nor do we want to be.....those people that do should just move some place that they would be happier
Who said anything about taking from the workers or the middle class? Obama's budget stimulus plans were aimed at helping the working and middle classes by not renewing Bush tax breaks for the ultra-rich.
The vote to advance the bill was 50 to 50. Democrats needed 60 votes to overcome a Republican filibuster.
This time, the bill was narrowed to provide $35 billion to state and local governments to prevent layoffs of teachers, police officers and firefighters. To offset the cost, the bill would impose a surtax of 0.5 percent, starting in 2013, on income in excess of $1 million.
'Republicans in the Senate Thursday dealt President Barack Obama the third in a string of defeats on his stimulus-style jobs agenda, blocking a $60 billion measure for building and repairing infrastructure like roads and rail lines.
Supporters of the failed measure said it would have created tens of thousands of construction jobs and lifted the still-struggling economy. But Republicans unanimously opposed it for its tax surcharge on the wealthy..'
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amd when there is nobody left to blame peple blame Jesus or God..go figure.
Godfather.
What do people blame Jesus for, Godfather? They might not believe in Jesus or they might not care about Jesus one way or the other, but what have they blamed him for? I've never heard this before.
Take a look at the life of Maynard James Keenan and his mother. Then listen to the song Judith.
Rock group Tool, wine making... still not sure what this has to do with Godfather's statement- "when there is nobody left to blame, people blame Jesus." Sorry, just not sure what you're referring to.
Back to the original OP quote. Government may be inefficient but I know people who would be in a world of hurt if it weren't for programs that help them be able to eat. Them and their young kids. Even if arguments could be made that government isn't efficient and poor people shouldn't have kids, the fact remains that there will always be government and there will always be the poor and if you're going to profess to be Christian and political then it makes more sense to make the programs more efficient and support planned parenthood- not cut them out and let the poor go hungry.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Hey I was just letting you know I support them because of the comment you made. But you know a discussion about the Tea Party is a whole other thread.
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Okay. Fair enough.
So... what are the YOU doing to 'Teach a Man to Fish'?
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My guess. Nothing. You are probably doing absolutely nothing to solve the problem you are talking about. Well, other than buying an inner tube for a homeless man's bicycle... homeless problem... solved.
...
You are probably too busy to train someone to work, right? There SHOULD be something bigger that can actually solve a large, complicated, multi-faceted problem... better than some bullshit bumper sticker quip about teaching someone to fish, right? It is a bigger problem than you going out and teaching one person to fish, right? Something bigger... like education... or job trainning. That requires teachers and facilities and supplies (such as fishing poles and nylon wire and hooks and bait and a boat...). Doesn't all that shit cost money?
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But... you don't want to pay for it... so, who is going to do all of this... FOR FREE?
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Answer: NOBODY.
I was using that as an example. I am not so self righteous to sit here and list all that I have done. I do know there are other people that also help people in need. As Gimme says you can only go so far to help and that goes for the government also...because WE DO NOT have the money.....maybe we could filter out the able body people that are sucking up the resources and give to the ones that can not work. Maybe make the food stamp recipients be a little more thrifty as I see them purchasing lobsters at $25 a pop (just one example) with those food stamps. I work and I can"t afford lobster. So damn if I want to give my money to someone who is taking advantage of the freebies they get. We all are not equal on this earth nor do I believe it was meant to be that way. Such is life.
Government is not the solution to problems. Even though the intentions of government help is noble in the end it leads to a life of dependency on government programs. I believe that government should be there for the elderly or the disabled. Government should provide a hand along with charities to help individuals and families that have fallen on hard times.
Unfortunately government programs also lead to fraud. For example, food stamp fraud costs the tax payers $750 million a year. In 2010 tax payers lost $60 billion to health care fraud.
As for the homeless…yes there are many who have mental issues or have been caught up with drugs and alcohol. This past May a homeless man in Miami, Ronald Poppo was attacked and his face was bitten by what many of you may recall as the Miami Zombie. Anyhow the point being is the before this brutal attack, Mr. Poppo had been approached several times throughout the many years and was offered help to get off the streets and he refused.
A few years ago the Miami-Dade Homeless Trust did a study and it found that in panhandlers in South Florida received $40 million dollars. Also check out this video from Richmond, VA on panhandlers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seUmRXn_1qY
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I'm coming from the same place... people can have their own personal beliefs... just don't try to apply them to me. And especially, don't try putting their values into legislation that Cincy and I are forced to adhere to. We have our own set of morals and values and are pretty content with them... thank you.
Hail, Hail!!!
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
I suppose it can depend on how you're measuring efficiency. If it's strictly measured by time elapsed from applying for food stamps and then actually getting them, then a food bank or church would win out because my understanding is that you can just show up and get food at the latter. Depending on what state your in, many people can get food stamps in under 4 weeks from application date. My guess is that you may be in one of the state's that does a poor job in this area. As far as administrative costs go, food stamps does pretty well in that area. Church's and charities vary widely in this area, some better than the gov, some worse. With charities, the person is also limited to what food is on hand (not efficient), not allowing for individual dietary needs, and locked into their hours of service (not efficient). There may also be contingencies attached to receiving the food. It's also more difficult for someone in a rural area to access charities.
There's no reason the two can't coexist, though, as both have pros and cons. I'd be careful with drawing conclusions about such a large system that varies across states with your own personal experience.
Please... tell me you are not serious. Hunger? Really? YOU... of all people... have HUNGER at the top of your list of 'What The Government Should Do For Me' list? Really?
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Somehow... I don't think so. Mainly because... you seem like... based upon your previously expressed opinons in this forum... well, you make is sound like you really don't give a fuck about poor people and would be fine with them starving to death... you know, the same way Jesus felt about the poor.
Hail, Hail!!!
This is directed to Gimme. He is saying Republican Christians are cutting funding to feed the poor. I say they (Washington) are unqualified for the job. I don't know where you get I don't care. In fact I don't know what you are talking about...... I give directly to the poor. I see them every day at my job. They come in for the free coffee. I actually talk to these people and get to know them. They have other problems beside food. Example one guy collects cans and his tire blew out on his bike keeping him from being able to collect cans in mass. That’s how he feeds himself. I asked him how much a tire cost then gave him enough to cover it. I like to know were my money is going.
Take a look at the life of Maynard James Keenan and his mother. Then listen to the song Judith.
Thanks!
I suppose we could add his step father into that mix as well.
Thanx for clarifying it. For awhile there, I thought you were immersed in all of that Tea Party bullshit about 'I, Me and Mine' being at the top of the priority list.
Thanx for remembering that Jesus cared about the poor... much more than He ever cared about money... or even, Himself.
Hail, Hail!!!
I'd like them to stop being slippery, lying cocksuckers.
But I know that will never happen. It's part and parcel of what makes them successful politicians. Same with priests.
Who are these 'people' that you're referring to here? Are you suggesting that every politician gives to charity and works at a church? And let's just say for arguments sake that they do. How does this excuse them being blatant hypocrites?
What does this have to do with the fact that 'Conservative Christians' preach one thing and do the opposite?
Who's blaming Jesus here? This thread is about hypocritical politicians. Why are you trying to change the subject?
Like this?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church
On May 14, 2008, two days after the deadly 2008 Sichuan earthquake, [Westboro Baptist Church] WBC issued a press release thanking God for the heavy loss of life in China, and praying "for many more earthquakes to kill many more thousands of impudent and ungrateful Chinese".[56]
On May 29, 2011, the WBC intended to protest in Joplin, Missouri, at the memorial service for the victims of the May 22, 2011, tornado that leveled large portions of that town.
Westboro Baptist Church and its members are a bunch of idiots. I personaly beleive that they are a cult and they dont beleive in anything but hate for anyone who don't think like they do.
That's a nice sound bite.
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So... what are the Tea Party people doing to 'Teach a Man to Fish'?
Or... is that someone else's job to do?
Hail, Hail!!!
They're just an exaggeration of every other evangelical sect in the U.S.
Hey I was just letting you know I support them because of the comment you made. But you know a discussion about the Tea Party is a whole other thread.
it is gonna be funny when a camel passes through the eye of a needle while people like paul ryan, romney, santorum, and bachmann et al in this government are waiting to get into heaven...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
i get that you don't care because if you do not support helping the poor through the current channels then you do not support helping the poor. the charities can only go so far and only help so many people. the government is much more efficient once people are on the welfare rolls. when has anybody ever heard of the welfare checks not showing up or bouncing? when have people heard about the wic cards not being restocked on time? because it does not happen when the system is allowed to do it's job. you start cutting funding, that is when it all goes to hell.
i am glad that you give to the poor. but a government of a country with a billion people in it has the means and the resources at it's disposal to help and infinitely greater number of people than you or i buying one guy a tire. ya know what i am trying to say?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I hear we have a huge deficit. You can't just keep taking from the workers that do help there selves....the majority of the population is middle class and living pay check to pay check.....take from them and you create more poor people...there has to be another answer....like Help your neighbor. No one has the right to take another s property, be they rich or poor......The USA is not a socialist country....as you know...nor do we want to be.....those people that do should just move some place that they would be happier
Okay. Fair enough.
So... what are the YOU doing to 'Teach a Man to Fish'?
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My guess. Nothing. You are probably doing absolutely nothing to solve the problem you are talking about. Well, other than buying an inner tube for a homeless man's bicycle... homeless problem... solved.
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You are probably too busy to train someone to work, right? There SHOULD be something bigger that can actually solve a large, complicated, multi-faceted problem... better than some bullshit bumper sticker quip about teaching someone to fish, right? It is a bigger problem than you going out and teaching one person to fish, right? Something bigger... like education... or job trainning. That requires teachers and facilities and supplies (such as fishing poles and nylon wire and hooks and bait and a boat...). Doesn't all that shit cost money?
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But... you don't want to pay for it... so, who is going to do all of this... FOR FREE?
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Answer: NOBODY.
Hail, Hail!!!
I was using that as an example. I am not so self righteous to sit here and list all that I have done. I do know there are other people that also help people in need. As Gimme says you can only go so far to help and that goes for the government also...because WE DO NOT have the money.....maybe we could filter out the able body people that are sucking up the resources and give to the ones that can not work. Maybe make the food stamp recipients be a little more thrifty as I see them purchasing lobsters at $25 a pop (just one example) with those food stamps. I work and I can"t afford lobster. So damn if I want to give my money to someone who is taking advantage of the freebies they get. We all are not equal on this earth nor do I believe it was meant to be that way. Such is life.
I propose a new welfare system: NO MONEY. Just vouchers. Vouchers that can only be used for certain things. Food. Clothing. No alcohol. No cigarettes. No cell phones. And of course, with no money, means no street drugs.
Add options for job training and/or working and/or education if they are willing to do it.
Humiliating? NOPE. They should be grateful the government/taxpayer is willing to give them something for doing NOTHING. I see people standing on the side of the road begging for money from stopped motorists with better clothes than ME. FUCK THAT.
Make it so it's not so goddamn cushy to stay on welfare. The ones who don't abuse it won't care. And the ones who do just might buck up and go out and get a goddamn job.
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Who said anything about taking from the workers or the middle class? Obama's budget stimulus plans were aimed at helping the working and middle classes by not renewing Bush tax breaks for the ultra-rich.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/21/us/po ... emeal.html
For the second time in 10 days, the Senate on Thursday rejected Democratic efforts to take up a jobs bill championed by President Obama.
The vote to advance the bill was 50 to 50. Democrats needed 60 votes to overcome a Republican filibuster.
This time, the bill was narrowed to provide $35 billion to state and local governments to prevent layoffs of teachers, police officers and firefighters. To offset the cost, the bill would impose a surtax of 0.5 percent, starting in 2013, on income in excess of $1 million.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/0 ... 74539.html
'Republicans in the Senate Thursday dealt President Barack Obama the third in a string of defeats on his stimulus-style jobs agenda, blocking a $60 billion measure for building and repairing infrastructure like roads and rail lines.
Supporters of the failed measure said it would have created tens of thousands of construction jobs and lifted the still-struggling economy. But Republicans unanimously opposed it for its tax surcharge on the wealthy..'
Back to the original OP quote. Government may be inefficient but I know people who would be in a world of hurt if it weren't for programs that help them be able to eat. Them and their young kids. Even if arguments could be made that government isn't efficient and poor people shouldn't have kids, the fact remains that there will always be government and there will always be the poor and if you're going to profess to be Christian and political then it makes more sense to make the programs more efficient and support planned parenthood- not cut them out and let the poor go hungry.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Government is not the solution to problems. Even though the intentions of government help is noble in the end it leads to a life of dependency on government programs. I believe that government should be there for the elderly or the disabled. Government should provide a hand along with charities to help individuals and families that have fallen on hard times.
Unfortunately government programs also lead to fraud. For example, food stamp fraud costs the tax payers $750 million a year. In 2010 tax payers lost $60 billion to health care fraud.
As for the homeless…yes there are many who have mental issues or have been caught up with drugs and alcohol. This past May a homeless man in Miami, Ronald Poppo was attacked and his face was bitten by what many of you may recall as the Miami Zombie. Anyhow the point being is the before this brutal attack, Mr. Poppo had been approached several times throughout the many years and was offered help to get off the streets and he refused.
A few years ago the Miami-Dade Homeless Trust did a study and it found that in panhandlers in South Florida received $40 million dollars. Also check out this video from Richmond, VA on panhandlers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seUmRXn_1qY